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Anonymous No.16739233 [Report] >>16739236 >>16739237 >>16739290 >>16739326 >>16739341 >>16739831 >>16739836 >>16742121 >>16742176 >>16742242 >>16742385 >>16742415 >>16742519 >>16742933 >>16743006
Something can't come from nothing
Anonymous No.16739236 [Report] >>16739238
>>16739233 (OP)
but, anonkun, you lack a brain and an idea (albeit a braindead one) came from nothing.
Anonymous No.16739237 [Report] >>16739832
>>16739233 (OP)
Can you prove there was ever "nothing?"
Anonymous No.16739238 [Report]
>>16739236
u
Anonymous No.16739290 [Report] >>16739326
>>16739233 (OP)
>Something can't come from nothing
Prove it
Anonymous No.16739326 [Report] >>16739367
>>16739233 (OP)
>Something can't come from nothing
based.
>>16739290
>prove it
Nothing cannot come from something. There couldn't be a heat death at the end of the universe if at the end of the universe there is only energy and dark matter.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed, only converted into energy in a black hole through Hawking radiation. At the end of the universe, instead of a heat death there will only be heat, and there would be enough heat to cause deflation and create the next big bangaroo. There likely was never a beginning and likely never an end to the universe. This basically proves quantum immortality.

If the universe is truly eternal, with infinite cycles, then there are infinitely many universes where conscious observers exist, but also infinitely many where they don’t. The probability that you'd wake up in a universe where the conditions are just right is still 100%, because consciousness is only possible in these rare windows where evolution occurs. It’s like being a fish who only ever notices water. You’ll never find yourself floating in a vacuum asking why there’s no water. The only possible location for awareness is inside the rare, habitable window.

Every moment exists eternally in its place, like points on an infinite number line. You are not the destination of that line, you are a point on it. There’s no need to "arrive" at now from the infinite. You always were here, just as the infinite past always was. You didn't travel from infinity. You emerged when the conditions were right: for mind, structure, and complexity. In an infinite past, you don’t have to cross infinity to reach the present.

The present is simply where you are, in the flow of existence, in a universe that may never have started and may never end, but which, for one fleeting moment, woke up and wondered why.

I would highly reccomend looking up Roger Penrose's cyclic universe theory as well as Hawking radiation in a black hole.
Anonymous No.16739329 [Report] >>16742312
but can nothing come from something?
Anonymous No.16739341 [Report]
>>16739233 (OP)
there was always something
Anonymous No.16739351 [Report] >>16742395
The more I learn about this shit, the more I'm convinced there must be some kind of creator or orchestrator, maybe not a god in the traditional sense, but a being outright superior and impossible to comprehend, much like trying to get an amoeba to understand a human
Anonymous No.16739367 [Report] >>16739442
>>16739326
You’re dumb as shit lmao
All you muzzies don’t know where Allah is without special pleading so shut the fuck up
Anonymous No.16739378 [Report] >>16742312
It literally can though.
Anonymous No.16739442 [Report]
>>16739367
Where the fuck did you get that from? You think muslims believe in the cyclic universe theory? Are you some sort of retarded /x/ tourist?
Anonymous No.16739831 [Report]
>>16739233 (OP)
Nothing is something ({}=0) and things must come from themselves (x=x) as they are themselves and nothing else (x=x+0).
Anonymous No.16739832 [Report]
>>16739237
Anyone can see it with their own two ears, unless they are completely blind then they can even see it with their eyes.
Anonymous No.16739836 [Report] >>16739926 >>16742312
>>16739233 (OP)
>Something can't come from nothing
What does "nothing" mean?
Anonymous No.16739926 [Report] >>16742247
>>16739836
Nothing is the smallest possible amount of anything and everything.
Anonymous No.16742121 [Report]
>>16739233 (OP)
0!=100%
Everything is a function of nothing.
Anonymous No.16742176 [Report] >>16742186
>>16739233 (OP)
there's no such thing as "true nothing". Everything is something. Even the "true nothing" concept is just a neural misconception inside your brain.
Anonymous No.16742186 [Report]
>>16742176
>Everything is something.
Yes, even true nothing.
>Even the "true nothing" concept is just a neural misconception inside your brain.
No, its based on the fact that most of your body except your eyes truly sees nothing.
Anonymous No.16742242 [Report] >>16742264
>>16739233 (OP)
but can nothing come from something?
Anonymous No.16742247 [Report] >>16742263
>>16739926
That's not nothing. It's in the name no-thing, it is the contradictory of thing, the lack of thing. It is nothing. All that that is not thing
Anonymous No.16742250 [Report]
What if the universe is zero energy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe
Anonymous No.16742263 [Report]
>>16742247
>That's not nothing
Yes it is.

