Two more weeks -edition

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Member Musk’s melties?

>>16729568
huh?

>>16729568
tell me more

Defund spaceflight and fire all government scientists. They should be employed feeding african americans instead. going to space is a colossal waste of money.

New Horizons did something cool:

>images of Proxima and Wolf 359 were captured by New Horizons’ Long Range Reconnaissance Imager (LORRI) and studied in relation to background stars. These twp stars are almost 90 degrees apart in the sky, allowing team scientists to flag New Horizons’ location.

>>16729573
You should go outside and think about what you did for even saying that in jest.

And what 4 billion miles of stellar parallax looks like.

Promima

Wolf 359

>>16729578
>>16729579
Grim.

>>16729578
The proxima system belongs to humans, you’d say, right?

Elon Musk = Peter Weyland

>>16729573
The Wizards of JPL are cool though.

>>16729578
At least you can tell

In Vintage Space, did you know the Apollo Lunar Rover had an Emergency Sundial? If every other navigation instrument stopped working, the astronaut could flip up a tiny gnomen and use the sun shadow to find his way to the LEM.

>>16729586
they are one of the worst examples

>>16729586
JPL talent has nearly completely migrated to the private sector. The entire campus should be bulldozed

>>16729575
Proxima, home.

>>16729590
Who in the private sector has landed a rover on Mars?
JPL has massive structural problems like NASA, but firing experts makes things worse. If Musk actually cared about Mars he would have done 100% of his 'Doge' shit on NASA and JPL. He could have unleashed the beast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYnpc5cr0_M

>>16729595
why does it make it worse? they go into the private sector, start companies (like handmer) and maybe even accomplish something

A sneak peek at the upcoming Space Shuttle display at Exposition Park in Los Angeles:

https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2025-07-19/2025071925-air-and-space-center-features-slides-revealing-view-of-space-shuttle

See it early before it's destroyed in the next earthquake.

>>16729600
this needs to be moved into Texas immediately and slowly get demolished on the way

>>16729595
One Mars lander every decade is not really raising the bar. In critical ways the Perseverence rover is less capable than Curiosity, costed more, and none of its samples will ever return to Earth. MSR architecture was unbelievably awful and no one disputes that.

https://x.com/amuse/status/1946919217577488507

maybe its the same dude that convinced Trump to get rid of Jared Isaacman as well, forgot his name already
Musk humiliated him in a cabinet meeting implying he was slow/ineffective

>>16729600
it's funny that nasa stole its engines from the museum and threw them in the ocean for the first and final sls flight

>>16729611
Musk is not very Machiavellian

>>16729598
Naive.
Being a brilliant engineer does not mean you are a good businessperson. They are actually negatively correlated. The best engineers are autistic and can't handle interpersonal conflicts. To have your business suceed you need to be a PR guy psychopath like Musk.
Apollo worked because they had an ensemble of tens of thousands of austistic wizards who were regimented like military formations and given tasks to work towards, the opposite of 'start your own business bro'.

>>16729616
He's extremely machiavellian but retarded. He usually gets away with it because people think he's an austistic savant or something.

>>16729623
And he obviously is. Fucks sake, it's painfully obvious that you don't belong here. Where did all of you goddamn tourists come from? Fuck off.

In true colour, Mars actually looks quite pretty. It still gives off the feel of an arid, dead world, but it's not the uniform orange blob that all of the images on Google present it as.

>>16729631
The Hope orbiter might have my favourite images from Mars. https://marsatlas.org/

Most other photos look unnatural or doctored but these look the most natural to me. I wish MRO released more images to the public.

>>16729629
? Been here longer than you jackass.
Musk is like Hitler. Smart charismatic machiavellian who makes some great calls but then develops a massive ego and thinks he can't make mistakes. This leads him to fuck up massively and publically many times until it falls apart. You can't disprove it because it's true.

>>16729623
Musk never loses

>>16729639
I can't disprove it because it's unfalsifiable, dipshit.

>>16729639
Hitler never made a mistake, not following your logic

>>16729611
The guy he got in a fist fight with, yeah
Same dude proposed NASA's budget cuts, which were so poorly thought out beyond bottom line percentage cut that that projected budgets for the next three years remained flat. That, despite budgets naturally shifting due to project completions and starts. These are not serious people

>>16729646
Hitler and his Generals grossly underestimated the Soviet's ability to reconstitute its army after their standing forces were annihilated in the opening phases of Barbarossa. They could not sustain the operations tempo needed to actually defeat the USSR with US and UK backing, and should have withdrawn to defensible lines rather than losing irreplaceable armies and equipment in holding actions because Hitler ordered men to their pointless deaths rather than lose a single yard without a fight.

>>16729646
in spring 1945 Hitler expected the Soviets to invade Czechia rather than rushing Berlin. So against advice he had panzer divisions moved to Czechia, just in time for the Soviets to sweep over the Oder and capture Berlin.
It's so silly that it's almost hard to beleive he made such a choice. But he had developed a belief that he was infallible.

>>16729617
well then they can work for someone
being at JPL doing fuck all is not good

>>16729639
you're retarded

>>16729650
>Hitler ordered men to their pointless deaths rather than lose a single yard without a fight.
Then he would allow them to fall back only when they were already deep in the process of being overrun and destroyed. And he would have them fall back to positions hwich had not been prepared.
The more I learn about the downfall the less I respect Hitler. He bungled the Ostwall so badly it's insane. Then at the end of the war hewas declaring festungs where no fortificaitons even existed, basically handing free wins to the Soviets.

>>16729657
To be fair, it wasn't all Hitler's fault, a lot of the Generals were hilariously incompetent and were desperate for a miracle to turn the tide of the war in their favor. When that never happened, they just passed the buck and said it was Hitler's fault to preserve their own reputations. After all, who was going to stand up and say "no, it wasn't Hitler's fault?"

>>16729586
FYI the word Wizard is attributed to Langley/NRO, not JPL

>>16729650
Trust the plan

JPL = Jack Parson's Laboratory = Satanic

S37's flaps were installed today

>>16729680

>>16729670
they didnt tell you about the other disc?

>>16729564 (OP)
Somebody PLEASE teach those engineers about iron oxidation. Like, why not prevent the rust???

Rust spreads diseases and is super ugly. This is supposed to be the freaking future, everything should be clean and smooth.

old/new

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxfSMcNP_HQ

>>16729699
this is right next to the ocean
I'm not sure you can prevent it completely with the superheavy torching everything
they paint it constantly

>>16729705
fat

spehs

What are the possibilities of Starlink laser com either being or maybe in the future becoming/enabling a dual purpose mode. One for transmitting data, other for transmitting power. This could in theory provide resilience to Starlink power systems. Or other Starlink-type sats that are in need of extra power that a network of Starlinks can provide in emergencies or as services.

>>16729705
GIRTHY, THICK down comer.

>>16729595
You're an actual retard. Massfaggotry has no place in the future. I hope JPL can be reduced to 1 gram, though.

>>16729725
That will never happen
You shouldn't say things like this because it lets other people know you're retarded

>>16729739
it's cooming down

>>16729649
No, it was Scott Bessent he got into a fight with. They don't have any major beef
The real enemy is Sebastian Gor

Let me guess. She cheated on you and so somehow a Mars colony would fix this.

>>16729752
>implying that we /sfg/ incels have ever felt the warmth of a women

>>16729586
Hey, it's that democrat who lost. I wonder if he's bitter.

Trust the plan

>>16729764
Buzz doesn't have much time left

>>16729764
>>16729773
Godspeed buzz, hopefully you can return to the magnificent desolation some day.

>>16729705
Superheavy booster is amazing, unfortunately the Starship that sits on top it, is Space Shuttle 2.0.

>>16729631
>>16729638
Arrakis

>>16729777
this

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1946738573232976181
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1946992850916565242
Musk is thinking of building data center on Starlinks sats themselves in orbit for low latency access to AI everywhere on Earth.

>>16729808
>spacex is going to focus on data centers in space
mars colonist bros i dont feel so good

>>16729810
Mo money for Mars

>>16729810
They should deorbit all Starlinks and just not do anything with it. And just focus on Mars.

>>16729814
spacex has enough money for mars colonization, but instead they're going to light it on fire for the AI bubble that will eventually crash

>>16729808
What's the point in constructing the dyson sphere so large? Would the energy output of the sphere not be the same even with the radius being a fraction of what it is in the diagram?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwWgeQgujg0
>he thinks we are going to space
lol lmao

>>16729611
elon got what he fucking deserved

GET THE FUCK IN HERE!
MUSK IS FINISHED HOLY SHIT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTJOVaOMQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTJOVaOMQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTJOVaOMQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTJOVaOMQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTJOVaOMQI

>>16729575
non-shit version

>>16729830
sybau :sad_rose:

>>16729819
In the old days it was meant to be literal living space, so it had to be in the habitable zone

>>16729830
Shut up retard.

It was pretty much exactly right now, this time of day/night everywhere, that the Apollo 11 EVA was taking place. I forget exact timing but it was like 9pm CDT or whatever.

>>16729886

>>16729887

He's a sadboi. One also thinks of those clancer guys from Mischief Makers.

https://x.com/BocasBrain/status/1947092827105870268
>B13 on deck on the spud barge :

>>16729764
>>16729773
He's sitting upright at least. What in the world is the context of this zoom call??

>>16729915
Da pope is an american boomer from chicago, so I suppose he rang up his compatriot on account of the Apollo 11 anniversary to congratulate him and talk about it

>>16729773
Oxygen tubes are concerning

>>16729922
more hair at 95 than me at 35

>>16729904
Do they have nothing better to do?

>>16729786
retarded goyslopper

>>16729830
I hate black people so much it's unreal

>>16729910
the front fell off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUoE7wOB-fY
>Nuclear Electric Propulsion - Practical Idea or Crazy Nuclear Rocket Engine?

New Eager space video about NEP

>>16729910
>Pull up Starship debris from the water
>A flotilla of dead sea turtles rain out

>>16729595
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1947172462191620434

>>16729951
>SpaceX is not a Lab! It's just not okay!

This drugged out aspie will sperg about literally anything.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1947193508265369628

Tesla diner coming to starbase

>>16729970
>Now Elon is off making drive in diners

Focus you tard!

>>16729980
this is critical for the mars mission

>>16729639
>Musk is like Hitler
They pay you too much

>>16729970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct86SQJgE94

Now Elon wants to be Arnold from Happy Days.

>>16730005
how long until someone attacks an optimus?

"Mars in 2026!"

Instead of fixing his death rocket, Elon was busy taste testing wing dips.

>>16730009
What will be the menu at a Martian diner?

>>16730029
black hole blasts

I mean, on /sfg/ a few days ago anons were criticizing Elon for not starting development of the actual infrastructure for his magic Marsograd. Elon simps pushed back that Elon was too busy and had to focus 100% on Starship.

Meanwhile, Elon is off in California deciding whether to offer Curly Fries.

