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>>16736021 (OP)
How to get FREE resources (study material, question blocks..etc) as a med student? Everything I've seen for now is paid.

Any advice for a cowardly pharmacist with a personality disorder no faang internship and a measly 125k salary?

>>16736037
How are you only making $125k as a pharmacist?

>>16736027
Don't you "Doctors" have your own containment thread? This thread is for failed STEM academics.

7, soon 8, months of applying and hardly getting phone interviews. Graduated 7 months ago, B.S. M.E. with a robotics minor. No FE and no internships though. Am i just fucked? is it over?

>>16736082
>Not getting phone interviews
Fix your resume
>Not getting offers after the interview
Fix your personality

does anyone have any lecture videos from universities for physics 1,2, 3 and calculus 1-3.
>khan academy
no i want a university lecture

>>16736109
https://openstax.org/
> Nooo I'm a zoomer I don't know how to read!!! I need something I can watch while scrolling reels!!!
https://www.youtube.com/@TheOrganicChemistryTutor

> Captcha: VGAYJ

>>16736099
I’m not OP, but how do I fix my personality? I’ve gotten half-way decent response rates on my applications, like almost 10%, but I really need an offer to not continue working retail while I collect unemployment. I’ve been rejected or ghosted by every job I’ve made it to the final interview for

I’m a pretty mediocre candidate, so I just bullshit really really hard

>>16736109
Read good old trusty Stewart Calc 1, 2, and 3 book. Then go take physics 1, you dont need physics 2. If you want more physics then search quantum mechanics and themodynamics on youtube, maybe electrostatics. Find youtubers that follow griffiths for qm and em and schroeder for thermo.
Everything is is unnecesary unless you actually want a degree

>physics PhD
>unemployed
>work on expanding skills
>make shitload of projects with actual applications in free time
>recruiters say "they all look impressive but we really need someone with EXPERIENCE" so we're gonna ask you to stay unemployed for a few more months
i'm actually pretty close to being homeless because of this lol, easily the worst decision i made with my life so far

Other than academics and career experience, how do you make yourself more marketable in STEM? Assume, for the sake of argument, that connections are not an option (as they are an option in most fields and it's a trite answer)

>>16736473
Hey, uh...if you got a PhD why didn't you take an entry level job in the field? Like a gopher or an assistant or something?
That's basically what I'm doing to get my dick in the door of working in civil engineering and science (I'm trying for both because fuck it; despite people saying We NeEd EmPlOyEeS bAdLy they don't have lots of positions open and they want to drag their asses on hiring)

I have the right background to be in quantitative trading. Maybe as a quant dev or hft dev or as part of their AI/ML team. But is it even worth trying? Seems like the interviews require years of preparation.

Also I'm no IMO/IOI medalist so I doubt I will even get an interview in the first place.

>>16736473
at least it isn't just physics. i'm a chemistry PhD in a similar boat. it took 9 months for me to start as an overpaid entry level analytical chemist with my theoretical chemistry background, then i got 2 years of experience and got fired so now i'm back to getting rejected by everyone even after multiple interviews.

>>16736473
this is normal for every industry job
have you tried national labs?

>want to get into the data field with a physics bachelor's
>specifically data scientist
>can't start with data scientist role because companies want either a masters or experience with data
>decide to start as a data analyst
>can't do that either because everyone and their mother goes for this braindead role
>have no experience so I have to start some trash data role
it feels like I'll land a data scientist role in 5 years best case scenario. any advice from databros?

>>16736500
Dude data anything is the worse fucking job to try for right now.
First of all because of all the competition and AI hype.
Secondly because LLMs are already good enough to do 99% of data science tasks.

My advice: focus on something hardware, get an MSc or PhD if you must.

>>16736493
>national labs
nta but this is bad advice in general because
1. Basically doesn't apply except to USA
2. Even in the USA, those jobs are really only ever obtained by the inside track. Some of these labs are basically 100% people who all know each other way before they ever applied. The openings are just there for legal reasons.

>>16736483
> Other than A and B, what characters are in the string "ABC"? Assume, for the sake of argument, that C is not an option.
Uhh, sorry but that's basically only what recruiters pay attention to. I guess projects? but that only works if you have the above stuff otherwise >>16736473 happens.

>>16736488
> no IMO/IOI medalist
Then you probably dont have the right background, save the time and grind for a career people are hiring for

>>16736511
Qrd on 2? One of my advisors recommended interning at one of them

>>16736485
>Hey, uh...if you got a PhD why didn't you take an entry level job in the field?
is this sarcasm i'm just not reading right or something? that's what i'm trying to do

>>16736021 (OP)
I wasn't admitted in any of the master's degrees I applied to because of low gdp. should I kill myself?

>>16736594
They're asking for experience, that's not entry level. Like I mean jobs that ask for like 'high school diploma' and no experience. You're applying for like shit that wants a bachelors degree.

>>16736592
>Then you probably dont have the right background

Yeah, I think so too. It gets so annoying. Every time I ask for career advice, people are like, "oh you studied math and physics, just go be a quant, lol" as if it's the easiest thing in the world. I bet hardly 5% of math and physics PhD would make it through the 7 rounds of quant interviews.
I'm more into numerical/HPC programming and all adjacent math but it's hard to find places who hire for this stuff. It's either AI or Finance and both are hyper competitive.

>>16736644
Dam bro is from low GDP country... Lmfao. It's ok ESL bro what is your GPA?

>>16736686
lmao I never seem to remember that combination of letters. GPA doesn't work the same as in the US in my country, if you pass everything with the minimum mark you get a 5 and if you pass everything with the maximux mark you get a 10. I have a 6.2

>>16736294
If you're getting interviews, it's because your resume qualifies you for the job. All you need to do to have a successful interview is make decent conversation: don't stumble and mumble, have questions (even if they're fucking stupid, a dumb question is better than none at all), make a personal connection. Ask the interviewer how they got started in the company. Ask about their background and what motivates them about their work. When they ask you questions about the future (where do you see yourself in x years), have an answer that segues into a question about growth within the company (I'd like to get into a process development role eventually. Does this company offer training opportunities or job shadowing for getting into such a thing? Etc.)

It's lip service and all you have to do is learn what a company wants to hear. They're fucking embellishing the truth so that's exactly what you're gonna do. Am I gonna tell an interviewer that I plan to jump ship after 1-2 years for a better paying job? Fuck no, they're gonna believe that I want to settle and grow with the company. Fuck em.

>>16736691
>>16736686
according to an online tool, that is equivalent to a gpa of 2.1

>>16736682
In your case it might be worth considering EE-adjacent stuff like controls, you could get some kindergarten level job doing process automation at a factory for $60K or something, or grind a bit and work for defense, depending on how badly you need a job rn

I graduated with a masters in bioinformatics a few years ago, what are the prospects?
What jobs?

And can I start my own business?

I recently got fired because the company overhired me.

>>16736682
Yeah it's so funny the way people throw around quant like it's a regular job. There's probably 3000 quant positions world wide and every single Chinese genius on earth is your competition for them. Woe betide you if you didn't go to MIT.

>>16736646
>They're asking for experience, that's not entry level
lmao what year are you from?

>>16736502
I just fall asleep studying anything other than data, since data actually interests me.
tragic

Could be worse. You could have a math PhD like me

>>16736021 (OP)
OP, how about a more comfy image next time?

>>16736109
>no i want a university lecture
Yes:
https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/recordings.html

Is a graphics programming job the best of academia and industry? You get to genuinely use math to solve genuine problems, it pays well (I think), it's a part of entertainment or medical industry, which is always going to be in demand.

Is teaching hs really that bad? I love jks in anime.

>>16737251
the only ones who like to teach hs are paedophiles

>>16736893
bro just be a quant 300k starting let’s go!!!

>>16737229
No. The best job of Academia is being a University President and getting to jerk off most of the day.
The best job in Industry is being a major shareholder.

>>16736893
That's 300k starting in San Francisco or new york

I'm so desperate for actual mentorship I started to cold email local mid size companies. It's so fucking retarded to have a job but zero direction and a tech grifting boss, I think I'll even consider a pay cut. Long term if I stay I'll atrophy I can't even bring myself to study on my own time because work is just 8 hr daycare where I just have to look busy but all I do is play dwarf fortress and vibe code using open source libraries.

I graduated April 2025 technically but has this job since April 2024. Do my chances of getting an actual, work my ass off job in R&D/firmware as a junior go up or down as time goes on? I'm not learning anything and I have a physics degree so it's difficult to compete with EE/SE guys even with a lot of research experience/work experience through uni.

>>16737471
Do a phd

>>16737471
we physics grads are truly lost in this day and age huh

>>16737471
Become a self learner.

>>16737471
>I have a physics degree so it's difficult to compete with EE/SE guys
No, it is not, it just takes a bit of work. I did it.
t.Physicist

>>16737515
Low key already am, just hard to do it when you have zero inertia because you do nothing all day for 8 hours and you can get away with it. I did buy some textbooks on shit like Kalman filtering so I'll start working on projects if my recent batch of job apps L out.
>>16737496
Guess I'd have to do a masters first. I've been thinking about it if I can't move on. Grades not amazing, .4 below cutoff for non thesis based but I think my ex-supervisor would give an ok letter of recommendation.
>>16737513
I genuinely can't understand how my classmates who are 4.0 bots without any research or technical club experience going to fare. But hey here I am with a B- GPA on a good day and more years of experience than degree years as I've double stacked clubs and research can't find a good job. Fuck my chud life type shit.

