Thread 16734712

Would extraterrestrial math be the same as ours?

>>16734712 (OP)
It's somehow hard to believe that they would conjure up the same axioms that we have commonly accepted, but all the constructions in math are very natural, and so they must surely arrive at pretty much the same places we do.

Obvious notational differences aside:
The core mathematics that you would learn for any profession other than "mathematician" would be nearly identical. Though some common formulas they use might be unfamiliar to us and vice-versa (see: "quadratic formula" vs. "pq formula") as a matter of convention.

"Pure math" stuff might get a little weird as their nerds would come up with different conjectures from our nerds but all the fundamentals would still basically be the same.

they would use weird alien runes and unary numbers because they only have 1 finger and some super science people said that number base = fingers
also written top to bottom instead of left to right because aliens still use scrolls since books are hard to use with 1 finger

>>16734712 (OP)
a. f,h are two-to-one (except at 0) but f is injective
b. if f=ag and g=bh then f=abh
c. f=f(id)
d. one direction takef^(-1) where defined, id everyehere else. other direction if f is not 1:1 then no hf is gonna be 1:1
e. g=gf
f. prev part one dorection, other direction is because if f is constant then hf is constant for all h
g. (d) inj forms a class (c) its the top one (f) const form a class (e) its the bottom one

>>16734712 (OP)
No, but it would explain the same phenomena, so we'd be able to translate back and forth.

>>16734746
>number base = fingers
other choices exist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_base_13_function
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quater-imaginary_base

>>16734911
you can even count differently with the same fingers, for instance some cultures count with knucles so they can go to 12 on one hand, and I think the Babylonians were on base 60

>>16734712 (OP)
Not at all. They would have none of this set theory infinity nonsense which consists of much of modern mathematics.

The math used by accountants, tax collectors, banks etc would remain the same. Numbers were invented to keep track of money, multiplication for simple interest rates and tax brackets, exponentiation for composed interest rates.

>>16734960
How do you know they'll have monetary systems?

>>16734712 (OP)
This might blow your mind but using decimal numbers is already extra-terrestrial for White Europeans. There was even a resistance movement in the 15 and 16th century to forbid and stop the spread and usage of them.

>>16734926

Tell me you are a fucking idiot without telling me you are a fucking idiot:
> Not at all. They would have none of this set theory infinity nonsense which consists of much of modern mathematics.

>>16735026
Wow, what a fucking useless, pointless post. You just made a low iq insult and then copy pasted my post's contents. Try harder fucktard.

>>16735059
Low iq insult is exactly what a low iq person needs. Explain to me how the fuck set theory and infinities are nonsense? They are the backbone of a lot of branches in math

>>16734976
Is literally just a counting system. Does it really matter if you are counting money for florbflops or blimflaps?

I guess they either going to be like us maybe extra dick or smth, or maybe 7"1 aliens I think they will have something in a completely different way beyond our understanding and our math would be the same for them, maybe they even talk from the anus we can't know

>>16735065
>Explain to me how the fuck set theory and infinities are nonsense?
Nah, I'm not interested in talking to some clueless fucktard

>>16734712 (OP)
>Would extraterrestrial math be the same as ours?
Unless they are as stupid as we are, they will recognize that 0 is not a number and that the reals are just rationals.
I fully expect to take some flak for this post. I said it because it's true, not because it's popular.

>>16735087
I'm personally invested. I've always thought they were bs too. Why do you think so?

>>16735026
>Baaah! Baaaaaaah!
The herd is always right, isn't it Sheepie.

If you accept the purportedly (mental) property as an object of the mind then ostensibly the negative quality of properties as they pertain to their instantiations in variables or constants isn't merely their to circumvent some perceptual limitation that needs to be ascertained through deduction, but also some positive quality that subsists independently to, right?

>>16734712 (OP)
If the aliens got a way to solve Riemann's hypothesis, we would really like to know.

>>16734712 (OP)
No because math is invented not discovered. It's like asking if their cars would be the same.

>>16734712 (OP)
Probably not. Math is just shorthand to explain measurements. They'd have their own symbology and language. If they use some kind of consistent symbology you should be able to figure it out easily enough and vice versa.

>>16734712 (OP)
It depends on how big they are and how fast they move. It's natural from our perspective to want to count your stacks of gold coins, measure the weight of your wheat crop, and so on, as >>16736705
points out. However, if these aliens are regularly subjected to the effects of special relativity, and other non Newtonian physical phenomenon, I suspect their math would reflect that

yes it would be exactly the same
theyd even use the same numbers and call them the same thing that white men do

>>16738059
could be something analogous to Bra–ket notation

>>16735017
oh man my mind is literally blown by this

No.

>>16734712 (OP)
No, while arabs and asians and europeans all do math a bit different, extraterrestrials will be exactly the same as the image you posted.

>>16738959
I'm scared of the future

>>16739036
It's fake. But it's a good example of how math is not universal and has to abide by artificial rules.

>>16739038
>artificial rules
>it is just ambiguity of notation
a square is a square no matter where in the universe you are.
the ratio between the diameter and perimeter of a circle is the same no matter where in the universe you are