>>16730005
why does elon hate god and nature and everything proper

>>16728991
This is somewhat misleading. The reason healthcare has expanded so much is the boomers are retiring and with low birth rates theres lot of old folks to care for and no as many people to care for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0gk_s5ARA

this is pretty interesting, at first they were doing this suborbital space plane (that could scaled up work as a first stage for a rocket) just as a technology demonstrator, but it works as a cheap and fast test platform for microgravity, things like testing the golden dome, can do things sounding rockets do
the ceo and co-founder worked at rocketlab in 2013 or something when it was just starting up, dawn aerospace was founded in 2017

probably not going to be competitive with actual rockets for cost to orbit, but it might be more flexible than a container rocket for rapid deployment
but then you had virgin orbit that was doing air-launched microlaunches from a 747
I guess the platform being smaller and not requiring a big plane might make it cheaper/more flexible and the multi-use possibilites in something else like mentioned before might make it a viable business (if I had to guess these other uses is what will actually make sense)

>>16730053
>This is somewhat misleading.
its not misleading at all
that's literally what the graph and my most were implying
you can't go to space when your country is entirely old fucks and young people caring for them

>>16730068
>that's literally what the graph and my most were implying
Don't assume people will understand your point if you don't explicitly state it.

>>16730069
if you couldn't extrapolate it from my post then its not my problem
i am not spoonfeeding sub 120iqlets anymore

>>16730068
another reason to have humanoid robots

>>16729611
I just think it's funny that Trump turned out to be just the kind of maximally vindictive prick that you guys imagined Biden to be. el mao.

>>16729947
Unfortunately electric and plasma systems don't scale into the tens of thousands of lbf we need for fast transits to Mars and the Outer solar system. STP doesn't work well beyond Mars.

>>16730077
>still trying to pretend like nothing happened under the other administration
Bro please just shut the fuck up now. Orange nigger hasn't done even 1% of the shit your fags pulled.

>>16729999
Musk is a great man of history like Hitler. Stop thinking 'muh boogeyman Hitler' and think logically.
>Both have supernatural charisma and are prone to massive freakouts so bad that they often can't be hidden form the public.
>Both started their missionsbecause they beleivedthat they were doing themost important thing for humanity
>Both have incredible victories by ignoring their advisors and develop a god complex
I'm not saying it so say Musk bad cuz muh Hitler. I admire both of them.

>>16730089
>Both have supernatural charisma
lmao musk is an autist and it's obvious.

>>16730008
How long until someone rapes an Optimus?

>>16730089
>supernatural charisma
Have you ever watched any interview with Musk? He has a negative charisma.

>>16730092
>>16730094
He obviously has charisma which is why he has the worlds largest cult of personality. His austism is part of the charisma. The moment I watched the SpaceX factory tour way back when it was uploaded I was hooked.

>>16730094
negative charisma towards the general public/normies, supernatural charisma towards other autists

>>16730098
>He obviously has charisma which is why he has the worlds largest cult of personality
No, he has this because of his business success. Rather he has such a large hate base because of his negative charisma.

>>16730085
SpaceX got awarded more contracts under Biden. EV credits continued to roll. But maybe if you post more wojaks the facts will change.

>>16730103
The other way around. His busineses (apart from SpaceX) arent even that good. None apart from arguabily neuralink are leading in their field, lost are duds but have a massive valuation because of Musks cult of personality which has been reinforced by his business sucess, but existed even when he was not so sucesful.
It's very easy to see in the early days of SpaceX. Most busnesspeople are sleazy phycopathic car salesmen who are obviously bullshitting you even when their claims arent so divergent from the truth. Musk would givethe most deadpan serious dry delivery ever in his autistic cadence, and it was magic. People thought "this guy's autistic so he can't lie", and he dropped everyones guard. That's how he could make the most absurd predictions yet rather than be seen a s a fool these massively boosted investor and public confidence.

>>16730109
Now this is some bait

>>16730109
this is very wrong

>>16730108
>SpaceX got awarded more contracts under Biden
how are you determining this?
there was constant lawfare
you can't be fucking serious with this

>>16730110
>>16730111
?

>>16730108
Tesla got the most EV credits cause they sold the most EVs. It only applies to EV purchases.

>>16729951
This is the first based thing Musk has said in a long time kek, he’s correct

>>16730089
>prone to massive freakouts so bad that they often can't be hidden form the public
Bro could literally just stop doing ket and half his problems would go away overnight lol

>>16730118
Right. Most of the benefits went to Tesla because they sold the most. Biden wasn't petty enough to torpedo the credits just because they benefited Musk. QED.

>>16730123
they tried through making them only for automakers with unions, they just couldn't

>>16730121
Hitler could have stopped doing coke and a lot of his problems would have gone away too

>>16730133
What’s your point

>>16729982
Habitating Mars will necessarily require us to put drive in diners there with cute carhops to bring you your burgers.

>>16730108

>>16730133
Did hitler even know his doctor was just shooting him up with meth?

/sfg/ and /tsfg/ (true sfg) pls

Is Elon Musk's Starship Doomed? The future of SpaceX keeps blowing up, and no one knows if he can fix it.
https://archive.ph/v2uZd
>Rocket tests mean failures, but is Starship just having teething pains or is its design fundamentally flawed?
>SpaceX has a mythical reputation, but even they can't keep blowing up rockets forever. The question is whether Starship can be made cost-effective and reusable.
>Starship is crucial for Artemis, space tourism, and Starlink. If it fails, a lot of plans go bust.
>Reusing both rocket stages is exponentially harder than just the first stage. SpaceX has to balance performance and cost.
>Starship's next test in August will be crucial. SpaceX's reputation can only take so many fireballs.
>No one in the space industry thinks its over yet.

>>16730146
There wasnt such a stigma against stimulants at the time.
>>16730138
The point is that rampant drug abuse is YET ANOTHER commonality between Musk and Hitler. Now let's see if Musk has a downfall.

>>16730151
Thats not at all what I asked.

>>16730069
Not the poster and it was obvious to me

>>16730153
the point is hitler probably didnt give a shit. It's not like today where he would go "but wait drugs are illegal and ive seen on tv that they are bad for you!!!"

>>16730161
I don't care about that, I asked if he knew or not.
If you don't know the answer to this stop replying.

>>16730150
Nothingburger, the article
Those people just type shit without providing any meaningful information. It's all surface-level stuff.

>>16730150
Even I, the staunchest of doomers and consumer/proliferator of blackpills, can at least believe that as shitty as SS currently is we are more likely than not observing temporary problems that will get solved by SX. The issue is that this program's vibe went from a 4-6 yr thing to seemingly now a 7-10+ yr thing. Won't stop if from working eventually through brute force, though. It will put many Starlink satellites up into earth orbit and land Man back on the Moon.
It's not some "fundamentally flawed" design—that is a retarded assertion. They have F9 and FH working like a fine-tuned clock, and have already demonstrated Super Heavy landing and reuse. And the upper stage Ship has done similar feats (despite having a recent string of unfortunate luck or some other sort of languorous mistake from the drafting table)
The difference maker here, I think, is Elon's attention span; if he 'battened down the hatches' so to speak and went back to his Starbase home and drove the team like mules with some huge incentive / centralized goal for getting upper stage reuse, fuel transfer, and HLS demo done, the program could get back on track. But that is a separate discussion for another day

>>16730147
Does eager or manlet have any good videos on nuclear pulse propulsion? Are there any downsides to something like orion or medusa, besides regulatory red tape?

>>16730150
v3 will save starship

Starship will gain momentum again with V3 and when they demonstrate orbital refilling, launch the first actual payloads

>>16730150
>For critics, like Substack writer Will Lockett, the fact that Starship has failed so many times in a row is proof that the concept is fundamentally unworkable. “SpaceX is having to make the rockets too light, resulting in them being fragile, meaning that just the vibrations from operation with a fraction of its expected payload would be enough to destroy the rocket,” he wrote in one typically acerbic post.

lol and the said critic is a political journalist, of course

https://substack.com/@planetearthandbeyond/p-158881347

>>16730170
shut the fuck up, who bullied you at work today?

>>16730198
I'm actually the work bully

>>16730173
>It's not some "fundamentally flawed" design
Was Shuttle fundamentally flawed?
Most would answer yes, and Starship has been approaching the shuttle design over time. They literally use the exact same material for the heat tiles. So so much for 'fully and rapidly reusable' lol.
NASA would never go back to Shuttle era heat tile tech because they know it doesn't work so good. When they were developing Venture Star they were making a metallic heat shield, whatever that means. Allegedly the metallic shield was heavier, but it was still light enough to be used on an SSTO so would have probably been ok for Starship.

>>16730182
They might not need to work on orbital refueling when NTP stages come out in the next decade. Just focus on rapidly reusing Starships to launch next-gen DTC Starlinks for revenue.

>>16729705
>downcoomer

>NTPfag is back

>>16730201
You have no idea what you are talking about, the metallic heat shields were for selected areas not the entire ship.

>>16730204
thats retarded

>>16730204
also NTP is retarded as a technology separately

>>16730217
>making money is retarded

>>16730212
Your dad had no idea what he was talking about when he said he thought having a son was a good idea

>>16730220
if you think that was the criticism then you are actually subtarded

>>16730224
I think he might be legitimately special needs if it's the guy I'm thinking of. Talking to him is like talking to a chat bot from 2012. You can't build a theory of mind because there's no mind

>>16730232
Is he the 'US can't do Saturn V' guy?

>>16730239
>He's just standing there
>Menacingly

>>16730235
Yeah, we are smart because we know the US could do Saturn V tomorrow.

>>16730239
He hungers for observations

>>16730250

>>16730250
He hungers for contracts for some reason only it can fly

>>16730261
>space lasers
they really need to specify that they're talking about directed energy weapons. starlink already has lasers. lots of them.

>>16730055
the dude also speculated the reason why vertical takeoff and landing first stages hadn't been done for orbital rockets before SpaceX (or the thing they were doing) was simply due to the conservatism of Primes
being innovative is actually discouraged, why rock the boat of cost+

>>16729572
He now claims to have 28 children. That's not a melty, it's just weird.
>>16729567
Wonder what type of permission they need to get photos like that. Are they hired by SpaceX? Can't imagine the company is ok with random drones flying over their property.

>>16730281
That's double the confirmed number (last I checked) but considering multiple of those kids are from silicon valley women centered around biohacking and fertility research/grift I wouldn't be surprised.

>>16730281
newfag OUT

>>16730281
no he doesn't you retarded cunt
do you believe every no-link edited shitpost of a supposed pic of Musks X that you see?

>>16729588
>Apollo Lunar Rover had an Emergency Sundial?
Just like Weird Al in Amish Paradise. Who knew astronauts and the Amish had so much in common?
Pic related is a fun bit of Soviet nav tech from that era.
>This device helps cosmonauts to set up the landing place manually if automatic system failed. It is based on high precision gyroscopic mechanism what stabilizes the device and helps cosmonauts to orientate the spacecraft correctly when in orbit before landing and calculate the time and duration of retroengines work.

