Thread 16740378

Two more weeks (for real this time) - edition

previous >>16737837

two FUCKING weeks

>>16740378 (OP)
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>>16740378 (OP)
BRAAAAAAAP

>>16740361
I thought it was about maximizing neurotransmitter tonnage

So actually it was Aliens after all.

>>16740408
thats the same thing

>>16740378 (OP)
Have any of you guys been to space camp as a kid? Honestly sounds like a really cool concept to have and totally would have done it as a space autist.

Anyone else in the thread struggling with bisexual(top) thoughts?

>>16740433
Gross, no way
I'm struggling with bisexual (bottom) thoughts

It's time to discuss Charon.

>>16740428

Camping in space?? A question here ... would beer make for a good radiation shield?

>>16740444
Looking pretty rough around the edges there Charon

BTW I'm 34 with 2 years of job experience, spent last 2 neeting again

What's your favourite MADV concept other than Starship?

sfg is

>>16740487
based AF

>>16740459
Beats me.

>>16740459
grim

>>16740487
remembering musk’s melty!

I saw a post here a few months ago stating that one or two of the dozen or so chinese reusable rockets, has the deep throttling capability and the thrust to weight ratio that they can actually hover and thus will have a much easier hover landing method instead of needing to do a suicide burn like the F9. Anyone know which rocket it was or if it's even true?

What would an observer within 100 LY be able to piece together about our solar system? Could they see Earth? I'd imagine it's a bit too close, but Jupiter would definitely be visible. Not sure about Mars, but if our system garnered so much interest to an alien species just from observing Mars and Jupiter that they bothered sending a probe, what about them tipped them off that there could be life here? Assuming 3I/ATLAS really is an interstellar probe, it will send its data next year and depending on how close the alien system is situated will take tens or hundreds of years to return to them. Realistically though, we should've already recieved radio signals from any nearby alien species capable of interstellar travel, so it's safe to say this interstellar object is not actually probe. It's still quite remarkable how close it gets to Mars and Jupiter though all things considered.

>>16740448
Beer is mostly water so yes

>>16740515
Well Mars is a rocky terrestrial in the habitable zone with a carbon rich atmopshere, which is enough of a biosignature to give it a look. Earth through most of its inhabited history was more carbon rich than it was oxygen rich.

>>16740515
Maybe you really could use the Juno probe to check it out like Avi Loeb wants to.

>>16740515
I wish it would hit Mars. Shake the place up a little.

>>16740523
Has Avi ever seen an interstellar object he didnt think was an alien spaceship?

>>16740515
>Realistically though, we should've already recieved radio signals from any nearby alien species capable of interstellar travel
We're already on the verge of being able to use the solar gravitational focus for observations. It can just as easily be used for high bandwidth laser signalling. You won't be seeing radio signals from anyone because no one will use radio.

I am so blackpilled on artemis

>>16740531
If it makes you feel any better, humans will be going around the moon early next year which will raise normie awareness. For a few weeks the 'Haha funny' meme line will be 'We got Humans back to the moon before GTA6'. I wish there was a way to bet on that exact phrase becoming mainstream because I would make bank.

>>16740534
>humans will be going around the moon early next year
>early next year
lmao

>>16740535
Round trip without landing isn't that hard. They did it in the 19th century with a giant cannon.

A non-spaceflight event is about to occur.

Do not discuss it here as it is off-topic.

*gulps*

>>16740548
B-but muh karman line

*bead of sweat drips down forehead*

new shepard should be a daily thing, or weekly at least

new boyfriends for your dad's wife should be a daily thing, or weekly at least

If the moon was as close as geosynchronous orbit then it would already have industry on it.

>>16740561
how small could it be and still be practical?

>>16740561
Geosynchronous Moon would be fucked up
Always looming

>>16740561
we could have industry on the moon NOW but elon has an autistic hatred of it

The moon is a shithole made of crushed glass

>>16740572
thats just an engineering problem

>>16740567
I mean we could, but we don't because it doesn't occupy a useful orbit. If it was in a useful orbit then spy sat landers would have been on the moon in the 70s at the very latest.

my next 'eed
what are you reading /sfg/?

>>16740584
4chan

Do you like reverse Hubble sats?

>>16740595
lebbuh

https://x.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1951995696862658652
>Dr. V Narayanan has said that the first launch of the upgraded LVM3(semi cryogenic) is set to take place in calendar Q1, 2027. For those who are unaware The LVM3 upgrade program involves replacing the L110 core stage with SC120 and the cryo upper stage C25 with C32. These changes will significantly increase LVM3's GTO payload capacity FROM ~4000 Kgs to ~5200 kgs

"Q1 2027"

They've been working on this for over a decade. India is not a serious country.

>>16740566
that bitch looms too much as it is.

>>16740611
>India is not a serious country.
Somehow the literal biggest shithole in the world has a more competent space program than any other European/Anglosphere country outside of the ESA.

Why can't Europe use the A6 for crewed launches?

>b-b-but we need to do 10,000 meetings and 5 years of studies first
Shut the fuck up. Just stick a Soyuz on top and send it.

>>16740615
they have national pride, unlike us...
also need to compete with china or something idk

>>16740615
Numeric advantage. Nothing more.

>>16740615
it’s trivial for much of the anglosphere to piggyback off of the US, at least as far as their ambition will take them.

>>16740584

Thx, sounds promising.

>>16740528
>We're already on the verge of being able to use the solar gravitational focus for observations

No, we are not. Getting to 550 AU with a fleet of observatories to collect and process data over decades is far beyond our current ability.

>>16740634
not with that attitude

>>16740634
shut the fuck up

>>16740634
heretic

>>16740548
I noticed it pass by on YT this morning, "oh, look at what already happened that I didn't know was going to happen, and wouldn't have cared about anyhow"

Tourist here, not sure if this is the right place for this question or not
Why are all the planets revolving in (roughly) the same plane?
>inb4 pluto

>>16740523

Improved estimate of NASA Juno's remaining prop: 785 kg after orbit insertion, at least 77 kg used in burns on 2016 Oct 25 and 2019 Sep 30, so less than 708 kg remaining corresponding to delta -V < 3226 In((1593+708)/1593) = 1.19 km/s even if the main engine was working right

>>16740469
The flying bricks in For All Mankind that are basically just evolutions of the ones they use on the moon

No need to be aerodynamic when the air resistance is so minuscule

>>16740699
I think SENPAI is cringe (I think this gets word filtered)

>>16740617
It's not that they can't, but a key component of how the ISS "no money transferred between states" barter system works relies on the fact that Europe "buys" flights to the ISS by resupplying it

>>16740561
Why? What industry would be put on the moon and why?

>>16740693
random chance

>>16740706
data centers

>>16740693
They all formed in the same plane because they all formed from the same spinning gas disk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_model) so they all have roughly the same angular momentum.

>>16740706
satellite television but landers instead

>>16740706
Geosynchronous comms and spy sats would be placed on the moon.

>>16740693
Because God willed it

>>16740699
But they look soulless compared to the pointy ships I imagined as a kid

>>16740709
No water. Too hard to cool.
>>16740711
Seems more expensive.
>>16740713
Spy satellites go in Sun synchronous LEO, not geostationary.

Use case?

>>16740743
make artemis uncancellable

>>16740743
Demonstrating pregnancy, birth and up growing of a child in microgravity outside of Earths magnetosphere.

