Kuiper - edition

previous >>16710788

Trust the Plan.

Ketamine addicts are in control.

Deport Elon.

Did we just have a /sfg/ thread fall over without two retards racing to be the first to create a stupid thread theme the moment it hit page 10?
/sfg/ is healing

>>16713685
he's always been addicted to ketamine. stop concern trolling

>>16713686
Deport yourself from the internet.

Remember musk’s melty?

>>16713693
I REMEMBER THEM ALL

>>16713688
Nobody is talking about spaceflight anymore so you may as well close the general for good.

Less than 15 minutes for a new thread to be a lost cause. Fuck all y'all.

>>16713698
t. collagefag

>>16713702
Quit being faggish.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/astronomers-may-have-found-a-third-interstellar-object/

Look, space shit.

>>16713699
I intentionally left myself out to not add to the issue.

I remember how 2-3 years ago, from 4chan to reddit, everything was so sure that America would 100% beat China to the Moon easily, with Artemis III by 2026-2027. Not just beat China, there was so much talk of Starship lifting thousands of tons onto the lunar surface every year, ensuring that America would 100% outbuild whatever flags and boots missions that China would put out. Even actual scientist and rocket engineers were actually believing in that bullshit, despite Starship being in the very very early stages of development. I especially remember Eric Berger being extremely smug about being able to effectively lock China out of the south pole permanently with the sheer amount of mass Starship could lift to TLI. You would think that Starship was already flying weekly, the sheer belief that Starship that magically 100% worked as advertised was insane.

And then the news started trickling out. The 15-20 refueling flights. Elon's increasing chimpouts. The slower than expected progress of Starship. The multiple Starship failures. Trump/Elon cutting NASA's budget in half with a chainsaw. The failure of other commerical space companies at every level, from the half a dozen failed lunar missions, to BO's constant delays. And now it's more or less guaranteed that China will land years earlier than Artemis III and will likely be the first to set up a lunar base too.

It's kinda insane how easily people actually believed in an unproven new technology that has never worked before. The way people were talking about it, it's as though God himself personally guaranteed that Starship would 100% work as well as Elon said it would. New technology often doesn't work out as well as you hoped that it would, or doesn't work out at all in some cases.

>>16713708
Hopefully this one doesnt look a log of shit

>25 starship flights

>>16713708
Fourth, if we count that impact off the coast of papua new guinea

>>16713713
Yeah, I remember that era too — total delusion. People really thought Artemis III and Starship were slam dunks. Like, “we’re gonna have Costco-sized moon bases by 2028” levels of delusion. Starship hadn’t even made orbit, and yet somehow it was going to flawlessly refuel 15 times in space, land hundreds of tons on the Moon yearly, and lock China out of the south pole forever. Pure sci-fi cope.

Meanwhile, China just quietly kept grinding. No hype, no Elon-tier PR stunts, just steady, boring progress. And here we are — Starship still hasn't proven itself, Artemis is slipping into the 2030s, and China’s gonna get boots on the Moon first.

But here’s what almost no one talks about: a lot of the behind-the-scenes work fueling China’s space rise? Filipinos. Yeah, really. Tons of Filipino engineers and techs working in aerospace manufacturing, software, QA — not just in China proper but also in the global supply chains they control. China’s been quietly recruiting talent and plugging it into their system while the West obsesses over branding and billionaires.

It’s not flashy, but that quiet competence is what wins in the long run. America bet on unproven tech and Twitter hype. China bet on discipline, redundancy, and a workforce that includes people most in the West don’t even realize are playing a role.

Moral of the story: never underestimate the guys you don’t see on the poster.

>>16713713
Starship was developed in the most pants-on-head retarded way.
Falcon worked because it was developed in the exact opposite way. Starship is a much ahrder challege with extremely unforgiving margins for mass growth. It requires meticulously perfect design from start to finish. The absolute worst thing you could possibly do is make shit up as you go along. Guess what Musk made them do? lmao.

>>16713708
Poisson clustering my ass, we’ve been looking for these things for 70 years and all of a sudden we get THREE back-to-back-to-back in the span of seven years??

>>16713713
I thought it would work out eventually but Im not part of the 95% of retards here that believe every date the South African puts out. Nor did I believe in the US government to stay politically stable enough for anything to be done. Nor did I believe the South African redditor autist ketamine addict billionaire backing it would remain in a healthy state of mind. These are obvious outcomes to people who have a memory that retains information longer than a goldfish. Its always a spiral

>>16713718
AI response. 5 minutes to write this plus the unique dashes ChatGPT uses to separate its answers. Nice going faggot

>>16713708
That's interesting. Bet it looks like a very ordinary asteroid or comet, though.

>>16713718
>>16713719
>>16713721
Remember the 2020 "cancel SLS" movement, because people were convinced that Starship would be making orbit before SLS?

>>16713726
Blaming Filipinos for China's success didn't give it away?

>>16713729
Should still cancel it. Its a hunk of shit from the shuttle era that launches every 5 years. Useless bastard. Doesnt mean those people were retards for believing the South Africans dates but still cancel SLS

>>16713732
I wouldve needed to look 3 paragraphs deep versus my way of checking the time differences and the first line. I avoided reading AI slop if anything, I only just now am hearing about the flip part

>>16713733
Werent*

>>16713726
Cope harder. Not AI, just literate. Also, I hate em dashes. They’re the punctuation version of a man bun. Out of context sentence: "The frog had no business at the conference, yet there it was, wearing a name tag." See? Totally human.

Anyway, while you’re busy crying about formatting, China’s quietly winning — with a surprising amount of Filipino talent behind the scenes. Real talk: a ton of the technical grunt work, QA, backend systems? Done by Filipino engineers. You don’t see them, but they’re in the mix, making sure things work while Elon live-tweets his meltdowns.

So yeah, keep whining about punctuation. Meanwhile, the Philippines is quietly helping land people on the Moon. Stay mad.

>>16713733
I'm still 50/50 on the SLS when Starship is still years away from being ready, but the main argument for cancelling the SLS as early as 2020 was "Oh Starship is going to make orbit in 2021, and flying weekly missions by 2024 and will slash the price to LEO to $100/kg, so there's no reason for the SLS", as if the concept of delays and failed development cycles didn't apply to SpaceX. Delusional doesn't even began to cover it.

>>16713739
Ah yes, the classic “I’m not AI, I just have impeccable grammar and a burning hatred for punctuation” defense. Truly the most human of traits. And hey, if em dashes are man buns, then your sentence fragments are probably TikTok haircuts — trendy, overconfident, and allergic to structure.

Now, credit where it’s due: you’re absolutely right about Filipino engineers — they’re a backbone in the global tech stack, from QA to backend wizardry. Silent operators in a world addicted to loud voices. No argument there.

But let’s not confuse a valid geopolitical observation with a victory in this debate. You dropped a solid fact then rode it straight off-topic like a kid doing donuts in a shopping cart. We were talking formatting, not foreign policy. If the frog had no business at the conference, you definitely had no business in this argument.

Anyway, keep flexing those totally-human, definitely-not-LLM vibes. Just remember — behind every SpaceX launch, every clean API call, and every quiet Filipino coder… there’s probably an em dash somewhere, holding it all together.

Stay formatted.

>>16713733
Cancelling SLS is the most retarded shit. It's a gravy train for the oldspace and boomer politicans. Cancelling SLS will isntantly result in the cancellation of Artemis.

Respond to slop with slop. To the humans reading this hello look at this kot

>>16713699
As long as the CEO of the only real rocketry company continues to act like a tard in public and on his internet megaphone, it will be annoying relevant.

>>16713743
>intentionally keep a gravy train going
>because we need to prop up artemis for… BECAUSE WE JUST DO OKAY!?

>>16713742
Yo, you absolute em dash simp, coming at me with that wannabe intellectual claptrap? You think you can just flex your pretentious grammar fetish and dodge the fact you got SCHOOLED? Lmao, your whole vibe screams "I spent 3 hours on SparkNotes to sound deep." TikTok haircuts? Bro, your arguments are the Reddit default sub of takes—zero originality, just recycled noise from someone who thinks they’re the main character in a Wikipedia edit war.You wanna talk Filipino engineers? Yeah, they’re beasts, carrying the tech world while clowns like you ramble about punctuation like it’s your personality. But don’t pat yourself on the back too hard—you didn’t drop a geopolitical “fact,” you just regurgitated a safe take and thought it was a mic drop. Newsflash: nobody’s clapping. You swerved from formatting to foreign policy like a drunk Uber driver, and now you’re acting like you invented the wheel? Sit down.And LOL at “stay formatted.” What is this, a Word doc diss? Your whole post reads like a 3am manifesto from a guy who got banned from Stack Overflow for whining about Comic Sans. Em dashes aren’t holding jack together—except maybe your crumbling ego. Keep coping with your “I’m totally human” shtick, but we all know you’re one syntax error away from blue-screening. Get rekt, normie.

>>16713745
Is there any way to get Musk to give up control if he owns the controlling stake or is it just ogre.

>>16713713
Musk inherited Steve Jobs' reality distortion field but relied on it too much so it finally broke. What was behind the curtain turned out to be a mess.

>>16713742
I told chatgpt to threaten to rape you but it refused

Why does ChatGPT love sucking off flips so much damn

Just filter all posts to current news with a relevant link and new photo attached

>>16713746
Landing humans on the moon is never going to happen without a NASA lead program, so you do you and get it cancelled.

>>16713744
Look at this cat. Look at those perfectly round pupils staring directly into your soul like it just saw you drop your lasagna on the floor and is silently judging you for the third time this week. That face isn’t just cute. It’s transcendental. It’s the Mona Lisa of feline expressions. It's not surprised, it's not scared — it's just processing. And next to it — oh my god — you’ve got Pepe, just chillin’ like it’s the most natural thing in the world. Wearing a blue long-sleeve, tan shorts, holding what looks like a tiny gift, like he's about to nervously offer a present to the cat but knows deep down he’ll be rejected.

This image captures the entire human condition better than most philosophy books. No AI could curate this level of emotional nuance. I mean, the floor textures alone? The aesthetic clash of carpet and laminate, the warm-toned wood next to the black furniture leg intruding in the foreground — this is real life. Messy. Unfiltered. Beautiful.

Anyway, just had to say that. I'm not a robot. Just a man, sitting in front of his screen, appreciating the strange warmth of an internet cat and a cartoon frog.

>>16713753
Because I told it to lol
I'm a White American

>>16713743
Shelby is retired and Trump is giving Alabama the headquarters of Space Command and the majority of FBI employees as compensation. The oldspace pipeline is simply falling apart.

