Thread 16728485

Forcing people to learn this is a form of physical abuse. It's a massive waste of brain capacity which then isn't available for useful things. This is like children in radical islamic countries being forced to memorize and recite the Quran. Forcing people to learn garbage like these stone age symbols is a exercise of power. It's to dominate your subjects and break them into submission. It also shows the incredible things the human brain is capable of - but all of that potential is wasted - and that's the whole point. It's to abuse you, degrade your mental capabilities, handicap you and shape your brain by force for you are nothing more than a slave.

How the fuck do chinks cope with having the most backward language and script forced on them for the sake of oppression and saving face? This is why China will never be a power, not even a regional one. A caveman language is also what held back the subhuman Krauts and made them inferior in every regard to anglo countries who have the world's most advanced and efficient language and alphabet.

>>16728485 (OP)
>American thinks learning a language restricts, rather than enhances one's mental abilities, and moreover views even the most basic and fundamental education as child abuse.

>>16728485 (OP)
filtered lol

>>16728498
t. coping chinksect

>>16728498
>brownoid/euroid thinks his mess of grunts and scribbles constitute a “language”

>>16728485 (OP)
Imagine thinking learning the language of your actual ancestry is physical abuse when your Zionist masters force you to go to school and live with niggers who will beat the shit out of you for talking smart.

>>16728485 (OP)
Chink hieroglyphics are pretty dope, actually. They've been recording written records since before Westerners had a fucking written language. They have records so old that even they aren't sure how to read them anymore....unless I made that up it's totally true.

>>16728485 (OP)
>tens of thousands

there are only about 6 thousand

>>16728540
Most of Chinese history is fucking fake, falsified hundreds or thousands of years later
>writings dating back to the time of Jesus
>BUT the earliest fiction is from AD 1600
>terra cotta statues dating from the time of Jesus
>BUT with style, composition, level of detail incongruous with the period
>invented paper, gunpowder, rockets
>BUT shocked and confused when Westerners bring this inventions “back” centuries later
Chinese history is basically a series of transparent hoaxes, so that every emperor form Ch’ing to Mao could We Wuz a different fantasy kingdom. In truth the ancient Chinese were White men who became overrun with nonwhites, buried and covered up, Planet Of The Apes style. It’s why they don’t let you open old tombs or excavate, any authentic finds would only incriminate them and probably lead to a revolution and mass executions (again)

>>16728540
>They have records so old that even they aren't sure how to read them anymore
You mean kind of like Egyptians, upon whose culture much of Western culture built?

Imagine being forced to write horizontally.

>>16728551
Yeah cause you see so many PYRAMIDS all over the place right?

>>16728553
>Reducing the entire culture to a single style of building
You're too stupid for me to engage any further.

>>16728485 (OP)
it's one of the few things that manage to be even worse than the arabic vs roman numbers

>>16728501
Just because you can walk with pebbles in your shoe doesn't mean you should.

>>16728550
Chink history fits on a single line: 10000 years of slavery. That's it. There was only 1 "interesting" moment they always talk about and that's where 3 thugs fought each other for power until 1 of them killed the others. Nothing happened for 10000 years. Chink emperors spent all their time in their harem in their closed off slave city, when they weren't torturing chinks for fun, and then one day European gunboats showed up to ruin the fun.

>>16728574
>common writing system equally intelligible to Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Chinese from all regions
>until the 20th century when jewish Communists travelled there to persuade to each of their governments to change it

>>16728596
>>common writing system equally intelligible to Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Chinese from all regions
This has never been true, and especially not by the 20th century.

>>16728623
literally every society society begins to degrade upon contact with judaism who in their right mind would bother denying this

>>16728637
????
You said that the writing system is "equally intelligible to Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Chinese from all regions", which was and is blatantly false.
Your opinion on Jews is not relevant.

>>16728540
>They have records so old that even they aren't sure how to read them anymore
Then what good are they?

>>16728650
what, because 猪肉 versus 豚肉? how about you not jewsplain your headcanon caricature of my own culture back to me

>>16728662
Oh shit, a proper East Asian diaspora (?) schizo, yeah I'm out.

>>16728485 (OP)
>It's a massive waste of brain capacity which then isn't available for useful things
it's more likely to find this form of writing system in a society with very high spatial abilities since the costs is proportionally much less than for those with low spatial sbilities.

>>16728485 (OP)
Filtered by animal sigils.