>>16740752
you know they won't do that

>>16740743
data center

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1952067686625898870/
>Workers are busy taking apart the ship static fire launch mount adapter plumbing on Starbase pad 1 today. Can see sparks flying and hear grinders and torch cutters active. This means Starship 38 will be static fired after Starship test flight 10 and this setup will have to be reassembled once again.

the makeshift test mount is getting dismantled

>>16740759
>Don't just test the last V2 now. Tear the stand down just to rebuild it again later.

"Here's Mars Guy shaking his head sadly for scale."

>>16740759
Seriously, why aren't they just waiting until S38 is ready for SF?

>>16740774
because it might take like a month
tear it down, launch in two weeks, then build it back up again right when S38 is about ready to static fire
I remember hearing in some stream or starbase update that the fastest it has been between the first cryo test of a new ship and the static fire has been something like a month and they just cryo proofed S38

>>16740774
SpaceX doesn't do waiting. If something can be done, it's done now

>>16740782
All they're going to do is blow up the last two copies of an obsolete version, then tear down the launch tower. What's with all these self imposed meaningless deadlines?

>Mercury and Venus, now unbearably hot because they are too close to the Sun, can be shoved into orbits near the Earth by nuclear explosions, Zwicky said. Frozen planets like distant Jupiter can be blasted nearer the Sun.

>“Jupiter is so big and its gravitational pull so strong that man would find it difficult to move about on the surface.” Zwicky said. “The answer is to whittle it down to proper size with terrajets and nuclear power, using the debris to increase the size of Jupiter’s moons so they too can be colonized.”

>In this connection it should be mentioned that it is a misnomer to talk about journeys within the solar system as belonging to the realm of astronautics. We should rather place them in the field of helionautics. Astronautics, strictly speaking, will be concerned with voyages to other stars. Remarkably enough, to achieve such feats, we might not even have to leave the earth. It would suffice to accelerate the sun itself to a very high speed and let it drag all its planets with it.

>In order to exert the necessary thrust on the sun, nuclear fusion reactions could be ignited locally in the sun’s material, causing the ejection of enormously high-speed jets. The necessary nuclear fusion can probably best be ignited through the use of ultrafast particles being shot at the sun. To date there are at least two promising prospects for producing particles of colloidal size with velocities of a thousand kilometers per second or more. Such particles, when impinging on solids, liquids, or dense gases, will generate temperatures of one hundred million degrees Kelvin or higher—quite sufficient to ignite nuclear fusion. The two possibilities for nuclear fusion ignition which I have in mind do not make use of any ideas related to plasmas, and to their constriction and acceleration in electric and magnetic fields.

Nothing interesting can be done with ship 38 except heat shield and payload deployment testing. The structure is obsolete, the engines are obsolete. Its a low value waste of time when block 3 is going to be here by year's end. Getting 37 launched ASAP is the utmost importance, and at least have data on a few important items, as well as boosting everyone's morale.

>>16740803
Next you'll be telling me we need to blow up the moon

>>16740803
>can be shoved into orbits
Stopped reading right here.

>>16740774
Unlimited money. Why delay the next launch when you can just not do that?

>>16740805
>boosting everyone's morale

Morale would be boosted more by saving the hundreds of millions being wasted on The Quest for V2 and just giving everyone a giant bonus.

>Elon has unlimited money!

Do we have to go over the difference between assets and cash flow again?

>>16740390
BASED

Are there any planetary bodies that have drugs on the surface or in the atmosphere? Titan has a shitload of organic molecules, surely it's possible to get high on at least some of them?

>>16740847
there is no value in exporting resources from colonies to earth

asking her because ai gives non responses: when space science guys talk about things such as distantobjects or events in the future they often say 'we wont be around to see it'. What do they mean by that? I wonder what their outlook on the future is. DO they just expect that we will go extinct within a few thousand years without going to space?

>>16740868
it could mean either
>it'll be in 100+ years so you'll be dead
>it will be in a billion years so the earth will be destroyed by the sun
or
>it will be literally outside of our observable sphere by then

or something in between

https://x.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1952078714256478697
>New satellite images show Deep Blue Aerospace VTVL test explosion details: rocket deviated, exploded 630m from pad, possible control system issue, signs of FTS failure, raising regulation compliance concerns.

>>16740873
how hard can it be, we were doing dc-x in the 90s

>>16740871
Yeah I get the first one that we will all be dead, but typically it's said in the context of something in 1 million years +. Sutff that will be observable if we arearound by then. But they seem to think we wont be.

>>16740378 (OP)
EUROPE SMART NASA DUMB

Haha great fun

>>16740902
Elon is making OC now, and that's his top priority

>>16740902
Bad Rudi is some NSFW shit

>>16740907
It's pretty tame. Maybe extreme for normies or Elon

>>16740416
If aliens made us, then who made them...and then who made our creators' creators...and then who made our creators' creators' creators...and then...

>>16740416
This would be convincing if everything just appeared all at once, which an advanced ET should be capable of producing, relatively.

>>16740416
Why would aliens seed the earth with increidbly simple protobacteria rather than complex life?

>>16740886
It's just taken as an article of faith by most midwits (including scientists) that since most species only exist for a couple of million years, humanity will be no exception
This ignores the fact that most species evolve into something else anyway instead of going extinct without descendants
It also disregards that humanity is highly exceptional, and if any species will be around in a million years it'll be us

>>16740416
But then...where did alien come from??

>>16740975
>if any species will be around in a billion years it'll be us*
Meant to type billion

>>16740743
uhhhhh solar weather observation or someshit

>>16740759
imagine S37 shits itself just like the last 3 and all this setup was for nothing, they'd probably decide to scrap S38 on the spot and write off Block 2 thankful they didn't have to repeat this shit again for S38

>>16740975
Yeah. I find it jarring when scientists say offhand that we wont be around to see things distant future. They often even say this for stuff just a few thousand years in thefuture like the return of Hale-Bopp. How badly do things have to go for us to actually not be around to see that? You would need to have an exceptionally bleak view.

>>16740803
>>Mercury and Venus, now unbearably hot because they are too close to the Sun, can be shoved into orbits near the Earth by nuclear explosions, Zwicky said. Frozen planets like distant Jupiter can be blasted nearer the Sun.
proof? sounds 2 easy to be true

Use case?

>>16740987
closest humans to mars in deep space award during opposition

>The Starship static fire adapter has been removed from the pad 1 launch mount this afternoon clearing the way for Booster 16 and upcoming Starship test flight 10.

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1952133097790619756

s p e h s

>>16741022
Not to sound all faggy but for me this was, and remains, to be the cultural height of SpaceX. Everyone was talking about it and there was a sense of hope and optimism like Elon said there would. And in spaceflight this was like a vindication of Falcon Heavy and the death knell of SLS. We were gonna make it.

Desu none of the Starship flights, nor even the booster catch lives up to the absolute kino and atmosphere of the Falcon Heavy flight.

>>16740987
Uninterrupted communications with earth
This is because NASA is too poor to put a TDRS constellation around the moon

why was the universe created? what is the shape of the universe? why does space expand? what exists outside of the universe?

>>16741052
Meh. Falcon heavy was a very late letdown. Musk had that same sentiment in the press conference. Itdoesnthave the structural integrity to loft Orion or Gateway which is why neither happened. It's quite useless for things beyond geosynchronous satelites

>>16741055
>why was the universe created?
So jesus could die for oursinsor whatever
>what is the shape of the universe?
Cube. Space Engine settles this.
>why does space expand?
Wouldnt you expand?
>what exists outside of the universe?
Nobody tell him.