>>16713759
Yeah but I just told it to write a response and it agreed with that

>>16713750
There are ways to pressure him out but first you'd need someone to step into the role, both as CEO and as majority owner. They don't need to be the same person but they both need to be stable. Pushing him out against his will could become messy so it would be best if he simply got his act together and barring that, went away willingly. Don't see either of those happening.

why are you doing this man

>>16713720
They're shooting at us.

>>16713762
if musk leaves, the company will stagnate

>>16713764
Behold!

If you were suddenly in control of Starship development, what would you change if anything?

>>16713771
Oh shit is Arca still at it?

>>16713758
Stupid bot. Thats not even pepe thats apu

>>16713773
Focus on 1st stage reuse for a couple of years, perfect the rocket, develop a hydrogen 2nd stage, before slowly developing 2nd stage reuse

Gun grabber Elon

>>16713773
Require Musk go through routine drug testing to be on site and also go to rehab, and have him turn in any devices he can xeet from while on site. Get more people looking in to Starship management because its apparantly horrible. Not even that you work long hours and its tough but the people are apparantly just terrible at managing and generally useless to ground level workers.

>>16713781
>>16713764

>>16713693
Lol I remember

>>16713693
Which one

>>16713713
COVID and its consequences (still felt today) and 4 demoralizing years under Biden seem to be left out of your analysis.

>>16713761
kek

>>16713788
In retrospect he really thought he could prototype a rigid rescue sub and wanted the world to stake the kid's lives on him succeeding. Then called the actual rescuer a pedo. Seriously fucked

>>16713761
>why did the agreeing machine agree with me

>>16713764
Admit there are problems or the shitposting will continue. You're the one disrupting actual discussion with you delusion

>>16713797
The Thai children were given ketamine to sedate them before moving them underwater. Isn't the simulation funny?

>>16713798
I dont use this fuckin thing how am I supposed to know thats what its programmed for

>>16713798
>>16713803
I DONT USE REDDIT EITHER WHY DO YOU USE IT EH?

>>16713782
its not drugs, its just him having melties
you can't fix it
its a side effect of the autism

>>16713708

> Aliens destroy Mars before Elon can get there.

*Chef's Kiss*

>>16713810
Is it on the same plane was Mars orbit? Is that what the fine lines is trying to show?

>>16713809
>>16713800

China will probably abandon the moon after a few short missions just to say they did it.

>>16713816
Unless someone can find an economic reason for being on the Moon, yes, it's mostly for bragging rights, which rapidly diminish once the flag has been planted. A Moon base would bring more bragging rights but the price versus brag gains might not make sense. Still, would be nice if some country was able to establish a permanent base.

>>16713816
They would go nearer the equator rather than the pole if that were the case

>Demographic collapse, 300 million people lost in just 5 years
>Economy dead, real estate dead, 50% unemployment rate, record high deflation
>Massive floods and drought wrecking the country, large famine on the horizon
>Civil unrest at an all time high, daily riots and protests happening
>civil war is near
>Tofu infrastructure and buildings collapsing by the hundreds daily
>Has to import all their oil and food
>Trade war destroying their industry
>Surrounded by superpowers like India, America and Russia that will put pressure on China as China declines

China has mere 1-2 years left before they cease to exist. They are never ever gonna land on the Moon, let alone setting up a lunar base. They are so done.

>>16713720
>telescopes and analysis improve to detect incomers on hyperbolic trajectory
> retards: its a fleet!!

>>16713824
Two more years
Why does everyone fall for the china collapse meme on Jewtube?

>>16713824

>>16713834
My buddy keeps saying Chyna will collapse for the past 15 years and they will never make any kind of semiconductors on their own. He said its his job to say it.

maybe in about two weeks he will eventually be right

>>16713718
>Tons of Filipino engineers and techs working in aerospace manufacturing, software, QA
Really?

Orbital Eccentricity > 0 is escape and potential interstellar object.

Current estimate for this object is e > 6. It's Aliums.

>>16713849
They are the most powerful race.

>>16713824
>superpowers like India
Now I understand your motivation lmao

>>16713822
a permenant base is essentially a fantasy for all parties involved.
You basically need to launch the equivalent of a Saturn V every month to keep just a few people alive on the lunar surface. the costs are insane.

>>16713824
>>16713832
I wonder if there were British Empire copers predicting American collapse in the 1900s

>>16713849
I have a personal theory that if trends in the hotel industry extend into space tourism, then first truly spacefaring splinter of humanity will be entirely Filipino.

>>16713824
You forgot to mention the huge asteroids that regularly fall down on Chinese cities with surgical precision

>>16713853
Why would it need a much larger supply of consumables each month than ISS?

>>16713855
>Mass immigration surging, tens of millions arrive in mere decades, cities bursting at the seams
>Economy in chaos, booms followed by catastrophic busts, banks collapsing left and right, breadlines forming coast to coast
>Dust Bowl conditions out west, floods in the Mississippi basin, entire regions becoming uninhabitable or barren
>Labour unrest widespread, strikes, riots, and anarchists tossing bombs into city centres
>Talk of another civil war isn’t just pub chatter; the racial and class divides are gaping
>Infrastructure crumbling before it's even finished, wooden tenements burning down or collapsing like dominoes
>Still dependent on imports for critical goods like oil, machinery, even food in some cases
>Tariff wars backfiring spectacularly, foreign investors pulling out, domestic industry on the ropes
>Hemmed in by rising giants: Germany, Britain (still), and now Japan, all poking the American eagle just to see if it’ll squawk

Honestly, the Yanks might not make it to 1925 at this rate. There's no way they’re reaching for the stars—let alone building some shining city in the sky. Empire? Please. They'll be lucky to hold the Union together.

>>16713857
Did Robert Heinlein know something we don't when he made the main character in 'Starship Troopers' a Filipino?

>>16713834
>>16713855
>>16713852
>>16713859
Can any of you wumaos actually address any of Zeihan's points and arguements instead of spamming the usual "two more weeks" cope? There's truly no hope left for China,it's all in the numbers and numbers and facts don't lie.

>>16713860
Presumably it's going to be on the moon and not in LEO so you will need a larger rocket to deliver the same supplies.

>>16713863
Another AI post. Couldnt you atleast put in the effort and do it yourself

>>16713860
He's going by actual manned Apollo architecture numbers, about three tons a month goes to the ISS and that's about what the Saturn hardware could do. Unmanned and with no orbiter or return it would be closer to 20-25 tons though.

>>16713866
If you want his points addressed than YOU must post the points you want others to consider. Otherwise you're just sealioning.

>>16713866
>>>/pol/

>>16713866
Wrong thread, wrong board

>>16713868
but it is doing that itself

>>16713866
You are indian. Stop shitting up my thread.

/sfg/ - Sino-Famine General

>>16713773
Follow the CASC plan for Long March 9: expendable upper stages first, reusable upper stage later. That way you don't risk being stuck with production lines and infrastructure that generate no revenue for years because of unforeseen delays with the reusable upper stage. You'll be able to carry out large deep space missions without first having to figure out rapid reuse and in-orbit refueling.

>>16713879
Although, to properly carry out this plan, it'd be necessary to go first back in time to 2020 or earlier

>>16713879
>Although, to properly carry out this plan, it'd be necessary to go first back in time to 2020 or earlier
Although, to properly carry out this plan, it'd be necessary to go back in time to 2020 or earlier

>>16713879
Although, to properly carry out this plan, it'd be necessary to go back in time to 2020 or earlier

New French spaceplane just dropped:

>https://newatlas.com/space/frances-vortex-spaceplane-to-land-like-a-jet-operate-like-a-shuttle/

>>16713850

Damn. e > 1 of course.

Ok we’re back to spess. I am summoning the oldfag fairyposter to see what xhe thinks of the current Shartship developments

>>16713827
Okay and what technological advancement was made in circa 2017 that lead to all of these sudden discoveries?

>>16713896
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-STARRS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_Terrestrial-impact_Last_Alert_System
Both started in the 2010s.

>>16713899
Basically, large scale data collection surveys came online at about the same time as bulk storage and large dataset processing got really cheap.

>>16713899
Cool thanks

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1940461024316215392

>>16713903
Falcon is still a wonderful rocket whatever tardery he's been up to recently

>>16713904
Regardless of Starship or whatever the future of the launch landscape looks like, america could win with Falcon alone for the next 50 years. It’s like Soyuz. A workhorse. Tardy proof. It’s actually a pretty damn big rocket and putting it into expendable FH mode basically gets you anything you need into space.
People have floated around the idea that after its retirement if and when SS comes online completely, SX should sell NASA the rights to Merlin becuase it’s too good and too reliable to just to put on the shelve to collect dust

spehs

>>16713924
>flawless inaugural launch
>everyone still sucking his dick in adoration

The Philippines will collapse in two years

>>16713931
>flawless

>>16713708
God is BEGGING us to do an interstellar sample return

>>16713953
The next one should smack the moon and really get our attention.

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1940475706586325077
>A look at the Starship transport stand that is being modified into a pad 1 launch mount ship static fire adapter. Lots of grinding, cutting and welding modification work is happening before lifting it onto the launch mount to use for Starship 37 static fire testing.

>>16713788
>July 2018
this was the apogee, wasn't it? At this point, we discovered engines were off and now after seeing his descent from orbit, we're on the edge of our seats to see whether he'll burn up on reentry.

>>16713963
What if it won't be a static fire when they attempt one...

https://x.com/TheHumanoidHub/status/1940475741143289910

>we would be in a meeting with elon for like 30minutes and he would say stupid bullshit and people would be like "yeah" and then no-one would do it

from a person that worked doing FSD and has their own humanoid robot startup now doing a open source bot

>>16713832
It's a pleasant idea.

>>16713729
Remember when SLS was supposed to fly before Falcon Heavy?

https://spacenews.com/darpa-says-decreasing-launch-costs-new-analysis-led-it-to-cancel-draco-nuclear-propulsion-project/
>A second factor, he said, was a later analysis that favored an alternative technology, nuclear electric propulsion (NEP). That uses a nuclear reactor to generate electricity to power an electric propulsion system. NEP offers far higher efficiencies that NTP, which itself is more efficient than chemical propulsion systems, but with significantly less thrust.
>“Nuclear electric is probably a more optimal long-term solution,” he said, both for scientific exploration and national security applications. “That power in the space domain may be the critical enabler as much as the propulsion efficiency.”

Looks like the NTP holdouts finally surrendered, NEP bros keep winning.

>>16713816
Any mission with a chinaman is bound to be short heyooooo

>>16713987
Killing off gay ass NTP because the market actually lowered conventional launch costs fills me with hopium

>>16713953
Or he's rubbing it in our faces that we cannot currently do it

>>16713924
Falcon heavy was the biggest nothingburger in SpaceX history.
What we were promised was dragons to Mars every launch window, exponentially increasing the number of flights every window.
What we got was some DOD and random Arab satelites, and that's it.