>>16729629
Musk is not autistic and I can imagine why anyone is still trying to push that PR story. He's a sociopath. You might as well insist a traffic light is the Moon with how little your diagnosis matches up with the DSM for autism. He does however match up very well with sociopathy.

>>16729957
Shut the fuck up neurotypical

>>16730042
Unironically he's too autistic for religion

>>16730133
Except everything Hitler did was justified

SpaceX is a fucking silly name. When they sell out the Mars dream and go pulic in2027 I will buy in and call a shareholder vote to rename it back to S.E.T

>>16730287
>Elon doesn't have 28 children!

Does he have 14?

>Shut up!

>>16730288
These soyuz landing computers ended up having calculatable landing zones in the USA + locations of US manned spaceflight tracking stations for emergencies. America was willing to help.
I wonder if Shenzhou currently has contingencies for landing in America if they need to? I bet the US military has recovery options and services for anyone that needs to deorbit quickly and has to end up somewhere like white sands salt flats or the pacific coast

>>16730302
SETcorp is sufficiently vague and futuristic

>>16730301
Hitler was a manchurian candidate for the Prussian deep-state. He joined the 'far right' as a literal undercover fed, and sucessfully warped the German volkish movement into a form that didn't threaten established Prussian elites in any way.
He fucked shit up for other German elites like those of the rhine and central Germany, but never touched the Prussians because he was their puppet.
He removed all the socialism and anti-oligarch elements from the party in the night of the long knives. His Germany was a very extreme hostile takeover and chimpout of Prussia which ultiamtely resulted in Prussia being (rightly) genocided into oblivion.

>>16730304
so you admit you just lied? why didn't you just use 14 then
retard

>>16730306
American-Chinese space relations, or lack thereof, are fascinating to me. I get the premise of why America doesn't want to associate with China, but I can't help but see America as deliberately ignoring a potential competent partner in spaceflight. They outright refuse to mention their space activities most of the time, but there has been a few instances of NASA recognizing them, like the MRO imaging Zhurong but other than a few select instances they don't really talk about them despite their solid presence in space. It would be awkward for them to not congratulate China if they were to succeed in a major milestone like a Lunar landing, for example. Maybe in the future we'll have another "Apollo-Soyuz" moment, except it would be NASA astronauts shaking hands with CMSA taikonauts on the surface of the Moon. Also, does anyone know if China uses IAU-approved geographical names for the celestial bodies or do they have their own names?

>>16730314
No. Because this anon did not make the "28" post.

so this why elon is suddenly gungho on AI data centers in space...because starlink isnt profitable

>SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet service brought in $72 million in revenue as direct costs ate into most of its sales, show financial statements filed with the Netherlands Chamber of Commerce. Starlink is the world's largest satellite internet service, and SpaceX has aimed to use its profits to fund rocket development for interplanetary space missions. However, so far, it appears that most of the revenue generated from Starlink is going into expanding the service's global presence, as out of the $2.7 billion in revenue that the service generated in 2024, $2.5 billion was accounted for by direct costs.
https://wccftech.com/spacexs-starlink-profit-isnt-enough-to-fund-starship-show-purported-financial-statements/amp/

>>16730333
and if starlink isnt profitable, then how are others like kuiper and oneweb supposed to be?

>>16730333
Grim

>>16730333
>Starlink Profit Isn't Enough To...
so it is profitable

>>16730338
$72 million isnt profitable

>>16730333
what a retarded article, starlink is still in the grow as quickly as possible mode, not extract as much money as possible mode
the revenue numbers here are also different from other sources, might only be from europe

https://www.ntca.org/sites/default/files/documents/2021-02/FBA_LEO_RDOF_Assessment_Final_Report_20210208.pdf

Here's Biden admin "study" paper showing Starlink cant have more than ~200K customers by 2025 and speeds will be limited to 10Mbps.

This was the "justification" used to cancel Starlink RDOF funding by the Biden admin.

>>16730340
the $72 mil figure here is nonsensical

>>16730333
The operational costs of deploying Starlink satellites is somewhere in the rough ballpark of $1.16 million per satellite. Most of the Version 1s have been retired, and 6,938 satellites are currently active, with the operational constellation deployed over the last four years. We can crudely estimate that the ongoing CAPEX from deploying these satellites is approximately $2 billion a year. Even if we triple that number, we know their revenue totals are about $8 billion a year from Starlink services. Therefor, if we assume WCCTech's data is accurate, Starlink is already paying for Starship's development and is doing so profitably.

>>16729584
I'm a little bit concerned that he's actually on the verge of summoning robot god.
When he goes into the ridiculous crunch work schedule, uncanny things tend to happen.

>>16730333
Fake analysis

>>16730344
they have over 6mil now

https://www.starlink.com/updates/network-update

>>16730333
Reads the article. You owe me for that:

>"$72 million in revenue"
>That's actually after tax net profit

AI "journalism" will kill us all.

>>16730320
>I can't help but see America as deliberately ignoring a potential competent partner in spaceflight

China is not a partner nation, they are predatory. This is why they have been isolated as much as possible.

>>16730333
How would an AI data center in space help in any way?

>>16730333
This author doesn't even know the difference between revenue and profit.

>>16730356
no need to deal with environmental regulations or deal with people when you want to build one on earth, which at this point will probably also require building a new power plant if you are building a big one

>>16730358
How do you supplement the insane power requirements for AI with space-based systems? Solar panels?? You will have to launch so many panels it would almost be unfeasible

>>16730358
rocket launches are way more subject to environmental regulations than data centers

>>16730356
Starlinks already have a full computer system onboard, not sure how powerful. SpaceX may upgrade that to have a beefy GPU like B200 or something that would add another $30K each power/thermal/fuel management might cost double that. Thats $180 million GPU + $360M for all things combined for 6000 sats with B200 on board. Lets say they have 3 x B200 @ 100K and another 50K for power/thermal/fuel/network systems upgrade for new Starlink upgrades. Thats $150K+ for each sats x 10,000 = $1.5 billion cost. If Starlink is being upgraded, and they're "investing" that adding the service cost as part of xAI investment, thats a win x win for both Starlink and xAI. Starlink is double dipping on their own natural need for compute and passing the cost to xAI as part of investment.

>>16730320
>Maybe in the future we'll have another "Apollo-Soyuz" moment, except it would be NASA astronauts shaking hands with CMSA taikonauts on the surface of the Moon.
If we see taikonauts on the Moon I pray that it's shortly before bombing them.
Space is part of the manifest destiny of the United States.

>>16730360
you need a lot of panels and a lot of radiators for cooling
its mostly going to be just those with relatively small compute clusters at the center

>>16730361
do you have to do one for every launch? after its done then I don't think so
a bigger problem is simply that its probably much more costly and building coherent clusters that have hundreds of thousands of GPUs is something way more complicated than just launching a single gpu, which is what scaling frontier LLMs actually requires (which is why they will also need their own power plants)

but eventually they will have to move to space most likely, maybe out of LEO as well due to the need for those massive panels and radiators (or maybe there is going to be some way to beam power to them or make a coherent AI cluster with many separate free-flying GPUs)

>>16730356
>Each satellite carries an onboard AI model with 8B parameter & 800TOPS computate
>Sats to use laser links for communication speed of up to 100Gbps & share 100TB of on-board storage.
>AI sats allows computation to be done in space & not have to deal w/ data transmission issues.
>breaks the bottleneck of space-to-earth computing power
>Allowing space-based cloud computing
So yeah, the implications aren't fully appreciated now but lots of orgs, esp in defense, want to build a data link/mesh right now for various purposes

>>16730368
>beam power
Okay buddy

>>16730372
from satellite to satellite, not from LEO to earth or vice versa

>>16730356
starlink is a data layer. they'd build a compute layer.

>>16730356
Power on Node. Data centers are power gluttons. Free solar power and an infinite heat sink in back. And you're already configured for data exchange.

It's actually not a bad idea. With cheap launch costs.

>>16730363
>Space is part of the manifest destiny of the United States.
Then why aren't you doing anything about it?

>>16730379
And Datalink or whatever would have different regulations because it's not telecom. Higher longer lasting orbits might be an option.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1947346702631084515

data centers in space means power plants in space

I’m sorry but I just have yet to see a convincing argument about how moving power generation and/or cloud computation to LEO or beyond is advantageous versus just doing it on Earth. Even a best-case-scenario cheap Starship still costs $ to put hardware around the globe. If your main argument is
>umm you get to sidestep regulation and red tape!
then you obviously don’t understand how the world works (malicious politicians will still block your space efforts, submissive or bribed politicians will let you sidestepped red tape or fast track you into just doing power and computation on earth anyways)

>>16730390
the power plant is co-located with the data center

>>16730333
>Ramish
SAAR!

power plants in space means technicians working there. aint no robot running a power plant.

>>16730383
I'm doing my part, and when the technocrats complete their coup, the American Empire will be well and truly in full swing.

>>16730333
>company in an aggressive expansion phase isn't massively profitable

>>16730358
Woah, this is why space regulation should be illegal. Makes sense, no permits, no NIMBYs. Based, this is what will push spaceflight forward. The shittification of Earth by bureaucracy

>>16730333
???

>>16730403
This is why any off-world colony that achieves self-sufficiency will rapidly grow to dominate the political and economic dynamic of the solar system.
America went from a fringe colony to the preeminent global power in less than 300 years, and a Lunar or Martian colony that can stand on its own will do the same in less than a century.
The 1967 space treaty (one hundred thousand curses be upon it) exists because the UN knew that any country who took full advantage of space would utterly subjugate the Earth. What I think they didn't account for is that any independent space-based society would make Earth irrelevant in short order.

>>16730409
Cringe and delusional take. America effectively controls the solar system. And most importantly, currently “controls” all of Earth. In an era before self-sufficient anywhere else, this is extremely important.
Some fuckass antarctica-like colony isn’t going to topple planet earth

>>16730395
I hope so. Space belongs to whites and whites only and we must fight for that future.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/28T91fgkpkA

>>16730411
you need to work on your reading comprehension

>>16730407
>$72m in revenue
>ie after costs of launching and whatnot

>>16730356
It wouldn't. Completely nonsensical

>>16730413
Unfortunately the technocrats will replace you with indians

>>16730409
the OST accounted for that possibility. Its only problem is enforceability, which is the problem of all international law on Earth.
The US can fuck off though. I hope the Chinese teach that degenerate j*wish playground a lesson.

>>16730415
>goysgesagt

>>16730423
>European is mad about being irrelevant, more on this story at 9

>>16730416
False, I need to work on my drinking—which affects my reading comprehension (in my defense it is currently my day off.)

>>16730361
That's a problem for the launch providers, not the customer payloads

Another brilliant Tory interview:
>Reusable math just isn't right
>Commercial and even government shifting to LEO
>BUT... LEO isnt everything
>China is a huge but manageable threat
>Exciting times in exotic space technology

>>16730440
oops, link: https://youtu.be/NdY73YYceR8?si=godp0v9z3a9sjSqN

>>16730440
I just hear hissing. What kind of exotic space technology is he referring to?