>>16740987
1. It's the lowest energy type of lunar orbit
1. Orion literally doesn't have the capabilities to do anything but that
2. Other countries (besides China or Russia - they aren't invited) can't put spacecrafts of meaningful size into said lunar orbit types other than NRHO so its a way for them to contribute to Artemis

>>16740998
>another explosive failure soon
i cant wait...

>>16741055
There can't be nothingness. Therefore out of that nothingness, everythingness was born. It expands outwards from the epicenter of where that paradox occurred. There is still nothingness that is waiting to be populated by everythingness.

>>16741052
>>16741057

A meh rocket that can lift 63 metric tons to LEO is better than an exploding Behemoth that can't. That's a hefty fuel tank that can be clustered together around a common core that could send a crew of four or more to Mars assembled in orbit.

>>16741091
>can lift 63 metric tons to LEO
greater than 3x exaggeration. Please stop browisng here and focuson Starship now Elon.

>>16741055
neuralink will make me live forever so that I can eventually answer those questions, just you wait

>>16741055
42 tee hee~
>E

>>16740491
>some of the debris would be very big indeed, like more than a km wide.
Extremely rare in interstellar space. Just take your chances that you don't hit a rogue asteroid

>>16741143
I love him.

>>16741146
it's a shame about the melty

>>16741147
huh what you mean

>>16741131
thats not what neuralink does though

>>16741150
yeah

Some anon here told me like two weeks ago that Starship was going to launch today, but I can't find any live streams, was it scrubbed?

>>16741182
it asploded
source: elon is my dad (i'm not the tranny btw)

*zzzzzappppp*

https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1952192337154592815
>Thunderstorms roll across the Space Coast leading up to SpaceX’s next planned launch: Starlink 10-30. Liftoff from pad 40 at Cape Canaveral SFS is scheduled for 1:03 am ET (0503 UTC).

https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1952204153620410684
>SpaceX adjusted the T-0 liftoff time for the Starlink 10-30 mission. Launch of the Falcon 9 rocket from pad 40 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station is now targeting 1:27 am ET (0527 UTC).

I'm not going to be staying up for this, but if you're going to be an insomniac, here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_n3k-JxhrI

>>16740730
point is for air

>>16741095
huh? this is what the SpaceX website says

any other /sfg/ anons want to pool our money and buy a falcon heavy launch to fling a 63 ton tungsten cube into leo?

>>16741204
I like other regular polyhedra

>>16741204
I'd rather launch 60 tons of sand in a retrograde orbit

>>16741204
Illegal

>>16741257
urfer mindset

goodnight

>>16740444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQCUK1OeZGI

>>16741279
My ex used to listen to this fag

sfg está muerto :v

landing on a rain-soaked deck at night is so cozy

Killed another nigger

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1952176488167649342

its over

>>16741387
this guy is mentally ill

>>16741401
he is just a gooner

>>16741202
Were you born yesterday? SpaceX fake their numbers.
NASA discovered this when they contracted falcon heavy to launch gateway and laterfound out that falcon could only lift 20T. That's why theyspentyears trying to shave weight off gateway and eventually got cancelled. Literally got scammed by SpaceX. It's also why the Bridenstack was never going to happen. It was too heavy for Falcon Heavy to lift.
NewGlenn on the other hand doesn't fake it's numbers and can carry these objects.

>>16741455
>NASA discovered this when they contracted falcon heavy to launch gateway and laterfound out that falcon could only lift 20T
Source?

>>16741456
Why do you think thye were trying to strip weight from the Gateway core module?
Gateway was actually under the design weight, but was too heavy for Falcon because they had been scammed.

>>16741458
Thats a lot of words that aren't a source.

>>16741460
Not spoonfeeding you. You are simply outing yourself as a newfag.

The Longyun engine by JZYJ can throttle a bit deeper than merlin 1D (30% or so, frankly merlin's ~39% is nothing exceptional in 2025) and more importantly their 1st stage are likely to have worse mass ratio and be heavier...

But yeah I guess if you take the stainless steel Yuanxingzhe by Space Epoch for example, with 9 Longyun and a S1 dry mass that's likely maybe 50% higher than a F9 S1, it'll likely be able to do <1 TWR at landing (their hopper probably already could hover desu, looking at the video - picrel), doubt this will result in a meaningful reliability increase.

I'd probably expect the CZ-12A to be in a similar case (likely lighter but same engine), and maybe the Zhuque-3 (50% throttling but their S1 is likely very heavy), I doubt the 7-engines RLV like CZ-10A or the Pallas 1 could.

>>16741464
lmao it took you 8 minutes to come up with that dodge?

>>16741455
not fake, SpaceX just hasn't had any motive to create an adapter that can stand 63 T of force
if NASA wants to pay for it, then they can go ahead and do so

>>16740514
The Longyun engine by JZYJ can throttle a bit deeper than merlin 1D (30% or so, frankly merlin's ~39% is nothing exceptional in 2025) and more importantly their 1st stage are likely to have worse mass ratio and be heavier...

But yeah I guess if you take the stainless steel Yuanxingzhe by Space Epoch for example, with 9 Longyun and a S1 dry mass that's likely maybe 50% higher than a F9 S1, it'll likely be able to do <1 TWR at landing (their hopper probably already could hover desu, looking at the video - picrel), doubt this will result in a meaningful reliability increase.

I'd probably expect the CZ-12A to be in a similar case (likely lighter but same engine), and maybe the Zhuque-3 (50% throttling but their S1 is likely very heavy), I doubt the 7-engines RLV like CZ-10A or the Pallas 1 could.

>>16741455
They don't fake, the more or less real numbers are well known and there https://elvperf.ksc.nasa.gov/Pages/Default.aspx
and they're in line with what GAO says about the gateway and the performance issues of Falcon heavy.

Yes they're lower than whatever is on SpaceX's site but what's on their site is just meaningless PR, the actual numbers have been well known for years by both parties and nobody has ever been duped

Imagine US inland launch sites, will be a beautiful spectacle to behold.

So when do things actually start getting better in this iterative program?

>apporahcing 2026
>still no HLS flight hardware
whatwent wrong SpaceXsisters?

>>16741510
It was always designed to be a Starlink v3+ launcher. If the country wasn't so reliant on SpaceX they would already have been sued for taking government money on HLS and not delivering.

>>16741498
if you arent breaking things you arent pushing hard enough!

>>16740873
Looks like they're not launching in 2025... I guess better their hopper than the actual rocket on it's maiden launch

>>16741510
what went wrong was NASA awarding hls in 2021 and expecting a working lunar lander from one of the three bidders in five short years

>>16741204
but I wanted the bismuth

A LM12 just launched another Guowang payload. Most important thing is that this marks the return of both Wenchang commerical launchpads, after a 6 month delay. We will just have to wait and see if they have solved whatever issues those two launchpads had and if they can manage a launch every 3-4 weeks as designed, or if there's gonna to be another months long delays between launches.

>>16740615
the problem is twofold in that 1) ESA exists, and 2) ESA manages to not suck just barely enough to defeat arguments in favor of single-nation independent space programs.

if ESA didn't exist (and no other multinational bureaucratic blob of unambitious incompetent corruption-pork sprang up in its place) multiple countries would step up with their own programs and achieve significant milestones on their own; instead, most of the needed funding gets funneled into ESA, leaving only scraps for small launcher startups. My genuine schizo conspiracy take is that ESA serves as the poison pill to keep eur*pean nations from developing human spaceflight, and that the agency was created by the powers that be with the express purpose of keeping everyone trapped in the dirtball gravity well - EU countries (Britain, France, Spain, the d*tch, etc.) are still salty about losing control of their colonial serfs and wish to avoid a repeat in space. That's not to say that even a fraction of a percent of the people in ESA itself are knowingly working for that goal, especially not the engineers, but the individuals responsible for framing the original structure of the agency intentionally made it as obtuse and ineffective as possible from the start.