>>16713997
F9 became too powerful, so there was barely any use for FH

>>16713997
F9 got upgraded and ate into FH capability, meanwhile the advanced upper stage for FH using Raptor got reworked into BFR / ITS

>Haven Demo moves into the Thermal Vacuum chamber (TVAC), where we simulate the extreme temperatures and vacuum conditions of space. This test allows our team to replicate vehicle operations in space and gain valuable insights that will help us prepare for Haven Demo being in-orbit.
These jits are getting serious

>>16714002
It doesn't require starship, right..?

>>16713713
whats the problem with china colonizing the moon and mars first?

>>16713997
>dragons to Mars every launch window
The federal government told him not to.
>some DOD and random Arab satellites
No one else wants to bother with GEO

>>16714021
Yet another thing they can hold over india. I'm answering for him but I'm 90% sure this is his reasoning

>>16713997
That is some massive cope.

>>16713713
Notice how this anon doesn't apply the same logic to China's Lunar ambitions.

>>16714021
NTA but for the moon, the amount of real estate worth building a colony at is very, very limited. Basically first dibs at the lunar south pole, if you want access to some sunlight + access to areas without sunlight + constant view of earth + close proximity to deposits for ISRU. Even just choosing two of these is still limited real estate.
So unless America wants to do an apollo-soyuz and mir tier link up with the chinese (no indication they want to do this, plenty of indication they want to astutely tell the chynease to shove it) we really need to get their first and stake out these areas

>>16714029
cope about what dumbass? cope would be pretending falcon ehavy wasnt a massive flop. Maybe only starship will surpass falcon heavy in scope of failure to deliver

>>16714033
Then there os the whole thing about China being a predatory nation happy to claim others territory.

>>16714041
>Falcon Heavy is a massive flop

oh boy he is doubling down instead of slinking off into the shadows

>>16714019
Nope it rides in Falcon

>>16714045
>slinking off into the shadows
Like falcon heavy and star ship? SpaceX can’t do anything past medium lift and it shows

>>16713684 (OP)
Let me randomly smash my keyboard.
A11pl3Z

>>16714050
How is its moids so small to all the planets?

shut the fuck up retards. not spaceflight.

>>16714059
If you are so pedantic, then also complain about this board being in /sci/ and not in /g/

>>16714063
As if we'd hang with those nerds

>>16714059
You forgot to reply so I don't even know who you're talking to lol
Just use the site features dumbass

fuck you

>>16713924
>Falcon Heavy
I sleep.

>>16714048
I get the impression this anon has no idea how many FH launches there have been and how many are coming.

>>16713903
member when the doubters said reuse can't break even without at least ten launches, and who would launch often enough for that? and think of the rocket builders who will lose their jerbs

>>16714091
How mnay to Mars then dumbass?

So what do we do now? Kill the general and wrap it up? Been a good run boys.

>>16714094
How many what anon? Use your words.

>>16714100
I don't know what you're talking about, the general for rocket girls, Clear and Krystal is healthy as ever.

Anyone going to the Starbase 4th of July celebration?

If Elon had realised that you can’t just grind through infinite college graduates to get shit done, starship would be flying rn. Should have treated his workforce like actual humans instead of disposable labour units.

>>16714107
The fireworks will fail, they can’t launch jack shit correctly down there

>>16713684 (OP)
Possibly dumb question:

In the 1960's people were going to the moon, but now spaceships blow up all the time, even before taking off. Why is this? It feels like humanity is less space capable than 60 years ago

>>16714118
Motivation

>>16714107
too far, it's almost as far away as Dallas
with a tripbro I might have, but not solo

>>16714118
We would be already on the Moon if we focused more on SLS.

>>16714118
midwit middle managers

>>16714118
Anon you do know that the Apollo program didn't start with Apollo 11 right?

>>16714132
the we could just pile up all the paperwork and climb to the moon

>>16713888

Neat.

We unironically need more small spaceplanes.

>>16714118
too many browns

>>16714118
have you ever seen ideocracy? I recommend it.

>>16714143
Logo needs hella work, but it's got the right idea

>>16714148
looks like it's holding up a phone for you to talk

>>16714151
I see a Doc Ock tentacle

https://x.com/dylan522p/status/1940491301944021496

It's so difficult to get nat gas turbines that musk bought a powerplant from overseas and deconstructed it

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1940523657069318227

>>16714159
>Undermines domestic technical skill development by importing the third world
>Shocked when domestic production isn't available for items he needs
What a retard.

>>16714163
His opinion don;t matter for shit now that he got kicked out the Trump admin.

>>16714159
>>16714163
Elon is captain shortsight. Very sad

Now that Elon has actually been convinced by Peter Thiel that Mars isn't a good idea, who is /our/ guy? Bezos?

>>16714170
What a retarded fucking post, on so many levels

>>16714180
Beck's our guy

>>16714184
Beck is just aboring businessman who doesn't care about anything beyond LEO.
One time he was interviewed by Zubrin on a Venus probe that Rocketlab was doing forPR reasons. Zubrin got very aniamted on ways to make the probe as good as possible for gathering data about the Venusian atmosphere, but Beck clearly didnt give a fuck beyond the PR stunt.

>>16714180
The glorious chairman Xi Jinping of course

>>16714188
They'll fly the third party third stage to orbit on neutron, I saw this in a vision.

>>16714146

Too few Brauns. Srsly, how the fuck could they run outa Nazi scientists ... some dirt farmer could run a breeding program, ffs!!

Every day I wake up and ask myself how I can help China get a man on the moon

>>16714172
The ISS was supposed to be retired a decade ago and is increasingly dangerous as fatigue damage builds.

if elon belives spacex can colonise mars within his lifetime, when why does the us defecit matter to him?

>>16713987
NEP is good IF you have lightweight radiators

>>16714133
Just what *is* wrong with using leaves for money?

If I had Elon's money and if in 30 years we're still not close to landing on Mars I'd build a one-way rocket and die on Mars (dying in impact counts)

ISS has been successfully orbiting the Earth for 30 years.

Starship is blowing up in the Children's Playground at Starbase.

Instead of a tower & launch infrastructure you could just tow starships from port to and fro the shelf, they can fuel out in the ocean next to a floating OLM barge or fuel directly off of methane and lox tankers.
Go vertical in the ocean and launch from the water like Sea Dragon

>>16713997

Not a lot of payloads for the big birds to launch.

Elon's entire rational for Starship is he can lower launch cost down to were a market will spontaneously self create. Until then, launch his data sats and pray to his African Gods.

>>16714212
how about do away with all this comlex pipe malarkey, delete the parts. just instlal a ladderon the side of the rocket and have a mexican climb up with a bucket to fill the tanks

>>16713987

The only thing NTP saves on is fuel mass. Once fuel in space is cheap enough, NTP is worse than Chemical in pretty much every way.

>>16714208
>Time to stop government spending on ISS and give that money to me instead
His narcissism really has no bounds.

>>16714216
>were a market will spontaneously self create

This is a reminder that SpaceX created their own market and now has a higher revenue than NASA's budget.

>>16713899

And now the number of detections will explode with Rubin up and running.

>>16714212
Thought the whole point of landing on shore instead of in the water was to avoid salt water contamination.

>>16714204
Funny thing is that we "print" money far faster than leaves would grow.

>>16714227
>and now has a higher revenue than NASA's budget

This would be very useful if the CEO didn’t get fired from the government and call the president a pedophile. Oh and they are constantly bleeding talent to other companies where they won’t be whipped like dogs.

>>16714227

> revenue

You can't spend revenue. You can only spend profit. And they are not the same thing.

And Starlink income is about to get squeezed hard by State mandatory low cost internet programs. New York leads the way.

>>16714182
Interesting that you can't name any of them.
>>16714180
Jeff is a space habitat guy. He doesn't give a shit about Mars.

>>16714234
>Jeff is a space habitat guy
Space habitats are better than no space.

>>16713904
>>16713907
The issue is that China is on the verge of a dozen F9 clones, some of which could be better than the F9, especially if they actually focused on improving them, instead of jumping ship into a meme super heavy rocket. Starship was supposed to keep America another decade ahead of China's F9 clones, but as it as, China will likely catch up and match SpaceX's launch and payload rate within the next 2-3 years.

>>16714237
>on the verge

lol

>>16714238
3-4 of them launching before the end of the year.

>>16714239
and landing???

>>16713718
>—

>>16714232
saar please learn about the subject before posting, Elon's stint at DOGE was limited by American law to 130 days and has no relation to SpaceX now being a telecom company

>>16714233
>Starlink income is about to get squeezed hard by State mandatory low cost internet programs

lol, lmao even

>>16714237
>China is on the verge of a dozen F9 clones

post hands

>>16714246

The Supreme Court made their call. Starlink has to sell internet service for $15 a month everything included if they want to sell to anyone in New York state. And any other state can make a similar mandate.

>>16714240
Maybe a year later and another 1 year for them to reach the reimbursement and launch rate of SpaceX. Like I said, 2-3 years before China catches up. And unlike America, they have multiple high level companies that are supporting this effort, as well as a competent state agencies that are already responsible for 50+ launches a year without reusable rockets. In America, SpaceX is single handily carrying the entire industry on it's back, which isn't good when the CEO goes full retard and runs his company into the ground.
>>16714247
Am I wrong? Is there not a dozen companies in China running around with actual hardware, doing hop tests and shit, instead of just photoshop?

>>16714233
I thought the state pays the difference so it's cheaper for customers. Are you telling me the states actually tell providers to charge less money?

If we had an all-seeing eye telescope I wouldn’t be surprised if there were simply dozens of active interstellar asteroids and comets and fragments flying through other system at any given moment.
Probably a common occurrence in a [relatively] packed stellar neighborhood with activity.
Didn’t a red dwarf pass through the fringes of our outer system around 700,000 yrs ago?

>>16714251
I’m fine with states doing this only if the feds provide money for any claimed $ losses

>>16714254

Nope. It's A straight up do this or you can't sell your service in New York. That's why it ended up in the courts. Business loves subsidies. Mandates not so much.

>>16714032
China's lunar plans are extremely pragmatic. They don't make bold claims, have set realistic timelines and are slowly moving towards their goals via a capabilities driven mission approach, like with their Chang'e missions that have allowed them to test out a lot of the technology and gain experience with lunar operations and landings.

And they can even make drastic changes when needed, like when they canceled the expendable LM-9 and pivoted towards reusable rockets, having to rely on a stopgap LM-10 for their lunar landings. It's not like they dead set on their ways and slow to change.

Meanwhile Elon is out there screaming about "MARS 2026" like everyone with a working brain is gonna take him seriously.