>>16730443
this nigga

>>16730440
>LEO isn't everything

Part of the reason the USSF is mad at ULA is because they are giving priority to Amazon's Kuiper.

>>16730440
people can seethe about tory but they can never actually prove him wrong.

>>16727125
Check out Outer Wilds

>>16730457

>>16730356

>>16730457
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/28T91fgkpkA

>>16730457
He's been coping about reuse for a decade despite it clearly working and being not only economically feasible but clearly superior. Falcon 9 even exceeded his own FUD scenarios that he clearly thought were outlandish.

>>16730467
not only exceeded, he used the 10 as the threshold for reuse being more economical, SpaceX is up to 29 reuses

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/506597-most-missions-flown-by-a-single-rocket

>>16730470
If Tory were capable of shame I think Falcon 9 would have induced him to resignation and/or ritual suicide to preserve his honor

>>16730473
He leads a good company, hes just in the unfortunate scenario of having to defend against full stage reuse because he knows his company cant do it [mainly bc of the boeing - lockheed ownership situation]

What is the expected ETA for the next spaceship launch?

Betelgeuse has a companion star!

>>16730479

>>16730457
Lol ULA's valuation is less than the entire HLS contract

>>16730478
if you think about it falcon 9 is just 10 little engines, they should be able to do it if they tried...

https://x.com/SpaceIntel101/status/1947386441190842491
>"Launch on July 21 of a Qased rocket from Shahroud, Iran, on a suborbital trajectory. The Qased has previously completed 3 successful orbital flights; this launch was declared as a technological development test aimed at future orbital missions."

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1945482820346118496
>From its inception, the Vulcan rocket was designed to deliver heavy payloads to any orbit. The upcoming USSF-106 mission utilizes this capability with Centaur V launching a multi-manifest U.S. national security payload directly to geosynchronous orbit for the Space Force.
Launch info: https://www.ulalaunch.com/missions/next-launch/vulcan-ussf-106
Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ulalaunch/albums/72177720321406429/with/54657113974

>>16730480
>hubble and chandra search for suspected companion star
>can't find it
>ground-based hawaii scope takes a look
>finds companion star
What to make of this?

side boosters are unaesthetic and cringe

>>16730499
Crayon-looking fucks

>>16730498
cancel all space telescams NOW

>>16730503
There's some more photos of them on ULA's flickr

If Elon Musk dies, starship dies with him

why don't they just use new glenn for artemis

>>16730499
I know there's a name for it, I just can't think of it right now - but I like the "snug" nosecones better. There's probably a specific aerodynamic reason for using them/not using them, but from an aesthetics point of view I like the look of this better. Like the two stock nose cones in KSP. What is the name, anyone know?

>>16730524
>There's probably a specific aerodynamic reason for using them/not using them
I think cones are just way easier to manufacture and the drag penalty is negligible

>>16730524
Also Vulcan's SRBs are too small compared to the main craft, they look out of place and silly. The proportions are wrong, like a big buff guy with tiny girl wrists.

>>16730524
https://x.com/torybruno/status/1351606858134528001
>Atlas has ogive SRB fairings to lessen aero loads on the aft end. This also means that the separation is briefly delayed in order to get a clean sep, causing a very minor performance hit. Vulcan does not have this constraint and will use conical fairings, with sep at SRB burnout

I also remember him saying that they were originally planning to have pointy boosters on the Atlas V, but I've got no clue how to find that specific comment. The GEMs and Castors that were used previously all were pointy, so I guess that'd be expected.

>>16730498
Gemini:
The key was using a technique called speckle imaging. This method involves taking many very short exposure images. By rapidly capturing these "speckles" of light and then combining them, astronomers can overcome the blurring effects of Earth's atmosphere, achieving incredibly high angular resolution. This allowed them to resolve the fainter companion star despite the blinding glare of Betelgeuse itself.
Betelgeuse is an incredibly luminous red supergiant, vastly outshining its companion. This makes it extremely difficult to distinguish a much fainter object so close to it.
While Hubble provides incredible clarity in space, even its visible light capabilities struggled to resolve such a faint object against Betelgeuse's immense brightness and glare. Past efforts with Hubble for Betelgeuse's companion were inconclusive, though they did help set limits on its size in some studies.
Chandra is an X-ray observatory. While the companion star is likely a young, active star that might emit X-rays, previous X-ray observations occurred at the wrong orbital phase for optimal detection or lacked the necessary deep exposure. Recent Chandra observations (May 2025) still didn't detect an X-ray source at Betelgeuse's position, providing constraints on the companion's X-ray luminosity, but confirming it as a low-mass young stellar object.

>>16730480
>The companion star has now been detected for the first time by a team of astrophysicists. They observed Betelgeuse using a speckle imager called 'Alopeke. Alopeke, which means fox in Hawaiian, is mounted on the Gemini North telescope.

NASA: Diversity is Job One.

>>16730482
as if stock market meme valuation means anything in the real world. get real.

>>16730557
ULA is apparently not worth buying according to the market

>>16730457
>they can never actually prove him wrong

Remeber when he posted ULA marketing material that overtly lied about F9/FH performance?

>>16730564
the market is not rational. ULA is valued on what it can provide like a normal company, every Musk company is valued like a tech company, they have absurd valuations far beyond their actual ability to produce profit. It's all absed on future promises. SpaceX is by far the most real compnay becuase it has a monopoly on high cadence launch and LEO internet which itself is worth a lot. But 400 Billion? Valuing it higher than Boeing is absurd when you compare the economic value produced by Boeing aircraft vs that produced by Falcon 9.

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1947398637849391314

if this opens, at starbase, isn't it going to be the first publically open restaurant there? will have the first public bathrooms as well

>>16730573
Too bad, so sad

>>16730574
Well its for people who are charging Teslas.

>>16730557
it actually does, very much so

>>16730573
not future "promises", by projections made by market participants on what the discounted cash flows of the future are worth currently
the fact that growing companies are worth more than stagnant or shrinking companies and that valuations take into account more than simply last years cash flows is something you should try to accept or understand

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dcf.asp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p6LAUg2W_M
Falcon 9 launching something other than Starlink
T-25:00

>>16730578
open for everyone

Can they perform the first ever private interplanetary mission and the first mission to Venus since the 80s?

>>16730579
I know how this shit works jackass. Point is Musks companies are overvalued. Tesla will never deliver on its valuation. It's future promises by musk which drive a false perception that magic growth will happen.

>>16730586
No

>>16730586
maybe

>>16730586
>the first mission to Venus since the 80s?
I know most of the recent Venus encounters have been by probes going somewhere else, but this isn't even remotely true

>>16730590
>r/so yence so yboy thinks orbital probes count
lol

>>16730587
you think they are overvalued, the market disagrees with you and the future will prove you wrong

>>16730581
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1OwxWXwEjoMKQ

why is falcon 9 such an unreliable piece of shit?

HOLD & SCRUB

>>16730596
Damn weather.

>>16730593
What year is unsupervised FSD coming bro?

>>16730478
>hes just in the unfortunate scenario of having to defend against full stage reuse because he knows his company cant do it
They could figure it out.
It's just American companies really don't like doing things unfortunately.
To push reuse or even just cadence means more honest to god work, which means more employees or longer hours.

Even if they wanted to push the amount of services they provide, it's innately difficult because the company is built on years old assumptions of minimal growth.

The west really has no real drive anymore and it's arguably why I really hate American businesses nowadays

>>16730612
With China's collapse in the next 5 years, there will be even less incentive to compete/do anything about it.

It's time to discuss Callisto.

>>16730524
>>16730528
easier to manufacture, and don't have to mount them a specific way when installing, I guess

>>16730600
aren’t they running a bunch of robotaxis around austin as we speak?

>>16730306
It's a provision of the Outer Space Treaty. China is a signatory, so yes, they'd also get help.

>>16730387
lmao he probably ate at the one at KSC and said "I'm getting one"

>>16730630
geofenced area 3d mapped using lidar. The exact same tech they used in their fake FSD demo 8 years ago in 2016.
This is a massive difference. For FSD to have a competitive advantage over services like Waymo it needs to be able to drive on roads it has never seeen before, like a human. Musk ahs said this many times. If you require an up to date 3d scan of every road for it to function properly then it's never scaleable beyond some cities where it will be a gimmick.
Not to mention that these cars arent even unsupervised. They literally have a person in the car, and each car is monitored remotely by Tesla staff who can take over the driving if it goes wrong.

>>16730573
>when you compare the economic value produced by Boeing aircraft

This isn't as high as you appear to think it is.

>>16730638
>8 years ago
9 years ago, my bad

You think you hate NASA enough. That you could not possibly hate them more.

But you are wrong. So very wrong.

>>16730641
I'm pro-Trump but I'm anti-NASA mission cuts, too.

>>16730643
Sure you are.

This should work just fine. Because there are two things ESA does really well. Complex and Mars Landing.

>>16730644
It's not hard to believe.

>>16730586
Considering Venus atmospheric probes are the single easiest interplanetary mission to develop (there's a reason the soviet focused on them) and that all the other atmospheric probes are planned for the 2030s (Shukrayaan's baloon was cancelled, DAVINCI and the Chinese Venus Atmospheric sample return are in 2031-2034) then yeah probably, it'll be minimalistic tho, even with the likely larger bus they'll be able to send with Neutron.

>>16730643
You are a fucking retard. Give me one good reason why these missions can't be done by the private sector? NASA is a parasitic government welfare organisation which has never accomplished anything the private secor couldnt do cheaper and faster.

>>16730654
absolute retard

>>16730654
The private sector does these missions when they are contracted by the Government to do them. There is literally no private sector interest in building these instruments.

>>16730658
Well if nobody in the private sector is willing to pay for it of their own volition then maybe it's a massive waste of monythat deserves to be cut. Consult the chart.

what the fuck is that

>>16730663
Foustian Greed

>>16730661
The last one simply isn't true. The benefits of newly acquired knowledge can take many centuries to achieve intellectual payoff, and outside niche mathematics, the cost of entry into the field is high. People will pay for it only if they're angry that no one else can pony up the cash and they particularly care about the sciences or the arts.

>>16730663
The internet gets worse and worse every year now. I am slowly desiring to just become a luddite hobbit at this point

>>16730666
But on Mars

>>16730665
>WAH WAH FUND MY WELFARE QUEEN STATE ORGANIZATION AND SPACE FANTASIES AT THE POINT OF A GUN
how about no. :) trump is cutting and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>16730669
Don't hurt me none, but it does damage my interests and continues to erode US aerospace capabilities for lack of demand.

>>16730663
>Fuck you, pay me

>>16730665
>People will pay for it only if they're angry that no one else can pony up the cash and they particularly care about the sciences or the arts.
Aristocrats used to patronize the sciences and arts and/or actively participate in those things if they were bored old-money.
This is still the case, to a lesser extent.