>>16737530
>Guess I'd have to do a masters first. I've been thinking about it if I can't move on. Grades not amazing, .4 below cutoff for non thesis based but I think my ex-supervisor would give an ok letter of recommendation.
There are places that will let anyone in for a master's. Especially in physcs which is not that great for employability.

>>16737528
How did you get a competitive edge? I'm going to self study PCB design and Analog/Digital Comm stack stuff / PWM and Kalman w/ some C specifically on STM32.

>>16737537
I had a solid background as an assembly programmer from an earlier hobby and was able to leverage that in high speed DSP asssembly programming and low level chip architecture. As a hysicist you will have an edge when it comes to interfacing with real life things and not just providing one set of signals to another chip when you can keep everything so abstracted it barely makes sense.
You can also show you edge if you get a /ham/ license and work on digital modes and advanced signalling. The dude who made FT-8 is a physicist with a Nobel Prize. This digital mode swept out the competitors.

>>16737530
Masters takes a 3.0 in a lot of places. Your GPA is below 3.0?

>>16737647
Yeah I know, 2.65 cumulative hence why I said .4 below cutoff. Bit of a regret but I justified it by working research 20hr a week concurrent to full course load + putting in 20-35 hours a week on a technical club.

>>16737663
Oh. Sucks. You could always do another bachelors to raise your GPA

>>16737663
Do a masters in Europe where they let in anybody

got accepted to the master's program at moscow state university. they have a great physics program and full scholarship. should i do it bros

>>16736021 (OP)
>it's another episode of dealing with a fart huffing retard without an engineer degree designing and commissioning a facility design, doing it wrong, and then getting mad at me for trying to fix them
God damn it I hate working for a defense contractor.

>>16738194
Yeah why not man. I heard Moscow and Novosibirks have great universities. I would do it if given the opportunity.

>>16734333
How do you get a postdoc at a prestigious uni? Is it even possible to bootstrap yourself out of irrelevant euro shithole hell? Or is the only way out doing undergrad at a prestigious uni?

My country has two "top" unis (both globally irrelevant) and I hold degrees from both. But I don't have a top50/top100 degree and the only way people from my country can even get into those is by having their parents pay up way ahead of time to get an international cert of some kind because they don't accept a regular high school education from here.

>>16737471
>job in R&D
get in line buddy. the line starts with >>16737496

>>16736052
>failed academics
I never wanted to be one, I just wanted to be a fucking programmer and make money.

>>16738211
IKTF

I’ve gotten to the point where I just let motherfuckers fail and swoop in after they’ve given up to charge them double what it would’ve cost to do it right the first time.

>>16738296
It's mainly connections. Look at it from the professor's point of view. They'll get a shitload of applicants, 87% of the ones that should be Einstein by their CV are actually mouthbreathing retards. Especially if the money is tight, or the group small, it can be a huge blow if the postdoc is shit. So many of them would rather hire the guy they know for sure is gonna at least turn up in the morning with their pants on and not be a total dipshit, rather than roll the dice on an unknown quantity that's better on paper.

Not all hiring happens through nepotism. If you come with your own funding, it obviously is less of a gamble. If you've got stellar outputs, well, at least you've been able to get yourself great outputs which is what academia is all about at the end of the day.

The hiring standards for postdocs are basically whatever the professor feels like they are. If they like you, they can hire you regardless of how well you stack up to the competition. Formally universities say they try to prevent this, but it's mostly posturing.

Finally, postdoc is a slave bitch position and just doing a postdoc at a prestigious uni is not actually that prestigious.

I have the choice between two student assistent positions.

One is basically a glorified art project but it's an extremely reputable national science institute. The other is dealing with actual cutting edge research but just at my mid-tier college.

Which one should I pick?

>>16738404
>Finally, postdoc is a slave bitch position and just doing a postdoc at a prestigious uni is not actually that prestigious.
I will unironically take any job that lets me leave this country because it should help me learn the language and bootstrap my way into a different job in the target country.

I could try to get like an electrician cert in Germoney while doing a postdoc.

>>16738499
>mid-tier college
>dealing with actual cutting edge research
it isn't. learn to recognize when people are blowing hot air.

>>16738574
>>16738404
as for the
>own funding
part; how the fuck does that even work? I only have experience working on Horizon projects and national research grants that are awarded to whole teams in my institute, typically as part of a larger consortium. In fact I'm running some work packages with multiple employees in a couple of projects despite still technically being a PhD student at this point. How the fuck do people find money for employing just themselves? Closest thing I've done are some quick jobs for technology commercialization but those require access to institute IP and facilities even if I were to only bill my own hours.

Why do so many STEM jobs require Master's degrees? I remember hearing before that master's degrees were "pointless" and to either get a BS or Phd.

>>16738576
Ehh, depends on the field and college, you might have some specific respectable niches even if the median researcher from your uni is utterly useless, like petro/geosci programs in gulf coast universities. Would agree that >>16738499 should pick the brand name project anyway though, unless the uni research is working perpetual motion machines or some shit.

>>16738576
>>16738804
I would be the research assistant to a post-doc who is part of a group of a star professor at my college. In fact he is basically the reason that national science institute moved to our campus in the first place because of his research output.

So it's basically:
Shitty project + the international brand recognition of the national science institute vs. getting into the group of a single star professor and maybe get a recommendation letter out of it while contributing to actual research (it's not a teaching/tutor position).

>>16737251
One of the most stressful and demanding jobs around in return for hate from your employers, abuse from parents and abuse from snotty kids. All of whom you are powerless against. You will be paid 40 hours and work 80. If that doesn't sound enticing then don't forget you also get a barely-above-poverty wage.
If you are man then any rumors of being a creep (often maliciously invented and spread by some little shit) will get you fired and blacklisted.
Don't do teaching at any level. Not preschool, not middle school not high school, not college and not university. University being the least shit of the bunch.

>interview for junior pay bracket technical job in EE
>2025 grad, experience, etc.
>request references, think it's in the bag
>no references actually contacted, follow up
>"sorry goy, you can't intuitively build out 6 layer high temp PCBs intuitively on day one and we hired a foreigner who will do this for 60k"
Can't have shit even with small companies. West is cooked if it's unwilling to invest in their youth.

>>16739059
What about university professor
>summers off
>high pay
>get to discuss interesting things
>access to university resources like gym
>people think youre smart
>TAs do all the heavy lifting

>>16738721
>Why do so many STEM jobs require Master's degrees?
It makes it easy for HR to whittle down the pile of applications.

Is a PhD worth it? I’m seeing such discontent with academia as a whole and I’m a terrible student but I wanted to apply math in industry, like that was my dream job. I just don’t wanna waste more of my life for a piece of paper just to have no career prospects. Feeling lost. Anons please help

>>16739745
>I wanted to apply math in industry
Those jobs don't exist, bro.
I'm an applied math MS.c. grad with a PhD in AI/ML and I would have loved nothing more than do something with Math in industry. Especially numerical math. But those jobs literally don't exist.

>>16739083
It's a career requiring a 20 year hazing ritual (with no guarantees of being able to stay in the pipeline) to get to that point thoughever.

I'm in a nuclear engineering program in France. The French are pretty good at nuclear tech, but I'm wondering are there good opportunities in the US nuclear industry? The future seems brighter in the US. I hate speech restrictions and the whole degrowth ideology.

>>16739814
Nuclear is booming in the US right now, if you want to try to get in on it this will probably be the best chance you'll ever get. It would be a lot riskier than just sticking to the stable French market tho.

>>16739060
>West is cooked if it's unwilling to invest in their youth.
Indeed, and it is getting worse. With AI, tere is a thought that you can eliminate most if not all junior positions and have mid level people do it all, with AI assisting them to up the productivity. The problem is, of course, that mid and senior level people have once been a junior, and now this segment is essentially shot.

>>16739083
You are smoking the good stuff if you think the pay as a professor is good in any context

>>16739083 >>16739998
Old but probably still close

>>16736491
>with my theoretical chemistry background
should've done something useful during your PhD

>>16738296
>How do you get a postdoc at a prestigious uni?
Three main ways:
1. look very impressive (hard, need to get lucky during PHD studies)
2. know someone inside (conference attendance)
3. dumb luck

You need a little of all 3, but 1 is by far the hardest way to do it.

>>16738579
>how the fuck does that even work?
You apply for a postdoc grant and you make an agreement with the guy that you wanna at his place if you win his grant and list him on there.
Then the grant money is your discretionary budget and you get to do research at the guy's lab. It affords you more freedoms, since you have your own budget, but you are also more limited, since own budget.

Most people, if they vaguely like you and have space, will go for such an arrangement.

>>16738721
>Why do so many STEM jobs require Master's degrees?
BSc is literally the bare minimum.
You'll understand if you teach grad level courses.

am i retarded for still wanting to do a pure math phd in burgerland

can someone talk me out of it

Should I quit my faang internship before it even begins in solidarity with Palestine?

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS IF YOU ARE JEWISH

what kind of jobs can i get as a soon-to-be EE grad in NYC (or any other major urban city)?
i got into a couple of car accidents (at-fault) and my credit score is really dogshit so i basically have no other choice but to move somewhere with half decent public transportation once i graduate

I'm currently enrolled at a Math degree. I have the option to study Software Engineering as an assignature.
Should I study SWE or go for another option?
I have interest in Game Theory, Relativity, Fourier Analysis ,and Modern Algebra.
From this options, which one look more solid on a CV? I don't think SWE is dead. My idea is to have a syllabus where the subjects can only be taught in an University.
I know I don't need an University to learn the subjects, bu SWE as part of the syllabus looks better on the resume if I write coding as a skill

I'm currently enrolled at a Math degree. I have the option to study Software Engineering as an assignature.
Should I study SWE or go for another option?
I have interest in Game Theory, Relativity, Fourier Analysis ,and Modern Algebra.
From this options, which one look more solid on a CV? I don't think SWE is dead. My idea is to have a syllabus where the subjects can only be taught in an University.
I know I don't need an University to learn the subjects, bu SWE as part of the syllabus looks better on the resume if I write coding as a skill

>>16736027
For medical its kinda hard, but top universities post their syllubi for each class in their boards online. Dig around, look into the prof for the class and if the textbook is to your liking go on anna's archive and download it. If it aint on anna's good fucking luck finding it lol.