>>16740621
>>16740702
The US also serves to reduce ambitions: "why bother when our allies can do it for us?"
And the old powers in europe don't care as much about us eventually being able to escape the well because we're already independent. Though you can still see some of their bureaucrats kvetching about musk every opportunity they get, which happened even before he was prominently tied to either politics or the war in ukraine. Governments the world over are filled entirely by people who sought those positions due only to a desire for control over others; activists lose as their concerns are what comes after winning, while control freaks care only for winning to begin with - such people hate nothing more than to lose that control

>>16740743
this >>16740748
and pork
lots and lots and lots of pork

>>16741057
>>16741455
heymanIthinkyouneedtofixyour s p a c e b a r

>>16741563
>ching chong bing bong ping pong
>wing wong?
call me back when you have a reusable rocket
right now you're being mogged by India which I can't begin to explain how pathetic that is

>>16741387
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1mh15ya/just_got_access_to_grok_imagine_and_i_wondered/

>>16741595
Check back at the end of the year

>Elon Musk touched my balls in the bathroom of a South Bay bar in 2019.
>I was out celebrating a work anniversary with a group from my floor of the office. I had drank a few too many beers trying to get up the courage to ask out a woman on another team. When I went to the restroom, I misfired and splashed urine on my khakis.
>I was attempting to dry the front of my pants with the air dryer when Elon Musk walked in. He was dressed in all black. He is taller than I thought. He immediately walked over to me, and grabbed my balls. I was surprised. He asked me if I wanted to go to Mars.
>His hands are puffy, and very soft. He has a good grip, firmer than I would have guessed. He squeezed each testicle several times, back and forth between left and right.
>He told me that he was building a new rocket to colonize Mars, and that he needed men with, “…big balls for the mission.” He said that his company was building a giant rocket just to go to Mars, with new, enormous engines. He said the Super Heavy booster was necessary, as, “… we need to carry as many heavy balls to Mars as possible, lol.” He said “l-o-l,” out loud, and made a face that looked like he was trying to defecate, but failing.
>He said we, “…need more humans,” or else, “… the breeding program will be a failure.” He grabbed his own crotch with his other hand and told me that his balls were large enough, but that he, “… needs the help other human males.” He said that he knew people at NASA, and could get me on a mission. He said they would make sure the space suits were roomy enough in the crotch.
>I thanked him, and then went back to the anniversary event. I did not ask out the woman from the other team, and she is now married with a kid on the way.
>Sometimes I wonder if I should have joined NASA.

>>16741455
>NASA discovered this when they contracted falcon heavy to launch gateway and laterfound out that falcon could only lift 20T. That's why theyspentyears trying to shave weight off gateway and eventually got cancelled.

NASA knew the weight limit of FH, the reason they are struggling with PPE/HALO's weight is because Northrop fucked up and forgot to account for the weight of subcomponents like the wiring.

Why are you guys still worried about Mars when Venusian cloud cities are so much more feasible
>>16740286

>>16741618
Amazing bait

>>16741615
don't bother trying to reason with him, this schizo has been on about this for years

>>16741620
Less reasoning with him and more so that other anons know the reason PPE/HALO is overweight.

>>16741455
Those numbers are a spec sheet for customers. Real private customers that need to know the rocket can launch their payload. If the numbers were fake the entire industry would be very loud about it.

>>16741625
The reason we the public know about FH's weight limit is the numbers in the Falcon users guide.

>>16741632
Post it

>>16741609
but did he get three for free?

>>16741633
https://spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/001/f9guide.pdf

>>16741633
https://www.spacex.com/assets/media/falcon-users-guide-2025-05-09.pdf

>>16741204
How much would this cost?

>>16741595
How is China being mogged by India? Last I checked China was the only other nation apart from the US to have an active space station, to have landed a rover on Mars, and to have solid plans for future manned space operations.

How do you land on a Venusian balloon colony? Precise atmospheric landings are already sketchy enough, except now you have to land on a small target and if you miscalculate you either end up falling to the surface and getting cooked alive or destroying the whole colony.

>>16741661
Aren't they also the only country with viable plans for reuse?

Just got my ass whooped at Kennedy after marching in and telling this guy HALO should be cancelled

>>16741663
>How do you land on a Venusian balloon colony?
Airships+Ascenders

>>16741666
both of those airships crashed and killed people.
maybe not the best thing to model your future colony after

>>16741669
Skill issue.

>>16741669
hydrogen airships aren't a problem on venus because the atmosphere isn't gay and made of oxidizer

>>16741680
neither the crash of the akron nor the macon were caused by their choice of lifting gas, which was helium by the way.

>>16740710
>they all formed from the same spinning gas disk
Follow up question, if I may: why was the galaxy/proto solar system in spinning disc shape? Seems relatively common, although my paltry knowledge tells me there are cloud shaped galaxies as well. But why would a galaxy/solar system be rotating in one plane to begin with?
Pic unrel

>>16741663
you ain't
Venus will be the last planet to get colonised, if ever

>>16741693
Think of a vast cloud of dust and gas which gravity pulls inward. Even if the cloud has only a tiny, slow rotation to begin with, this rotation must speed up as the cloud collapses(conservation of angular momentum)

Over millions of years, the cloud into a spinning disk. The end result is a system where the majority of the material, whether it's gas, dust, stars, or planets, is orbiting in a single plane and in the same general direction.

Elliptical and other 'irregular' galaxies often form from chaotic collision and merger of spiral galaxies or other types that have been gravitationally disturbed.

>>16741693
Collapsing dust clouds are made up of constituent particles that all have their own motions, when you integrate all these little motions in the system you end up with an overall angular momentum of the entire cloud (nothing in nature really collapses perfectly inward like a simulation, by the nature of how things orbit and fly past eachother and influence eachother gravitationally, electrostaticly, etc, any system with two or twenty or fifty bajillion particles will more likely than not have some overall “spin”)
As that cloud continues to collapse, conservation of angular momentum causes everything to speed up. The moment of inertia decreases so angular momentum of all the particles picks up. And by virtue of stability, any particles roughly aligned in the plane perpendicular to the axis of rotation spinning roughly the same direction will be most stable. As the dust cloudy collapses and gets denser and faster, random particles NOT aligned tend to cancel eachother out. Smashing into eachother; flinging eachother out of the system. Particles along the plane perpendicular to the axis of rotation have the most stability and are influenced to form together gravitationally (into planets and moons)
Thus you went from a spinning 3D sphere to a 2D plane of stability where most of the constituent particles felt happy and saw the least amount of chaos

https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1952399037447225405
>Liftoff at 10:21UTC August 04, Long March 12 Y2 launched SatNet LEO Group 07 from Hainan commercial launch pad #2

>>16741661
>How is China being mogged by India?
on a cost per kilogram basis

>>16741669
they weren't the only ones either
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Shenandoah_(ZR-1)
four out of five USN airships crashed, the fifth was made by Germans

>>16741724
>>16741706
Makes perfect sense, thank you lads.

>>16741724
NTA but when I think of the cloud spinning, anything that's not along the plane won't be orbiting the barycenter if it's spinning parallel to the plane, also look at planetary discs like Saturn, same principle

>>16741563
Notably that batch of Guowang was built by private company Galaxy (Yinhe) Space, they're the third manufacturer for Guowang (alongside CASC subsdiary CAST and CAS offshoot SECM) and the first private one,it must be reminded that Guowang is more of a mix between the SDA constellation and Oneweb, a multiple provider dual use but non-mass-public constellation.