I wish you guys would just talk about rockets. Politics is not /sfg/'s strong suit. You all sound like retards.

you literally sound black

>>16730672
This faggot will block you on twitter if you suggest that working at USAID doesn't confer automatic respect

>>16730673
The old aristocracy did that because it was how they played games of clout with the upper classes. Now that role has been replaced with social justice and other forms of culture shifting activism. Art is just a venue for money laundering, and private science funding is dead.

>>16729572
The entire H1B cry fest he got destroyed in on x.

>>16729572
When he headbutted Scott Bessent, they got knocked out cold with a sharp left jab

>>16730285
>Stop cuking me in my own thread
Never gets old. Keep crying Ranjit.

>>16730674
Newfag.
This thread is saturated by H1Bs sucking Elon cock and bots... I guess there is the one jew that loses his shit if you say mean things about Einstein, which never gets old.

>>16730680
>private science funding is dead.
well then maybe we should stop funding science. Why are you so obsessed with robbing taxpayers?

>>16730654
You missed the part where corporate contractors use NASA to run their space experiments on the ISS at the expense of the taxpayer while privatizing the results.

>>16730674
Fine. I'll thrown some enrichment in the fucking enclosure

https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1947440028373659980
>Soyuz-2.1b rollout is happening at the Vostochny cosmodrome

>>16730694
>All science is taxpayer robbery
Bitch please.
The best science to be done right now is in answering key questions for guiding future policy: are we meaningfully alone in the universe, and is there something to be learned from cosmology that could provide a dramatic military technology advantage? Particle physics is a dead end for the latter question, and the heavens have always been where the former lies.

>>16730696
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1947223617768448390
>Soyuz-2.1b rocket for Ionosfera-M №3 & №4 launch is now assembled at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

>>16730696
>>16730701
I find it impossible to believe that russia can commit to phasing out soyuz and dedicating its entire access to space to angaras out of vostochny. Not gonna happen. Soyuz is too reliable and the supply chain has been basically perfected at this pouty

>>16730701
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1946176454649172427
>The payload section for Ionosfera-M №3 & №4 launch was stacked with the Fregat upper stage and placed under the fairing.

>>16730645
When my model rockets don’t work, it’s usually because of the parachutes. Now granted I’m not esa (I’m better) but this architecture looks like it’s begging for something to go wrong.

>>16730705
Pretty much. Russia has a lot of domestic launch demand when compared to most countries, but Soyuz-2 is just too optimized for the VKS's needs for anything new to have a real shot of breaking in. For something else to have a chance Russia would suddenly need to launch more payloads than the ~25 vehicles/year that Samara can comfortably produce.

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1947458630409933300
>CZ-8A was transferring to launch pad (again) at Wenchang commercial. CZ-12 is also about to tranfer. May be we could see two rockets vertical at Wenchang commercial.

>tfw no CCP space gf
Why even live

>>16730697
Not my problem. Not maying for your toys. Trump should cut NASA fully.

>>16730729
>Not maying for your toys
your consent is not required

>>16730663
foust doesnt realize that nobody wants to pay for generic news

>16730729
It's not even bait at this point.

>>16730664
A Foustian bargain!

>>16730744
heeheh

Why did SpaceX steal this soundtrack for their ITS animation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_21M6fdaMss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qo78R_yYFA

>>16730744
topkek

>>16730748
>steal
>royalty-free

they're doing it right by including a basic paragraph for free then locking the rest behind the paywall...the problem is that the content behind the paywall isnt worth buying, and the content that is provided for free isnt worth visiting the site for

>>16730761
dropped them entirely for pulling this shit

>>16730291
/pol/tards need to go and stay go

>>16730768
There's nothing political about that post. Stop calling everything you don't like /pol/. It makes you look childish and unhinged.

There's no space news anyway

>>16730769
It's that typical boomer tourist shit.

>>16730771
Nothing exploded in Sol system which is generally goof.

>>16730761
stopped going there because its often not even worth taking the time to copy-paste the link into archive to bypass the paywall

>>16730795
This star system is a snooze-fest

>>16729970
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1947446893392675221

>>16730029
anything you want (for a price)

>>16730661
>Pic
And that's how you get American healthcare.

>>16730842
>no completed starships
wtf

>>16730848
We keep telling u its over bro, just go get a hobby or a job until the Chinese do their thing

>>16730821
They should make burgers from synthetic algae-based food like would be eaten on Mars

>>16730842
>still need to validate new heatshield
>still need to do full orbit
>no Orbital refuelling until at least Ship 41-42
Ultra grim, S36 doing an hero really killed all hope for the programme actually advancing this year. The annoying thing is I can tell that Elon is getting frustrated and will probably push for ship catch ASAP which will probably fail and damage the OLT.

>wake up
>it... hasn't? gotten worse
>eat dinner
>check news
>its gotten worse
ahaha

>>16730873
>I can tell that Elon is getting frustrated
I don't notice that
He doesn't seem to even be aware of the state of affairs
He's just playing Space Marine 2 or whatever it is

Remember the heady days of welding colony ships from scrap metal behind you tent shed

>>16730895
>Remember the heady days of welding colony ships from scrap metal behind you tent shed
>weld scrap in a tent in saltwater
>it just werks
>robot weld precision rolls of perfect steel in a climate controlled megafactory
>it fails
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>16730821
"Would you like Mars Fries with your Mars Burger?"

>Do everything other than making the videos that get you Pateron Simp Tips.

Why do all YouTube grifters end up like this?

>>16730821
if this is the kind of slop they're serving on mars im just going to stay on earth

>>16730938
Probably cause the patreon doesn't make as much money as the other stuff?

>>16730938
Do rockets fall under copyright laws? Theoretically could he get sued by SpaceX? I know Rocket Lab is pretty litigious.

>>16730961
Notice there's no SpaceX logo on the F9? Making a model is all good, once you touch on actual copyrighted material like logos and whatnot, you're in trouble.
NASA logos are free to use, like the burger flag.

>>16730962
huh you're right

>>16730836
yeah no state involvement there

>>16730750
I was hoping it would have been a full rip and not some crappy royalty free version. I've been wanting that soundtrack for years.
The downfall of SpaceX promo stuff needs to be studied. They used to be hard core. Now they are so trash, their stuff is now like a fan edit you would find from some channel with 400 views.

ITS was pure inspiration, Musk must have been intimately invovled in the animation. Even this stuffbefore F9 was excellent comapred to the slop they put out about modern Starship:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX2-qEC7P_I

>>16730938
Who is VSVN?

>>16730750
All their shit is royalty free music now
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drsLeTv6zPM

>>16730969
The squidlike Mad God who lives in the Dark Chaos Between the Stars. Elon calls to him, with every F9 launch.

And he is coming.

Remember when our jaws used to it the floor watching this stuff?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jEz03Z8azc

>>16730661
If you aren't collectivist you will lose to people who are.

>>16730963
>>16730962
seems like theres a large spacex logo running down the side

>>16730993
reminds me something i heard before....oh yeah, thats it 'resistance is futile'

>>16730821
Why does everything look so dry?

>>16730842
>still using block 1 ship models
ringwatchers fell off

>>16730705
Never thought they had any plans like that. Proton and the other hypergolic launchers are what Russia wants to phase out, though it sounds like they are still developing avionics for Rokot-M to use up old missile inventory.

>>16730447
pretty funny considering the years of assured access to space adds

>>16731000
It's just game theory, man.

>>16731002
Everyone in the space community has lost the SpaceX rizz. Some over politics. Some over the failures. Some over the utter inability of Elon to focus.

>>16731001
>He doesn't know about the California Meat Fat tax.

>>16730968
yeah, that and the High Roller video about the first successful Falcon 1 launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWtfE1GHNjg

A cataclysmic asteroid impact would actually fix so many of my problems

Upcoming CN launches (next 3 weeks or so):
Confirmed (NOTAM published):
Jul 25 Hyperbola-1
Jul 27 CZ-6A (Polar Guowang/Qianfan)
Jul 29 CZ-8A (Guowang)
Jul 31 KZ-1A Pro (Haishao-2)
Aug 3 CZ-12 (Guowang)
Likely (Date Announced by touristic agencies or other sources):
Aug 5 Lijian-1 (7 sats)
Aug 9 Jielong-3 (Jilin)
Aug 13 CZ-5B/YZ-2 (Guowang)
Possible (Expected and announced by touristic agencies but with no specific announced dates)
1st half August: Zhuque-2E (?)
Possibly 1st half of August: Ceres-1
Late July/1st half August: CZ-2/4 series from Xichang

>>16731052
China is collapsing soon

>>16729705
is that a downcomer in your H2 tank or are you just happy to see me?

>>16730274
protip: the Starlink constellation when completed will be able to put about 4MW of radiated power onto any 1 meter diameter spot on Earth

Spacex should have just left well enough alone, got a mvp of the pez dispenser working on v1 starships, and started launching starlinks on v1 ships in a reusable booster expendable ship configuration.
then they could have gotten much more operational experience while developing v2 ship in parallel and not been in this mess.

>>16730705
>I find it impossible to believe that russia can commit to phasing out soyuz and dedicating its entire access to space to angaras out of vostochny.

It would be pretty retarded for Russia to go all in on one rocket, let alone close Plesetsk.

>>16731086
v1 had nearly zero payload

>>16731086
V2 was never going to be an operational ship. It was always a test mule for design and procedures as a bridge to V3. Unfortunately, V2 was shite and just wasted everyone's time and effort.

>>16731072
two more weeks

>>16730999
On the actual rocket? Yes. Not on the model. Even the Falcon 9 logo is gone.

>>16731092
V2 has been and continues to be a total vibe killer. Feels like it threw cold water on the momentum they were having

>>16731092
Pure cope, it was literally supposed to launch operational Starlink v3 as soon as February 2025, the whole v2 debacle actually delayed their starlink v3 deployment timeline by a whole year.

>erm V3 fixes all of this so don’t worry

>>16731121
people will be trotting out this same cope for v4 when v3 proves incapable of performing artemis.

>>16731122
Artemis isn’t happening. A2 is killing its crew and the program is getting canned.

>>16731130
Orion kills A2 crew and grounds the whole program but political shenanigans keeps SLS / artemis online only for Starship to kill A3 crew

>>16731120
V2 was never ever going to fill its guts with starlinks and launch significant numbers. It was always a test vehicle. And it couldn't, and never will, launch a starlink because they can't figure out how doors work.

>>16731130
>A2 is killing its crew

Very much so. Might as well pick the four Midwestern Middle Schools to name after the crew now.

>>16731130
>>16731132
>>16731135
The ironic thing is that Orion will be safe and Starship will kill it's crew, probably tipping over on landing. There is no way the Starship HLS goes well.

>>16731139
We are so far from a manned Starship flight. Years and years. Scores of flights. Hopefully enough experience to give the astronauts a fighting chance.

>>16731144
>We are so far from a manned Starship flight
Stick me in the payload bay with something to hold onto

>>16731148
How fast would you die if you actually did that, I guessing pretty fast if you're just relying on average human grip strength to stop you smashing into something during launch.