>>16740126
No need, you likely won’t get funding anyway as of this year.

Why do people keep getting math degrees?

>>16740182
Bell hop.

>>16740419
They still think we are living in the cold war and that daddy govt needs lots of stemcels

I'm considering doing PhD in CS or CS-adjacent field (or field that needs CS), as I have masters in CS and also I've worked for 2y as SWE. My issue is that I don't exactly know on which topic I should drop 5 years of my life.

Question to PhD anons: Did you guys choose a phd topic from some "available topics list", provided by a uni or did you come up with your own topic and just contacted various unis to take you under their wings?

>>16740425
This depends a lot on the field and/or location. Keep this in mind when you read advice/opinions online. Regardless, you will be researching topics that are of interest to your PI, if he or she (god forbids) provides the funding. You are basically a slave.

>>16740425
the reality is that initially, your ideas are gonna be shit compared to an actual academic's so you will probably be following their lead for a bit. in later years you'll be the one driving it

>fuck around in the lab for a few years
>accidentally invent a novel drug
>working really well in disease models
>high interest from pharma
a couple years anons, just a couple more to get the money, then I'm free

I am doing a PhD, but my research group is clown-level bad.
Like the guy wasn't even a PI before I talked to him. He lied to me about everything basically and got funding through connections to play pretend scientist.

Before that, as an MSc student, I was in another very junior research group and the guy was very ambitious, but very clueless and he crashed and burned and took me down with him, which is why I am in this shit situation in the first place.

I now realize, how important it is to be part of a good research group.
I have lots of energy and above average technical skills, but without good guidance, and especially with micromanagement from a complete imbecile, I end up spinning my wheels in the sand accomplishing little of note.
Then there's other things like having good connections and team members that you can learn from instead of them relying on you to teach them basic shit because despite their supposed PhD, they cannot figure out how to wipe their ass in a technical sense.

>>16740425
Honestly the entire way through my supervisor has just given me projects and it's not for lack of trying on my part, that just how he operates.

>>16740126
>pure math phd
That is a degree in advanced unemployability. We have several maths PhDs ere wo have ad a real ard time getting any kind of work.

>>16740130
No, stay te course since the job market is imploding. Do not attend demonstrations as everyone there will be photographed and credit scores will take an impact. And it is only te professional demonstrters who believe that demonstrations have any real impact.

>>16740182
>what kind of jobs can i get as a soon-to-be EE grad in NYC (or any other major urban city)?
Qualcomm employs a lot of EE in San Diego.

Can anybody who isn't a big loser post their resumé?

>>16736021 (OP)
there is an university in my country called "ITA" (aeronautics institute of technology). It is the better university to study engineering in my country, but it is a lot more focused in military. Because of that, they dont do a lot of researches. I want to go to this college because i know i will understand a lot more of engineering in there, but i want to be an researcher. Even if this college isnt so much known in another countrys (please, tell me if it is), is it worth i go there? how can i become a researcher if the college dont do so much of that?

>>16740683
>Because of that, they dont do a lot of researches.
Sure about that? Wackpedia, for what it is worth:
>ITA is consistently ranked as one of the top engineering schools in Brazil and engages in advanced research in aerospace science and technology.
This might be a problem:
>During their first year at ITA, all students are considered to be military personnel and are required to attend a military preparation course once a week and receive monthly cost-of-living allowances[10] for it during this period.
Seems many join the military, not sure if that is what you want.

>>16740683
Go for the school with the most normie prestige.

>AVP Quant Risk @ Citi
>ETF Pricing Analyst @ Virtu Financial

Debating on which offer is better. Citi has a better work life balance, and less days in office. Bigger name globally and probably better career prospects further down the line. Virtu is offer a good chunk more money and better benefits, but longer hours and 5 days on site. Also not really sure where I can go from there other than another trading firm.

>>16736700
Market is hot and jobs are plenty but only if you have (you guessed it)
Experience.

>>16739060
>be 1 year into school still doing GEs
>want to do EE and maybe a master in ME if it works out
>34 already because I fucked around for too long before starting school so there's no second chance now
>see stuff like this
What the hell am I supposed to do, it feels like nothing is the right choice but also doing nothing means consigning myself to retail hell for another 40 years and I'd genuinely rather kill myself.

I meme'd myself into obtaining an Associate's in Software Development even though I hated OOP, databases, cloud computing, etc. I'm considering going back to school for Electrical Engineering but have fears it'll be an equally unpleasant experience. Are those fears well-founded?

I don't mind hard computational work as long as the problems are relatively self-contained and I can gauge how long a project will take. With programming it felt like I was hitting my head against the wall an indefinite number of times until something stuck or I somehow queried the correct solution, which wasn't very satisfying. I dislike SD for other reasons as well: the rampant cheating, the market oversaturation, how you need to lie on your resume, the idea of contributing to AI slop or time-wasting apps or datamining or social media, the idiosyncratic corporate jargon you were expected to know, etc. however the unpredictable workflow is what primarily turned me off. All STEM work involves tedium and trouble-shooting, but SD seemed uniquely awful on that front.

Electrical Engineers are in constant demand, the pay isn't bad, and there are tons of different subfields to specialize in according to your preferences. I know cursory programming knowledge is required for most work outside of power, but that's fine. Will I be disappointed? Is >>16739060 a common story?

Finally found ONE professor whose research interests aligns with mine. Turns out, he outed himself as a 4Channer. Fuck you Shewchuk, MORE LIKE JewKEK.

>>16741365
Another 2018 era twitter victim. Devastating.

I am the victim of a criminal conspiracy involving my supervisor and a cabal of so called rationalists or effective altruists. All I have in this life is my amazing genius, fabulous good looks and a faang internship. This is my story.

>>16741365
>Turns out, he outed himself as a 4Channer.
An older colleague of mine casually dropped that she was a regular on /pol/ and I was speechless. You just never know.
>Fuck you Shewchuk, MORE LIKE JewKEK.
That makes no sense.

>>16741434
Women can do whatever they want.

>>16741365
>muh sneed oils
another NPC focusing on what really matters, kek

I crashed and burned my university (engineering) career but I'm trying to restart it at a new university. going to still be studying engineering but this time in engineering physics. i was wondering if i could find someone who i could talk to. im 28 btw

>>16741241
>Is >>16739060 a common story?
right now it absolutely is desu
I have seen a job requiring a PhD in NLP and ALSO an additional 1-3 years of industry experience, for a junior position with TC about 80k USD, although this was not located in the USA.
Completely insulting to anybody with those qualifications, and you know the job listing is purely a scam to get an Indian into the country to work for slave wages.

>>16741486
Isn't that a CS position thoughever? An ABET-accredited EE degree attracts me because it filters out opportunistic foreigners.

>>16740036
Yeah I know. I got ML experience that no one wants. I got programming experience that no one wants. I got materials science experience that no one wants.

It’s brutal and I should’ve just precipitated proteins for 4 years instead

>>16739060
>drive two hours away for in person interview
>goes ok
>"we'll let you know in a week"
>drive two hours back
>ffw week and a day
>call in and ask if they decided yet
>"we'll let you know in a week!"
>nothing a week later.
This has happened to me with 3 separate companies

>>16741720
You are me in 4 years, lol. Any advice to your younger self?

>>16741778
They are just bidding your role out to jeets, seeing if someone will just understand you.
>t been there

>>16741988
undercut* , I understand you though, anon.

Are there any graphics/animation researchers that are using advanced math like persistent homology?

>>16742209
How the hell would I know?

>>16741828
Don’t delay treating your crippling mental health issues. No, hating every day during your PhD is not normal. No, spending weeks in your apartment without leaving and doing drugs and gooning for 18 hours on a Tuesday is not normal. No, screaming at 3 AM in frustration at your problems is not normal.

As far as career advice goes? It seems like doing internships during the summer is a fantastic way to get interviews and job offers. I just got an offer for 50% more an hour than what I was making salaried before I got fired based on rephrasing my internships during grad school as years of job experience. I did one with a company and one with a government lab. I learned everything about the instrumentation I’ll be using at my shitty, underpaid analytical job, but it is surprisingly easy to say that I’ve always used these analytical techniques since I started my PhD and that’s why I got these internships and so I have more industry experience than someone a couple of years out of their PhD would normally have.

If your degree is in chemistry, but your thesis work is computational, getting any kind of laboratory experience will be what carries you into a career unless you suck enough cock to get into a government lab as a postdoc and then are able to secure a scientist position there by sucking more cock. I’ve only ever gotten interviewed with companies because I sell myself as an analytical chemist with computational experience rather than a computational chemist with analytical experience. I don’t even mention my actual research, I just say I have Python and SQL coding experience and ML experience since normies can’t appreciate anything quantum mechanical. It’s one line on my resume and everything else is about using every kind of mass spectrometer or other random instrument that I have ever touched in the last 12 years.