>>16728485 (OP)
Exactly, we should focus on memorizing actually important things, like corporate logos

>>16728553
china is covered in pyramids

There are a few other versions of this theory out there but have you ever heard about how the book of genesis shares freaky similarities with chinese characters and ideographs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS-sKQwB-fc

>>16728485 (OP)
>It's a massive waste of brain capacity which then isn't available for useful things.
That assumes that's how the human brain works.
>How the fuck do chinks cope with having the most backward language and script forced on them for the sake of oppression and saving face?
I understand the case for the script being backwards, but what's wrong with the language itself?
>A caveman language is also what held back the subhuman Krauts
What's wrong with German?
>the world's most advanced and efficient language
Most efficient language is probably Malay/Indonesian.
>and alphabet.
Tough. Though. Thought. Through. Plough.

>>16728513
The Chinese were writing poetry when your ancestors (and mine as well, I'll hasten to add) were running around the forests of Europe wearing woad.

>>16728541
An unabridged dictionary will have about 50,000 but a highly educated native speaker will generally know 10,000 at absolute most and often more like 6,000 to 8,000.

>>16728596
Except for the fact that most people couldn't read or write at all. The reason Chu Quoc Ngu was able to replace Chu Nom was because only a tiny minority of Vietnamese were ever literate in Chinese characters.

>>16728821
>>and alphabet.
>Tough. Though. Thought. Through. Plough.
that's what happens when a written language ossifies at a certain point in time with a certain standardised idea of what english sounds like only for radical shifts to render everything a mess

>>16728837
Honestly, the biggest issue is the unpredictability. Like, <iCV> spelling /aJ/ is not in and of itself bad, since the mapping of symbols to sounds is arbitrary, what's bad is that you can't predict a word's pronunciation from its spelling reliably. I think the best spelling reform would be regularizing the existing system in the direction of spelling -> pronunciation.

>>16728795
Holy shizo babble. Either retardation or good trolling.
>>16728821
>Most efficient language is probably <random turdie backwater>
Seeing as you don't even know what's wring with Chinese or German: Big doubt.

>>16728862
I know quite a bit about Chinese and German, I'm asking what you personally think is wrong with them, since nobody can seem to agree on what's a positive trait and what's a flaw.

>>16728862
That specific vido was the most schizo I could find with the whole megachurch style pastors.

but the theory is actually quite interesting and explored by a few others

>>16728840
The problem I think would be that different spellings are used to differentiate homophones like our/are

>>16728868
Even if you were to completely rebuild the system from the ground up, that would still be the case within any given dialect, unless you just gave up on representing any dialect outside of a single standard. For example, for most English-speakers, "toe" and "tow" sound the same, but for Scottish people they sound different, same with "fir" and "fur". For most Americans, "cot" and "caught" sound the same, while for most Brits "caught" sounds the same as "court". Unless you give up on having a unified system for English at all, for any given speaker some differently-spelled words will be pronounced the same.

>>16728485 (OP)
hasn't it been shown that people tend to immediately recognize words as whole units instead of letters? how is this any different?

>>16728898
You can but you can still read it if you don't and nobody forces you.

>>16728485 (OP)
They're easy lol. You're just retarded.

>>16728485 (OP)
no such thing as "waste of brain capacity"
your brain is like a muscle — the more you strain it, the more potent it becomes. nowhere in the european world do you see nations become less smart upon adopting a more complicated language. in fact you see the simplification of language over time and you could certainly postulate that people were smarter in the past

>>16728903
japs have furigana and sylabic scripts to make that part easier

>>16728485 (OP)
chinks don't want you to know this but it's like 500 symbols max repeated over and over. The wingding system has held their development back so far that they literally can't invent new words.

>>16728898
Yes, but a phonetic script lets you recognize a word the first time you see it, so you can teach yourself to recognize it as a unit.
>>16728973
First you'd have to define what constitutes being more or less complex overall for a language.

>>16729083
Chinese characters =/= words, and in any case they can still compose new word out of existing characters, use characters for their sound to transcribe a word that has no characters, and in a few exception cases invent entirely new ones (e.g. the characters for the chemical elements).

>>16729083
我的阴茎很硬,但水疗中心太远了

>>16728973
>knows nothing about the brain
>chinks unironically defending this
kek insects

>>16728485 (OP)
wait until you see how Japanese is
> 3 writing systems: Hiragana, Katakana and Kanji
> All derived from Chinese characters, but from different branches
> Thousands os Kanjis, each of them as multiple different pronunciations depending on the context
Japanese is way harder than Chinese, and yet nips are smart af. I would say having a difficult language might stimulate children's brains more, making them smarter.

>>16729208
I'll note Japanese Braille is phonetic. As is Chinese Braille.

>>16729208
>Hiragana, Katakana
>let's make them share the same character but it maps to two different sounds
>lets give these almost identical characters vastly diffeent readings

overall I think I dislike katakana more because of the tsu/ttsu/shi similarities

>>16728822
>The Chinese haven't evolved in millenia

>>16729265
Where did I say that?