>>16731151
I have above average grip strength.

>>16731154
you’d be fine, Beowulf.

>>16731148
>Stick me in the payload bay with something to hold onto
I was like this in the early test prgram but even I wouldn't do it now lmao. Certain death. You have more of a chance being strapped to the booster nozzle of a vulcan.

>>16731052
Has HICAL finally managed to unclog whatever's been holding up their launches?

>>16731163
>I wouldn't do it now lmao. Certain death
I'd live, you're a pussy.

>>16731052
So HICAL has finally managed to unclog whatever's been holding up their launches? Does anyone know what it was?

>>16730661
This question is dealt with in any introductory economics textbook, in the sections on public goods, positive externalities, barriers to entry, etc

more politics

>Trump's Golden Dome looks for alternatives to Musk's SpaceX

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trumps-golden-dome-looks-alternatives-musks-spacex-2025-07-22/
https://archive.ph/hEJ13

>>16731174
>Golden Done looks for alternatives to SpaceX, quickly discovers that there are no alternatives to SpaceX

>>16730661
The only barrier is if the government is actively stopping it with regulations or threats. Starlink for example is important in many parts of the world, but its made illegal by the gov.

>>16729970
This actually looks cook as fuck, but I'm wondering why the foods there aren't automated with a robot chef.

>>16730993
>sell rights to israel company
>get good will from israel
>get good will from US
>get more israeli companies/gov to invest in country where poverty is rampant
Sounds like a win/win for the country
Gov doesnt need to spend money on running the water, that just means inefficiencies of the gov is created and tax payers get to put the bill. Private companies can do it cheaper, better, and consumption tax is just marginal. No gov overheads for spending = no gov tax from people

>>16731174
It's actually fucking hilarous how Musk paid fo Trumps victory then blew his political capital SO HARD that they are now more histle than the Biden admin ever was. Can someone explain how this is winning? How does this play in the wider master plan?

>>16730993
and this is bad how?

>>16731139
A2 is happening even if Orion heatshield became swiss cheese during A1
any HLS will be tortuously tested until there is a miniscule chance something goes wrong with the crew

>>16731174
>according to three sources familiar with the matter

All of whom happen to be lobbyists for SpaceX's competitors.

>>16731182
>that they are now more histle than the Biden admin ever was

You are going to have to try harder than this.

>>16731186
The contract specifies that they only need to fluke one landing. As we have seen from the starship development program, past sucess does not indicate that it will happen again in the future.

>>16731179
got trump elected so there will be no (or less) bullshit from the government, now feuds publically to create some distance and stories like these create more as well
this means there won't be as much whining about conflicts of interest for instance even when SpaceX probably gets a big part of the Golden Dome contracts
appearing more neutral is good for Musk and his companies in the long run

>>16731148
I want to go up strapped to the inside of a F9 fairing. They no longer talk about the fairing recoveries but I don't think those things ever really burn or break up on reentry.
Spacex could sell rides, complete with a Dragon-style pressure suit you get to keep as a souvenir. Hell, it could be a good avenue to scale in-house suit development and manufacturing refinement ahead of needing to ramp production for a large space station, a moon base, or a colony. You could have a guy wearing the newest known-good suit design on one fairing and four crash test dummies in experimental suits on the other side. Spacex could even do Transporter-type suborbital rideshare stuff mounted to the fairings. Suborbital payloads are generally so small that you could easily accommodate multiple per launch and it would be well within payload margins and structural capability of the fairings.

>>16731194
when they are at the point of landing starship HLS on the moon they will have extensive experience with Starship itself
Boeing seems to fail in their tests, disregard that and just try to continue anyway without fixing the problems
lmao

>>16731174
>Amazon's Project Kuiper, a $10 billion initiative led by former Starlink managers dismissed by Musk for slow progress, Reuters has reported, has lagged behind SpaceX in deployment. But its potential defense applications - such as communications that could aid missile tracking - have drawn renewed interest as the administration prepares to allocate the first $25 billion tranche of funding authorized under Trump's sweeping tax and spending bill.

lol maybe a gov contract is what actually saves Kuiper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKYOQAy8t-Y
Falcon 9 launching something not Starlink from Vandenberg; booster will be returning to the launch site
T-15:00

>>16731181
> Private companies can do it cheaper, better, and consumption tax is just marginal.
And what market forces push efficiency in a market with a total monopoly? Water privatization has happened in lots of countries (Chile, England), and in most it is a literal shitshow. They have no incentive to invest, and would rather pay dividends than stop the actual sewage pouring into rivers. The best part is the company cannot go bankrupt, because the government cannot let it happen.

https://x.com/_GiantLeap/status/1947689092004655149

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1947706483145404782

>>16731189
I bet this guy was one of those "trust the plan guys" any reports of a rift between them is disinfo.

>>16731201
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1rmGPyMlNLDJN
T-10:00

>>16731174
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1947705271331262613

>>16731182
but they aren't more hostile, not by a long shot
not yet at least

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/environmental-protection-rules-for-rocket-launches-targeted-by-trump-administration/

>>16731213
Fuck yeah, rare Trump Admin W

>>16731174
Meanwhile the DoD and Starshield are over in the background obsoleting all aircraft stealth and making missile targeting a child's game.
While the play-act bickering distracts people, Spacex is quietly making it literally impossible for any other country to oppose the US military.

>>16731213
>ProPublica
What is this shit

>>16731197
Imagine how fucking fun it'd be to ride a fairing back from the edge of space.

>>16731204
>tunnelfags getting uppity again

>>16731195
don't see people burning Teslas anymore even if a bunch of liberals hate Musk (they hated him before as well due to Twitter/X becoming a more free speech platform than before)

now Musk is seen more like an eccentric/insane billionaire doing all kinds of random projects instead of best buddies with Trump
I think the sentiment will become more positive and people that care about that connection will care about it less and less because its somewhat history

sure there will be some people that will treat Musk like they treat Trump now, completely deranged
but whatever, thats a minority

its over

>>16731218
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN BROTHER
They could do more business than all other space tourism companies combined, with a rocket that's already launching three times a week.

WHO VIOLATED THE TFR

>>16731213
But, but, anon insisted the Trump admin was not only bostile towards SpaceX but more so than Biden was!

>>16731189
>>16731211
>Trump is saying he wants Musks citizenship to be investigated (threatening to deport him)
>Removes EV credit destroying Tesla profit
>Actively seeking to abandon all possible contracts with SpaceX
Remind me how Biden was more hostile? He never threatened to deport Musk. He never removed the EV tax credit and allowed Starship HLS to be selected under his administration.
But oh wait, he didnt invite Musk to some EV conference or soemthing lol.

>>16731201
>>16731209
Well, O3b mPower is getting another shot in T-3:00:00

>>16731229
>allowed
lol the people that did that got fired immediately

>>16731223
It's just an SSO mission. They'll be back tomorrow.

>>16731232
stupid sightseers

Rip ozzy osbourne :(

>>16731225
I just wanted a peek [math]\unicode{x1F633}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F449}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F448}[/math]

>>16731224
You'd never get clearance to put people inside a fairing like that, so removing the government is step 1 towards a future where we can ride a fairing back from space in peace as God intended us to.

>>16731231
The guy retired because he was about to die of cancer. Try again.
Then Kathy Leuders wasnt fired, she went to work as the site manager at Starbase, clearly as a bribe. She's probably in large part responsible for the deteriorating state of the Starship program, becuase she seems very incompetent.

>>16731238
you are demented

>>16731239
lmao, clown.

>>16731238
>Kathy Leuders wasnt fired, she went to work as the site manager at Starbase
>Elon bribes gov officials with jobs like everyone else
>Elon doesn't understand it's supposed to be a fake job
This fucking dude can't stop

>>16731169
Too many rumors to make sense, it seems the fault of CZ-12/pad 2 and CZ-8/8A/pad 1 were different however

>>16731244
It was surreal when she got appointed and all the slop youtubers were doing the rounds trying hype her up as this great thing for the program. The moment Leuders opens her mouth you know she's an utter clown. She sounds drunk all the time. I think she may have an undiagnosed tumor or something because she slurrs her speech and stuff. Not good.

>>16731236
They're not government astronauts, anon, many things in aerospace are possible with the power of informed consent.

One successful flight and all of you assholes are going to claim you never doubted the plan

>>16731229
>citizenship
Not happening
>EV credits
Musk wants EV credits removed just as well, its just that he wants all subsidies removed from gas/oil as well. But only former happened.
>actively seeking to abandon all contracts with spacex
Not happening. Best case you'll ge tis New Glenn gets some of the pie because its a decent rocket unto itself as well and is proven

>>16731260
Just such an awful name for a planet. Normies will never, ever take it seriously

>>16731169
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1947463633367412956
>CNSA sent an administrative order to strengthen QC of all commercial rocket companies & their rockets. May be that's why we see nearly all major companies to push their maiden flights to 4th quarter of 2025 (except CasSpace,for now).

Apparently there are some issues that are being addressed.

https://x.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1947730806543151246
>The payload for flight VV27, encased in its fairing, has been raised and placed atop the Vega C stack ahead of the July 25 launch.

>>16731261
I propose Urectum instead.

>>16731260
That takes me back. When I was in middleschool I would do practice sex with a girl, we used her back door, and i would squirt every time because of the heat.

>>16731265
that’s ridiculous. I vote yourasshole

>>16731229
You need to look at the things which actually happen rather than the things which get yelled about on the news.
Regardless of what Trump is SAYING, look at what the admin is DOING.
Musk's companies are no longer drowning under lawsuits from the executive branch. Launch and environmental regs are being loosened—suddenly there are no paperwork issues even while the regs themselves are the same for the time being. The EV credit removal strengthens Tesla's dominance of the market because they're the only ones capable of making ANY money on EVs without it.

>>16731269
Ursphincter is nice and dignified

>>16731229
>Trump is saying he wants Musks citizenship to be investigated (threatening to deport him)

In response to Elon sperging.

>Removes EV credit destroying Tesla profit

The tax credits still exist, only they aren't limited to EV. And the BBB also gave Tesla other big financial perks.

>Actively seeking to abandon all possible contracts with SpaceX

Never happened.

Sorry my libcuck friend but you can't astroturf here.

>>16731229
>Remind me how Biden was more hostile?

Funny how you omitted things like the Biden DOJ suing SpaceX, an ITAR restricted company, for not hiring illegals or the Biden FCC refusing to award SpaceX the contract worth hundreds of millions that it won for rural internet.

>>16731285
>illegals
Legal refugees that were "vetted" as far as ITAR law is concerned. (Not to argue against your point.)

>>16731292
fuck you

https://www.twz.com/space/space-based-missile-interceptors-for-golden-dome-being-tested-by-northrop

>>16731271
yeah the EV credit removal almost guarantees a Tesla EV monopoly in the US, assuming chinese companies don't build EV plants in the US (which they might)
in the short term it might hurt but in the long term its better, the credits had all kinds of requirements which distorted and restricted what made sense to build and where

>>16731292
you are demented like I said

https://x.com/Astra/status/1947650052983558639
>Hotfire at our test facility in preparation for testing the new combustion chamber for the next-generation Astra first stage engine that will power Rocket 4.