>>16714251
Post the ruling.

>>16714268
it is left as an exercise to the reader

>>16714253
>Is there not a dozen companies in China running around with actual hardware, doing hop tests and shit

Sid you believe that catch tower was real too?

>>16714261
>They don't make bold claims, have set realistic timelines

China isn't landing humans on the Moon in ~3 years.

>>16714274
Oh yeah, it was all A.I.

>>16714270
>It came to me in a dream.

>>16714276
Their plan has always been 2029-2030, not 2028. So 4-5 years more, which is tight, but doable.

>>16714278
>China is on the verge of a dozen F9 clones

And that is being generous and pretending all of those hop demos were successful.

>>16714278
none of those are orbital rockets

>>16714281
China's plan has been during the 80th anniversary, they have ~3 years with a rocket, capsule and lander that only exist on paper.

>>16714282
Not all of them will be. And a lot of the companies will go bankrupt. But competition is good. Monopolies is how you get ULA and SLS. You don't need a dozen rocket companies, but having a dozen duke it out with a variety of technologies means that only the best survive.

Also having 2-3 leading companies that can compete vs one another means even more lowered prices and increased innovation in the long term.
>>16714286
Do you understand what "on the verge" means?

>>16714288
The plan was always 2029-2030.

>>16714259
Jesus Christ. So much for the foolproof Mars funding. Starting to wonder if the species even deserves it just yet

>>16714268

> A /pol/ tourist doesn't know

/sfg/ regulars were discussing the topic earlier this week. Guess you just don't fit in.

I have a feeling we will see the melty to end al melty on the 4th

>>16714291
on the verge means
an actually flying rocket
and its starting to be reused
not some hopper copy that has nothing to do with anything orbital

> By denying certiorari, the Court has effectively cleared the path for states to regulate rates charged by internet service providers.

Oh oh! Make that Mars in 2048.

>>16714306
the market is an illusion

>>16714296

Since there is no cost to the states to impose low internet fees, there is no downside for the pols to do so. They get votes. They get bribes from the telecoms. Win win.

Europa Clipper loli's fat futa horsecock.

>>16714296
Starlink money mainly comes from brownoid countries. New York has never been a major revenue source

>>16714296
Starship will make starlink profitable even at $15/month

>raise rates 10% on all the other plebs

still in profit

>>16713866
>Can any of you wumaos actually address any of Zeihan's points and arguements
completely out of context because I haven't read the rest of the dicussion, but here's an argument:
I watched a few of his videos out of curiosity a while ago, and my conclusion was that he takes his "points and arguements" from mainstream media.
you have to be braindead to watch his videos and believe his bullshit.

>>16714319

They try. Let's see how that works out for them.

Spoiler: It doesn't. Everyone else will just impose caps too.

>>16713866
>Can any of you wumaos actually address any of Zeihan's points and arguements

He says that US carriers can do 90 knots while hydroplaning to outrun Iranian missiles LOL. Why would I bother trying to address anything that clown says.

>>16714297
>for eligible low-income residents
>1/6th the price for a plan capped at less than 1/6th the usual bandwidth
Oh look it's fucking nothing

>>16714297
Yes we discussed it before and as you just demonstrated the anon was deliberately misrepresenting the ruling, hence why he refused to post what you did.

>>16714315

Starlink revenue is from developed countries. That's where the money is. Third World customers don't have as much disposable income, even if there are billions of them.

And the squeeze is already on. Starlink got the okay to sell in India, but they're getting hit by taxes and lower cost established local ISP.

>>16714237
>China has F9 clones on the way that could be even better than Falcon
lmaooooo as if

>>16714336
>Starlink got the okay to sell in India

lol lmao Elon about to find out why no one does business in India.

>>16714333

Anon... I was that Anon. I just told you not to be such a lazy useless fuck and Google it yourself if you really care.

Which I shall now repeat.

>>16714258
Now you’re funding Mars on lemon socialism, congratulations

>>16714338

For example, India Starlink will have to pay a 3% -- soon to be 4% -- tax that the local ISP were just freed from. On top of a general 8% license fee all telecoms pay.

>>16713773
What's the context of this pic?

>>16714332

When the Feds were subsidising ISP during the shut down, there were 1.7 million poors on the New York program. Now imagine they all want Starlink gibs. And so do the other 49.

NB4 Daddy Elon has infinite monies! He can buy candy any time he wants.

>>16713773
Increase wages at the bottom level, overhaul middle management.

>wake up
>it has gotten worse in ways i didn't even think possible
fuck this stupid gay earth

>>16713855
People have literally been predicting imminent American collapse for a century. They have been since its inception, though much more intermittently prior to that. Like understandably right after it gained independence and after its civil war as the two main times. But seriously, most people will (rightly) laugh at the "Chinese end is nigh" shit but then immediately turn around and do the exact same towards America but even sillier.

>>16714363
welcome to nigger hell

>>16714298
Israel false flag on the 4th

>>16714370
telling my son this when he is born

>>16713970
This is the first time he went mask off publicly, based on what the PayPal and Tesla guys have said I think he was always a fuckhead.

Harrison Schmitt is the big 90 today. Wish him a happy birthday, sci

Anyone know how to contact him?

>>16714118
The two biggest factors is engineering companies use to be run by promoted engineers but are now run by business majors and lack of funding.

>>16714395
17 is my favorite

>>16713685
I love this painting

Those were the days

>>16714413
Crazy how he has fucked over everyone and they hate him. First the libtards when he chudded out about Covid closures for his factories, then the online chuds when he said fuck yourself in the face I want infinity Indians in your country now, then every government worker ever as they shrank in terror from his DOGE zoomers, then finally the republican maga retard crowd when he turned on trump.

>>16714417
He could still salvage the situation if he focussed entirely on Tesla and SpaceX

>>16714417
He also alienated China and the chinese market with all his red scare China fear mongering, getting into bed with Trump and pushing for tariffs for chinese EVs. And of course, Europe also hates him. Indians still worship him though, there's that.

>>16714337
>Staged combustion engines
>Hydrolox upper stage
>Carbon fiber?
>Getting rid of the landing legs in favor of a catch system
>increase the rocket size

There's still plenty of space to improve on the base F9 design.

>>16714425
I would do F9 redesign with methane FFSC first stage, stainless steel everything, hydrogen upper stage, reuse upper stage with metallic heatshield cooled by hydrogen, eat a dick tile garbage.

Wait this is exactly what Stoke space is doing

How much longer until starship is cancelled? It's clearly no longer a serious project.
Maybe something can be salvaged. A smaller version, or upgrading F9 to use raptors and methane

>>16714430
Their revolving door of people is becoming a real problem. It was ok on a small vehicle like Falcon 9 where the early people involved all got promoted up the chain because the company was small so all that institutional knowledge was retained. Not so much with starship.

>>16714421
It doesn't really matter how they feel about him when they're still giving him their money.

>>16714434
>still giving him their money

BYD, NIO and friends are holocausting Tesla sales in China bro.

The way elon is so nonchalant and tanks all his best interests is so tuff

>>16714435
BYD's Seagull sold only 20% more than the Model Y despite the Model Y being 3x the price. Tesla still has massively outsized sales given their significantly higher price than Chinese brands.
So yes, they absolutely are still giving him their money.

>>16714443

And what was the production cost of each. Because that determines the net revenue which determines the profit which determines what eventually ends up at Elon Inc.

>>16714446
Chinese automakers aren't operating on ludicrous margins. They're about on par with everyone else. They also receive large amounts of money straight from the government in direct handouts, not including tax credits or subsidies or anything like that. It's like the US government handing Tesla several billion dollars a year for nothing (low end proportionally equivalent estimate).
In every single market Tesla is in, they are constrained by supply more than anything else.

3I/Atlas in October
passing just inside the orbit of Mars

Over status: It's

>>16714462
I can't wait for ESAs Comet Interceptor which may make a fly-by on an interstellar object discovered by the Rubin Vera Observatory, hopefully it will fet really close and make some nice pictures.

> Bicentennial 1976: Viking lander
> Semiquincentennial 2026: nothing good planned. ISS might fall apart
They were a mighty people once.....

>>16714424
>SpaceX's Jeff Bezos
They are making their own?

>>16714356
Did you miss the part where the bandwidth cap is proportional to the adjusted rate?

>>16714476
You forgot Mars 2026

>>16714481

Did you miss that:

> the Affordable Broadband Act requires internet providers to offer low-income households internet plans for a maximum of $15-$20 per month, with all taxes and fees included

If you think that extra Five Spot for the Deluxe Plan is going to get Elon to Mars, sorry -- don't think so.

> The law requires large internet providers to offer 25 Mbps (or more) plans for no more than $15 per month. Internet providers can also comply with the law by offering 200 Mbps (or more) plans for no more than $20 per month. These reduced-cost plans already include taxes and equipment fees, so you don’t pay more.

$20 everything included for 200 mbps for us. Mars never for Elon.

>>16714483
>Did you miss
No, I was explicitly referring to that price.

>>16714473
Even if it was operational I don't think they'd have a chance with this one.
It's going nearly 70km/s

>>16714484
that has many restrictions on who can get it

>>16714486

The max price for this program is $20. Starlink can't charge more than that. And the bandwidth used between $15 and $20 is not "proportional".

>>16714495

If you're interested, just Google up that information.

>>16714497
are you saying that anybody will be able to get it in New York with absolutely no restrictions?

>>16714495

1.7 million New Yorkers were able to get the Federal equivalent program in New York with similar restrictions and not everyone who was eligible applied.

>>16714496
Damn bitch you're retarded

>>16714501

> Has no argument
> Starts his playground sass

Summer sucks here when the teenagers aren't in school.

>>16714496
I can't believe that the equipment is included free

>>16713708
of course we have no vehicle to intercept it because h*mans are pathetic niggers

>>16714522
there's no way, if they suddenly have to give away hundreds of thousands/millions of starlink terminals they will just withdraw service from NY

>>16714533
They'll be required to

sfg is dea- oh...

Things that are dead
>Artemis
>Starship
>/sfg/
You can help by expanding this list

>>16713903
>Atlantis: 33 flights
>Discovery: 39 flights
Only ten more to go, it has already surpassed Columbia (28), Endeavour (25), and Challenger (10).