Galaxy space has been around for almost a decade but I don't think they've ever serially produced satellites before, although they've been somewhat regularly launching demonstration satellites, notably for Guowang demonstrations, lately one on the 1st CZ-12 Launch and another DtC demonstration satellite in April.

As far as I can tell the Guowang production lines are located:
Tianjin for CAST
Eastern Shanghai for SECM
Nantong in eastern Jiangsu for Galaxy Space
With a "superfactory" in construction in Wenchang (multi user but likely for CAST)

>>16741728
Not really, china has cheaper launchers than india. CZ-3B is cheaper and more capable than LVM3, CZ-2C/2D series are slightly cheaper and slightly more capable than PSLV

>X is cheaper than Y
>no cost figures given by anyone

status of the next starship flight?

>>16741728
Very bad way of looking at it. What happens is capability delivered. India's LVs are very inefficient at GTO, they use a large amount of prop to circularise relatively small spacecrafts.

>>16741746
14 days

>>16741747
>happens
matters*

Has humanity peaked bros? Will any of us be alive to witness the next major breakthrough?

>>16741752
next major breakthrough in what? AI is a major breakthrough.

>>16741753
I guess that's a fair point, I kinda don't acknowledge it cause it's mostly used for shitposting

>>16741746
NET 16th, subject to slips https://x.com/TheAstroN8/status/1952417506175664249

>>16741743
CZ-3B sends 5.5t to GTO for ~$38M, LVM3 sends 4.2t for $48M (see picrel)
https://x.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1638405656154710020
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1633452623096602626
https://www.isro.gov.in/media_isro/pdf/Publications/Technical_Papers_Vol-I.pdf

PSLV costs $20-30M (there was a contract for manufacturing 5 of them in 2022 that was $22M each, without launch operations cost) for 2.2-3.8t to LEO, CZ-2D has recently been quoted for $15.75M for 4.2t to LEO https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/indl-goods/svs/engineering/hal-lt-to-build-five-pslv-rockets-bags-rs-860-crore-deal-from-nsil-for-the-project/articleshow/93980649.cms?from=mdr
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1941465072838246489

>>16741764
Higher costs and lower flight rates. Bleak.

It's kinda horrific that India was supposed to be the one that was going to shake up the launch market before SpaceX came along.

>>16741751
moral of the story is the faster you're moving the less you feel it. it's a dead stop you need to be careful of

>>16741767
shut the fuck up.

>>16741773
It's all about change in velocity. Velocity alone is imperceptible.

>>16741767
India has access to western markets, China does not.

>Elon Musk awarded $29 billion pay package from Tesla
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/04/business/elon-musk-pay-package

WE ARE GAAN

>>16741764
uppity h-1b bitches destroyed by fact and math

>>16741780
good morning saar

>>16741785
this is just a first step in case the delaware supreme court does not reverse the 2018 comp package deletion
and a new comp pack is coming up in a few months for a vote
I expect it to be something like 10% of the company with tranches like the 2018 had, with the highest ones being something like 5T-10T

By the time Rosalind Franklin lands on Mars the project will have been 29 years in development.

It will launch in 2028 and take 25-26 MONTHS to get to Mars because it "needs to take a low-energy route".

It will, just like the past two NASA rovers, once again be landing in a crater which is thought to be an ancient sea bed. It took five years to select this landing location.

It has a two-meter long drill which will be used to search for life.

This is compared to China's Zhurong rover which was developed and launched in ten years.

>>16741797
Oh sweet, an ESA Mars rover!

>>16741784
No, China does not, but Europe and Russia did. Back around 2010 the main commercial launch vehicles were the Ariane 5 and Proton, and cheap Indian rockets were looking like they were going to be a significant threat.

Left: German space robot
Right: Japanese space robot

Why are Euros so soulless?

>>16741800
The German one has that aryan thousand yard stare. The Jap one has the bugman anime quality.

>>16741800
vs american space robot
USA! USA! USA!

>>16741797
Oh, and it will most likely be launched on a US Falcon rocket, not even a European rocket. Imagine if this thing fails last minute after all that work. You can take as long as you want with these things but you can't pretend that you can prepare for everything in spaceflight. Sometimes you just have to send it and hope for the best because that's just how it works.

>>16741797
>This is compared to China's Zhurong rover which was developed and launched in ten years.

Which will scrape up some dirt under the lander with negligible scientific value.

>>16741810
Firstly, newfag, not only has the Zhurong rover already successfuly completed its mission, it also landed in an area of high scientific interest and uncovered new theories about Mars' geological history.

>>16741818
lol, lmao even

>>16741825
mid tier moon. not even top 5

>>16741829
Idiot, it's easily in the top 5.

>>16741800
DAS DEUTSCH
https://youtu.be/72sB2YjoiC8?t=308

It's time we talked about Triton

>>16741821
so all launch sites are going to have on-site air separation units for LOX?

>beep beep out of my way!
>undisputed moon king coming through

>>16741834
It has an atmosphere thicker than Pluto and clouds in its skies. That's pretty cool.

Still the most kino rocket

>>16741693
this meme was so good they made a coin out of it

>>16741785
based, he deserves more

Reusability - CHALLENGED
https://youtu.be/3lD0Y1WpNXI

NUCLEAR MOON BASE CONFIRMED
https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1952476817966666207

>>16741854
what are the details?

>>16741854
Need some on Mars too

>>16741855
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/nasa-china-space-station-duffy-directives-00492172

>>16741854
nothingburger

Let me guess. A startup guy working on design played golf with Duffy and they're getting the contract?

>>16741854
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/nasa-china-space-station-duffy-directives-00492172
> The reactor directive orders the agency to solicit industry proposals for a 100 kilowatt nuclear reactor to launch by 2030, a key consideration for astronauts’ return to the lunar surface.

>>16741857
>100kW reactor by 2030
call me when it launches

>>16741052
Niggerfaggot LITERALLY reposting my shit

>>16741864
lol

>>16740378 (OP)
BIG BREAKING NEWS!!! A WITCH AND AN INDIAN FEMALE BREAKING INTO NASA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihEtpPQCADQ

>>16741872
This sums up the problem with the modern day

>>16741876
it does?

>>16741886
no cap.

>>16741876
go back

>https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1952465535989608594
Need power security for Starship launch? Just add 12 megapacks from Tesla. Easy 48 Megawatts of on-demand power.

Cinderdingthat it's so hard togetfresh water for thedeluge system that they haveto completely cancel a launch if the deluge is set off before abort, isnt this a massivelyhumbling fact that basically shows how incredibly far weare from being able to live offworld? We arent even a Kardishev type 1 civ yet.

>>16741894
>power security
i thought this was going to be about heavily armed private security teams

>>16741902
https://spaceflightnow.com/2025/07/22/live-coverage-spacex-to-launch-nasas-tracers-satellites-on-rideshare-falcon-9-rocket-launch-from-vandenberg-sfb/

Power failures

>>16741872
I thought they pulled funding for this kind of NASA "outreach"

>>16741904
shut the fuck up.

>>16740561
It would basically only be visible from half of the world.

>>16741914
Stick it on the side opposite the Pacific Ocean

>>16741797
They don’t construct buildings like this anymore. We are losing formulas.

>>16741915
No, it should be over the new world so that there could be a discovery of the Moon. Maybe we can have it be just barely visible from Japan so that Japan can be the land of the Sun and Moon.