>>16731309

>>16731300
Really? That's it? That's kind of meh desu. Most of the next gen missiles don't transit space that much. Directed energy is required I think.

>>16731298
>>16731305
Isn't it funny how "illegal" is a code word that includes those who are permitted by the law if don't agree with the law?

>>16731135
spacex can figure out how to catch huge metal cylinders with rockets attached to the bottom in mid air but can't figure out how to make a functioning sliding door

>>16731315
isnt it funny how you are a fool?

>>16731207
he is still regurgitating that consciousness thing like he thinks it makes him some great unique speaker. just say humanity you fucking sperg. what's the point of making these huge ass rockets if you're just going to be sending more AI robots

Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

>>16731309
Is this supposed to be impressive still, in 2005?
It seems like simply copying another guy's oldest of designs, like copying a cooking recipe, but tweaking the size and a few minor things because you actually don't have the premium ingredients the "other guy" used in successful examples they are emulating, so instead using the minimum acceptable substitutes.
Very Chinese of them, really. How did they ever get investors? And more importantly, how did they get a US military contract?

Integrated Flight Test of the Super Heavy Booster and Starship vehicle by Space Exploration Technologies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZZYSmKiYZw
O3b mPower 9&10, take two
T-30:00

>>16731315
They were not permitted by law, that is why SpaceX won.

>>16731315
no, it’s not very funny

>>16731336
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1947761761098318182
>The so-called 'big vent' is now in full swing at SLC-40 as SpaceX is thermally conditioning the feed lines ahead of second stage liquid oxygen load beginning. Liftoff of these O3b mPOWER satellites remains set for 5:12 pm ET (2112 UTC).

>>16731336
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1jMKgkmzjYyKL
T-13:00

>>16731323
is it just humanity if its also something like uploaded consciousness?
or some kind of transhumans

https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1947740169228194229

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1947767237504373066
>Cool Vapor cones!

>>16731348
there is no humanity without warm flesh. fuck AI kikes

i'm rewatching the test flights in order and it's even more insane to me that they went for a RTLS in such a short amount of time. it also makes you see how much the program has slowed down.

>>16731351
falcon 9 is a boring rocket
oh you landed on a barge? yawn

what's the name of the latina comentator again? i need a quick fap in between all this waiting

>>16731354
they try landing on the tops of buildings. maybe aim for the helipads of random buildings using a last minute raffle system. what about the roof of the VAB? anything to make it more interesting.

>>16731358
Jessie anderson or something I think. whoisheartbreak on x.

Kate tice is better when shes all done up with the painted nails and bangs though.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/07/22/rocket-labs-first-hurdle-to-flying-its-new-rocket-is-getting-it-to-the-pad/
>Rocket Lab has five oversized Neutron shipments headed to Wallops starting in September, but no approved permanent channel to get them there. It’s asking regulators to let it “kedge” barges through shallow water to stay on track for a 2025 launch.

>>16731362
See this is why i love spaceflight. It’s like trainspotting on steroids. How do I explain to my father, or to a date, or to normies that I enjoy following the politics of a new zealand company trying to dredge out a channel in virginia to transport a large rocket but their regulatory paperwork for this dredging hasn’t gone through so now they are asking to sidestep usual regs to temporarily ship their parts through shallow waters?
Who the fuck else in the world cares about this but us

>>16731351
A skinny British faggot narrating a private American rocket launch, by a company who's CEO is quite outspoken about hating Great Britain, their government, policies, voters, chosen trajectory and ultimate fate.
The best media company covering rocketry is British, and said coverage is almost exclusively for American launches.
Can no AMERICAN company step in and replace them? This is treasonous.

>>16731361
i don't necessarily disagree but jessie makes me hornier for some reason. the blonde looks nice and gentle but the latina looks like she would be a fun fuck.

>>16731310
classic

>>16731371
Dvach moment

>>16731371
https://youtu.be/nnsHliwiQ1g
She has a bunch of music videos like this

>>16731303
>assuming chinese companies don't build EV plants in the US (which they might)
Chinese vehicles are effectively banned in the US, no matter where they're made
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-ban-russian-chinese-software-hardware-vehicles/story?id=117627935

>>16731285
Giving SpaceX subsidies for rural internet coverage makes no sense. It is in the nature of orbits that the satellites are going to cover rural areas anyway, so there is no need to incentivize SpaceX to extend cover rural areas.

>>16731399
Shhh. This confuses and angers the SpaceX-cel

>>16731399
>gov: i'm going to pay for rural broadband access
>entrepreneur: cool, i will build the infrastructure
>gov: (wait after the service is ready) actually i'm not paying you anything because you are going to provide the service anyway, now that the system is built. be happy that i don't force you to sell it to me at $1

>>16731393
Literally wtf is this, autism perhaps? Or is this just a califag thing?
What a terrible day to have eyes and ears to observe this with.

>>16731210
>launch to orbit one time
GIMME DA CONTRACTS NAO

>>16731399
Almost as if socialist programs can just be a front for lining your friends' pockets and increasing GDP without actually improving quality of life.
Are you, next, going to tell me that it's actually GOOD that Dragon 2 got the shittier of the two awards for commercial crew, because Dragon was "going to space" anyways?

>>16731399
No anon you can't gaslight here, Biden's FCC asserted that SpaceX could not provide the minimum service.

>>16731210
>>16731412
Once again I ask why the fuck musk decided to burn all of his goodwill. Does Elon *need* golden dome contracts to survive? No. But he went and made enemies with everybody awarding said contracts because of his 'tism and now he has these uphill battles that should have never existed in the first place.
The silver lining (and partially my cope here) is that at least by fighting through the courts it legitimizes SpaceX as the cheaper and more-capable provider. Instead of just having Jared-NASA and Trump-gooberment awarding endless "freebies" that would be challenged by courts and liberals and anti-muskers as a form of unfair nepotism and monopoly

>>16731408
Yeah California is just like this

>>16731419
>responds to a post entirely about bezon
>BUT MUH ELOONZ
rent free

>>16731425
To be fair Austin TX is also like this, I am sorry to say

>>16731428
It should be, they're all from California!

>>16731419
>make claim
>get BTFO
>repeat claim

>>16731434
I do not know what you are referencing

>>16731438
These schizos debunk you in their own head and then think theyve dunked on you. Ignore him.

>>16731438
>>16731448
You are in your own little delusional world where SpaceX had a monopoly on government contract until Elon and Trump's spat and have had multiple anons point out that isn't what happened.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/environmental-protection-rules-for-rocket-launches-targeted-by-trump-administration/
>The order also directs the Department of Commerce to streamline regulation of novel space activity, which experts say could include things like mining or making repairs in space, that doesn’t fall under other regulations.

Fuck yes

https://www.satcat.com/sats/63235
is it just me or does it look like there an upward trend going? (this is the OTP-2 sat with IVO QI drive aboard)

>>16731475

>>16731475
>>16731478
then again I don't think they even turned on the drive yet despite teasing like they would, so probably nothing related to it

>>16731478
Tape is outgassing

>>16731483
doubt there's any outgassing left after almost 5 months in space

>>16731457
You are arguing with yourself. Noone said that.

Oh boy you clowns are not gonna like this. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NrDCvKp5-k

>>16731494
I only trust thunderf00t

>>16731494
Are any billionaires even talking about Mars?

>>16731536
We know one that used to.

watch your eyes

>>16731494
>Mars is actually HECKIN' dangerous and we NEED to stay away from it
>What are you doing, why are you still going? WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! HOW DARE YOU KEEP TRYING TO GO THERE, STAY IN THE BUCKET!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>16731555
meh i think its important to make people aware that life in the colonies isnt going to be fun or easy. expect rough living conditions and high death counts.

>>16731565
Like Musk has said during basically every colonization-focused talk?

>>16731568
i think most people gloss over that and think about how cool it'll be to open the first pizza joint on mars

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1947841291754344723
>Space Pionner has completed the launch pad rehearsal at JSLC (with the mock up rocket).

>>16731570
The people brain-dead enough to not be capable of understanding the risk either won't make it onto the ships or they'll end up as great fertilizer for the colony's crops after slacking on their pressure suit maintenance.

>>16731587
not spaceflight fuck off

>>16731593
no u

Wen Starshit

>>16731610
21 days

>>16731610
elon said 3 weeks a week ago, so its now 2 weeks to go

>>16731210
You worry, buddy?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1947701807389515912

xAI is building massive data centers very rapidly, the person in charge for these buildouts is a SpaceX engineer
I wonder how many SpaceX engineers have temporarily or otherwise switched to do some xAI work
probably unrelated to Starship 2 problems though, but who knows
SpaceX was mentioned alongside xAI and Tesla in a post by Musk when talking about AI

>>16729086

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1946742000893714690
>I resisted AI for too long
>Living in denial
>Now it is game on

SpaceX also invested 2bil into xAI, Musk mentioned SpaceX directly during the Grok-4 launch and that it might help them with engineering and I've seen similar hints from xAI engineers (like quote tweeting open eyes emojis at some people talking about grok helping with starship)

>>16731638
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1947715674429919279
>Cable pr0n of @xAI GB200 servers at Colossus 2

>>16731639
https://x.com/xAIMemphis/status/1947724711968051414

the batch talked about in here >>16731638
seems to be 110k GB200, which corresponds to about 440k H100s for LLM training purposes

>>16731642
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1947704195844608094

the 5 year goal is 50mil H100 equivalents (full buildout of Colossus 2 with 1mil GB200/300 is probably about 10% of that in equivalence)

>>16731645
But why? compute already hit a wall

>>16731648
lol no

>>16731638
>>16731642
>>16731645
imagine if these resources went into something useful like mars colonization instead of a gooner AI

>>16731622
HOW MANY????

>>16731638
He sure is fond of the endorsement of the guy who is selling him shovels.

>>16731645
>50mil H100 equivalents
He's actually going to make robot god isn't he

>>16731649
Yes. You can add 1000X more GPUs and get 1% better if you're lucky, while still getting the same unreliable slop

>>16731667
wrong

>>16731664
He's taking his Bob Page larp pretty seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juMRdaHDxKw

>>16731642
Each one of those racks pulls a kilowatt+ at max load, plus the draw for the massive network interconnect (copper is winning over fiber for now). All for... a chatbot

>>16731694
neuralink had their 8th and 9th patients implanted yesterday as well

>>16731696
neuralink refuses to use current day tech
this is a mystery to me, I guess it's due to some ITAR-like limitations but I have no way of knowing

>>16731475
>>16731478
Schrödinger's Propulsion System strikes again.

>>16731712
FDA regs most likely. Can't use cutting edge shit, have to use tried and tested.

>>16731715
It is a Quantum Drive after all. It will only work if everyone on board closes their eyes.

>>16731716
they are working under the rules for experimental devices already so that's not it

>>16731712
what do you mean?