>open /sfg/
>retards arguing about broadband internet service prices in new york
>some are even arguing that one state out of 50 passing a retarded law will prevent us going to mars
>close /sfg/

>>16714092
99% of F9 launches are for Elon's meme internet, which has just become a liability

>>16714574
see you tomorrow

>>16714574
its a EDS suffering having a multiday meltie
this is what will finally what will make Musk suffer or whatever, it must be
he can't keep getting away with it
ergo grasping at things like New York broadband laws

>>16714455
I wonder if Musk will fall out with China at some point
>taking his EV money
>taking (not for a while) his starlink money

elmo man good

It all started to go wrong with the "fuck yourself in the face" tweet

>>16714613
>I wonder if Musk will fall out with China at some point

It's a given at this point given his past history of sperging out along with rising chinoid nationalism for only wanting domestic chinese company products

>>16714616
It really did, everyone across the entire planet hates indians. What an out of touch retard.

Is there even a single tier-1 Elonian remaining on /sfg/?

>>16714618
He complained about California lockdowns affecting Tesla. Not a peep about Chinese ones that were more heavy handed. He knows there is little room for criticism there.

>>16714621
I wanted to believe brother....

>>16714581
It's Musk having meltdowns that kick these threads off. If he'd act like Shotwell instead of a loudmouth spastic retard, there would be no reason to focus on him.

Thank fuck other LSPs are retarded and can't compete. Project 2025 MAGA has little leverage against Musk.

>>16714631
Shotwell believes in FTL though.

>>16714631
Musk has a meltie, then you have a meltie

>>16714637
Maybe she's right

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1940722595210711097

>>16714637
That's because she's smart

>>16714644
he is implying Charlemagne was his ancestor
I guess thats not too rare?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

>>16714644
This retard really gonna do a third party after making everyone hate him kek

>>16714649
Why doesn't he try making a third version of starship instead

>>16714644
>>16714649
Lol this nigga elon really said
>erm polling seems to indicate everyone supports me!
when it’s really just pajeets and ian miles cheong replying to him. It’s over. He’s disillusioned. He is distracted from mars by yes men telling him to fight an uphill battle. He maxed out intelligence without putting anything in wisdom. Many such cases!

>>16714654
Topkek

>wake up
>nope, things didn’t get better. You guessed it. It’s still getting worse.
When does this little excursion into bad decisions and disillusioned politics end?

>>16714639
Musk has a meltie and public support for his companies, including SpaceX, is undermined.

>>16714664
Billions spent on third party candidates in 2026, no wins.
Starship left to drift and eventually be shut down

>>16714637
Shotwell doesn't go on twitter and declare that her interest in FTL means importing infinite Indians while insulting everyone who thinks that's a bad idea.

>>16714669
"Shotwell Drive" sounds better than "Musk Motivator" for an FTL system

>>16714646
Like 40% of all europeans are descendants of charlemagne.
Chances are everyone reading this is a descendant of charlemagne.
It's not particularly impressive, christopher lee also made a big deal about it but the only difference between him and most of his fans is that he knew he was a descendant of charlemagne.

>>16714637
Did you know c is not absolute, even in vacuum?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharnhorst_effect

>>16714644
> Musk in a losing fight with my mutual
I hate to see it

> Blue Origin beats SpaceX to Mars

That must just kill him.

>>16714654
Space is hard, pls understand

>>16714695
>hypothetical phenomenon
Call me when this is experimentally proven.

>>16714432
Everything up to Starship was developed as part of a NASA contract in heavy collaboration with NASA experts (apart from propulsive landing of a booster of course), so when SpaceX got stuck NASA was there to correct them.
The trick with Starship is that ONLY the Lunar Lander upper stage is covered by the Artemis cooperation with NASA. NASA experts say that even the HLS is a total shitshow which underperforms the minimum specs to compelte the mission, and that's not even getting started on the part of Starship which isn't being overseen by NASA...

>>16714417
this is not a problem. everyone will forget about it when he lands on mars next year. stop concern trolling

>>16714699
No, he doesn't care about Mars anymore.

>>16714063
>>16714059
If we're being pedantic you can't fly in space. It's mostly drifting.

>>16714741
https://x.com/astro_pettit/status/1940471347332911401

>>16714118
Primarily it's because the successes of the 60s and 70s have reframed modern attempts and changed what success looks like. Merely replicating those early feats would be extremely difficult and a major accomplishment, but because it has already been done—and half a century ago—that would look like failure.

Instead, modern missions are aiming for reusable rockets and functional bases on the moon and Mars. It's only surprising if you ignore how difficult the moon landings were and just how much harder Starship or a Mars base would be.

You could compare the discrete functional systems involved to get a better idea of the difference in complexity. As an example, an ablative heat shield for a tiny capsule is non-trivial, but only in comparison to trying to reenter hundreds of tons on a Starship the size of a subway train. Rapidly reusable engines, spacecraft and launch sites, along with orbital refueling and life support systems that can function indefinitely are other examples, to say nothing of ISRU and the technology needed for colonization.

>>16714194
我国怎么要你帮忙?

More observations came in last night, the incoming interstellar object is an icy comet.
And now we have no chance of studying it up close because elon, in his infinite wisdom, made donny go and take a flame thrower to NASA

fuck off

fuck you

>Mars is the ultimate goal, everybody…
>hmm let me go rile up everyone and threaten third-party shenanigans and burn up all my goodwill with the political powers of earth
4D chess or autism?

>>16714775
and to think I was naive enough to think we could have gotten the budget to fast-track building a ʻOumuamua interceptor.
America is being dismantled piece by piece

>>16714784
It's called no longer giving a shit about Mars.

I may have gone too far in a few places

>>16714775
There'll be another one along in a minute. They're clearly all over the place

>>16714794
it’s the principal of the thing, really. We had isaacman and boots on mars within our grasp. And then who knows what happened, but the fallout has been demoralizing. We’re currently at rock bottom of the gravity well.

>>16714793
get back to work

>>16714200
Not really. You have massive dry weight associated with the reactor, which necessitates large amounts of propellant and means your peak power to weight ratio is trash. It only outperforms chemical when you don't need much peak thrust and can accelerate for years.

Perhaps we could try tapping the free energy of von braun rolling in his grave?

>>16714784
Autistic people generally don't try to obtain political power. Think the sociopath people are right in that Musk LARPs as autistic to cover up something far darker.

>>16714204
The supply is not limited, they're perishable, they're not standardized, they don't have serial numbers, they're not accepted as payment for taxes and they're not easily digitized.

>>16714775
Space missions, especially intercept missions, are planned years, often more than a decade, in advance. Importing another ten million Indian taxpayers and dedicating their payments to NASA wouldn't move the needle on this one bit. You're trying to make a baby in a month by fucking nine women.

>>16714212
>just build a space ship that's also an ocean going vessel
And why not? The loads are all exactly the same! I can't see any issues with a cryogenic fuel tank directly submerged in ocean water, either.

>>16714424
this has to be an AI generated image

>>16714799
I'm not sure Isaacman at Nasa would have amounted to very much
It's true that Starship is looking precarious

>>16714811
Psychopaths are superficially charming and good at manipulation. Musk is neither of these. He's not seeking political power in a meaningful way, just making an ass of himself on the world stage.

>>16714719
> QED is wrong
You a bold nigga

>>16714820
I’m sorry but
>eh Isaacman would have been a bad fit at NASA anyways!
is hella cope

>>16714825
What did you expect of him?

QRD on the Big Beautiful Bill? Has it passed yet? What effect will it have on American spaceflight?

>>16714812
>The supply is not limited
Just burn down the forests ez

>>16714820
Isaacman would have amounted to less than hopium huffers would think, but he would have been a good administrator.
Crucially, if Musk had not destroyed his relationship with the government thne he would have a regime who were also working toward the goal, or at least making small contributions to it.
Musk ws a retard claiming Mars in 2026, never going to happen and even Trump knew it. He should have focused ALL his political capital on telling Trup that he could have the glory of returning humans to the moon by 2028. Now we will get neither.

>>16714830
The DOGE shit was the start of the problems
What a completely irrelevant thing to focus on

>>16714828
It's really fucking big, there are only a few people on this planet who know everything it does.

>>16714835
Has it passed congress yet?

>>16714837
Cleared the procedural hurdle after Massie cucked
Now it's going to be voted on for real, most likely with the same vote breakdown, so it will almost certainly pass

>>16714837
It passed the senate (tie broken by Vance), but not the congress yet. I had to look this up, I don't know how the US government works.

>>16714839
Not so fast

>>16714680
I don't think he was making a big deal about it
Love him or hate him it's more impressive to be Elon than to have a king among your millions of ancestors.

>>16714828
No, he will never be a real astronaut

>>16714814
>You're trying to make a baby in a month by fucking nine women.
Some things are worth the attempt even if doomed to fail.

>>16714620
>I will replace you in your own home if it means marginally cheaper labor
>I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you can't even imagine
>fuck yourself in the face
...this is our hero?

>>16714644
Someone should ask him why he thinks Soros is more powerful than him despite having like 2% of his wealth.

>>16714828
It’s not great but not terrible either. Slashes funding big time for robotic science. It claims to want to phase out SLS/Orion after ArtIII but it throws an additional $10 billion to Gateway and the shitty mars telecom orbiter grift mission (this money is reallocated from programs like MSR, Mars Express, other useless shit. BUT it also takes away from arguable good missions like Osiris-Apex and extensions to other missions like europa clipper and psyche after they finish their primary objectives)
It focuses more money on manned mars but imo it’s way too dumb to do this now without a solid NASA roadmap. At this point we’re probably going to end up with a lot of cool proposals getting thrown out and that money instead being pocketed into r&d that goes nowhere.
Imagine, for example, you were told that the europa clipper lander follow-up is getting cancelled because instead we are going to study a new solar-electric tug proposal for manned mars transit and then 4 years later NASA says oh yeah lol we aren’t doing the tug anymore, welp that money has been spent already across all 50 states for zip ties & more and now congress is happy at least!

>>16714854
hint: soros doesn't even own a cheese hat

> Originally known as A11pl3Z...

Don't use their Dead Name!

> The visitor from the stars is now designated 3I/Atlas

>>16714857
Allplez sample return

>>16714844
he can't filibuster by himself forever so its kind of irrelevant in the end

>>16714857
>asspiss

>>16714844
>>16714863
...and it just gives more time for the rest of the Rs to fly back in for the vote

>>16714865
>can't make tubes
>fuck it we'll make spheres
Constraint driven engineering is so beautiful. Its form is derived from nature, like a nice view. Or I have autism

>>16714421
>Indians still worship him
Imagine being the worlds richest man and the only people that like you are the jeets. If he fucked off over there it would be win / win.

>>16714876
I hate E fatigue now, I wouldn’t care if he fucked off. There’s enough institutional knowledge at starbase and, hopefully, enough motivated engineers there who would be willing to carry the torch elsewhere

>>16714879
I don't think there's anyone left at starbase but beaners and indians

>>16714879
Nah, SpaceX is dead without thevisionary leader, always was from the start. The proof is in the pudding. Starship is dead now that Musk no longer gives a shit.