>the lack of thing.
Yes 0, nothing, the smallest possible amount of the thing.

>All that that is not thing
Its the thing minus itself which is the smallest possible amount of it which is what we call nothing.
Anonymous No.16742264 [Report]
>>16742242
x=x+0, something can only be itself if it is itself and nothing else, so nothing must come from something because it is built into the definition.
Anonymous No.16742292 [Report]
The biggest issue is "cause to exist".
It is indeed impossible in the A theory of time, and even under some interpretations of the B theory of time, but those are the presuppositions of the question OP asks. If time or causality can loop on themselves in certain circumstances, the answer changes.
Anonymous No.16742312 [Report] >>16743115 >>16744902
>>16739329
can you destroy energy? can you make energy out of nothing? if not, then there's your answer. as it stands there never was nothing, there was always something
>>16739378
proofs?
>>16739836
that's usually the absence of something which is known as existing. humans cannot even be sure there can ever be nothing since there could always be something which cannot be detected. nothing is a vague idea, born out of something anyway, and it usually means something along the lines of "see that thing? nothing is without that thing". and it's quite possible nothing makes no sense anyway. it's just imprecision of language
Anonymous No.16742385 [Report]
>>16739233 (OP)
Is there a proof of that?
Anonymous No.16742395 [Report]
>>16739351
Almost anything you could attribute to a creator you could also atribute to some impersonal process.
God is a necessary being, the universe is a necessary object.
God fine tunes constants, some process fine tunes constants.
God can exist outside of time, some process can exist outside of time etc.
I think God has a slight disadvantage, because it's an additional postulate and he's said to be a mind but he's nothing like our minds.
Anonymous No.16742415 [Report]
>>16739233 (OP)
I can prove it didn't happen, yes.
>>16742297 if you help me out on this other thread you'll know what the data means.
Anonymous No.16742519 [Report]
>>16739233 (OP)
But there was a lot of something and then it got a bigger container and started acting weird.
Anonymous No.16742933 [Report] >>16742939 >>16742943
>>16739233 (OP)
Well, if something was at the beginning, then what created that? If you say that the thing that created the thing that then created the universe was made, then who made the maker? And who made the maker of that maker?

It's infinite recursion. Something HAD to just exist for the plain reason of existing.
Anonymous No.16742939 [Report]
>>16742933
not everything needs a cause then you lead to special pleading lmao its called randomness cuh
Anonymous No.16742943 [Report]
>>16742933
>the beginning
no such thing exists for the universe/multiverse/total existence.

it's like asking what's the beginning of -infinity to +infinity.
Anonymous No.16743006 [Report]
>>16739233 (OP)
big bang
god asked every star if the darkness will overcome his Kingdom
and neither did one ever did aman
Anonymous No.16743115 [Report] >>16743120
>>16742312
>can you make energy out of nothing?
Casimir Effect
Anonymous No.16743120 [Report] >>16744881
>>16743115
You can't produce energy by using the Casimir Effect. It takes energy to move the plates into place. At best you get a net-zero result.
Anonymous No.16744859 [Report] >>16744901
And where did God come from?
Anonymous No.16744881 [Report]
>>16743120
and even if, it wouldn't be from nothing lol
Anonymous No.16744901 [Report]
>>16744859
God came from the same place god went, which is to say, nowhere.
Anonymous No.16744902 [Report]
>>16742312
Nothing implies the absence of energy, and also the absence of the law that you 'cant make energy out of nothing'.