>>16741720
>should’ve just precipitated proteins for 4 years instead
You'd already have a job if you had done that sort of nonsense. The job would likely make you want to die as much as the 4 years did, but you'd have one.

>>16742236
so why don't you have a job, you don't look half bad.

>>16742302
Actually I got an offer last week, it just took me three months of searching; two when I realized I was being fired and one month while unemployed to get the offer.

>>16742236
>in your apartment without leaving and doing drugs and gooning for 18 hours on a Tuesday is not normal. No, screaming at 3 AM
Replace drugs with just normal binge drinking and this is exactly me. They're gonna give me an honorary master's in gooning when I'm done. I started buying Natural Ice again. Sometimes I do experiments drunk because I have to come in most weekends and I don't have any days off.

Still better than 99% of other jobs for people of my social status.

>>16742236
>Don’t delay treating your crippling mental health issues.

How did you actually go about this? I have long term issues to spare but a particularly rough patch for stupid reasons got me feeling so shit 80% of the time that rope is the only comforting thought. The other 20% is fine. Getting sick of this when I don't have the nuts to actually rope.

Haven't sought help in years but when I did, it was either 1) an uncaring general practicioner giving me SSRIs during a 10 min appointment that took a month to book and telling me to fuck off no follow up no anything 2) some counselling that ended up being an old lady telling me to breathe this was also a 15 min appointment that took a month to book. In retrospect I don't know what else I was expecting, which is why I never bothered again.

This is career related because I can't fucking hold it together for 8h at a time anymore and I'm starting to snap at the workplace with shit that previously would have just been annoying. So far been able to do solitary tasks for a bit but it's probably already getting noticed.

>>16742469
Before anyone tells me to touch grass and take a shower. I work out regularly, eat relatively healthy, I'm in decent shape. I sleep shit to ok but mostly because my head is fucked. I have more than enough degrees, an industry job and a net worth of $300k-ish (not at all rich but not full broke and for Yurop it's probably OK).

>>16742520
>I sleep shit to ok
Getting enough sleep is a standard advice.
>but mostly because my head is fucked.
Cause or effect? Lack of sufficient sleep is a major problem across much of the West. I am on holiday just now and get as much sleep as I need. I feel like a different human being now.
And stay comfy. Comfy is also underappreciated.

>>16742469
I dont know. I thought it would get better by itself, but it never did. One day, I was stopped by the police when I was drivning to work. After a 5 minute conversation they drove me to the psych ward.

>>16742533
Great that sleep fixed it for you anon but I assure you this is way past that point.

>>16742559
Sounds like where I'm headed. What got you functioning? Meds or therapy or what.

Am I crazy for choosing grad school at CMU over MIT (CS)? There's a particular professor in the former whose work I find very interesting. I am interested in going to industry. So, the brand value of MIT is probably going to be very useful, but the professors are not as perfectly aligned to my interest.

>>16742637
Go to MIT retard.

>>16742637
I really don't want to hear this

>>16742637
Imagine being a picky choosey nigger on this board in the year of the Lord 2025. Best of luck if you arent a jeet.

>>16742520
>>16742561
-Get a circle of friends that you form an emotional bond with (two-sided emotional bond)
-Get a girlfriend
-get a real job or something that makes you believe that you have some productive output or some future
Come to me when youve done all these things

>>16740232
You should check if there is a CS sub field that requires or is dependent on the topics you're interested in.

>>16742469
I tried self-improving, finding hobbies, failed miserable at making friends and dating, basically all of the stuff you can do internally to feel better failed.

I think that some people need some kind of pharmaceutical aid to help with their depression (what I thought I had) or bipolar disorder (what I actually have) otherwise they’ll never be able to overcome a neurological problem.

Of course, I didn’t get actual psychiatric help for my bipolar disorder lol. I fucking trooned out instead and it took me from full blown manic depression to much more muted cyclothymia where my depressive and manic phases are triggered instead of persistent, so I’m not going to pretend like it will help everyone. Especially not because I just tried it because I was a degen lol.

But looking back, I genuinely do not think that I could have avoided killing myself through force of will alone, so I kind of lucked out on treating the root cause of a lot of my problems. I’m still crazy though, so take what I say with a grain of salt.


>>16742722
It’s very hard to just make friends and get a girlfriend, especially when you’re not well. The girlfriend isn’t going to fix your issues; women only ever exacerbate your issues.

>>16742445
I feel ya. I managed to at least get my PhD despite being a massive degen and I got paid to max in RuneScape and play through my Steam backlog, but I developed crippling mental illnesses and wasted 6 of the best years of my life indoors, so I am not proud of it at all

>>16742663
Why?

>>16742236
>No, hating every day during your PhD is not normal.
it is actually pretty common

>>16743172
Idk anyone who finished their PhD and was still normal afterwards, so while yes, it is common to be miserable for 4-6 years, it doesn’t mean it’s normal

I know an amazing secret about my supervisor

>>16743233
Years ago, a senior researcher came to our university along with his postdoc. The senior researcher had a great career. Unexpectedly, so did his postdoc. Normally postdocs are meant to change employers between each contract or risk stagnation, but this guy sure had a nice career too.

Years later, we found out that the senior researcher had been found on top of his desk - with his secretary in between. He was a huge guy and we were concerned both for the secretary and indeed the desk, both having served above and beyond the call of decency. There had to be some damage to the (structural) integrity. Anyway, he had to move quickly and ended up where I was. In hindsight, I guess the postdoc made a great career from knowing the secret.

>>16743227
>Idk anyone who finished their PhD and was still normal afterwards,
Grim

>>16743233
My advisor’s husband fucked the family dog and is facing prison time over it because he did it in public and got caught

>>16743227
I feel more normal than I did when I started (1'm 3 years in), but I have always been a freak to be fair. I have also started exploding at random people which is something I never did before my PhD. It is quite possible that I am even more insufferable and I just don't realize it.

>>16743227
Doing a PhD forced me to make peace with some elements of my life and my self that I may have been able to ignore had I stayed working and stacking fat stacks.

>>16743345
Lol didn't I read this in the news.

>>16743312
Wow

I guess my secret isn't all that amazing after all.

I think I fucked up.
I'm Italian and did my whole education, including my on-going PhD in Europe.
But all the work in my niche is in the US.
There is some work in Europe but it's mostly at HPC centers and you get a 2 year contract and get paid 50k.
What the fuck do I do, lol?
I'm literally in the most employable sub-field of mathematics, but still feel unemployable. Europe is just so far behind in everything at the cutting edge.

>>16743227
Most of the people I knew were rather normal. One guy was excessively ambitious but I guess that too is within the range of normality. Very few were on the spectrum, but in hindsight I guess one of the girls was.
She was super cute and we had seen Batman Returns with a few others, and she whispered to me that she'd love to get a latex outfit like the one Michelle Pfeiffer wore. I am happy to accepts that too as perfectly normal.

>>16743449
>employable sub-field of mathematics
>employable mathematics

>>16743475
I mean, somebody has to program the numerical libraries at some point, no?

>>16743479
Yeah, once, and they DO IT FOR FREE.

>>16743390
>I guess my secret isn't all that amazing after all.
We also had no less than three underground newspapers at the university, spilling top secret beans about various dubious stuff relating to the leadership. The people involved were never caught which is quite impressive considering the scale of it all.

Anyone else experiences similar stuff?

>>16743483
Seems like with shit like this it's either go all in, and try for quant-dev or AI, or just give up on life and rot in some shit academic job forever.

Can I get my degree revoked if I lie about working as a lab assistant there ?

>>16743497
I had front row seats to the aftermath of a PI fucking an undergrad and what struck me most was how clearly the top priority was to make sure the news never got out. To those in the know they of course said it was to protect the younger party. I don't think anyone bought it, but it was enough to make them feel like they'd be hurting a young lady by spilling the beans in some part of their brain.

Maybe I'm gonna make it bros. >>16737471is my earlier post.
>Talk to boss about year two of fed R&D funding
>Yeah should go through, w a bit more money for you
>Can't see myself being useful to the project after, tell him about honest limitations of my experience.
>Pitch him sponsoring me / pressing some EE or SE research group in edge inference to take me in after.
>Super receptive, said he would be down to do that.
How feasible do you think that is? I figure a solid reference / inquiry from industry to place a person w proven track record would eclipse my 2.65 GPA. My city has a decent amount of groups with "open to inquiries" on my uni website.

>>16743535
The most dramtic thing I experiences was during a presentation session at a conference. A big shot came up and presented some amazing results. People were taking notes, buzz was on the up. That is until someone pointed out a physical impossibility in his device. The mood changed wildly from excitement to shock to anger. The guy probably took early retirement, his reputation was well and truly shot.

How come the med faggots havent cured depression yet?

Is completing an ABET accredited online course for EE worth it if I get experience as a utilities/repair technician and do my own side projects? I can't move due to familial obligations.

How retarded of a move is it to go from Computer Technology to Physics? I've already figured I'd need to do a second bachelors. I also really like math and have already breezed through Calc 1 and 2 and Physics 101.

>>16743702
Pretty sure that’s not an actual EE degree, sounds more like an “Engineering Technology” degree. Most real deal engineering degrees require labs and physical projects that can only be done at brick and mortar institutions.

>>16743522
No.

>>16743702
Find a community college nearby that does a two-year Electrical Tech or Instrument Tech degree. You need someone who can help you land your first apprenticeship after you get the degree, and an online place can't do that for you.

>>16743751
>How retarded of a move is it to go from Computer Technology to Physics?
If you can hack it, it should be a good move. Computing jobs are in flux, big time, but Physics is safer.

