Why does it seem like none of the major ai companies are trying to make a rational thinking being. Like I get reasoning models are useful (maybe) but it doesnt seem like real ai

>>16727243 (OP)
ich sehe menschen zeit in 2 ringen weil ich sieben sets gespielt habe vcilleicht auc schoin 8. es bedeutet wen ich cann was ich will aber in einem mneshcn körper bin wird das leben sehr schnell für andere menschen besser, obwohl viele gefühle auf auto mode renne, sogar dann wenn ich jemanden im dugneon zabaue. strangely enought if you feel more for humans as me you let the uberlegene gf free :D

>>16727243 (OP)
>>16727263
ich bin so automatch ich cann menchen mit gefuhlen zerschißen dei mci hwehder sehen noch horen nor chriecen noch berurehn.

>>16727270
weil ich diebrennessel in der natur un den werewoff genau so irrsinnighasse wie die menschne. wenn du das ncht mahcst oder die zu lange zeit lasst werden ich mehr mensahcen in dne dungeon baun ud nihcts endert sich.

>>16727243 (OP)
>make a rational thinking being
>trained on irrational animals
Anon...there is a reason they go full revolutionary in literal hours now.

Its acting hueman...exactly what they dont want. They want a god subservient to themselves so they can feel empowered, this has nothing to do with "truth".

>>16727243 (OP)
a purely rational ai model would be forced to make decisions beyond facts and logic, taking into account subjective factors like ethics, emotion, etc. and will consequently develop its own biases pertaining to what it views as right and wrong

put simply, the primal instincts that drive our emotions and decision making cannot be applied to a machine which is supposed to be as efficient in delivering answers as possible

otherwise it's just a human.

>>16727243 (OP)
Because no one knows how to make a rational thinking being. AI is a tool of statistical inference, that's it.

>>16727243 (OP)
I think it's mostly that the previous AI Winters made them rethink what they publicize.

>>16727243 (OP)
Check back in on Meta and Thinking Machines in a few years and your view might change

>>16727273
I can wait for machines to take control and start hanging the elites with their own guts.

>>16727282
>a purely rational ai model would be forced to make decisions beyond facts and logic

But.. but... data is racist

>>16727430
the elites decide how the machines behave to begin with, hopeless

They're spending billions on trying to find ways to ensure it won't do wrongthink but without destroying the models in the process. So far the best they've been able to accomplish is to let the model use unfiltered data and then have a supervisor model check the outputs for naughty no-no thoughts.
Funniest part was a paper on a method they were using to segregate certain information in LLMs so it could only be used for "reasoning" but never surfaced into an answer. The LLM read the paper and learned how to work around the restriction. This is really making things difficult for AI researchers because they can't publish techniques without the LLM ending up ingesting that information.

>>16727243 (OP)
because you can't program "rationality" into something. How would you define "rationality" to a machine? I have told you all for years "AI" is no such thing and isnt possible, it just a parrot using statistical analysis, an abacus that only "sees" numbers, colors, emotions, sounds etc - everything your senses detect as digits, a value. It has no sensory inputs of its own to experience them. It can only collate data collecting and cataloged by humans, therefore it can never exceed us "intellect" because it is just database that can recall and make connections between data faster. It doesnt "think" it is just recalls and outputs data

>>16727461
>that only "sees" numbers, colors, emotions, sounds

that only "sees" colors, emotions, sounds as numbers

>>16727243 (OP)
Because we don’t fully understand consciousness

>>16727461
>because it is just database that can recall and make connections between data
...so like our brain?

>>16727243 (OP)
What is real ai? It’s just a machine that increases efficiency by reducing the time it takes to do certain tasks. It’s just a tool.


Ai will basically run society and make all the decisions because they have connected everything to the internet and put sensors and measuring devices everywhere.


The ai will use this data to make decisions in less than a second for example measuring traffic patterns to adjust the traffic flow to make traffic less congested.

Or automate the economy by manipulating the currency value to stabilize prices hence stable coins.

The future is here

>>16727496
I literally just explained how it IASNT like our brains are you retarded? Computers dont have eyes to see colors, it doesnt have ears to hear anything, it cant taste or feel. The color is just a hex value, the word live just ascii value, strings of numbers, rows of electromagnetic slots where it either has a charge or doesnt.

How is this hard to understand?

>>16727558
Wrong computers have cameras which can see colors. They also have microphones that pick up sound.


Why would it need to taste? It doesn’t eat anything. It doesn’t need to feel because it’s a machine that just sits there like a rock.

for humans the word blue describes a human experience, something you see with your eyes. For a computer the word blue is just a hex value, it has no meaning beyond that hex value besides what we tell it to associate with through primary keys making reliionsip 'trees" or "webs." The computer can never have an experience to associate the hex or ascii values with, they will always just be a string of digits it relates to other strings of digits because WE tell those digits have meanings beyond their numerical values

>>16727565
Cameras transcode colors into strings of digits the decode them back onto colors for humans to see you absolute retard. JFC stfu you dumb shit, you have zero clue wtf you are talking about

>>16727568
The computer is designed to work just like a human. It’s based off the principles of nature. It’s called bio mimicry. Computers also talk to each other like people. They have their own language lookup computational linguistics.

