Energy can obviously be created from nothing, or else we would not be able to observe energy.

It’s a really simple argument, you could never encounter something without a creation mechanism.

>>16734118 (OP)
Go to mount everest, or nearby. Look at mount everest
Then run towards mount everest
Congrats, from your frame of reference you created a gigantic amount of kinetic energy in mount everest, as it zooms towards you (in your frame of reference)

>>16734118 (OP)

Obviously complete bullshit for any closed system. Correct question would be: could you borrow from nothing and pay it back later? That would be something useful!

>>16734151
You straight up observe [Thing] and you say with a straight face:
>[Thing] can not be created :)
You see nothing wrong with this? And energy can be destroyed and is in fact not conserved, but never created?

>>16734154

>You see nothing wrong with this?

Uhm, nope. Unless we throw thermodynamics outa the window ... and then we can throw everything right out with it. Assumption that the universe does not give free meals is just too grounded to disregard. Would have seen effects to the contrary otherwise by now, even if miniscule. Now energy cannot really be "destroyed" either, just put out of good use. Now even if we assume wild shit like a false vacuum we´d still not be "creating" anything, just running below the common gradient threshold. Now borrowing howevs ... why not? Could be in temporal or spatial terms. Could be impossible but nothing I can think about that does categorically not permit it.

>>16734163
Energy can be destroyed, when a photon redshifts the energy is destroyed.

>>16734163
Anon thermodynamics isn’t observed in the universe. It’s only observed on earth due to opposite forces acting on each other.

Earth, the planets and the sun will spin forever. No forces acting on the planetary motion. Gravity must not be real it must be centripetal force.


Also the language you’re using doesn’t clarify what energy is. To be fair no human can create from scratch any periodic element or life or the sun or earth itself.

So duh we cannot create energy. We just capture some of the suns energy and earth or makes from natural chemical synthesis

>implies "nothing" is something that can exist in the first place
its all so tiresome. the energy wasn't "created" the energy is all there ever was, the energy IS the reality, everything else is a mirage

>>16734118 (OP)
Actually energy changes, so your argument is garbage. This is pretty straightforward.