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Anonymous No.16738069 >>16738092 >>16738098 >>16738110 >>16738122 >>16739813 >>16742157 >>16742161 >>16742172 >>16744089
is there a reason analysis is even more powerful than calculus?
Anonymous No.16738085
yeah. that's why you're the strongest board.
Anonymous No.16738092
>>16738069 (OP)
It is because analysis has anal in the word and you can fit multiple calcula up one's anus thus calculus is contained within analysis.
Anonymous No.16738095 >>16738209
Anonymous No.16738098
>>16738069 (OP)
Only anglos have this bizarre distinction between analysis and โ€œcalculusโ€ (infinitesimal calculus as it was called in the days of yore).
Anonymous No.16738110
>>16738069 (OP)
"calculus" is like a walled garden of sorts. You're making assumptions which break down in the general case, such as the difference between the Riemann vs Lebesgue integral, and it's pretty much always true that the fewer assumptions you have the more problems you can apply it to.
Anonymous No.16738122 >>16738152 >>16739940
>>16738069 (OP)
Wait what. we had analysis at uni and all this time I thought that's what Americans mean when they say calculus
Anonymous No.16738152
>>16738122
What Americans call calculus is the elementary study of integration and differentiation you probably learned as a teenager. When Americans are referencing Real Analysis they mean the rigorous study of real functions which was largely published in the 19th century. When an American references Analysis more broadly, they mean the wider subject which concerns itself with rigorous study of estimation more broadly, not just real finite dimensional real vector spaces and mappings between them.
Anonymous No.16738209 >>16742163
>>16738095
why are random matrices placed in the genius level category?
Anonymous No.16739813
>>16738069 (OP)
why do you say that? how powerful? if anything i think the abstract is piggy riding the success of the applied lol. most physics and engineering problems were already solved before analysis became a field.
Anonymous No.16739940 >>16742191
>>16738122
Meh, non-Americans love to point this out. But in grad school, we don't see the difference. Weak students are weak, retards are retards. More hard core curriculum doesn't magically make you better.
t. survivor of "hard core" curriculum
Anonymous No.16742157
>>16738069 (OP)
Because it's more rigorous and the results are more applicable to any given situation than basic calculus. Not really sure what you're asking but that's why analysis is more powerful than calculus on a basic level.
Anonymous No.16742161
>>16738069 (OP)
Because calculus is just an artificially delineated part of analysis. Go beyond those delineations and you're no longer doing calculus, but analysis. So analysis is trivially more powerful.
Anonymous No.16742163
>>16738209
i don't know personally
but i do remember the most intelligent person i've ever met, a research professor, was studying them for an application he was working on
Anonymous No.16742172
>>16738069 (OP)
True. Philosophy superseed Math, math would be nothing without philosophy, the same thing cannot be say the other way around.
It's a tool derived from philosophy and logical thinking by the ancients after all.
Anonymous No.16742191
>>16739940
Also European engineers point out how they learn actual analysis but in actuality it is just calculus with slightly more rigour. I assume math majors in America also learn analysis rigorously early on.
Anonymous No.16744084
im not sure if this is accurate, but my understanding is that analysis is calculus but you apply more proof theory to your propositions rather than just rote execute the methodology, deriving them from axioms as much as possible while also constructing more advanced things besides limit theory, integrals and derivatives.
Anonymous No.16744089
>>16738069 (OP)
because calculus is built on analysis
Anonymous No.16744097
What's the difference?