>>16741797
Isnt this in Bristol England? I'msure I've been in that building.

>>16741854
>Give a billion dollars to a NASA scam contractor for a nuke that takes 10 years and doesn't work.

We could just buy solar panels, but there's not enough slop for the Congress piggies in that.

>>16741919
Imagine how insane that would've been. For all of human history we would've just known the stars in the sky, then one day we sail over to new lands and there's a giant white rock looming above us. What would they have even thought? The natives would've been crazy Moon worshipping beasts.

>>16741918
the west has fallen billions must be spent on mars rovers

>>16741932
shut the fuck up.

>>16741934
that rover cost 10 times what that building cost

>When will Sierra Space's winged vehicle, Dream Chaser, finally take flight? Unfortunately, it's still not clear. Almost certainly, however, it won't be this year.
>The Dream Chaser space plane has been under development for more than two decades...However, during a recent news briefing, a senior NASA official would only say this about a launch date: "We will be ready for them when they're ready to fly."
>According to one source, Sierra is considering a modification to its first mission...One option now under consideration is a mission that would bring Dream Chaser close enough to the station to test key elements of the vehicle in flight but not have it berth.
>It appears highly unlikely that Dream Chaser will be ready for its debut spaceflight this year for these technical reasons. Another challenge is the availability of its Vulcan launch vehicle.
>it is uncertain when a Vulcan launch vehicle will become available for Dream Chaser, which was initially designated to fly on Vulcan's second flight. However, because Dream Chaser was not ready last fall, that rocket flew with a mass simulator on this second launch, back in October 2024.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/08/is-the-dream-chaser-space-plane-ever-going-to-launch-into-orbit/

what the fuck is sierra's problem?

>>16741838
Air Liquide has a plant literally right next door to KSC that does LOX/LN, this is just a cost saving move

>>16741864
https://x.com/luke_leisher_/status/1952498515239997825
>I repost discourse from 4chan from time to time just to get discussion going over here. This isn't exactly something i am secretive about.

Now, Luke, when I repost something from X on /sfg/, I cite my damn sources. It's not hard. Don't make this out to be some noble quest to encourage discussion, because we all know it's not.

>>16741943
even Wikipedia properly cites this board >:(

Try to guess which anon ITT is Luke

>>16741951
this one >>16741951

>>16741929
How does solar panels work on the moon where the night is 14 days

Enceladean aliens will colonize Earth before Starship will leave Earth

>>16741957
BECAUSE I SAID SO OKAY

fuck you

>>16741957
Anon, you know how you own a smartphone that operates when not directly connected to a power source. Several decades ago methods to use electricity energy to add potential energy to a system that can later be turned back into eltric energy is not hypothetical or experimental technology.

fucking retard

>>16741957
Molten salt energy storage

>>16741957
orbital solar farm beaming energy down the lunar poles

>>16741957
when the panels are in darkness illuminate them with a laser from earth

>>16741957
roving moon base that always stays on the daylight side

>>16741989
Moon base at the south pole that rotates to always face the sun

>>16741957
It’s always night, it’s the moon

>>16741957
Peaks of Eternal Light. How do they work?

"No. Just -- no."

>>16741857
>>16741854
>more money for manned exploration
>less money for gay telescopes
um BASED

>>16741957
they only work during the day
starlight is too weak

>>16741857
Jared Isaacuck would NEVER

https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1952533420179112191
>Site readiness checks are complete and Electron is now vertical on Pad B at Launch Complex 1 for its 69th launch Launch window opens:
>UTC | 03:45, Aug 5
>NZT | 3:45 p.m., Aug 5
>JST | 12:45 p.m., Aug 5
>EST | 11:45 p.m., Aug 4
>PST | 8:45 p.m., Aug 4

>>16742042
nice

Today space is faker than yesterday but less fake than tomorrow.

https://x.com/dpoddolphinpro/status/1952563391156949134
> UK Launch Provider Skyrora has received a Launch Licence from the UK Civil Aviation Authority, allowing up to 16 flights per year of their suborbital Skylark L vehicle from SaxaVord Spaceport.
.

>>16741800
I don't trust that German robot's face. It probably has the digitalised conscience of your average suicidal German pilot. 100% it is planning on doing some shit.

small saar sat

hold lab

>>16742087
resumed: T-10m

>>16742042
>69th launch
nice

Man sfg is dead

fuck yeah, a mic on the upper stage! Everyone should do this

>>16742096
bummer, was hoping we'd be able to hear the battery ejection at hotswap

>>16742083
Which one was the rocket that had a wet fart into the sea.

Is this a wise choice, or another case of EDS?

GOTTA GO FAST

>>16742094
Saarshit failed. Nobody has hopes for the next launch to succeed. Blumpf cutting space science. Overall terrible year

>>16742122
>the occultation of proxima by planet X, 2025

>>16742123
>space science
Not spaceflight

>>16742122
The Iris is on the move...

>>16742132
my bad

https://x.com/esherifftv/status/1952485446535315877
>You need some thick skin to be a full time creator on the internet
>I’ve had someone call me miss piggy today (ouch)

>>16742145
>>16742150
sexo

>>16742150
lmao this shit is shameless

>>16742145
LMFAO we've been calling her that for years! But honestly Loren Grush is the original spaceflight Miss Piggy

I... I think Elon got one-shotted by Ai...

>>16742145
Miss Piggy is a based character. She stands up for her rights, knows karate, and is devoted to Kermit. She's a great role model.

>>16742123
Starship is absolutely not a serious project

>>16742218
Raptor 3 will fix it

>>16742218
maybe if tory achieved something remarkable then investors would have faith in him
and again, musks critics focus on musks own audacious goals, not what he actually achieves (which is the reason people invest in him, not due to the goals)

he aims for 100, gets to 10, people say he failed
meanwhile the rest aim for 1.5 and maybe get it, maybe don't, nobody really gives a fuck either way

>>16742218
what a snake

>>16742224
Aim for the Moon and you will hit London
Aim for the stars and you will hit the Moon

>>16742218
starship is literally just a pet project made by different people; it was nothing actually serious. spacex has always been about the rockets, and that's where the government funds and employees put all their effort. it's ultimately military.

>>16742145
imagine glazing those hams

>>16742218
Maybe one day he'll be allowed to use other tools than excel to design the same rocket with the exact same constraints and safety margins since 1960.
But I doubt it.

>>16742115
Given the lightning fast deployment of Kuiper (lel) there's probably some EDS involved here, at least they'll be keeping the up to the wonderful reputation that NBN has had so far. There's probably also some desperation under-selling to get any kind of contracts going.

>>16742218
It's still been launching more than Vulcan.

https://x.com/SpaceRhin0/status/1952663745768853584

might have to static fire S37 again

>>16742266
>starling doens't divide it into Somalia and Somaliland
booooo

>>16742266
which government did they negotiate withto get that to work?

>>16742270
Goddamn it. Not a chance of success when this keeps happening. No wonder morale is in the toilet... insiders know, this whole program is flailing at a dead end, the impossible ask from Elon and the asshole himself isn't even participating in problem solving, just showing up for regular tantrums and to fire some more program managers. What a shitshow, descoping the program starts when?

>>16742218
this will age poorly, like so many of his snarky comments about SpaceX

>>16740511
is this the thing that cools astronauts? we need this here on earth: cooling suit with a backpack refrigeration unit. water coolant with an extra reservoir and a pipe so you can take a sip of the coolant water too. in fact add a co2 tank to make it a monster ultra coolant. this is high performance humany on earth. but urf is habitable they say! bs. aorly needed at my location!