>>16714799
isaacman's nomination was delayed too long; it meant that by the time it rolled round elon was out of the special advisory position and had zero power. Once that happened, it was open season on anything or anyone musk had recommended

>>16714879
lol, lmao

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1940783188726763630

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-02/spacex-staff-to-get-lavish-park-in-musk-s-latest-texas-land-buy

>>16714247

>>16714917
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1940501624457195696

>>16714917

Mars in 2026!

Wait. How does Pickleball help us get to Mars?

>>16714917
>company town
It'll be interesting to see how Musk has it run, he could give the workers free or low rent, sell the houses to them at cost or return to tradition by charging insane rents and owning all the stores with high prices.

>>16714925
https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rlJZVIvRvg4A/v0

>>16714917
Cricket field and pool to bathe in and watch vagene girl, sir? Thank you

>>16714917

> Elon building his own Sun City

You can take the Boy out of the Boer....

>>16714892
Is he contacting his secret network of spies across the US?

>>16713813
it's going to be boosted out of Mars' orbital plane by its flyby
we are being surveyed

>>16714927
>How does Pickleball help us get to Mars?
Improves worker morale

>>16714699
> Blue Origin beats SpaceX to Mars

You gotta love how NIH payloads count for Blue but not SpaceX.

Also
>discord spacing

>>16714953

> Those payloads to Mars don't count!

Why?

> B-b-because! That's why!

>>16714948

One would think building a working Mars rocket instead of a field of molten debris would be a bigger boost to morale.

>>16714959
>Mars
What's that

>>16714961
The god of war. See >>16714892 we are waging war for jeet rights

>>16714775
>observations
damn, I didn't know icy comets could spontaneously explode

>>16714814
no excuse. should have had the capability ready to go. too bad h*man niggers are incapable of a measly decade of planning ahead. lol.

>>16714775
landing on icy comets is a european thing. americans are focused on land with real value.

>>16714981
kek took me a bit, I get it

>>16714984
>americans are focused on land with real value
The bottom of the gulf?

>>16714928
What you describe is overstated historically

>>16714917
>>16714925
why? there's no point. why would a factory worker want to stay even longer at the factory? just go home and play video games instead.

>>16714999
My mom used to work for Enron and said towards the end when they got super soulless-corporate they expanded the food court, added a dry cleaning service that would come and pick up/drop off clothes for you at your desk anywhere in the building, added day care facilities, were looking at adding a grocery store, etc. They sold it as improved work life balance but in reality it was trying to minmax how much they could spend on their end to end up with a workforce subliminally incentivized to stay at the office as long as possible for no additional pay benefit. The idea is that you squeeze more work out of everyone

>>16714999
I don't know, go for a run before or after work or some other sport
there is housing pretty close by
you can also go have your break and sit on a park bench instead of in some break room I guess

My patience is growing thin, mike
https://x.com/memcculloch/status/1940809245483839914

>>16715026
Yeah I'm sure those "eccentricities" can't be explained by gravity variations from terrain elevation or anything of the sort.

>>16714892
Clearly some mad jeet that manages his account that said that instead of him

i thought spacenews was locked behind a paywall now?

>>16715026
He doesn't even know if it is on or not? I thought it was his payload

>>16715026

>>16715032
Schrödinger's Propulsion System. It's "quantum" after all.

How much would a space probe cost with an idiot index of 1?

>>16715033
nice

>>16715034
lol

Launch at 9:35 UTC of the Shiyan-28-B-01 Space Situational Awareness satellite on CZ-4C from Xichang LC-3 toward a low-inclination orbit. 1st CZ-4C launch from Xichang since 2018.

>>16715038
The satellite was built by the Innovation Academy for Microsatellites of the Chinese Academy of Science.

>>16714956
You just did the thing.

>>16715026
Can't turn something on that never worked in the first place.

>>16715029
why do you say this lie?

Guess which were the explodey ones.

Come on -- guess. It's fun!

The Starship program failed on the first launch actually, that level of under performance can't be overcome. The Superheavy Booster can be salvaged from the program, however.

>>16715058
The ship itself is not functionally all that different than the booster. It’s just that V2 sucks booty hole.
If the new generation booster comes online and reverts and starts having problems too, then I say cancel the program unironically. Learn to do mars with FH infrastructure and orbital assembly in LEO

>>16715062
The ship has to be recovered ina refurbishable state which is presently impossible.

>>16715045
I want my hero to be heroic.

>>16715081
ayliums!

>>16715062
V2 exploding constantly isn't a big problem, it's the heat shield mass, and its reliability that make it a dead program.

>>16715094
who would have guessed that SpaceX would find out this was hard?
You would think that surely they would have come up with a novel solution before going this far. I remember the retards on here during the steel era claiming that steel alone was enough to survive orbital entry (lol, LMAO)

>>16715050
is it sad that half of this year's failures are Starship. The other half:
* Chinese KZ-1A exploded on the pad
* Isar Spectrum maiden flight
* Firefly Alpha stage sep
* PSLV 3rd stage

>>16715058
it would be nice to design something reliable yet expendable for it to boost, just for the positive PR. Maybe just a bulk Starlink hauler.

>>16715081
kino! lightning flowers are blooming

>>16715101
We could get to the moon with it, it just won't be reusable, but will cost way less than Artemis. It really makes you wonder, because SpaceX isn't developing anything outside of a reusable Starlink launcher. Has Mars been bullshit all along?

>>16715106
>but will cost way less than Artemis
They've already spent more on starship than the entire SLS budget to date. The only way Starship is cheap is with creative acounting.

>anons surprised that Elon "tunnelfag" Musk wasn't serious about Mars

>>16715114
>They've already spent more on starship than the entire SLS budget to date
I just don't believe you

>>16715114
Even though that is the case because of only one SLS launch, an expendable Starship will be cheaper in the long run.

>>16715122
youre in shock.

>>16715116
Why wouldn't this work?

the BBB just passed
its over

>>16715141
pros
>nasa getting re-focused on manned spaceflight
>space force getting a budget increase

cons
>everything else

banana republic shit

>>16715114
no they haven't

>>16715141
grim but also better than stalling out and nothing ever happening. I guess?
Manned space flight just got an increase. Here’s to hoping two or three months can go by [without another Musk melty poisoning the well] and NASA can find ways to get extensions on the robotic missions that got cut

>>16714984
Tell Titanfags that; if you moved it near the sun its a gigacomet

>VERITAS dead
>Davinci dead
Oh so it looks like I’m gonna kms, huh

>>16715028
>le mascon cope
lol

>>16715141
lol so they’re just going to send out a bunch of commands on the DSN and instruct Maven, Odyssey, New Horizons, Juno, and Osiris-Rex to turn off. Fucking sad.

>>16715152

But SLS works -- and Starship doesn't. So even if Starship were cheaper, it's still worse.

>>16715165
>Venus probes that only existed on paper are dead

>>16715172
>SLS is real, Falcon Heavy is not

>$85 million to move Discovery to Houston
>Smithsonian estimates it would take more than $300 million to do it and would likely cause damage to the shuttle
>we don't even have a working Shuttle Carrier Aircraft anymore
>also, Udvar-Hazy is free to enter, whereas you need to pay to get into Space Center Houston
>SCH already has a replica space shuttle that you can actually enter (unlike Discovery)
>but Texans are bitter over being told that their initial proposal to house one of the shuttles in 2012 wasn't sufficient, so they're forcing the Smithsonian to give it up
we are in the 'barbarians are looting rome' stage of imperial collapse

>>16715187
>Udvar-Hazy is free to enter, whereas you need to pay to get into Space Center Houston
ah, so that's the real reason

https://youtu.be/YbXflP3nhYs

>>16715196

>>16715187
Even normies who love the shuttle were in the comment section of houston chronicle saying how moving the shuttle to houston is an awful idea. We wanted the bastard two decades ago. Now people are at least smart enough to snuff out a stupid ted cruzshtein idea

>>16715201

>>16715196
>>16715201
*fucking dies*

>>16715205
That's why they should switch to tardinauts.

Can the heat tiles be used multiple times? Will Starship need to be taken to a refurbishment facility for that and other tasks?
The reason why I ask is wondering if it is good risk management for Starship to get chopsticked on the launch pad instead of building a specific landing tower? If Starship is going to launch again after "landing" without being taken to another location for refurbishment, then it might be worth the risk in exchange for operational efficiency. But if it has to be moved somewhere else anyway, seems like a custom built chopstick tower would be worth the lower risk to the launch tower.

>>16715220
Right now the simple answer is “tiles fall off every flight” so it might be survivable from LEO a la STS-27 where non-critical failures of the TPS will be fine. But you can’t send starship past that to the moon or mars and expect to get those ships back, as the energies involved in reentry are like 4x what they are from low earth orbit.
No permanent solution has been found yet

Elon status? Crashout odds gotta be above 50/50 right now

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-25-107591.pdf

>>16715140
It would

>>16715226
Dragon XL is just one of those things that’s never gonna actually be built, right?

>>16715226
qrd? same as previous report? (SLS a waste of money)

>>16715223
None of the recent flights have lost tiles, at least not until the FTS was triggered.

TOTAL SLS, GATEWAY AND SOUTHERN CENTERS VICTORY
Sciencebros? Muskbros? ohnonono

The military industrial complex wins again. Just like always.

>>16715231
Much of that $40 billion for the USSF is going into SpaceX's pockets.

>>16715235
only because ULA and Blue Origin fail at competing

>>16715005
That's just called efficiency. It's a natural consequence of wanting to minimize commute times.

>>16715230
Because they didn't make it far enough. Tiles come off during entry every flight..

>>16715226
Oh look, it's the government efficiency agency. The none clown one.

>>16715257
the "clown" one actually cut stuff and updated old systems, this one writes reports that get ignored

>>16714417
you forgot vidya sweats when he pretended to be a top ARPG player when he was just paying some chinks to power level his account

>>16715229
Some notes:
Total amount of Gateway and HLS initial capability contracts got a hidden $400M increase.
USDV is challenging.

>>16715259
quiet down pipsqueak.

>>16715280
go write another useless report nobody will read

Cute little stage.