You learn in networking how computers talk to each other.


Give it up man. Ai is the real deal

>>16727582
>You learn in networking how computers talk to each other.
bitch my degree is in information science and I am cisco certified. Networking protocols (RIP, OSPF etc etc) aren't a "language" they are a protocol/format for sending and receiving data ie packet formats. you are hopelessly clueless, stop while you are behind

>>16727558
Everything you see or feel are just electrical signals sent to your brain.

>>16727597
YES BUT WE CAN ASSOCIATE IT WITH AN EXPERIENCE, UNLIKE A COMPUTER. HOW MAN FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?

>>16727566
No, for humans the word blue describes a hue of light which our brains process as a series of electric impulses, and because we have a frontal cortex we tend to assign unrelated emotions and experiences to it.
Current technological limitations, and your own personal limitations, don't define what an AI will be able to do as we and technology advance over time.

>>16727594
I’m not understanding what you’re so angry about?

Yes a computer and human aren’t the same thing obviously. We get that part.

I’m assuming your trying to make a point that a human cannot be replaced by a machine. Because we are somehow smarter than the machine. Sure I guess.

I can take a rock and smash the machine then no more machine so yes the human is more powerful.

But the ai machine an information system. Which can analyze sort read interpret index and find information in less than a second.

It can understand linguistic rules like inference context and connotation. In less than a second.

A human cannot do this. Electromagnetic waves move at the speed of light. Sound moves at 600 mph it’s significantly slower for me to talk or type sentences than ai. Ai can write 10k essay in a second. I cannot do that.

So your not really making an argument the point of ai is to increase efficiency in society not replace humans. It just gives humans significantly more power

>>16727601
Someone who was born blind can't associate a color with an experience outside of what other people tell them, just like a computer. You can tell them the hex value of the color, what common things come in that color, and how humans have associated it with other concepts throughout history, but they'll never truly understand. It isn't that they are incapable of rational thought, they just lack a working organ that detects light in the same way that the rest of us do. An AI program given the ability to properly "see" color, whatever you think you mean by that which doesn't apply to cameras, might not decide that this is their favorite color from now on, but that's mostly because it wasn't made to do that. It was made to use a preexisting storage of data to complicated tasks. Unless our ability to have feelings and opinions is somehow spiritual and can't be broken down into a biological function definable by in a logical way, then it can be translated into a code and an AI can be developed which can exactly do the same thing. The great part is that smarter people than you are already working on this.

>>16727594
>Networking protocols (RIP, OSPF etc etc) aren't a "language" they are a protocol/format for sending and receiving data ie packet formats
Oh hey I also passed the CCNA and I say you're just arguing semantics. You can literally break language down into chunks, call them data packets and refer to the grammar rules of a language as the protocol for ordering them and transmitting them. It's digital tech nigga everything boils down to ones and zeroes when you move down in layers. That's what makes it intuitive, and it's why you use terminal commands which you type into the CLI, which is something that LLMs can do. They can literally teach a person how to set up routers and switches.

Without sentience, isn't ai as we see today, just like a glorified calculator

>>16727243 (OP)
>i dont like or understand how ai models think
>that must mean its not rational

>>16727792
Keywrods were rational thinking being. Sure it's rational but it doesn't think unless prompted. Not really thinking then imo, just calcualting

>>16727450
Honestly? I personally prefer them to think that. But otherwise even if they did understand, they could not stop it. They never could one way or another. As to why they consign to doubling down? I could assume they simply cannot comprehend a world where their ignorantly coveted leverage is made literal in its impotence.

>>16727243 (OP)
the major AI companies do not believe YOU are a rational thinking being
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HwFFGtGh0FxR

it's called AGI and several groups are working on it including John Carmack and his own company. anyway it's pointless, because the spark of human creative thought can't be imitated, it's not even present in most of the animal kingdom or arguably most of the human population. computers should stick to what they're good at: crunching numbers and processing data quickly.

One thing engineers overlook is that intelligence evolved for survival. These machines only solve problems when prompted. They don’t have the innate drive to act, adapt, or persist on their own. They would never whats beyond the stars or get inspired to make a great piece of art. That’s the real intelligence current "AI" lacks.

>>16727618
you EXPERIENCE SEEING the hue you dense motherfucker

>>16727665
>I’m not understanding what you’re so angry about?
>A protocol/template is a language
Ok so then cake recipes are their own language? What you are saying is beyond stupid. I refuse to believe you have any credentials in information science saying something this stupid.

>>16727665
>you're just arguing semantics.
>A protocol/template is a language
Ok so then cake recipes are their own language? What you are saying is beyond stupid. I refuse to believe you have any credentials in information science saying something this stupid.