>>16743702
>ABET accredited online course for EE
I'd be surprised those exist, make sure it is EE and not EET. Both can be ABET accredited but some states will treat EET differently for PE license purposes.
>if I get experience as a utilities/repair technician and do my own side projects
The experience would be good but doesn't count for shit as job experience.

>>16743808
All physics is computational physics and has been for a while.

>>16743764
>>16743810
Unless I'm reading the abet site wrong, there are a few Universities that provide a BSEE entirely online, e.g. Arizona, Wisconsin, North Dakota, et al.
>doesn't count for shit as job experience.
Understood. I could take one course at a (relatively) local college just to get a shot at being a research assistant (although I might be able to do that without enrollment altogether).
>>16743771
Prior to acquiring a BSEE I take?

it's hard not to feel smug havig a 130k job as a network engineer after partying and travelling the world for 8 years while my friends did their incel cuck degrees and now do not make more than me

>>16743871
Hilarious. Experimental physics is still a thing and industry, especially the semiconductor industry, relies on it.

>>16743907
That's cool. I'd recommend interning at a place where they do the EE stuff you want to do. Aside from that, work whatever job you want.

>>16743939
Thanks, yeah I guess that's what career fairs are for. I'll just have to see what's available.

>>16743808
Fucking idiot physics has always had an even higher unemployment rate than computer science

>>16743992
I already have a degree and career in CompTech, I just don't want to sit around doing it anymore. It's too easy, and I get bored when stuff gets easy.

>>16743751
Absolutely retarded. Why would you go from a more employable degree to a less employable one? And stay at the Bachelor's level?

>>16744032
Then go for a Master's in Quantum tech or something that also admits CE/CT students.

3rd year Chemistry undergraduate with one year part-time materials job at a commercial fuel cell company under my belt here. I learned a lot and gained industry experience but I don't think this tech will survive on its own once the government subsidies run out.

Where to pivot from here? Batteries? Semiconductors? Data?

>>16743992
Cite?
And news about jobs lost to AI cover more about junior roles in the software industry than physics.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.07935

>>16744275
>Source?
>sauce???
>uhh... you got a SOURCE for that take?
>yeah i'm gonna need a source for that
>[citation needed]
How about in the time you spent looking up random shit on arxiv, 41 pages which I sincerely doubt you even read and thought about before posting it as a response, you go and find one of very many readily available sources yourself, and you will see that the software jobs are losing more junior roles because they have vastly more than the jobs in physics anyway, and if you looked at percentages you'd find that even in the current bad market for CS grads they're at about 5-6% unemployment (which they consider unbearably high), whereas physics sits at around 7-8% and is consistently one of the least employable STEM degrees, and this is not even remarked upon in the current market because physics and its lack of relevant employability is so obvious that it isn't worth commenting on.
And by the way, I'm not going to bother reading 41 pages of a preprint when you can't even type like 3 words into google to solve your own problem finding simple unemployment statistics you stupid nigger.

I was admitted into two masters after a degree in physics. Should I study renewable energy or mathematical engineering for better employability and salary? also in mathematical engineering should I choose modeling or simulation?

Getting some very WOKE reviews on my neurips submission.

>>16744354
Anything with mathematics in the name makes hr sluts pussies dry up.

>>16744390
why?

>>16744392
Put yourself in their birkenstock clogs. Who wants some stuck up math weenie stinking up the free coffee machine?

>>16743660
>physical impossibility in his device
That is what the used to say about heavier than air flight too

What is the worst STEM degrees in terms of employability? Imo, from worse to best.

Mathematics
Physics
Chemistry
Biology
Mechanical Engineering
Computer Science
Electrical Engineering

>>16744392
Too nerdy/academic. Working in an office is like going back to high school again.

>>16744147
I'm not worried about employment. My job actively works and employs with physicists. I was just going to pivot around my same workplace.

I don't want a Masters or PhD in CompTech; I was going to get the second bachelors in Physics and then keep going.

>>16744149
I considered Quantum Computing and Information Science, but isn't that even more niche? I know there are research opportunities because it's still a progressing field.

>>16744312
I will, of course, accept your total, utter, and complete defeat.

>>16744415
No, mathematics is far more employable than physics, especially if you did applied

>>16744419
>I'm not worried about employment. My job actively works and employs with physicists.


Exactly.

>but isn't that even more niche
Dude didn't you say you want a challenge? Why the fuck do you want to fuck around in fucking undergraduate courses so much?

>>16744415
>Mathematics
If you did some applied stuff involving statistics and programming or even acturial stuff, it's a solid degree, though pivoting to data is becoming increasingly difficult.

>Physics
If you did some applied stuff involving statistics and programming or even materials or semiconductor stuff, it's a solid degree, though pivoting to data is becoming increasingly difficult.

>Chemistry
PhD is basically mandatory. Classical synthesis jobs are dying. If you manage to pivot to pharma, materials, semiconductors or electrochem/energy and have some luck you can make the same money undergraduate degree holders from other stem backgrounds do.

>Biology
Absolutely dire. Undergraduate degrees useless. Master's useless. PhD mandatory for a shit for omewhat decent life (pre-Trump). Guaranteed unemployment.

>Mechanical Engineering
Versatile degree, you still have a leg up.

>Computer Science
Not as shiny as it used to be, still solid.

>Electrical Engineering
Star degree. Especially with the current defense spending increase and energy transition.

EE>MR=CS>Maths=Phys>>Chem>>>Bio

>>16744415
dont listen to this >>16744595
retard
>Mathematics
Quant for the jews or computational mathematics (building simulation software for the engineers)

>Physics
there is absolute no use for this, the class curriculum itself is designed with the assumption you will go phd and research

>Chemistry
you could bluff your way into a do nothing "researcher" for a private company. Try to get the companies to pay for your phd by telling them you will create a battery with 10x more capacity

>Mechanical Engineering
All factories are in china. Vote republican or move to china. Besides everyone now days have this degree.

>Computer Science
I think you mean coding because there has not been any developement in computer science in a decade or two, all algos are already developed.
If you want to code then you will have a lot of competition because anyone codes now

>Electrical Engineering
Nobody knows what this degree is actually about so you can sneak your way past hr and get a do nothing job in a big corporation.

Overall it is very grim.
Our modern economy is print money, give it to boomers and niggers and buy stuff from china. The country doesnt need high skill workers anymore (until china cut us off)

>>16744595
>If you did some applied stuff involving statistics and programming or even materials or semiconductor stuff, it's a solid degree,
Yes!
>though pivoting to data is becoming increasingly difficult.
Do you mean big data and analytics? Or just software?

>>16744762
>>Physics
>there is absolute no use for this,
What??
>the class curriculum itself is designed with the assumption you will go phd and research
You need a PhD to get the interesting jobs though people I know from the BSc studies also got jobs without a PhD.

>>16744770
the only solid state physics i studied during my degree was 2 classes of fermi statistics
1. Deriving fermi distribution
2. Deriving density of states

>I know from the BSc studies also got jobs without a PhD.
which jobs?

>Quantum Mechanics
no jobs
>Classical mechanics
engineers just memorized every formula
>Electromagnetism
Electrical engineers memorized every formula
>Thermodynamics
you are not doing anything with the boltzman statistics of a paramagnet

>but superconductors
my school did not even teach debye solids which is the most basic one besides einstein solids
>but semiconductors
there are 2 dudes who works into some weird cutting edge semiconductor superior to silicon and 1 works for IBM and the other works for intel

>>16744811
>weird cutting edge semiconductor superior to silicon
There are many but throughout the decades Si has always turned out to work well enough and stay cheap thanks to leveraging decades of Si research. Of course, were an Elon Musk type to get InP or other exotic stuff going commercially it will be a dark day at Intel, who never even seemed to take advantake of isotopically pure Si.
Trump is right to demand a change in leadership at Intel. The rot has gone in too deep, and HP left the field years ago.

>>16744312
> physicist mindbroken by one (1) arxiv link
holy shit lmao

>>16744762
Undergrad spotted

> Quant/computational mathematics
There are like 3 open jobs in the world for this and you're competing for them with MIT grads

> Physics = useless
Agreed. Refer to the average gainfully employed physicist's opinion: >>16744312

> Meche = factories
Is this line bait?

> CS = coding
Granted this is essentially correct at this point but
> all algos are already developed
Irrelevant. No industry jobs care about new shit, there's a reason why engineers with a knowledge of physics invented in the 1600s get hired over modern quantum relativistic string theory astrophysicists.

> The country doesnt need high skill workers anymore
100% correct. We're all fucked unironically

>>16744811
>there are 2 dudes who works into some weird cutting edge semiconductor superior to silicon and 1 works for IBM and the other works for intel

You unironically think everyone working at a semiconductor company does novel research? Lol, total retard without work experience. Also ESL.

>>16744312
based crash out kek
unironically though I have no idea how people ITT are unironically shilling physics as more employable than CS, this sort of dogshit advice should be bannable levels of retardation

>>16744762
LMAO

You have zero fucking clue what you are talking about you stupid fucking faggot. Professional Engineers in the US are the most racist white dude coded gatekeeping system you could possibly dream of. You want an exhaust system for a Buffalo Wild Wings? That’s a stampin’. You want to design a 15’ diameter corrosive exhaust ductwork system for a semiconductor application? That’s a stampin’. You want to design a bunch of fucking toilet drainage systems for an apartment complex? That’s a stampin’. You want to do arc flash labels for a power panel? That’s a stampin’.