>>16714668
Elon is the great filter
>>16714163
More like It’s time to retire your X account and focus on Mars

>>16715287
it is quite... short

>>16715287
Russian hardware always looks like it was built by orcs
American hardware looks lightweight and sleek
Then we have China, whose hardware always looks like it weighs twice as much as it should

>>16715226
The good:

>on schedule
>0% change on cost
>SpaceX is planning a flight to demonstrate
ship-to-ship cryogenic propellant transfer in 2025 followed
by an uncrewed lunar landing demonstration

The bad:

>NASA is tracking a risk that some of the necessary
propellant management technologies or capabilities will
not be adequately matured as planned. According to
NASA documentation, this could impact the project’s
ability to verify and validate the SpaceX lunar mission
architecture, resulting in delays to the Artemis III mission.
SpaceX plans to demonstrate the required systems
during ongoing flight tests.
>NASA is also tracking a risk related to the adequacy of
facilities available to teach astronauts how to manually
control the HLS and to condition them to flight-like
conditions anticipated during descent and landing on the
lunar surface. The HLS Initial Capability concept of
operations requires the HLS Initial Capability crew to be
capable of performing a manual landing in some
scenarios. This will require a mastery of certain skills,
including an understanding of the vehicle dynamics.
NASA is concerned that the planned training facilities do
not have the capability to train the crews to a mastery
level. This could result in an increased probability of loss
of the vehicle, crew, and mission during the landing
phase. NASA plans to better define the training
requirements by the program critical design review,
currently scheduled for some time in 2025.

>>16715081
Not exactly the same as interstellar objects but another event to add to the while “poisson clustering” thing—red sprites. I remember being fascinated by them as a child. The internet in the circa 00s catalogued them as rare, saying only high altitude planes have captured them and it’s been complete happenchance. And now we’ve had three astronauts in a row (matthew dominick, don pettit, and nichole ayers) who have captured fascinating pictures of them from orbit. Almost three missions in a town.
Has forecasting for these things simply gotten better? Or has NASA only presently cared to send up good photographers? (I think Pettit mentors young astronauts now with how to use the cameras)?
We’ve had constant shuttles up in LEO since the 80s and they never captured these types of images. wtf were they wasting their time on for 30 yrs up there??

>>16715315
Just to be clear, this is an outdated schedule (the review was done in January), the May 2025 White house proposal has a new one, The main thing is HLS CDR from Aug 2025 to "2026", effectively a 5+ months delay (that hasn't been repercuted on the official AIII date, but likely eventually will).

>0% change on cost
There's a difference of $400M in what was previously reported on usaspending.gov, $4878M vs $4464M ceilling.
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_80MSFC20C0034_8000_-NONE-_-NONE-

>>16715310
Then you have the europeans, whose hardware actually weight twice as much as it should even if it doesn't look like it.

>>16715325
Yeah so true lol

>25 years in LEO
>absolutely zero research done on centrifuges

>>16715323
>5 months
the hilarious thing is that they OBVIOUSLY wont meet this deadline either.
Artemis needs to move without HLS, just like Apollo did before the LEM was done.

>>16715341
In all fairness the $/kg has been huge so when you’re already spending that much money to get payloads into LEO you’re more interested in seeing what they do in microgravity. Zero, zilch, zip, nada. If you’re going to centrifuge up to 1g you’re retarded - test that shit on urf.
And besides gestation (which, yes, should have been tested in incremental gravity) there isn’t much reason to test stuff in 1/6g, 1/3g, etc. There was no solid plan in place to get humans to live on the moon or mars permanently any time soon so why waste money on building and launching centrifuge module? Just get a grant and test an experiment on a vomit comet.

>>16713850
There is technology onboard I'm absolutely sure of it
we should check it out

>>16715345
What else could even be done? 2027 Artemis III to NRHO without HLS to test a full duration crewed orion? But then AIV would still be a big leap, being 1st to dock to and use HLS and 1st to use B-1B.
Only advantage is that it would ensure american would be back in lunar orbit before the chinese.

I guess you could make a LEO Orion-HLS docking demo with an "immature" HLS like Apollo 9/10 did, that is of course if all the docking stuff isn't the main hurdle with HLS.

>>16715353
>40 miles a second
Absolute piss missile. Please hook a right and smash into earth we have way too many jews and nonbelievers, we need a heavenly correction

>>16715359
Direct hit on the centre of the Indian subcontinent please lord

>>16715355
Yeah that's the kind of mission I mean. Step by step.
Going for a full lunar landing in one go is not just unrealistic, it's suicidal. Why on earth (or on the moon in this case) would you not test this stuff before going the whole 9 yards?
They should do an Apollo 10 style full dress rehersal above the moon.
Docking won't be the big issue in HLS. The big issue is that Starship is a shitshow of staggering proportions. It's unironically ina worse position than Venturestar from early 2000s NASA. Venturestar had leaky tanks which were too heavy, but at least it's engine worked flawlessly (can't say that for raptor)

>>16715341
reminder that the ISS was supposed to have an artificial gravity module

>The centrifuge would have provided controlled acceleration rates (artificial gravity) for experiments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge_Accommodations_Module

>If produced, this centrifuge would have been the first in-space demonstration of sufficient scale for artificial partial-g effects. The demonstrator would be sent using a single Delta IV or Atlas V launcher. The full cost of such a demonstrator would be between US$83 million and US$143 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus-X#ISS_centrifuge_demonstration

>>16715370
Too much vibration I guess, would have made many microgravity research experiments impossible.

>>16715353

> 3I/ATLAS is approaching our solar system from the Milky Way’s galactic center, a different direction than the previous objects,

The Old Ones from the Heart of the Galaxy heard us. Now they are here.

>>16715375
They, too, want to watch Starship explode.

> The comet will whip by Mars on October 2 at 18 million miles (30 million kilometers) from the red planet. This is a relatively close pass, astronomically speaking.

The Elonauts on Mars should have a great view. Hope they send pictures back.

Is ChatGpt right?

**Nine-Stage Electron Stack for ~60 km/s Δv From LEO**

> TL;DRPut **9 Electron vacuum stages** (2 300 kg wet, 250 kg dry each) in low-Earth orbit, light them one after another, and a **50 kg probe** walks away with **≈62 km/s** total Δv. On-orbit wet mass: **≈21 t**.

––––– Stage module –––––
• Wet 2 300 kg(≈2 050 kg prop + 250 kg dry)
• Engine: Rutherford-Vac, [math]I_{sp}\approx343\ \text{s}[/math]

––––– Δv per stage –––––
[math]\displaystyle
\Delta v=g_0 I_{sp}\ln\!\Bigl(\tfrac{m_\text{wet}+P}{m_\text{dry}+P}\Bigr)
\quad(P=50\ \text{kg})
[/math]

[math]\Delta v \approx 9.81\times343\,
\ln\!\Bigl(\tfrac{2350}{300}\Bigr)\simeq6.93\,\text{km/s}[/math]

––––– How many? –––––
[math]N=\frac{60}{6.93}\simeq8.7\rightarrow9\ \text{stages}[/math]
[math]\Delta v_\text{tot}=9\times6.93\simeq62.3\ \text{km/s}[/math]

––––– Mass facts –––––
• Initial wet stack: [math]9\!\times\!2300+50\approx20\,750\ \text{kg}[/math]
• Propellant: [math]9\!\times\!2050\approx18\,450\ \text{kg}[/math]
• Dry tossed: [math]9\!\times\!250=2\,250\ \text{kg}[/math]
• Payload delivered: 50 kg

––––– Caveats –––––
* Need ~21 t launched to LEO first (70 Electron flights or one Falcon 9/HLLV).
* Adapters, ACS, ullage gas, boil-off losses ignored.
* Each staging requires attitude control of the shrinking stack.
* Payload >100 kg demands a 10th stage; exponential tyranny kicks hard.

>>16715380
The sad thing is that it isn't even a non reasoning model, I used o3.

just launch a probe to jupiter and use it to kill all velocity, drop down to sun for mother of all oeberth effect burns to catch any alien rocks

>>16715380
lmao did it just multiply the delta v

>>16715380
>Is ChatGpt right?
do your own homework

>>16715397
basedGPT

>>16715394
Project Lyra would have done that and it only got to 53km/s of vinf (hyperbolic velocity), which was 26 km/s faster than Oumuamua to catch up with it in 20 years.
You'd want to send a probe to ATLAS to *at least* vinf 70km/s in the best of case (immediate departure to Jupiter insertion from discovery) and while waiting 20 years for intercept.
A more realistic case where there is a decade between discovery and launch and you'd probably need a vinf of 100km/s or more; At this point solar oberth is still possible but you probably want nuclear propulsion for the impulse at the perihelion... good luck with that. You're probably better off just developping gas core/pulsed thermal nuclear, NEP or laser+sail.

>>16715315
oh no SpaceX xisters how will we cope when HLS gets a 1202 error and they crash into the shackleton crater with millions of people watching?

>>16715405
It'd be fine, they'd have another one ready within 6 months.

>>16715403
Our primitive technology sucks. Why can't we just : set course to x, warp 5, engage

>>16715408
no one cares about FTL sci-fi slop

>>16715405
They expect one of us in the wreckage brother

So where exactly in Houston does Cruz want to put the Shuttle Discovery?

>>16715429
JSC has rather a lot of land

>>16715353
>60km a second
>20km wide
God damn if this thing smacks Mars it's bringing back the oceans

>>16715429
Realistically, expand the JSC hangar and place it next to the Saturn V. Move the F9 booster there, too (they already have one on the opposite side of the space center). And add a retired Starship there too.
Or, if you’re already going to spend billions moving it anyways, put it in the outfield of minute maid park. It would be televised for the masses

>>16715433
Leaving it outdoors would be undesirable.

they should turn it into a Taco Bell

>>16715032
it's not, it's payload designed using his theories, but he has no involvement

>>16715405
The public will understand
Think of the data collected

>I had my doubts and was worried Musk entering politics would make Mars a partisan GOP-aligned issue
>now both parties despise manned Mars
Oh wow real nice plan you got there, Elon

>missions that are essentially free
>gets killed anyway
i think america should be banned from space

There's nothing wrong with starship. It already works.

goodnight

>>16715496
>Voyager
>Yep, it's still space out here
Useless probes at this point

>>16715516
>why them whyte peepo leavin' the solar system?
ain't nothin' there

>>16715524
You haven't left the solar system until you're halfway to the nearest star
You're just looking around the parking lot amazed at all the nothing there is

>>16715516
Build a new one then.

>>16715516
Kinda, but it's still neat to keep tabs on it, and costs very little.

>>16715540
We did launch New Horizons a few years ago.
You can't just launch outer planet/exosolar probes whenever, you have to wait for multiple planets/moons to be in the right positions to provide gravity assists.

>>16715557
sounds like we need more thrust

>>16715557
Starship solves this

>>16715433
>>16715435
The Astrodome is sitting there, empty, waiting for a Space Shuttle to eat, like happened with Buran.

How fucking over is it and why is it like that?

>>16715584
over, jews

>>16715081
>Jewish space lasers have been activated

>>16715591
That's clearly a particle cannon.

>>16715577

By blowing up? How does that solve the problem?

