>/sci/ is filled entirely with /pol/ and /x/ schizo retards asking school advice, health advice, shitting on scientists, denouncing basic laws of nature due to retardation, just started taking x am i going to die, youtube links, or "how does this work" and it's just a basic ass concept

what happened? is there any method of recovering from this influx of trash? we're hitting grim levels that shouldn't be possible.

>>16728261 (OP)

Can you give some examples of such people in each category? I don't believe you.

>>16728261 (OP)
I talk shit to it...you faggots bow down in silence. You all condone constant troll posting BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE. Not two sides...one side. These shitbag run your society, governments, schools, media...all of it.

THIS IS YOUR FAULT.

>>16728264
She is an undercover Colombian police agent. She uploads illegal child material to imageboards to blame users for fake crimes and try to take down websites.
She has multiple VPN accounts and uses LLM to generate mass messages.

>>16728261 (OP)
by design

>>16728261 (OP)
it was on purpose, pre 2020 it was mediocre but nowhere as bad

Look at this spastic, ultra low IQ, constantly lying, jackass....and you faggots LOVE his antics.
>>16728275
In fact, if I talk too much shit to him...you tell ME to shut up, never him.

>>16728286
>it was on purpose
Yeah, so fucking apologize you worthess "good person". Demons run everything in this world BECAUSE OF YOU.

t.God

>>16728289
you deserve to be schizophrenic
>>16728261 (OP)
>is there any method of recovering from this influx of trash?
no, the moderation is happy with the state of affairs

>>16728261 (OP)
What could have possibly happened that made people lose trust in science?

>>16728261 (OP)
Don't forget the absolute infestation of iqfags here who probably aren't capable of finding their own asshole

>>16728261 (OP)
You forgot iq thread spam

There are no stupid question, be humble.

Pursuing a career in Science is enough to drive anyone mad.

>>16728309
>the moderation is happy
You are too, this is why you "lol u cwayzee" instead of adress the issue...YOU.

Appatethetic self pity, resignation of subversion...you WANT to be subverted for "woe is me" points. Let me guess...you dont have a Doctorate, in anything, do you?...how did I know youre just a "fan" of science and not scientist? Because you LARP a minor note in the same song as trolling retards.

>>16728309
>schizophrenic
>>16728275
This is as Schizophrenic. LARPs a genuine interest then flips 180 degrees and contradicts himself, the whole thing was a bait for confrontation and not even he consciously knew it, he has no "side or point", just chaotic projection of ego and emotions. Like a cat breaking things for attention.

Youre not a Doctor. Your a "fan" of the midwit ones you fancy yourself as "basically par" with.

>>16728261 (OP)
>Nooo, you can't shit on scientists! That's blasphemy!
You don't even realize what you are, do you? Talking shit about scientists is a fundamental component of science, retard.

>>16728341
>Talking shit about scientists is a fundamental component of science,
Incorrect. Talking well thought out shit about scientists is a fundamental concept of science.
Schizo ramblings that suggest a misunderstanding of basic concepts do not constitute such a thing.
Most /sci skeptics should dive deep in to the fields and concepts they criticize, if their skepticism remains, good, they now have the tools and understanding to change the field and contribute to science. A generic STEM undergrad degree from an unknown college, "research" consisting of youtube videos and skimming abstracts of papers does not make you an expert on arbitrary scientific topics.

>>16728396
>replies with credentialism
Go fucking figure. You should pay more attention to what is said than what you believe was said.

>>16728404
You're the one who invoked credentialism, retard. To wit
>>16728341
>You don't even realize what you are, do you? Talking shit about scientists is a fundamental component of science, retard.
No, scientists talk shit about what other scientists say. Not shit flinging ad hominem attacks on the character of the scientists themselves. Understand the difference?

>>16728261 (OP)
I do agree with this post. However physics and mathematics are very rigorous subjects. Most people don’t have the adequate knowledge and education to understand these subjects Properly. The Technical language used in physics requires a very high literacy level.

To understand these subjects at an advanced level you literally have to come from an elite or a high socioeconomic background

It also requires a lot of work by reading books and studying which most people don’t have the patience and attention span, and stability in their life to achieve

It’s a great luxury to have knowledge at very high levels and by no means normal.

So I expect the schizo rambling. Because that’s normal because most people don’t spend hours studying these subjects and it’s also quite boring to most people.

I dont think being smart or well educated is particularly useful skill or so it’s nothing to brag about who’s smarter. Or be condescending to others. Everyone isn’t the same doesn’t mean they are stupid

>>16728261 (OP)
/sci/ was good for the first 2 weeks it existed, then it got raided by /b/ and they never left.
/sfg/ has been the only thing of value here for a very long time.