Fuck you you stupid retard because 90% of the licensed engineers in the United States that LEGALLY make all the infrastructure run are white males. Go look at any “about us” page for any design firm in the US and almost all the PEs are white dudes. Please, please challenge me on this because I know you are fucking retarded and have zero (0) idea of how licensure and actual engineering works in the US. Cmon hot shot, let’s hear it.

>>16744811
>>Quantum Mechanics
>no jobs
quantum computing and technology is a rapidly growing field that is one of the very few areas of science that even Trump actively supports and invests in
there are a lot of opportunities in quantum, both academic and industrial, and it's only looking to improve in the future

>>16745048
You're wrong

My supervisor is leaving academia after a botched penile lengthening surgery

>>16736021 (OP)
Someting rong in da spaectiem continuum, brudda. Let's discuss!!!
>>16745068

>>16745048
Yeah they're hiring for actual experts. Those jobs are both extremely competitive and not plentiful. You will be competing against people who did their PhDs in this topic and can expect to get absolutely smoked in the interviews by them.
t. PhD in very closely related field, still find these jobs brutally competitive

>not engineer
>actually marine biologist with Double in zoology (evolutionary biology)
>did masters in data science in 2018 and got poached into big 4 consulting
>last three years doing modelling for asset management team at large engineering firm
>paid 150k, wfh every day and pretty cruisy.

But I'm getting bored and wish I was doing science.

So tell me bros, is genetics/bioinformatics worth looking at getting into? I did a good chunk of genetics during zoology and I specialise in probability theory in my work.
Is bioinformatics going to be over run by chatgpt, or worse, shit skin Indians? Is it a dull career?

>>16743233
my supervisor overcame alcoholism, what a champ
shame I took it up

>>16745105
All bio-research is down the toilet because of the Trump cuts. Competition for the remaining crumbs is at an all time high. If you have already made your money doing your consulting and can finance yourself following your passion, go ahead but you are not going to have another 'a career'.

>>16745134
>>16745105
I should have clarified, I'm in Australia

>>16745135
And? I have met NIH-refugees during my fucking summer school in China. Where do you think these thousands bio-PhDs and post-docs will try to compete next for posts?

My supervisor got facial koreanization surgery and is now trying to become a K-pop star

My supervisor got a faang internship

My supervisor is notorious /fa/ schizo pigslim

>>16745027
>Professional Engineers in the US are the most racist white dude coded gatekeeping system you could possibly dream of
>White men cannot find jobs

I hope you see the correlation with what i said

>>16745020
>You unironically think everyone working at a semiconductor company does novel research? Lol, total retard without work experience. Also ESL.
you need to practice your reading comprehension. Yes, most of semiconductor research is not novel, none of this research is done by physicists however.
Look at spacex and tell me all the research is done by physicists. No, its done by engineers, Elon himself said it

>>16745249
Oh well if Elon said it then it must be true.

My supervisor has about the same level of this guy >>16745249 aka a retard

>>16745283
what color is your rocket ship?

>>16745249
holy fuck you are an actual idiot.

My supervisor is a transwoman and she is actually smarter than me.

>>16745290
Reddit bacon coloured

>>16745297
My supervisor can make a joke in a creative and not totally boring way

>>16745321
You will never be a real woman

>>16745026
Don't physicists basically code too?

>>16745803
Physicists straight out of undergrad often (at least used to) do that. Because at that level there aren't many employable skills you have as a physics grad, and coding was where the jobs were. At least in my experience the degree didn't give you a particularly good skillset for coding. We had about a (short) course each using C++, Python and MATLAB but none to a particularly high standard, and these were never really used during the actual physics courses. I suppose mathematics is generally useful, but I would be surprised if many people actually need that level of maths in their code monkey job.

My take is that it's not that physics itself gives you a great background for coding, it's that physics tends to attract the smart and analytical problem-solving types that make for good coders. Just doing a physics degree does not give you the tools necessary to do that work right away, and how much employers are willing to invest in bringing you to the level where you can perform will vary. Some places are just looking for the best brains (but the standards are very high) and some places are just looking for anyone who can do the job (but will just hire someone who already has done the job).

Looking at the job market news now, I'd wager that a physics major with limited prior exposure to coding will have a difficult time getting that initial experience.

>>16745803
>>16745870
There's also quite a bit of variation in how flexible employers are with backgrounds when hiring for grad jobs. I did my undergrad in the UK, where this felt very flexible. You had grad jobs that would hire people with a physics background in consultancy, finance, civil service, engineering (if not by that job title, at least very technical sectors anyway) just to name a few. Hell, the grad program for being an ALDI manager paid better than most physics jobs and accepted basically any degree.

This always seemed like a sensible approach, because most degrees aren't really vocational, and in any case most jobs require specific enough knowledge day-to-day that you only really learn it while on the job anyway. Of course, in the UK particularly with their integrated masters and whatever, people graduate quite young.

Whereas in my Scandi shithole they want you to have a specialization in their exact sub-niche. And so they either hire everyone 1) from the same pipeline they came from, or 2) India. In this system, physicists end up as parking lot supervisors.

>>16745803
>>16745870
>>16745880

Finally, if you want a job that actually makes use of your physics background, this generally will mean R&D (outside of things like academia, education, publishing etc.) and almost invariably requires a PhD. Both because the problems are very specialized, and because there just are a lot of failed academics with physics PhDs to pick from (like yours truly).

In any case, these PhD-level jobs in physics are specialized and not available everywhere. This will massively, massively impact your entire life and comes with a lot of sacrifice.

Furthermore, after you do a PhD, you're older and, again, more specialized. This is something I certainly didn't realize when doing undergrad, but a lot of those generic career doors straight after graduation close up right afterwards. And these tend to be the type of careers that you can at least do in more than two cities globally.

In summary: Physics isn't the best for employment. But it's far from hopeless and you certainly can get into various careers with it. Even if you did physics, if you just want a career, you're probably better off not doing a PhD.

>there are fields where papers often get thousands of citations
and i thought the rare article in my field getting 100 was a remarkable achievement

My PI is making do work in the weekends despite me working in the lab for 50 hours a week. Is this normal and part of the PhD experience?
I know other labs that get more done in less time so I don't know what's going on.

>>16745891
>it's far from hopeless
it's not that far from it though

Is a physics PhD really worse than a math PhD? To be honest, I cannot imagine a worse STEM PhD than a math PhD in algebra. Maybe logic would be even worse. Especially in Scandinavia where they want you to study the exact specialization.

>>16740130
First of all its true name is FAGMAN and not fAaNg.

>>16740419
Say thank you for Harvey Weinstein and his creations like Goodwill Hunting.

>>16745891
>>16745880
>>16745870
Appreciate the insight!

>>16746155
>tfw said FAGMAN at work to a colleague and had to quickly course correct

>>16746187
Haha based.

>>16745105
>So tell me bros, is genetics/bioinformatics worth looking at getting into? I did a good chunk of genetics during zoology and I specialise in probability theory in my work.
The job market has fluctuated enormously, great optimism turns to total depression and then it starts again.
>Is bioinformatics going to be over run by chatgpt, or worse, shit skin Indians?
Unlikely. LLM is good for interpolation but falls over when trying to extrapolate to somewhere outside any previous results, and research is all about breaking new ground. Derek Lowe has written about it, and the abject failure of in-silico pharmaceutical research.
https://www.science.org/blogs/pipeline
India does a lot of pharma generics but not so much in new pharmaceuticals.
>Is it a dull career?
Not sure.

>>16746069
>lab science
Lmao

>>16746217
Yeah, I’m finding out the hard way that all of this is a fucking joke. I’d straight up quit if the economy wasn’t in the gutter at the moment, but it is so I’d have to settle to switching for another lab instead. But in the meantime I want to know if working 50 hours/week + weekends is normal in academia. I asked other people in other labs and apparently they treat the PhD like a 9 - 5 or a 9 - 6 at most.

>>16746069
>>16746219

>is it normal
There are groups that operate this way and have for decades. Synthesis groups are particularly notorious for treating PhD students like galley slaves. Certain PIs are just dysfunctional shitty people and universities allow them to act like dictators. Anyone in power will only pretend to give a shit when there's a publicity backlash (and even then they will try to contain it as long as possible), like when some PI at Harvard chemistry had a few suicides decades back.

Obviously this is not how it should be. Your hours should be written in a contract and this is what they can legitimately demand from you. However you will find that as a PhD student you have precisely zero leverage, and if your PI wants to be unreasonable they can make your PhD impossible. The only real action is to leave. You can take it up with the uni admin if this is a hill you're willing to die on. The end result will likely still be that you won't be working for your PI anymore. If the admin has anyone with an ounce of integrity (unlikely) maybe the next generation will have a better time.

>I asked other people in other labs and apparently they treat the PhD like a 9 - 5 or a 9 - 6 at most
This is definitely how it should be. And honestly even more like 9-5 but with extra flexibility for holidays and whatever. Anyone going off about how they need you to work banker hours for McDonalds pay as the bare minimum to succeed is just delusional. But that attitude can definitely be found even among supposedly legitimate people. The people who made big careers aren't usually the ones who were in the mines working 18 hours a day, they're the ones who spent all their time networking, self-promoting and weaseling their way to claim ownership over more shit than they really did.

>>16746302
forgot my pic

>>16746304
He only alleges to regret something
https://xcancel.com/J_A_C_S/status/1302240951474294787
Made peace with? It sounds like he gunned down and buried the people involved.