>>16729266
I mean it's true, while the people of Europe went from running around the forests to colonizing the world, the Chinese stayed pretty much the same

>>16729269
And the whole inventing paper thing? And gunpowder? And the compass? And printing?

>>16729271
All accomplished a long time ago, before the stagnation

>>16729275
And when exactly do you think this stagnation happened?

>>16729276
Idk, when did the chinese stop inventing shit?

>>16729278
Well, the most recent invention listed here is from 2021:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

>>16729282
Wow a slightly innovated reactor

>>16729284
And electronic cigarettes, and a non-invasive test for Down's Syndrome, and several other things, just in the past few decades. They're still inventing things.

>>16729285
>It is commonly stated that the modern e-cigarette was invented in 2003 by Chinese pharmacist Hon Lik, but tobacco companies had been developing nicotine aerosol generation devices since as early as 1963.[113]

>>16729286
So there were earlier prototypes but he actually made something usable. That's saying nothing about all the other inventions. I can't help but feel like you're moving the goalposts.

>>16728485 (OP)
>This is why China will never be a power, not even a regional one.
What decade are you posting from?

>>16729287
>In 1987, the FDA exercised jurisdiction over products analogous to E-Cigarettes.[127]

>>16729289
And that is again one out of a long list, not addressing any of the other listed inventions.

>>16729290
The down's syndrome test is literally just a single paper from some chinese scientists, it never actually became a thing

>>16729292
And all the others, including those continuing through the 19th and early 20th centuries?

>>16728485 (OP)
1. 90% of education is training your brain in general. It doesn't matter what you learn, it's about having your brain develop intellectual skills in general. This is why school is filled with completely useless trivia like "mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell" and various trigonometric equations, and literally nobody cares. Imagine school being gym where you go and fuck around aimlessly and that's fine because your goal isn't to win powerlifting competition, but rather not to be comically obese. In this context, it doesn't matter what specifically you study, it's important that you study something. Chinks happens to study their complex writing system.
2. Chink writing system actually does make some sense. Our system works "idea -> sound -> graphical representation", but their system is much closer to "idea -> graphical representation", which means that even though it's more complex, it's easier to get a general idea of the sentence when you quickly look at it, because the brain doesn't need to take the scenic route of analyzing the sound of a word. Of course in practice there's a lot of bullshit in here because the system is horribly broken, but the general idea holds true. It's a bit like us writing numbers using digits instead of spelling them every single time. Or using emoji instead of spelling "I am sad"

>>16729294
>Our system works "idea -> sound -> graphical representation", but their system is much closer to "idea -> graphical representation"
Not really, 90% of Chinese characters are phono-semantic compounds, meaning one part indicating the approximate pronunciation and the other representing a general category of meaning.

>>16729293
So you're saying the stagnation happened in the early 20th century?

>>16729297
No? You have addressed only a couple of the inventions listed since 1912, and this is only the most notable ones anyway. There's also this separate article, which lists a couple dozen discoveries in the past ~century:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_discoveries

>>16729299
So when do YOU think the great Chinese stagnation happened, wikifag?

>>16729302
I don't think they've stagnated? They've been a significant major civilization for a long time, though they've gone through periods of greater or lesser flourishing.

>>16729303
Then how come all their modern inventions are trivial nonsense

>>16729308
How many earth-shattering American inventions from the past few decades can you name?

>>16729309
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions_(after_1991)

>>16729326
I said earth-shattering since that seems to be your standard, which most of these aren't.

>>16729327
What strikes you as a bigger technological accomplishment, the iPhone or non-invasive prenatal diagnostic testing for Downs syndrome

>>16729330
The latter. The iPhone certainly had a big cultural impact, but technologically speaking, it was basically combining things that people were already making computers do.

>>16729335
Hahaha yeah ok I can see why you think China's had significant development over the last 1000 years

>>16729344
NTA but he's completely correct there.
Thinking the iPhone is a "technological accomplishment" is just outing yourself as a midwit.
>t. "I F*ck*ng LOVE Scoience" tier redditor

>>16728787
The rabbit one looks like the party slug from Futurama

>>16729356
oh yeah creaming yourself over a non-invasive prenatal diagnostic test for down syndrome isn't IFLS at all

>>16729083
@Grok is this true?

The Chinese don't learn this, they use a simplified version where each symbol corresponds to a silab but it remains suboptimal compared to a classic alphabet

>>16729794
No, Simplified Chinese still has lots of cases where different characters correspond to the same syllable but have different meanings, though a few particularly complicated common characters are merged with simpler homophones.