>>16728404
I didn't reply with credentialism. If /sci skeptics want to criticize properly, they should understand the topics they are criticizing. And that's why I said that a generic STEM undergrad degree, youtube research and skimming papers does not make you an expert on arbitrary scientific topics.
You don't need even to go to a good college or any college at all to become an expert on a topic, but it is unlikely an average /sci shitposter has the discipline to pull that off.
I don't have knowledge on a breadth of scientific topics, but there are ones I do know a bit about.
Every single time some /sci skeptic posts a thread on such a topic where I have knowledge on, the poster either demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of rudimentary concepts or you can tell they know enough to know what they are saying is blatantly wrong and it's a bait thread.

>>16728410
>be me
>specifically say blasphemy
>this somehow makes the entire post illegible
You understood nothing of what I said, and specified that which required no specification.

>>16728419
It's the only thing of value here

>>16728425
>You should pay more attention to what is said than what you believe was said.
Thanks for pointless reply.
There is no such thing as a point source.

>>16728334
The trash posters are not pursuing a career in science, let alone a higher education degree

>>16728419
I liked it back in 2015, didn't even have Tooker back then

>>16728436
i'd take tooker any day of the week over these retarded schizos we have today. at least tooker is actually clever and produces OC

>>16728261 (OP)
>what happened?
4chan has been targeted by various interests promoting far-right extremism for more than a decade.
What you are witnessing is late-stage brain rot.

>>16728454
> 4chan has been targeted by various interests promoting far-right extremism for more than a decade.


What proof do you have of this? Besides talking out of your ass.

>>16728463
Prove that you actually care enough for me to put in the effort.

>>16728463
>asking for proof when the correct response is to point and laugh because "far-right extremists"
Can't wait for "far-center extremists."

>>16728261 (OP)
/sci/ is a 4chan board, and /pol/ is the centerpiece of 4chan ever since the first trump election
you're not attracting /sci/-related posters from off-site, you're attracting /pol/tards who want to make 'science'-adjacent posts
if you're not american, seek forums in your own language; if you are american, then sorry bro, get used to discussing vaccines and trannies, because that's all your sociocultural landscape is now

>>16728473
Things that are common and accepted discourse on this site
>(Neo) Nazi posting
>White supremacist posting
>Le woman stupid and inferior
>All women are untrustworthy sluts
>(((Science))) am I right?
>Calling for death of all {insert race here}
>etc.
4chan always used to have fringe beliefs and opinions, but it was across the whole spectrum of weirdness and misanthropy. Now and since about 10 years, it's just a right wing echo chamber. In the current state of the internet, that is unfortunately the inevitable outcome of a website that tolerates many forms of speech.

>>16728261 (OP)
It is multifaceted. The biggest one though is that some jannies are complicit. Replace them with level headed ones and you'll see a change overnight. Unfortunately, the talent pool is slim when there is no pay.

>>16728503
There would be plenty of volunteers to moderate their favourite boards
They have janny recruitment posts regularly - you don't get selected if you're not part of their little discord circlejerk about american culturewar

>>16728492
>a website that tolerates many forms of speech.
Imagine a form of speech so good that it defeats all other forms of speech in a market. Imagine a form of speech so bad that it only thrives in safe spaces and other kinds of censorship environments.

>>16728560
Imagine a race of men that outbreeds all other races of men in society. Imagine a race of me so impotent that it only thrives in segregated and other artificially supported environments

>>16728564
At first I was like lol but then I was like lmao because all the things mentioned by >>16728492 are actually eugenic instead of the dysgenic joke you seem to make.

shilling has become a big problem in 4chins in the last 5+ years, for some reason moderation doesn't seem to address this and some time kind of protects it, we're at the point where obvious shills will report and get you banned for opposing their shillery
hopeless

>>16728560
The quality of a mode of discourse is not derived from its capacity to drown out other forms of discourse.
Imagine two people having a civilized debate, but then at one point in the debate one person starts screaming as loud as they can when the other person talks, until the debate ends. At that point, one form of speech has defeated the other and is thus a good form of speech by your logic.
There is a balance between censorship and free speech. Too much censorship creates echo chambers, but absolute free speech, especially in an anonymous setting, needs to have a very diverse userbase to foster a forum of quality discussion. Without such a userbase, one extremist mode of thought will always end up dominating and also create an echo chamber.

>>16728600
Oh boy...
...ironically as an anon you are talking like any other public figure who just can't seem to hear anything over the sound of their moral and intellectual superiority. You seem not only unwilling but actually incapable of considering the possibility that the people you look down on are screaming louder because they are not being heard by the likes of you.

There might be reasons other than attention economy, stupidity, political interests and the like for why /pol/ and /x/ and /r9k/ type of behavior and opinions have gained so much traction. One such reason might be that these opinions are actually valid but can't or won't be validated by scientists...
...yet.