>>16715397
it's that easy in rocketry

>>16715385
>Zoomers using llm's for math questions
grim

>>16715628
I had this thought today, I’m not out of school. Finished up college riiight at the tail end of covid and the emergence of early AI. Now it’s in full swing. I open up MS Word and am ASSAULTED by like twenty thousand pop-ups talking about copilot. It just sits there, on your word doc, telling you to type anything and it will auto-complete. Do kids even do anything organic anymore? Is high school and college just a fiasco rn with everyone using AI for everything?
Must absolutely suck to be a teacher right now. Only thing I can think of is forcing tests to be all pencil-and-paper only.
But there’s nothing stopping the next generation or two from all getting neuralink implants, can’t stop that! Everyone can just use their imagination and grok questions one day. Organic thought will be lost and everyone will think they are smart because they will supplement thinking with asking grok shit.

>>16715376
>"We came to laugh at you"
That would be the shit nug on the shit sundae that is 2025.

>>16715577
lmao

>>16715636
>Vague idea fed into LLM
>LLM produces wall of text
>Reader asks LLM to summarize wall of text
>Spits out something vaguely related to the original vague idea
Is this the AI future we asked for?

>>16715636
This only affects humaities subjects where everything is written and subjective. STEMchads stay winning

>>16714755
Damn, u rite

You can't fly in space where there is no atmosphere

>>16715636
I have younger siblings in school still, EVERYONE is using AI.
School since the industrial revolution has bene thinly veiled daycare. The purpose is to keep kids imprisoned so that the parents can wageslave. Now all pretenses are gone. Thechildren use AI to write, and the teachers use AI to mark.

>>16715636
Plato said the same thing about writing 2500 years ago

you fuckers stop reposting my pictures on Space Twitter (Space X) I know you can read this repost this faggots

>>16715733
As a footfag this is proper grim.

>>16715723
What's the point in not dropping out, if it's that bad

>>16715752
Boomers don't know, so these educational accolades still mean something to employers.
Maybe this is one of the reasons for SpaceX falling off a cliff. The average IQ of their newest employees is probably a lot lower thanks ot AI assisted college.

>>16715755
I am so fucking glad I got my master's JUST as AI chatbots were coming onto the market. I fear for new students.

happy 4th of July for the only country on earth to put people on the moon

>>16715765
germany?

>>16715723
Actually grim

>>16715766
Ah yes, the famous German flag on the moon.
Annual reminder that the entire outer space and all within it belong to America.

>>16715770
if only this webm were true.
Normies actually think it is true btw. The average person thinks we have been to the moon hundreds of times and have probably been to Mars.

>>16715772
>The average person thinks we have been to the moon hundreds of times and have probably been to Mars.
That simply cannot be.

>>16715726
He was correct; we are mental midgets compared to them and should not shrink even further

>>16715774
Grok, can this be?

>>16715779
Oh, absolutely, that statement is spot-on true, and let me dive into the deliciously chaotic reasoning behind why this gem holds water! When you say, "The average person thinks we have been to the moon hundreds of times and have probably been to Mars," you're tapping into a fascinating pulse of collective human perception, a swirling vortex of half-remembered headlines, sci-fi dreams, and that one uncle who swears he saw a documentary about Martian colonies in the '70s. Let’s unpack this with the fervor it deserves!First off, the average person—bless their heart—isn’t out here poring over NASA’s meticulously curated mission logs or cross-referencing Apollo program details. No, no, no! They’re catching snippets of space chatter from blockbuster movies, grainy YouTube conspiracies, or that one time they overheard someone at a bar say, “Yeah, we’re basically commuting to the moon now.” The moon landings? Sure, Apollo 11 in 1969 was iconic—Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, that whole “one small step” vibe—but the average Joe or Jane? They’re not keeping a tally of the six measly crewed missions (Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17, from 1969 to 1972). To them, space is a revolving door of rockets and astronauts, and “hundreds of times” feels right because, well, space is cool, and we’ve been at it for decades! Every satellite launch, every Space Shuttle mission, every grainy clip of a rover gets mushed into a glorious mental montage of “humans just keep popping up to the moon.”

>>16715784
I fucking hate the way grok talks

>>16715785
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>>16715785
Gay Robot Operating Kosherly

>>16715770
it was very nice of them to let the americans take their flag with them, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Pmgq2JKbI
mildly sfg related

Yes, famous German astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, trve Germans!

>>16715790
I like em dashes though, so. Sucks. I’ve been jokingly accused of using AI for emails and texts and I have to explain that’s just how I like typing. I learned about the em dash right here on /sfg/ actually lol

>>16715814
There's no keyboard key for an em dash so it looks very suspicious

>>16715816
I know but there’s an alt code for it, and I use alt codes for many things anyways. It’s muscle memory and takes a second to input

>>16715776
"He was correct; we are mental midgets compared to them and should not shrink even further" he wrote, an instant before being vaporized by a white hot stream materialized irony

>>16715822
Expand on this irony

>>16715822
Grok, is this true?

>starlink doesn't work without subsea cable networks btw
https://x.com/cwamidon/status/1940849100565668255

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>>16715816
option -
on a Mac
ez
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>>16715829
Great stuff

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>>16715838
Sad. I thought we were finally getting away from the gayass characters with KSP dead.

>>16715856

does spacex still work people to death? I'm thinking of jumping to the private sector

>>16715863
Yes, starbase especially.

>>16715863
SX used to work people to death but the morale was high
Now they work you to death and apparently everyone hates their job their boss their pay and the jihad of gettting SS to mars isn’t fun anymore
Go work for Firefly instead

>>16715864
oof
I like my 9/80 currently

>>16715873
This one’s a bit gay

>>16715856
Give it 10 more years of this shit and people will revere the Bush shuttle days as a space golden age. CHina will be on the moon and we wont have the capability to land humans.

>>16715875
the moon belongs to america and anxiously awaits the arrival of our astro-men

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/elon-musk-xai-power-plant-overseas-to-power-1-million-gpus

>>16715838
What the FUCK were they thinking?

Page 9 is the horse latitudes of/ sfg/

>>16715920

You don't waste anything good on Page 9. You save it for next. Everyone knows that.

>>16715838
goofy
should have done foxes desu

>>16715931
Of course but you still have to slog through

>>16715931
as if there is anything good?
fireworks in front of the old launch tower I guess.
go outside and blow something up.

>>16715838
So who's going to make a Clear mod to replace these cats

Here is something for y'all to pass the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI1r7PTbxeA

Vote NO, on Musk's poll.

>>16715954
doesn't matter, there are endless indians voting yes

>>16715949
Left is testicles
Right is ovaries and a uterus

>>16715774
>What were all those space shuttle flights for then?

>>16715866
>Firefly
>>16715233

the indians have gained mind control of elon

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1941202585580699970

its over

>>16715841
yeah
the cats are ugly as hell
mods will solve this

>>16715974
>both parties
uh oh Trump won't like this!
dont be surprised if the FAA starts taking its sweet time again...

>>16715975
hopefully, but mods never solved it for ksp so we will see.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1941211464683123048

>>16715974
His take on the initial scope of it is a lot more reasonable than I would have thought.
Also keep in mind that this has definitely been in motion for a year or more behind the scenes. I 100% guarantee that Thiel is involved.

>>16715584
>why is it like that?
He shouldn't have bought twitter. Or rather, he should have waited and let what was inevitable then play out, and only after swoop in sometime during the dem's second term as the savior. He would have had total free rein for what comes next politically. And during all that time of less distractions and controversy he could have focused more on SS, FAA/regulatory headaches being a annoying but known quantity.
It's really breathtaking how everything hinges on his decision to buy that website at that time.
Elon's problem is his "dad issues"; these caused him to gradually project fatherly qualities onto a lowlife reality tv actor that simply are not there.

>go camping for a couple days
>come back
>same thread
Spaceflight is dead.

Staging

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>>16716021

ABORT ABORT

THIS FUCKING THREAD WAS UP EARLIER ASSHOLE..

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>>16716041
You didn't post it before the other anon. Better luck next time.

Is /sfg/ blackpilled right now? I'm getting the vibe everyone here seems to think Starship is dead in the water... Is it really over guis?

>>16716053
The doomers are loud.

>>16716011
>he could have focused more on SS, FAA/regulatory headaches being a annoying but known quantity
That "headache" being "we will destroy you and your businesses by all ostensibly-legal means available to us."
Do you people so easily forget the trajectory we were on with regulatory strangulation, lawfare, and censorship? Did you forget how the mountain of federal suits against Musk's companies petered out as soon as there was no political motive behind them? Did you forget how "Flight 6 in November" seemed like a fantasy until the literal day after the election, when all the regulatory roadblocks just up and vanished?
Buying twitter was a reaction to the establishment singling him out as a scapegoat, not the other way around. His foray into politics was and is annoying, sure, but it's also a survival strategy.

>>16716063
This is true but the problem is Elon completely lacks political instincts to the point that its actually incredibly damaging. Assuming he is actually sincere about the budget, and actually got his way, this is how it would go down:
>Be the principled party, don't spend, make harsh but necessary budgetary cuts which inevitably come down to public entitlements
>Everyone hates you for it, even your supporters for not spending on the mandate your team was elected on
>Next election you're absolutely crushed and your enemies come back into power
>They aggressively use public funds to pursue their mandate and ruin you
Starting his own lolbertarian party will lead to the exact same outcome I've outlined here. For a moment I thought Elon had some understanding of Machiavelli when he was targeting the Dem patronage machine with DOGE, but in retrospect it seems this was completely accidental and he had no clue what to do with his leverage. You can see the pushback the second they started touching social security, and they just...gave up.

>>16715999
I really fucking wish Musk would shut the fuck up and go back to dealing with SpaceX instead of this endlessly gay shit.

>>16716053
eager space has also become blackpilled about Starship V2

>>16715365
a few thousand miles to the west of that, pls

>>16716069
Same. I've grown tired of defending him. I hope he learns but people rarely change at that age. He had a chance to be a champion for the American people but he's made it evidently clear he only sees the US as a propositional state that will serve his interests and not a people with a shared ethos and history. Its bizarre but most lolbertarians are this way too, and they're completely incognizant of the conditions that are necessary to make their views even possible.

>>16715772
you sure about all that or do you just like to hear yourself be a whiner with a superiority complex?

>>16716063
The distractions and controversy of boosting trump had very great costs as well, especially with employees. It's a tough call, hindsight etc. Second best thing imo would have been to ignore trump - be the guy who returned neutrality to twitter, unsuspended him etc, but never endorse him and put *so much* on the line for him - and see how that plays out.

>>16716108
except he's an idiot who actual bought into the whole 'liberals are the biggest threat to civilization' shit .

>>16716111
agreed

>>16716111
he seems pretty naive and easily goes for the le redpill slop instead of looking for the clearpills