>>16740567
>not hating carbonlets

>>16742270
So
S33: Ok Static fire? Still shat itself in the end.
S34: Obviously some anomaly happened during the 6 engine SF in hindsight, but they were under Elon's february deadline so they didn't redo it
S35: Two attempts at SF campaigns with anomalies in each, ended by doing a spin prime
S36: Amos-6:redux
S37: 2 SF campaigns.

>>16742300
The repeated engine swaps points to the engines themselves being unreliable. In this case, they are just fucked, it NEEDS dependable engines and they simply dont have such a thing

>>16742270
they should have known there was a problem shortly after static fire, why take down the test stand?

>>16742324
a mexican dropped a bag of shit in the turbopump

>>16742010
betteridge's law in action, berger just killed dream chaser

Just give up lmao, clearly this is too hard. Instead what SpaceX should do is a massive SSTO plane using Raptor engines.

>>16742023
every podcast and interview he's been on since losing the nomination, he's talked about nuclear power in space for manned missions

>>16742311
>In this case, they are just fucked
Starship has been undeniably fucked since the start. It's in a downward spiral the same way Musk himself is with his ket addiction.
First off engine development was a disaster. Starship required wunderwaffe engines which were always pretty unrealistic. RS25 is the most magnificent first stage engine ever flown, and it was so good because of immense complexity and cost. Starship needed engines at least as good as the RS25, but using a less efficient fuel, and with the engines being an order of magnitude simpler to manufacture and fix. Was never going to happen because RS25 was already straddling the bounds of what is physically possible with chemical rockets.
Raptor has been in development for well over 10 years and still doesn't work. Musk compounds the problem by forcing the Raptor team to seek more thrust from the engines causing them to disintegrate simply when firing fora long time. Raptor iteration is nothing like RS25 iteration. RS25 was built within a safety spec and they could gradually upgrade the thrust toward the upper physical limit as they became more confident in the design. Raptor literally doesn't work where it is now, yet they are still trying to push it for more performance.

>>16742339
also talked about it during the nomination hearing I'm pretty sure

>>16741693
There's some average angular momentum of a really big blob of gas. This is despite the fact that its movement isn't necessarily uniform. The average angular momentum around the center of mass is just very unlikely to be very close to zero. Then as gravity pulls it in that's conserved. The difference is that everything is now much denser and anything that's not moving in roughly the same direction as everything else is likely to get hit until it is.

>>16742341
SSME (RS25) conducted an experiment of 60000 seconds in 1979. Only 8 engines were used, with 30000 seconds in the first half of the year and 135 engine starts. The average ignition time exceeds 200 seconds.
During SSME validation, the longest single machine experiment had a total duration of nearly 20000 seconds.
Raptor engine iterates faster than SSME?
Raptor 1 used at least 60 engines and verified for 30000 seconds, with a total of less than 600 starts. Then the entire engine stopped production and was dismantled and abandoned.
Then an estimated over 300 Raptor 2 engines were produced in one year, with the total number and duration of experiments unknown.
Two static ignition units malfunctioned, one unit did not start, and one unit shut down within 5 seconds. The total test is half thrust for 15 seconds.
SLS has conducted multiple 8-minute ignition tests.
During the first flight, the ignition of 3 units did not start, and about 30 seconds later, another unit exploded. At least 8-9 units shut down abnormally during the entire flight.
I respect SSME.

>>16742266
I don't really want any Somalis on the internet though. Why is he doing this?

>>16741251
>launch basically fine birdshot into a retrograde orbit
Good idea anon, let's make sure there's nothing but fine dust left of every starlink and the ISS

>>16742341
>RS25
They belong in a museum!

>>16742369
it makes him money

>>16742398
Somalia doesn't have any money, who's paying him to bring them online?

>>16742402
good old US of A

>>16742403
Dastardly.

>>16741854
KRUSTY my beloved

iSpace's "Celestial Homecoming" Ship (Xīngjì guī háng), first of half a dozen droneships in construction in china.
However iSpace's RLV is probably a good year away from launch, but they've said they could lease it to other companies...

>>16742270
After they started immediately tearing down the test stand adaptor. So, now they get to rebuild that again.

Then tear it down again, launch, build the test adaptor again, test, tear down again then launch.

When observers say SpaceX has gone poly directional chaotic, this is why.

>>16742423
I’m already bored of barge landings. someone needs to find a novel way of returning a booster.

>>16742423
When is galactic energy gonna to launch their Pallas-1?
>>16742449
I had hoped that one of the Chinese companies would try a wire\tower catch system installed onto a recovery barge

>>16742461
>I had hoped that one of the Chinese companies would try a wire\tower catch system installed onto a recovery barge
>hoping for innovation from chinks
you must be underage to be this naive

Vibe check

>>16742442
Is there a reason they haven't scrapped the Raptor 2s yet? I thought Raptor 3 was ready

>>16742461
long march 10 was supposed to have a wire catch system, but I haven’t heard anything about it in ages.

>>16742481
Starship and Booster v2 are designed to use Raptor v2. There's inventory of the engines, so might as well use them. Consider it scrapping them in the sky.

so why don't they just build a bigger space shuttle and put it on top of the booster ?
most the the shuttle flaws cam from the solid rocket booster and the external tank

>>16742489
The heat tiles where a huge pain as they would be for any space plane of that size. Thousands of custom tiles is just not economically feasible.

>>16742449
snatch them in midair in a net carried by four big helicopters

>>16742243
Braindead tourist post

>>16742491
did they replaced them after each flight tho ?

>>16742498
After the columbia disaster they inspected each tile individually before and after flight. To be fair this was pure security theater but it was expensive and time consuming.

>>16742473
Explain how you can destroy your wheel on a planet with 1/3rd earth gravity?

>>16742503
that issue came from the foam on the main tank, make the shuttle bigger and put the tank inside like starship and you solve the issue
this whole idea of making starship super cheap is stupid since it's supposed to be reusable, most of V3 problem come from corner cutting from V2

>>16742509
also the whole reentry sequence of star ship is just a convoluted mess
honestly the whole design need to be scrapped imo

>>16742508
it’s easy when you make your wheels out of aluminum foil to save on weight

>>16742461
>When is galactic energy gonna to launch their Pallas-1?
NET Late October http://finance.people.com.cn/n1/2025/0725/c1004-40529570.html

>I had hoped that one of the Chinese companies would try a wire\tower catch system installed onto a recovery barge
Wire catch on ship was still planned for the CZ-10A as of 6 months ago.

>>16742508
>>16742513
this, the wheels are made of chewing gum wrappers because mass autism

>>16742538
what’s the secret sauce that makes spacex the ONLY entity capable of producing space hardware at scale?
It takes the entirety of the country of china to come second and they’re a distant second.

>>16742564
Gee I wonder....

>>16742564
stop just planning and start actually doing

>>16742568
that's what your dad was saying last night (when we were moments from having sex)

>>16742574
They are trying to hide how bad things really are by destroying the evidence.

>>16742574
They are hiding the evidence by destroying how bad things really are

>>16742578
>>16742574
There is no point in catching it as Flight 11, which has a Booster, is the last launch of OG launch mount.

>>16742566
there’s no way this is the only man alive with the skills, resources, and ambition to make it actually happen.