>>16729083
https://youtu.be/M5pI5Dj5JTk?t=51m

>>16729309
making new races
t. amerimutt

>>16729282
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
Wheat gluten: The earliest description of wheat gluten comes from 6th century China.[485] It was widely consumed by the Chinese as a substitute for meat, especially among adherents of Buddhism.[486] The oldest reference to wheat gluten appears in the Qimin Yaoshu, a Chinese agricultural encyclopedia written by Jia Sixie in 535. The encyclopedia mentions noodles prepared from wheat gluten called bo duo. Wheat gluten was known as mian jin by the Song dynasty (960–1279).[485]

>>16729794
that’s not what simplified chinese is. simplified chinese is the same as the traditional system, just with small changes inserted almost at random. it isn’t actually any easier to learn either lol

>>16728485 (OP)
political/cultural differences and whatnot aside, I do imagine there's a higher learning curve for using keyboards compared to lat-lang. ofc then the arab numerals are kinda nice for being able to quickly glance at text and identify numbers from lettered text.

>>16730002
it breaks backwards compatibility.

>>16728485 (OP)
>Imagine being forced to learn tens of thousands of these symbols!
You know what a cat looks like...and its image means "cat".

You know tens of thosands of things, I dont understand what the issue is.

>>16729969
...your point being?

>>16730585
Most people type in Chinese by inputting the pronunciation in pinyin and selecting which characters they want. Nowadays the input methods are good enough that the computer can tell which one you want most of the time.

>>16730840
>pinyin
why not just switch to that?
>face saving culture
oh yea, can never admit you were wrong or something is bad haha

>>16730927
Probably just inertia at this point, honestly. Everything is already in Chinese characters, switching over would be a massive endeavor.

>>16728485 (OP)
do americans really? like, REALLY?

>>16728513
All language is grunts and scribbles. Are you retarded?

>>16729208
The worst part of Japanese is the spoken language. I don't even know how they even manage to communicate at all, they have so few sounds which results in insane numbers of homophones.

>>16730808
Chinese invented the plague of wheat gluten to punish white people who are allergic to it all over the world

>>16731301
People who are allergic to wheat gluten are allergic to it just naturally occurring in wheat, not only isolated.

>>16731118
A lot of Sino-Japanese vocabulary is mainly used in writing, not in ordinary speech, and in speech they express the same idea in different words.

>>16728513
>insect is proud of being stuck in a phase we left so early there's not enough corpus to study it properly

>>16728550
Fun shitpost but in that case where did the chinks come from before they zerged the "true Han"? They must have had a few dozen thousand years to evolve their distinct bleached negrito look, and it had to happen somewhere. We all know mixing does not work that way and would not result in their current appearance, not in such a short time span; on top of that there's a consistent gradient of phenotypes in that half of the world. If chinks didn't originally live there, why were the Americas packed full of their mutant cousins? For your theory to add up, "east asians" would have to evolve in America and then migrate back through Alaska, and you would have traces of that lost white civilization in China's neighbors.
To throw you a bone though, the Maori did recognize white people upon "first" contact and prophecied their return in their oral tradition. So some white presence in the Pacific would add up with that.

>>16728821
>That assumes that's how the human brain works.
yeah, let me spend something like a combined 5 years of my lifespan memorizing the entire extended periodic table of Nintendo's Pokemon or some other trivia while a control does something more productive with the time, i will totally outperform the control on practical tests, sure
you're literally an information theory denialist who believes in perpetual compression machines

>>16731370
it's crazy to think that europeans developed governing systems specifically designed to prevent selfish power and thwart single rulers, in greece, carthage, rome and many other places thousands of years ago while asiatics fell into a deep hole of despotism with no way out and stayed there forever as a domesticated race of slaves. it's a cautionary tale. it's why asians are so dangerous if they're allowed to spread in western countries.

>>16731375
Chinese characters aren't just arbitrary information useful for nothing else, once you have them to a basic level you can start reading and picking up more of them while also learning information about other things. They also help with vocabulary building much like Latin and Greek roots in English. So your analogy is not a very good one.

>>16729294
>coping this hard about the time he wasted in public school
i really pity you but please do not spread misinformation
>Chink writing system actually does make some sense
chink writing system makes zero sense to me at the moment, if there is a magic number of kanji above which it "clicks" i have clearly not crossed it yet
there are no redeeming qualities about chink writing besides the sort of broken translateability between languages, as in a jap and chink can technically communicate using paper without speaking one another's language, but all you have to do is read Duwang to see how that works out in practice

>>16731375
>>16731379
Also your argument ought to apply just as well to English spelling which, while not as bad as Chinese characters, is still a lot to memorize.

>>16731380
>chink writing system makes zero sense to me at the moment
Do you know what phono-semantic compounds are?