>>16728600
>>16728600
>a very diverse userbase to foster a forum of quality discussion.
Since social media have lessened their censorship now even well-known public figures all over the world are openly giving credit to all sorts of ideas that were considered conspiracy theories, misinformation, grifting, trolling, far-right extremism and the like just a few years ago. So the argument that such views only thrive in small echo chambers is vanishing like snow on a hot sunny day. Now the status quo is forced to negotiate these views on all sorts of societal issues in all horizontal and vertical domains of society. That's democracy, that's honest consensus seeking, but those who think the masses are just retarded moneys who should listen to the big brains only want democracy and consensus within their own narrowly defined paramaters of what is good for others which is basically some kind of oligarchy masquerading as a technocracy.

>the masses are just retarded monkeys
yes

>>16728666
This, groupthink runs strong. If there are extreme members of a group (e.g. stormfront troons in 2012/2013 and gamergate faggots in 2014) then they will gradually pull all other members out of the group or further to the extreme (starting around 2014/2015, heightened by Trump's right wing populism in the US)

>>16728652
>So the argument that such views only thrive in small echo chambers is vanishing like snow on a hot sunny day.
I never made that argument so I won't adress this.
>Now the status quo is forced to negotiate these views on all sorts of societal issues in all horizontal and vertical domains of society. That's democracy, that's honest consensus seeking,
There is merit there. A status quo should be as such because it is good, not because it was already the status quo.
>but those who think the masses are just retarded moneys who should listen to the big brains only want democracy and consensus within their own narrowly defined paramaters of what is good for others which is basically some kind of oligarchy masquerading as a technocracy.
In an ideal world, I am democratic. In our world
>most people haven't the attention span to properly inform themselves
>most people don't have the determination to properly confront themselves with information that challenges their view, because it is uncomfortable
>most people are unaware of how the discourse online is shaped not solely organically, but also by nation actors and interest groups
>most people lack the knowhow/willingness on how to judge different kinds of sources against each other
>most people are unable to think through long-term complex issues in a nuanced manner

Call me blackpilled, but I am of the opinion that our world has become too complex and our consumption of information too lazy to say that the majority of people are able to vote in the best interest of themselves or society. This is very patronizing, I'm saying people cannot make the best decision for themselves, but unfortunately I think it is more true than we desire. I don't have a solution either, a technocracy is not necessarily better, centralizing control comes with a number of other issues.
A solution would have to revolve around changing the media landscape I imagine.

>>16728701
Let's set aside any debate about what's true/false, who's right/wrong, what's better/worse because what's more important is how we solve our differences. We're not going to solve our differences by educating, moralizing, disciplining or otherwise forcing ourselves and others into some kind of ideal because that's a recipe for conflict. No obese person has ever lost weight by learning the science or the virtues of eating healthy in moderation.

That's one trap and you don't seem to appreciate another trap we find ourselves in: we are born, raised, educated and informed in a society otherwise known as a structure of incentives organized by the powers that be who obviously are not interested in maximizing human wellbeing and therefore we must be skeptical of anything we think we know.

>>16728758
take meds schizo

This has turned into a echo chamber. The academics will “academic” in their corner, and the /pol/acks will just /pol/ack in theirs. Nothing ever happens.

>>16728855
>Nothing ever happens.
discord groups and/or shills shilling is what happens

>>16728261 (OP)
>what happened?
This board has been nothing but hacks and pseuds since day one. You are just complaining because the hacks and pseuds have different political opinions than the ones you were brainwashed to have. I am probably the only person in this thread with an actual STEM degree and consequently 99.9% of the time the only person on this board that ever actually knows what they are talking about

> I am probably the only person in this thread with an actual STEM degree and consequently 99.9% of the time the only person on this board that ever actually knows what they are talking about

Yet you never see me complain about the leftypol tumblr and reddit troons posting their retarded nonsense here. You know why> Because I welcome debate and will take on all comers and defeat them with the facts. Whereas you yourself are a hack and pseud who prefers to whine and cry your hug box is no longer a safe space from ideas and truths that go against your programming

>>16728264
>Can you give some examples of such people
you, /x/ schizo
good bait btw

>>16728261 (OP)
It's a slow board so there's no real issue with "bad" threads crowding out "good" threads. You could post a good thread but you won't. Instead you'll add one more bad thread to the board whining about no one entertaining you with good threads. The lack of quality you decry is due to too many people like you here, wanting to be entertained by the efforts of others, while you contribute nothing but noise. You are the prototypical IFLS! consumer, throwing a fit because you aren't getting your dopamine receptors stimulated by the work of others.

i try to be the change i want to see sometimes. like in
>>16726618
i genuinely tried to give a well developed answer to a question that gets asked far more than it's answered
>>16726970
...
>>16727045
i hope someone gets something out if it. i get something out of it by better developing my thoughts, getting feedback, and being exposed to alternative ideas

the mods and jannys don't prune the off topic garbage and issue bans for the stuff that actually needs it, so it this is a cesspool 99.9% of the time