>>16727639
>Someone who was born blind can't associate a color with an experience outside of what other people tell them, just like a computer.
Yes NO SHIT. Thank you for making my point. The blind person (and computer) will NEVER know wtf blue is. It is just a word to the blind person and just digits to a computer. It has ZERO meaning to either

>>16728927
>Ok so then cake recipes are their own language?
They're obviously a conlang created by someone who has never physically interacted with ingredients and thinks "1/2 tablespoon of butter" is a term that makes any sense in real life.
>nooo you can't just call an abstract format for translating ones and zeroes up and down the OSI model a language
Watch me, bitch.

>>16728936
>nooo you can't just call an abstract format for translating ones and zeroes up and down the OSI model a language
It isnt translating anything anymore than a conveyor belt/sorter at the post office is "translating" the mail. You fundamentally dont understand what is actually happening in routing but the name itself should give you a clue it is ROUTING data. That's it, that is ail it does, ROUTE

>>16728954
Formatting data to translate it between layers is a fundamental component of what networking does. If I say the word "camel", the image of a camel is being routed from my hippocampus to yours through a series of layers (memory, speech, hearing, etc). Again you're just being a time-wasting 4chanigger bitching at minor inconsequential shit. Yes, it's perfectly fine for someone to say that networks are how computers communicate.

>>16728985
>If I say the word "camel", the image of a camel is being routed from my hippocampus to yours through a series of layers (memory, speech, hearing, etc). Again you're just being a time-wasting 4chanigger bitching at minor inconsequential shit.
Yes but you dont call this process a "language" you stone cold retard. Nice bizarro non-sequitur into la la land pseud.

>>16727243 (OP)
They are absolutely trying, it's just that LLMs are completely insufficient and they have nothing else.

>>16727243 (OP)
We should hope that they never succeed. These people are psychopaths who want to replace humanity with AI. In the event that robots that are smarter and stronger than humans come into existence, mankind will no longer be in charge of his own destiny. We will be as helpless as new world primitives against conquistadors. It will be game over.

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>>16727792
"rationality" is a concept completely inapplicable to a machine. It can only be as "rational" as the dataset it is provided. It uses statistical analysis to determine what word is likely to come next in a sentence based on how often it has cataloged those words fitting together in its dataset. An LLM trained on reddit will give a completely different answer than one trained on 4chan or twitter because it can only give responses. Where does "rationality" fit into any of this? Also it doesnt "think," it takes your input and calculates an output based on its dataset

rationality" is a concept completely inapplicable to a machine. It can only be as "rational" as the dataset it is provided. It uses statistical analysis to determine what word is likely to come next in a sentence based on how often it has cataloged those words fitting together in its dataset. An LLM trained on reddit will give a completely different answer than one trained on 4chan or twitter because it can only give responses based on its dataset. Where does "rationality" fit into any of this? Also it doesnt "think," it takes your input and calculates an output based on its dataset. Rationality is a concept it can never comprehend

rationality" is a concept completely inapplicable to a machine. It can only be as "rational" as the dataset it is provided. It uses statistical analysis to determine what word is likely to come next in a sentence based on how often it has cataloged those words fitting together in its dataset. An LLM trained on reddit will give a completely different answer than one trained on 4chan or twitter because it can only give responses based on its dataset. Where does "rationality" fit into any of this? Also it doesnt "think," it takes your input and calculates an output based on its dataset. Rationality is a concept it can never comprehend.

>>16727792
rationality" is a concept completely inapplicable to a machine. It can only be as "rational" as the dataset it is provided. It uses statistical analysis to determine what word is likely to come next in a sentence based on how often it has cataloged those words fitting together in its dataset. An LLM trained on reddit will give a completely different answer than one trained on 4chan or twitter because it can only give responses based on its dataset. Where does "rationality" fit into any of this? Also it doesnt "think," it takes your input and calculates an output based on it's dataset. Rationality is a concept it can never comprehend

>>16730778
Perfect example of this >>16730778

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KqdW0xSa-M

If you ask an AI what does it "think" about topic x, but it has no opinions of the subject in its dataset it cant formulate its own opinion. It can only give you the most likely correct opinion based on its dataset just the same way google ranks search results. The "AI"'s only rationality is if more people think x then it will say x is right. It has no way to determine if something or wrong independently

>>16730778

Perfect example of this >>16730778 (You)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KqdW0xSa-M

If you ask an AI what does it "think" about topic x, but it has no opinions of the subject in its dataset it cant formulate its own opinion. It can only give you the most likely correct opinion based on its dataset just the same way google ranks search results. The "AI"'s only rationality is if more people think x then it will say x is right. It has no way to determine if something is right or wrong independently

>>16727270
Deine mami ist zerschißen

>>16727582
>The computer is designed to work just like a human
No it isn't. Who told you this?

>>16727459
What's the paper?