Thread 16722531

What sort of diet is HEALTHIEST for humans?

>high protein
>low/no carbs
>no seed oils
>polyunsaturated fats

Is this the best diet a person can have for longevity and health purposes?

>>16722531 (OP)
What achieves best results whenever researchers investigate this question is Mediterranean diets. Though studies like these are virtually impossible to do in a controlled way so they're all correlational.

That aside: If you're not fat and you don't feel like shit all the time, whatever you're doing is probably fine. If you have one of those two problems and you don't have a diagnosed illness, whatever you're doing wrong is probably obvious.
If you have a particular goal, take the diet you already have and adjust it to meet that goal.
>more protein + strength training = more muscle
>less food + cardio = less body fat

And always bear in mind that the more extreme the diet, the more risk of fucking yourself up in some way.

>>16722531 (OP)
I bet he used fluoride toothpaste and mouthwash, lmao

>>16722531 (OP)
Pea protein shakes with some MCT oil and my own cum.

>>16722531 (OP)
Vax status?

>>16722531 (OP)
Bad genes or polyphenol deficiency, simple as.

>>16722531 (OP)
>did cardio and weights 5x a week
lmao.

Veganism for mental clarity.

>>16722531 (OP)
>What sort of diet is HEALTHIEST for humans?
There is no "healthiest" diet, eat only what your body craves for (except high processed shit and fast food), because each one's body is in need of different nutrients, ultimately you should eat what your ancestors have eaten, not some raw meat or any of that bullshit that is served by mass media. For example i mostly eat carbs, pasta, potatoes, rice, you name it, and I really don't need anything besides that (maybe some meat and eggs ocasionally).
Eat what you feel like tastes the best for you without being too unhealthy, diet is a cope anyway, you could eat candies, smoke like a dragon, drink alcohol but still live up to 100 years depending on your genetics.

Just avoid seed oils corn syrup maybe a few additives like carageenan and unfortunately you have to take vitamins because food is now very devoid of nutrients thanks to greedy farmers going for nothing but crop yield not actual micronutrient value

>>16722531 (OP)
>this post
Hurry up and hang yourself moxyte, make the world a better plae for everyone else.

>>16722536
>Mediterranean diets
You'll need to define what you mean by this.

>>16722863
I mean exactly what will come up if you Google "Mediterranean diet."

>>16722531 (OP)
the best diet is high protein, medium carb, low fat with emphasis on vitamins, minerals and fiber.
make sure to get your hydration with water/electrolytes/sodium.
avoid empty calories, especially junk food that is high in added sugar and fat.

>>16722927
No retard, fat is not bad, you just think that because you eat seed oils

>>16722969
seed oils are fat

>>16722973
No shit that's the fucking point
Its the wrong fat

>>16722531 (OP)
for every one of these kinds of posts i see, i'll see 4 other ones from former fatties who say all of their health indicators are perfect now that they're doing carnivore. i know "AnECdoTeS ArEn'T DaTa" but it's all very confusing

>>16722531 (OP)
An omnivore diet where you eat everything in moderation. Eg, the Mediterranean diet or the Atlantic diet.

>>16722983
I eat 8oz of cheese a day minimum because low carb and my blood lipids have never been better. I think most of these cases of artery blockages are more influenced by genes than diet and lifestyle, though.

>>16722980
did i say fat was bad? its just doesnt take priority over protein and carbs
the liver metabolizes carbs, protein and fat into energy, carbs/sugar being the fast acting energy using immediately. when we look at what each macronutrient is used for immediately, we notice that protein is first used for muscle regeneration and then afterwards the rest that wasnt used for muscle is stored as bodyfat, the macronutrient thats most easily stored into bodyfat is fat because the body doesnt need to convert it into something else to be stored as bodyfat like it does with carbohydrates, this implies protein is the best macronutrient followed by carbs.
another factor is satiation, studies find that protein is the most satiating macronutrient, meaning if we want to feel full we must eat protein instead of carbs and fat, this is to avoid overeating which leads to calorie surplus and then we get fatter, the main problem is that not only is fat not as satiating as protein but also that fat is 8-9 calories per gram while protein and carbs are 3.5-4 calories per gram, meaning when we eat protein we are more satiated with lower amount of calories, while when we eat mostly fat we consume more calories and its less satiating than protein.

overall its true that fat is necessary for our bodies to function, especially for energy and hormone production, with carbs/glucose being useful for energy and brain function.
every macronutrient is important for peak health, protein is the most important for an individual that spends a lot of time doing physical activity, as the muscle uses it.

>>16723007
protein for muscle and carbs for immediate energy is the formula for physical activity, protein is necessary for building muscle, while carbloading is a known practice for marathon runners.
high protein high carb diet is the most popular for bodybuilders, i dont really trust "bodybuilders" that say they eat high fat diet (sticks of butter, animal lard etc) with minimal protein and no carbs

>>16723007
>The virgin calculator versus the chad instinct.
>Virgin: relies on science because he doesn't sense his needs.
>Chad: eats naturally like an animal.
>Virgin: puts his body on a schedule like it's a predictable machine.
>Chad: goes with the flow.
>Virgin: 3 sets of 8 reps with 80% RM micro-tearing 2 grams per pound of bodyweight.
>Chad: burn baby burn.
>Virgin: consoom fast absorbing whey protein shake to optimize window of recovery.
>Chad: waits for the barbecue to start.
Too lazy for pictures.