>>16731722
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aat0626

>>16731723
Might not be practical for mass production with the equipment they have

>>16731724
nigger it comes in rolls like ducktape
did you even look at that pic I posted

>>16731723
this doesn't mean anything at all
where are you even getting this?
what are they not using that they should use and why?

>>16731721
They still need to do long regulatory processes, so cutting edge will never happen. By the time they've gotten permission, the shit is already old.
Never underestimate bureaucracy.

>>16731726
their electrodes are microscale when they should be nanoscale
they aren't using neurophotonics at all

>>16731725
>did you even look at that pic I posted
No
I never look at anything unless I expect to learn something worthwhile

>>16731730
what does that even mean
they should have threads that are nanoscale? what the fuck are you talking about

>>16731734
read what I posted, nigger
read
yes they should be using nanomesh electrode arrays

>>16731723
What's the penetration depth of those bilayer nanomesh electrodes?

>>16731739
For reference, as far as I can search out, the electrodes in Neurallink are 20 micrometers long.

>>16731739
you can roll them up inside a needle so it's whatever
https://advanced.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/adma.202400261

I mean, if I was a jeet H1B I'd be happy to be shitting up a cozy bathroom at Neuralink while being paid millions to repeat experiments from 1995 but...

>>16731738
so you have no idea what you are talking about
how are they going to implant a nanomesh array into the brain?
this thing is a completely different technolgy stack, its not the "latest", its different
neuralink implants threads that go into the brain at different depths
not just on the surface below the dura, but actually into the brain matter itself

>>16731745
in the pic they are below the dura on top of the brain matter
so this is an orthogonal technique
maybe an upgrade compared to utah arrays, that doesn't mean this is somehow the latest or best tech

>>16731745
It doesn't look like the electrodes have any penetration depth into the neurons, and just rest on top of them.

>>16731746
with a fucking syringe
>>16731748
they are using a flat array because that's what's best for their application
"ladder" arrays also exist, you can make any configuration you like in fact
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31361503/
>>16731748
it's the same technique - direct electrical interface
the difference is in scale
>maybe
nigger

>>16731749
>oh no they can instrument the whole cortex in a minimally invasive way
oh the horror

>>16731757
If the signal outputs are equal in quality, then non-invasive techniques make more sense. If not, well, there you go.

>>16731739
its layer 2 and 3 of the outer region (the cortex) of the brain:

>The highly transparent, bilayer-nanomesh microelectrode arrays allowed in vivo two-photon imaging of single neurons in layer 2/3 of the visual cortex of awake mice

the neo-cortex accounts for most of the brain's outer region and it has 6 layers, though some other cortexes have fewer layers. depending on the application, getting down to layer 2 and 3 (layer 1 is the top layer) is good enough, though in neuralink's case it might not be enough as they might want access to all 6 layers or to even go beyond the cortex.

i vaguely recall that neuralink was also interested in deep brain stimulation which penetrates many centimeters into the brain, so this nanomesh array wouldnt nearly be enough for that. however it may be that neuralink is currently focused on only the cortex regions. whichever the case may be, neuralink's approach is more flexible in the long term and has a larger talent pool to pull from in the short term, which results in a far better business decision than using the nanomesh array.

>>16731762
I think that retard saw the term "nano" and that is how they came to the conclusion that neuralink is somehow using outdated technology

>>16731764
you can inject a nano-array into whichever structure interests you
are you a pajeet working at Neuralink?

>>16731762
they are better in quality, that's the whole point
you can achieve resolution of 1 (one) neuron

>>16731766
>you can inject a nano-array into whichever structure interests you
that sounds insane. do the authors even suggest that anywhere?

>>16731768
With what temporal resolution?

>>16731769
you are a very tiresome person
are you brown?
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/acs.nanolett.9b03019/suppl_file/nl9b03019_si_003.mov

>>16731770
higher than you'd actually need
you can not only see when they spike, you can look at waveforms

>>16731773

Did I miss something and this became the neuralink general?

>>16731784
its one guy trying to prove neuralink = bad feverishly

>>16731784
neural interfaces are relevant to spaceflight since high acceleration precludes or hinders the use of buttons and such

>>16731784
Space is kill
Might as well talk about something else

>>16731787
I am not saying it's bad, it's very good that they are doing what they are doing, just that they are using old tech

>>16731792
Shut the fuck up, you dumb nigger

>>16731792
its a different tech stack you retarded nigger
you have no idea what neuralink is doing

>>16731770
here

>>16731794
it's a the same tech, Ranjeet
just 20 years more advanced

>>16731793
>shitjeet mad
lole

>>16731797
tell me what is neuralink doing?

>>16731638
>xAI is building massive data centers very rapidly, the person in charge for these buildouts is a SpaceX engineer

So the data centers will explode?

>>16731799
>pls play the definitions game
no

>>16731773
>>16731779
this is a different paper by different authors, but okay they they are similar arrays and i have seen similar tech before from at least one other group, but thats not what i was looking for. all of these electrodes lay on top of the brain which is fine, but if you want to access something like the subthalamic nucleus or putamen then im not seeing how injecting a net into the brain is going to be any better than traditional deep brain stimulation electrodes or even the thinner ones that neuralink has.

>>16731801
no, I am simply asking if you know anything at all

>>16731802
spatial resolution, density of probes per unit volume
neuralink are inserting huge single electrodes, one by one

>>16731805
...no?
Those threads each have dozens of electrodes

>>16731806
they are? good. I should read more of what they publish I guess
still, wrong scale

>>16731810

>>16731810
Yeah I think the first-gen implants that were going in pigs were 32 per thread. I haven't read anything on the newer hardware so I don't know what they're up to these days.

>>16731723
>>16731745
>>16731755
>>16731795
If this tech is so good, the company behind it should start their own medical trials with intent of restoring mobility in humans. Competition is always good.

>>16731817
there is some competition, yes

>>16731800
>v2 starships keep exploding
>turn them into storage for data centers
>they still explode

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>>16731863
fake and gay

THE FEDS ARE ALREADY IN FORCE!!!

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Grok, fix starship

>Le epic bacon XD
>$12 for four pieces
Is this nigga musk for real??
Is half the mars budget just gonna come from scamming teslabros on earth?

>>16731894
Millennials are just as bad as boomers, only cringier

>>16731894
>Elon can't even make my bacon crispy
>Think I'll let Neurolink shove thousands of electrodes into my brain

>>16731898
Bacon is best when the fat is still slightly soft. Crispy is just a euphemism for burnt.

bacon is overrated
whether is soft or crispy

>>16731894
I like how elon is reddit but also perpetually stuck in 2013

>>16731894
This jackass is so wild.

SCMP interviews Chinese space company about the bottleneck in building a constellation
>Meeting the Qianfan target would require the use of nearly half of China’s total annual rocket launches – an effort that appears virtually impossible.
>"Personally, I expect this shortage to last for at least another decade" the rocket engineer said.
>While five batches of Qianfan satellites lifted off between August 2024 and March this year, the company reportedly missed out on two of its bids for rocket contracts.
>In February, the company sought to deploy 162 satellites in nine launches, a task that required a mature rocket – one with a proven flight record – that was also capable of sending 4.5 tonnes into an 800km (497-mile) orbit.
>But with fewer than three bids submitted, both tenders were automatically cancelled – an outcome that did not surprise the Beijing-based rocket engineer.
>"That looks like a demanding requirement to me. Only a few Long March variants produced by state-owned manufacturers can do the job. None of the main commercial rockets that technically qualify have flown successfully yet," he said.
Chinese sfg struggling, the gap is widening with Starlink and Kuiper going up so fast. The only option is to keep bruteforcing an inferior product to a higher orbit since the 400-500km circular orbit slots are all occupied.

>>16731913
why dont they launch on russian launchers too?

>>16731917
That probably wouldn’t help in any way hahah

>>16731913
>hey we should make a satellite constellation
>let's um... put out bids for someone to make the rockets
>why doesn't anyone want to make the rockets we need?
Ol Musky got one thing very right. Reusable rockets so that you can have more launches, then a satellite constellation so that you have something to launch for profit until we can finally get off of Urf.

>>16731928
maybe things will turn around once wenchang finishes building out the new pads

>>16731323
His point is that if there's no other life out there, then it's about more than just humanity since if humanity dies out that would be the end of the universe as experienced. Everything would come to an end.

>>16731399
You are an actual retard. The alternative is that the government pays more to get worse service for the same people while also wasting billions on bureaucracy to oversee the whole thing.

If you want to argue that there should be no rural internet subsidies at all, great. But don't argue that we should all be forced to pay more for less benefit and more waste.

>>16731940
well it’s not just humanity. if we die out before colonizing the stars then we can always hope that in 20 million years elephants or something figure out rockets and give it a second go.

>>16731399
governments have been subsidizing all kinds of internet plans for rural areas for years in lots of western countries. i disagree with that on principle but singling starlink out is reasonable. what you say is true, but the subsidies many mean more sats to cover those areas.

>>16731652
You need a distraction for the 6 month journey there without hogging the internet connection.

>>16731955
how do you recycle or dispose of all the jizz?
Surely that's a massive waste.

>>16731965
it goes into the recycler

>>16731966
There wont always be a female astronaut onboard anon.

https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1948034398206747110

>>16731971
Sad how Starshit isnt launching these things as promised. The crappest development program in modern times.

If constellation had not been cancelled we would have a non shit SLS and a NASA designed lunar lander by now. Why are politicians so short sighted.

>>16731969
is the mass budget really so tight we can’t afford a single communal slut per mission?

>>16731977
you can get some really nice sluts in the 90-95lb range.

>>16731977
>>16731979
She prefers the term "payload specialist"

>>16731679
Actually yes

>>16731648
Two words. Venture. Capital.
If you promise AGI 2 more weeks then the billions keep on flowing. If you admit that it aint coming then all of a sudden your AI venture goes bankrupt.

>>16731983
>payload specialist
indeed

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1948044047823568997

>>16731991
dont they already have one? is that also located at starbase?

>>16731992
I think they started doing something at Sanchez but I'm not sure they ever really finished it and what the capacity was
and it has been dismantled a while ago now

>>16731983
optimus payload specialists

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1948042762626232436

>>16731994
Another absurd Musk claim that won't happen. He will have to hire so many mexicans and buy so many mocap suits.

>>16731972
What do you mean?

>>16731991
This is gonna be an absolute power hog

>>16731998
Starship V1 was meant to be launching Starlink sats as early as flight 3. Then Starship v2 was meant to be doing that.
direct to cell was always a Starship driven program, but because development has bene so terrible it's now having to be done by mini versions launched on falcon.

>>16731572
>pionner
Dumb chinks

How the fuck can things crash into eachother in orbit if every object at a given altitude is moving at the exact same speed? How is this even a problem?

starlink sats are going to keep growing in size arent they? by V6 they'll be the size of a football field.

s37 first aft flap being installed

sf soon?

>>16732019
why do they not sf before installing the flaps?