>>16745870
>take is that it's not that physics itself gives you a great background for coding, it's that physics tends to attract the smart and analytical problem-solving types that make for good coders.
wrong take. the actual reality is that in a rock bottom interest rate environment tech companies had trillions in risk free capital floating around they could spend on pursuing any old retarded business idea. so they did just that, hiring anybody who can practically code. anyone literate with 130+IQ can code basically out of the box, just by figuring shit out as they go. STEM degrees at good unis have a 130ish median IQ.

ergo, tons of STEM grads from all kinds of random unrelated disciplines got hired as codemonkeys, because demand far outstripped the supply of actual bona fide CS grads for a long time.

>>16746304
>>16746302
>should
>ought
supply and demand. why not take what you can get? why not hire someone just as smart but also willing to work weekends and long evenings just for the opportunity?

>>16745927
the fields where some papers get tens of thousands of citations have thousands of other slop papers for each super successful one

>>16746302
Thank you for the detailed answer.
The lab is not even a synthesis group but rather an analytical one. I literally just operate one instrument for our collected samples and that’s it, nothing too special. Our lab is pretty new and my uni is not special at all. My funding situation is not even that good, only enough until the end of next year. Everything about my lab is complete trash with nothing going for it.
There is one professor willing to talk to me about why I want to leave and another helping me switch labs, all behind her back. Maybe I’m lucky that my uni has one of the better admins, or maybe they are just trying to fuck me over even more while pretending to help me.

24,000 viewers... looks like the gorilla nest meme only helped Sam's career... what are we going to do koshersissies?

>>16740042
>a postdoc grant
How exactly do those work? Are they issued by the labs/universities/local governments in the country of the university? Or do I get them literally wherever in the world and then go to a university of my choice?

The fact that I've spent all my "academic" career working at a state owned research institute funded under work packages in massive European Commission projects with dozens of labs contributing means I have zero understanding how this individual funding stuff works. I've seen soem e-mails from my university about applying for PhD funding and such but those offer completely laughable amounts, enough for like 10-25% load in standard hourly rates for 6-12 month periods, which is not even in the ballpark of what you need to do any research in my field.

>>16746302
>like when some PI at Harvard chemistry had a few suicides decades back
When a certain Nobel laureate had no less than three suicides in his group, it is time to look closely at his works too.

>>16746713
There a basically two types: (i) please come to Japan gajin -- i.e. the host university's country pays ; and (ii) the home country pays. I would apply for money from a Swedish fund to go abroad. For instance, the Wallenberg (large Swedish crypto-jew family) fund or the Swedish Research Council.

Surely, teaching hs must be better than corporate hell, right?

>>16746806
I looked into it and from what I understand the basic bitch type of postdoc grant is something called a "fellowship", where
>researcher finds group at host university
>host university group leader agrees to provide space and equipment
>researcher writes project proposal for his research idea assuming the use of host institution facilities and resources
>host institution group lead describes what support they can provide and endorses the proposal
and you hand this in at a scheduled call for proposals at some funding institution. the funding institution then decides whether to accept, and if it accepts it makes a contract with the host institution, and the host institution hires the researcher.

if I'm in the EU, I could theoretically use the process to apply in a program like the Marie Curie one (which I always thought was just for foids but turns out it's for everybody, they just used a name that made me think it was for foids only)

is my understanding of the process correct? how does this interface with the normally scheduled Horizon Europe grind at westoid institutions? or are they not as utterly reliant on EC money just to keep the lights on, as we are here in the communist block (government base funding for my institute is just 10% of our total budget, everything else is secured through grant applications, mostly internationally)

>>16746853
If you live in a civilized country or can get a gig at a fancy private school, sure.
If you live in Canada/US/UK, you're fucked. My kid brother is in high school, I graduated a decade ish ago, and the difference is genuinely night and day whenever I see his school when I visit him. Kids genuinely are either unable or unwilling to read more than a paragraph or follow basic directions. If you wanna be blackpilled check the teachers reddit, every day half the posts are stuff like "in my 500 years of teaching these kids are the most demotivated/idiotic/violent/etc I've ever seen". Unless they have you on a schedule like >>16746304 then don't quit your job, if they do at least work trades, if you really wanna teach work for a private tutoring company or something. Everything I have heard about grade school teaching is that it is utterly miserable.

I'm entering the first year of my physics bachelors. The program recommends that I take computer science as my science option, but I don't like coding so I'm taking astronomy instead. Have I screwed myself over for getting lab internships?

>>16740020
>male, female
Why? Just to show how "women have it tough" (pls ignore all the "position open to women/gender diverse people's" openings)

>>16744151
Batteries and semiconductors do seem worthwhile, yes.

>>16747431
>as my science option
what does this mean?

>About to finish Master's
>Lost all interest
>I actually would prefer to go backpacking or get a small farm
>ADHD decided to kick in and there are no psychiatrists in this God forsaken land, only psychologists
I just need to finish my thesis, I would pay anything to get Adderall or some other shit

>>16747531
>get
fuck

Go to LinkedIn. Find me a person in Europe with a pure math PhD, no further education after the PhD, who is employed outside academia. I mean something real, not dog groomer or outreach manager. Pure math PhD is objectively the worst STEM degree possible for employment.

>>16747531
Do you have a job lined up?

>>16747676
There is a regular in this general who fits your requirement, last seen working at SAAB (I think).

>>16747676
My GF works in Formal Verification for the government, but there are also many industry positions for that line of work. She got the job without any prior experience.
She's the ginger girl with long legs and big tits on Linkedin.

>>16747768
but your GF is Canadian

>>16747507
I'm required to take a certain number of science courses outside my department. The program page recommended computer science, but I chose basic astronomy (I'm pretty sure it's a super easy rocks-for-jocks tier class) instead. I'm also taking honors calculus/linear algebra when the program told me to do the basic versions of those classes; I'm in mathematical physics and I've already done AP Calculus BC, so knowing how to do math proofs will only help me.
I hope to get lab internships next summer (or the summer after if that's not possible for first years). I want to become a PhD researcher, and I know you can't get anywhere beyond bachelor's if you don't have lab jobs you can get recommendation letters from. I know basic Python and HTML, and Javascript and CSS nearly killed me, so I wouldn't be able to do anything coding-related. Will that be a killer for lab opportunities?

Should I switch to trying to do power engineering?

I'm currently an aerospace undergrad focusing on autonomous systems. The entire field feels like it's just AI/ML with slightly more math and I wouldn't be surprised if it got flooded with CS normies or H1Bs in the next 10 years. Currently my strategy is to do a PhD and then work for defense or space where security clearances will filter 70% of the competition.

Everything I see about power engineering is that it is very employable, pays pretty well, etc. All things equal, I'd rather build rocket ships or whatever, but I want a job. Why shouldn't I take the powerplantpill?

>>16747957
>Power engineering is that it is very employable
It is and it's a massive field. A lot of industries need power engineers.
>pays pretty well
Well, that's dependent on a lot of things. Currently I'm an EIT and I get paid shit, though that's probably because I work for a defense contractor and they don't give a fuck. I've seen them hire fucking bozos with business degrees as an "engineer". You need a PE to actually make good money and some industries will pay more than others. Oil and Gas is easily the highest paying for power engineers however, the caveat is you're working in shit environments (Saudi Arabia, offshore oil rigs, etc).

chem E bros how we feeling. I haven't had any trouble, just got a big pay increase with a job hop but it seems like new grads are getting eviscerated right now. Indian CoEs are probably eating into those job recs.

>>16747983
> working in shit environments
Honestly I wouldn't mind living in rural Kentucky or wherever, the COL is magnitudes lower and all my entertainment nowadays is either vidya or books so "muh city life" has zero benefit to me.
> I've seen them hire fucking bozos with business degrees
Is this genuinely industry-standard practice? The main thing worrying me is that if I full send into power, then HR clankers will reject me anyways cuz I'm not an EE. I don't mind self studying shit or doing projects but the lack of credentials is my issue.

>>16748014
>Is this genuinely industry-standard practice?
It is in defense companies, ie, Lockheed/Northrop/Raytheon/etc. They pay dogshit wages and are shit to work for which means high attrition rates, so they take anyone who can bullshit their way through OR they got connections with the hiring manager. With all that being said, you're not completely fucked. If your Aerospace degree is ABET accredited, take the FE in Electrical and Computer Engineering. Personally if I was a hiring manager and I saw that, I wouldn't give a shit about the degree that much as you're competent enough to learn EE enough to pass the FE exam.

I love academia.

It's 2025, but you still have to be extremely privileged to be a scientist in a lot of fields. Otherwise it's just career suicide.

Sure, I like graph theory, but what the fuck am I going to do with a PhD in Graph Theory? Condemn myself to a series of low paid post-docs that force me to move around the world every couple of years?

No, I cannot do that to myself. I come from nothing. I need money to make something of myself.

>>16748128
you proles shouldn't be doing science in any case, perfectly serviceable menial jobs for your lot. why try to jump above your station? you will not be happy. stay in your lane.

>>16748101
Im an ee graduating this semester. Should I take my FE and try to get into power jobs? I have no relevant work experience in anything ee
I dont mind travelling or working hard conditions

>>16748128
If you have a high IQ, being a scientist is mostly a waste, anyway, because scientists are the close to the bottom of the hierarchy of professional jobs, having neither any political nor monetary power and being completely at the mercy of everyone else. It's just that when you spend too much time in academia your perception is warped and you delude yourself into thinking that scientists are highly esteemed by the rest of society.

>>16748148
this is bs though, in hot fields leading scientists have tons of funding they can manage, be it in academia or corporate r&d

I'm still waiting for my uni to rubber stamp my dissertation so it can proceed to review but I'm already way ahead of a run of the mill engineer in my field in terms of the bargaining power I have with corpos and the leeway I get to make my own decisions. I work as a researcher at a national lab, some of my work is managing EC projects but some is pitching and managing contract research for the corpos.

being a scientist with funding automatically puts you in a middle management position or higher. being a scientist with a bit of experience at a small to medium tech (actual tech, not SWE) company is often a fast track to the CTO slot.