>>16723022
>>The virgin calculator versus the chad instinct.
thats not an argument

>>16723025
It is if you think about it. If eating according to the best science doesn't make you feel like a rearing stallion then there will be little to none adaptive stimulus or caloric deficit.

>>16723031
you can discipline yourself on your own time
we can empirically prove what food is healthy for you, so your diet should be made up of those foods.
if you need a calorie deficit or surplus then just decrease/increase the portions.

>>16723036
You're conflating prescription and description. Healthy people will tend to eat in a particular way but eating in that particular way does not necessarily help unhealthy people get healthy.

>>16723045
what im referring to is the fact that we can empirically prove that vitamins are good for you
>we can empirically prove what food is healthy for you, so your diet should be made up of those foods.
its hard to tell what YOU are talking about because you seem ESL

>>16723048
>vitamins are good for you
That's a backwards mentality. All sorts of things appear good for us because we are deprived of those things so adding those things is a return to normal functioning. T

The attitude of good, better, optimal is delusional. To clarify: suppose there’s a thief that decides to go to church and follow the word of God. Now the thief is not stealing but at heart is still a thief. This hypocrisy creates conflict within the thief, increasing the urge to steal and depleting the will to restrain the urge: an unsustainable situation. What needs to happen is that the desire to steal gets burned out so that the thief doesn’t need to pretend anymore. Now instead of thief and word of God fill in for example obesity and science. No science is going to do any good if there's no internal shift. That internal shift can not be scheduled, calculated, disciplined like a virgin does. I'm pointing out the need for an uncalculated, intuitive approach.

>>16722632
>claim raw meat is healthy
>goes bald

>>16722531 (OP)
I'm mostly eating lentils (lentilles du Puy, the green ones), thai rice, a salad to end the fast (lettuce, tomato, bell pepper, onion, balsamic vinegar, olive oil and ground chia and flax seeds, sometimes some blue cheese). I like adding spices, like curcuma, ginger and so on. I rarely drink calories, and I eat meat only ounce per week. My grandma keep making cakes, so I'm still eating sugar, which is suboptimal. My diet is better than most, but it's still not optimized (I've got bad gut health, I reckon).
Don't believe the "eat nuts, it's good!" bullshit. There is too much omega-6 in them, making them easily problematic. Last year, I added them to my food, which increased my inflammation (e.g. seborrheic dermatitis), my sleep was poor, and my morale went to shit (especially when I started eating peanuts, which is about 15% omega-6 without any omega-3). I saw myself go downhill, thanks to meditation: at some point, I couldn't focus at all, it was horrible to do anything.

>>16723404
>curcuma
I meant turmeric.

>>16722531 (OP)
pretty sure humans ate whatever they could back then, so basically, just eat everything, but not one thing (unless that's your goal then you need to refine it).

I think I cured my arrhythmia and heart palpitations with keto after years of abusing stimulants. Might be wrong but 2-3 years after I stopped doing drugs it even got worse, then I cut all carbs and seed oils and in about a year my heart function became normal again. My doctor was surprised. I wasn't on any medication - I refused that.
I wasn't very overweight btw, maybe 15 pounds at most, but I was never a soda and junk food person, just not working out stopped being active for 2-3 years.

I might be wrong tho, this is not medical advice - just wanted to share my experience.

>>16723405
its the same thing

>>16722536
Best advice in the thread.
However something to consider is that when you are physically fit you will become much more attuned to your body's needs and your cravings will naturally more closely correspond to what your body needs.
Also if you are very physically active (8+ hours a day) you are going to eat TONS of extra carbs.

>>16724075
>when you are physically fit you will become much more attuned to your body's needs and your cravings will naturally more closely correspond to what your body needs
Correct.

>>16723406
But now we have the issue that we've polluted the world with chemicals and microplastics.

>>16722531 (OP)
this is my daily lunch, optimized for maximum health

>>16722531 (OP)

None. Eating is just protracted starvation/poisoning, just as life is just protracted death.

>>16724293
who eats fish with eggs

>>16722669
>Vegan Gains
One of the worst bodies I've ever seen, picrel.

>>16723025
>>>The virgin calculator versus the chad instinct.
>thats not an argument
No but the real argument is "Post Body".
.t /fit/fag.

>>16722531 (OP)
lmfaooo what a fucking retard nigger had to get cvd induced from his diet to realize that free lipid spikes from saturated fat causes cvd lmaoooooo

>>16722531 (OP)
Actually it depends on your genetics! Your family and your race.
There's healthier food for Caucasians or for Africans.
I have a friend that has very strong Italian genetics, and most of them tend to have high cholesterol.

But yeah, seed oil is the worst thing that has happened to us as a human race, is bad for absolutely everyone

>>16723405
Like the other anon said, it's the same thing. Anyway, turmeric/curcuma is great against inflammation and it's potency is multiplied when you add just a pinch of black pepper.

>>16726703
you first, Schwarzenegger

>the carnivore """""""""kid"""""""""
>is actually a 55 year old 5' manlet

>>16726658
>Eat greens
>Becomes green