>>16748155
you work at a national lab and you think you are hot shit, literally proving me right

>>16748148
>scientists are the close to the bottom of the hierarchy of professional jobs
Not all researchers are postdocs. Some have tenure.

>>16736037
Did you at least get to go to a shitty no name school or did you actually shell out $500k for USC

>>16748144
You should take the FE in general, but if you want to do power then it's a must have.
>no relevant work experience
Doesn't matter, just apply around right now. When you graduate you should be able to get a job.

>>16747677
kek

>>16748164
no, my point is that even a fucking loser scientist is still above the average wagie engineer because a scientist manages engineers and pays them salary from his budget.

>>16748219
I was mocking some freak from the last thread and I will never stop.

>>16748123
I love it but they don't love me back.

I'm being persecuted by vile rationalists and effective altruists, the most evil people on earth

>>16749104
take your meds JP, not the benzos, the antipsychotics

>>16749362
Very low vibrational post, you aren't ready to parlay with me. Bring something new to the table next time.

Believe it or not 100k is not actually common in new york city even if it's the average

>>16747676
But math is ripe for quantitatives right?

>>16749850
There is maybe 6000 quant jobs on the planet.

How the fuck do I become a quant.

>>16748128
You know, you could chose a field less esoteric than graph theory? Solid State Physics is always a reliable career choice.

>>16748128
If you can't find applications of something like graph theory, you wouldn't have found a job even if you did an MBA.

>>16736511
>>national labs
>nta but this is bad advice in general because
>1. Basically doesn't apply except to USA
National labs are attractive inJapan and I worked in one, as a foreigner.

My faang AI research internship isn't enough I need to make 7 figures first year in quant aaaaaaaaaaaaa knowing some smug fucks from my PhD cohort are doing this is driving me nuts if they had to live my life for even a second they would kill themselves aaaaaaaaaa

I'm never going to stop posting this btw, so if you are the cowardly pharmacist from the last thread you can fuck yourself.

>>16749914
>>16749850
Why does everyone on this shitass thread want to become a quant. I expected to see real scientists and engineers here who research airplanes or semiconductors or whatever not "how to get le wall street job with le counting theory and le python???!?!?!1?" like half the posts here are. Go back to /g/ PLEASE.

>>16750283
Pursuing a career in science has left me a twisted and deeply troubled freak, it has honestly ruined my life and led to a great deal of unhapiness. At the very least I should get some money out of it, especially considering I've run out of road where I could continue on the path of doing real science.

>>16736511
many european countries follow the german detached institute model to some extent where you've got a bunch of independent research institutes that are technically non-profit and to a large extent fund their work through big Horizon EDF etc projects and contract research

the jobs are ok, better than uni ones by a lot, but the institutes tend to have very poor PR outreach so most students don't even realize they exist.

I work at an EE&CS one in a small country, didn't know it existed until the second year of my MSc - even though by research funding it's in the top 5, competing with all the top unis

>>16750236
what field? how did you get in?

>>16750283
>real scientists and engineers
define a real scientist or engineer. I work as a robotics researcher full time, I've also got an engineering degree and previously worked as a mechanical engineer for a while designing industrial machinery.

these are shit tier jobs. of course everyone wants out

>>16750437
You're a real engineer. Working to expand or implement human knowledge is science/engineering. Building stock trading bots or adware to the detriment of average people is not real science/engineering. Quant firms have propagandized undergrads into believing otherwise.

> these are shit tier jobs
I agree, and I don't think this is a good thing. Do you think it's right that our brightest scientists get vacuumed up by hedge funds because research jobs (and all jobs except big finance) have seen salary cuts for the past 30 years?

>>16750521
Quant funds are more ethical than building killer robots for israel you naive fool

>>16750434
I worked in a field within solid state physics and devices. I applied for and got a two year STA fellowship and a position as a reserch fellow at The Electrotechnical Laboratory ("Densouken") in Tsukuba outside Tokyo.

>>16750283
>real scientists and engineers
I hear 20 percent of Physicists end up in finance and 20 percent end in management consulting. Not sure where the rest go but things sure have changed.
There was a huge change around 1989 when the Berlin wall came down and people demanded to see the "peace dividend". It ended with cutting deeply in defence research funding, and I think that is when science careers changed a lot.

>>16750521
>Do you think it's right that our brightest scientists get vacuumed up by hedge funds
no I wish they also took dullards like me ;(

>>16750708
Did you know people on the inside or was it some sort of open call thing?

>>16744595
anyone who says engineering over math/physics/chem in the current economic climate is either painfully out of touch or a psychopathic grifter trying to turn a generation of bright kids into wage workers
Meche and Ee went through what CS and It are going through right now in the 90s

>>16750865
It was open call, I knew nobody inside. I knew a fellow student who graduated and went to Japan for a fellowship so I was inspired to try the same but had no contact persons inside ETL.

>>16751122
Was the funding application conditional on the position or vice versa?

i.e., is the process
>apply and secure funding
>get a position as a researcher by showing them you have funding
or
>get a position as researcher
>secure funding for position

or was it some convoluted joint process?

Just spent the whole afternoon applying to private student jobs/college student assistent jobs I am completely underqualified for, lol.

You earn fucking minimum wage and are required to already have fucking experience in shit like programming quantum computers or something. fml

>>16750902
Lmao, shut the fuck up you stupid physics undergrad. You haven't worked a single second in private industry and you are going to have your comeuppance very soon. MechE, ChemE and EE still are solid careers, especially with current developments in energy and defense. As Trump is closing down more public scientific institutes from NASA to telescopes your ilk will have even less career prospects less. Have fun being a shitty security and compliance officer and a shitty nuclear plant in the middle of nowhere where you get to count the number of fire extinguishers in the building.

>>16751895
there are hundreds of applicants for every real job position out there. might as well throw in some requirements to auto filter the human trash

>>16751901
I don't get the point of doing an academic undergrad anyway. You can do a physics PhD with an engineering degree but you can't be an engineer with a physics degree.

I read this paper that dropped 3 years ago. They had an interesting idea in their conclusion that I want to explore. Is it cool to do that or should I reach out to the authors first? I haven't seen any further papers talking about their idea.

>>16752213
do you have any institutional credibility? decent chance they'll just ignore you.

after you publish your first paper you start receiving an endless flood of spam to the correspondence address. if it's a decent mailbox service like gmail that spam just gets hidden and I never even see it unless I go specifically looking for it. even then it will probably get drowned out in the sea of automatically generated garbage referencing the same paper in phishing attempts and/or sketchy thirdie journals offering publication opportunities

>>16752213
>>16752265
but to answer your original question, why wouldn't it be cool to do? anything published is public knowledge, use it however you see fit.

the only concern is that if another research group is working on something they might publish first. but if it's as you say, 3 years without any updates it's probably long forgotten.

>>16752265
Im not in academia so it would just be me

>>16752272
i dont want to be seen as taking over their idea in case they are still working on it

>>16751837
The STA fellowship (at least back then) was combined: I applied for a STA fellowship in a specific field at ETL, and funding, salary and even a flat was included in the package.
I got the impression that the fellowship was a two way process where the Japanese government wanted to bring Westerners into Japan for a period, thus the culture and language courses that also were included. I managed to pass the lowest two Japanese proficiency tests while I worked there.

>>16751901
>MechE, ChemE and EE still are solid careers,
... in China
>especially with current developments in energy and defense.
So far defence is mostly talk, real expansion of funding for defence is still a long way off.

>>16752275
>i dont want to be seen as taking over their idea in case they are still working on it
If they didn't want to invite the possibility of this happening they shouldn't have published the idea without actually doing the work.

Which brings me to the second part, namely that saying "this might be cool" is light years away from that thing being a) possible in reality b) claimable in any meaningful amount by the person who said it.

The fact that they didn't follow up probably means it's either not actually such a good idea or it is very non-trivial to implement in reality. In any case, you are very free to pursue your own efforts in that direction and do not need anyone's consent to do so. If you want to be proper, you can cite their work if you produce a publication.

China is VERY strong...

>>16751901
you sound well adjusted. enjoying making 70k?
>>16752177
>You can do a physics PhD with an engineering degree but you can't be an engineer with a physics degree.
lol. lmao

>>16752513
I'm literally an engineer with a math PhD.

>>16744595
EE and Mech E makes less than IT. Far less than CS.

Systems Engineering is management for engineering. MBA is desk jocky required now for higher level management roles. Other offshoots of management like IT management are dead on arrival.

Biology is dead even if you want to be a doctor they have actual pre-med degrees that help you with the MCAT unlike before which required you to start studying for it a year before graduating and a gap year extra to study for. You still need to internship at a hospital if you want to get picked up. PhD Biology/biomed/biotech is still useful but shits fucked right now due to NIH funding and lack of DOD funding in general

Physics, Mathematics, Aeronautic tend to move to aviation, naval research and radar/satellites/antenna. Those are generally not IT but share some space in the field of telecommunications(known as IT now)

>>16752513
Look, he didn't even deny being a dumb physics undergraduate that has never worked in his life. Bull's eye. I can sniff out these idiots from afar. You'll face reality very soon.

>>16752275
>i dont want to be seen as taking over their idea in case they are still working on it
To the contrary, you joining in just build community. Secondly, verifying previous published results is something science needs a lot more of.

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