>>16742591
Maybe not but he's the only one making rockets atm

>>16742591
other billionaires aren't ready to take such insane risks
and most countries are too broke

>>16742578
>>16742579
they can test more aggressive manuevers with the obsolete boosters this way without risking the launch infrastructure

>>16742599
I tested some aggressive manuevers with your dad.
Captcha: wtx8m

>>16742591
A surprising amount of people don’t give a shit about the moon and mars and beyond, and those that do are either broke academics or normies.
Look how grim things are: even people who have the resources on paper and claim to care (such as Jeff Bezos) don’t have the means to run a proverbial “tight ship” and get their companies moving fast.
Elon is doing the bare minimum of what we should have done in the 70s and beyond with Apollo-tier resources and commitment.
For many, humanities’ venture in to space only needs LEO climate cubesats and a some sort of eventual hubble and ISS replacement and that’s all they give a shit about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuyxgs6CHXo&list=PLaMFBSsW8QxDL8qPW01sQgfvj3l3U-2qV&index=3

There was a workshop about NASA's Habitable Worlds Observatory last week. Among the new information is that they are studying servicing options for both Starship and dedicated visiting spacecraft.

>>16742635
Also the two more refined strawman concepts being studied now are actually bigger than the original designs. The larger concept is now a 10 meter mirror. They also proposed more instruments like a ultraviolet integral field spectrograph, which would be very cool.

>>16742612
Most people think differently. We are a very social animal and most people think entirely based on other living humans. Women especially.
There are no humans on other worlds so these may as well not exist to most people. You see this in all popular sci-fi media. The setting is just set dressing for a human drama. The world building is usually terrible but it doesn't matter at all.

Gutting Goddard. The following services will be terminated effective immediately:
>Cafeteria (GB/WFF)
>Vending Services (GB)
>Motor Pool Services (GB/WFF)
>Recreation Center (GB)
>Rocket Club (WFF)
>Visitor Center (GB/WFF)
>Dormitory Facilities Bldg F-4

>>16741752
The world's first human trial of a drug that can regenerate teeth will begin in a few months, less than a year on from news of its success in animals. This paves the way for the medicine to be commercially available as early as 2030.

The trial, which will take place at Kyoto University Hospital from September to August 2025, will treat 30 males aged 30-64 who are missing at least one molar. The intravenous treatment will be tested for its efficacy on human dentition, after it successfully grew new teeth in ferret and mouse models with no significant side effects.

Following this 11-month first stage, the researchers will then trial the drug on patients aged 2-7 who are missing at least four teeth due to congenital tooth deficiency, which is estimated to affect 1% of people. The team is recruiting for this Phase IIa trial now.

Researchers are then looking at expanding the trial to those with partial edentulism, or people missing one to five permanent teeth due to environmental factors. The incidence of this varies from country to country, but it's estimated around 5% of Americans are missing teeth, with a much higher incidence among older adults.

The medicine itself deactivates the uterine sensitization-associated gene-1 (USAG-1) protein, which suppresses tooth growth. As we reported in 2023, blocking USAG-1's interaction with other proteins encourages bone morphogenetic protein (BMP) signaling, which triggers new bone to generate.

It resulted in new teeth emerging in the mouths of mice and ferrets, species that share close to the same USAG-1 properties as humans.

https://newatlas.com/medical/tooth-regrowing-human-trial/

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240503/p2a/00m/0sc/012000c

Development of a tooth regrowth drug for congenital edentulism 97th Academic Lecture - Medical Research Institute Kitano Hospital (Kita-ku, Osaka): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05zUphizDI

>>16742666
bunch of useless shit, great move

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1952810811052966081
>The pad 1 launch mount ship static fire adapter has been re-installed today after a Raptor Vacuum engine on Starship 37 was swapped out with a new replacement overnight. Starship 37 will need to perform an engine spin prime and/or static fire test to verify the new RVac engine and then test flight 10 preparations can continue.

>>16742676
Iterative design ftw!

>>16742681
Wouldn't mind fucking her up the butt

>>16742669
Ok that's cool as shit, nice.

Oh no no no no spacexsissies. Our response?
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxFNilRKuI4PmREoyk6n_vkJ_kLYQDV8VO

Hide bait posters, ignore bait posts.

>>16742695
yes surely this time SpaceX has encountered an unsolvable problem

By Tory Bruno - Monday, August 4, 2025
OPINION:

The satellites go dark. That’s how it would begin.

Not with missiles, not with amphibious landings on Taiwan’s shores, but with a blackout in space. U.S. satellites, the eyes and ears of the modern battlefield, silenced or shattered. Communications scrambled. Surveillance gaps exposed. Missile warning systems blinking red or not at all.

Before the first American warship could respond, China would already be moving in.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth put it simply in a recent speech: “China uses its vast and sophisticated cyber capabilities to steal technology and attack critical infrastructure in your countries and in the United States as well. These actions not only compromise our countries but endanger the lives of our citizens.”

This scenario should chill every policymaker in Washington. It’s not a theory; it’s a plan, likely the plan, and we are dangerously close to being caught flat-footed.

For years, China has been preparing for a conflict in the Taiwan Strait. The country has watched, learned and zeroed in on our most critical vulnerability: our near total dependence on space to fight, see and communicate. Our constellation of military satellites enables GPS-guided weapons and coordinated operations across thousands of miles.

China has been quietly building the means to take that all away.

It has launched into orbit “satellite inspectors,” which happen to maneuver close to ours. It has also developed anti-satellite missiles and ground-based lasers. These capabilities aren’t theoretical. They’re operational.

We are not out of time, but the clock is ticking.

Space is not a sanctuary. It is a contested domain. If we don’t defend it with the urgency and seriousness this moment demands, we may find ourselves trying to fight the next war in the dark.

We can still change the ending of this story, but only if we act now and invest with purpose.

>>16742398
What makes you think it's about money? The Indian plans were offered at dirt cheap prices to the point that it costs more to operate there.

>>16742700
What's with this copium? They have encountered many unsolvable problems in their history and presently face many unsolvable problems which have doomed the Starship development program.

>>16740378 (OP)
I just watched a Thunderf00t video, I like the style, it reminds me of Youtube videos made in 2010

>>16742724
Thvnderfvvt doesnt need to keep up with trends.

>>16742718
yes surely this time its over and not just something they find a way to solve one way or another

>>16742704
thank you mr bruno, very cool

>>16742704
the government has been proactive about this for at least 10-15 years now. here's an article from 9 years ago about the military retraining on sextants and stars for navigation in case gps isnt available:
https://www.npr.org/2016/02/22/467210492/u-s-navy-brings-back-navigation-by-the-stars-for-officers

its been a trend for a long time even to today. x-37b is going up soon to test gps-free navigation:
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/07/a-secretive-space-plane-is-set-to-launch-and-test-quantum-navigation-technology/

its not just gps either. starlink unlocked proliferated leo (aka megaconstellations), which are a boon for military space resiliency and redundancy. and theres other things too like training in contested and denied space envrionments. so if the government isnt ready after all this time, they may never be.

>>16742666
"Got what I voted for" award for MIGAsissies

>>16740803
Reminds me of ringworld and the superconducting mesh on the ring that is uses to induce a gas laser. I love the sheer scale of those books.

>>16742669
Cool. Just don't overdo it.

>>16742730
>they find a way to solve one way or another
Oh yeah, like how they solved Falcon 9 full reusability the other way? Get real man.

>>16742566
This is unironically the answer. Nobody else gives a shit.

>>16742564
>what’s the secret sauce that makes spacex the ONLY entity capable of producing space hardware at scale?
Oneweb and Airbus (Toulouse then Orlando) was doing fine during its production phase, they were reaching 50/month in production, but funding and ownership issues limited the production batches. Had they continued and kept expanding both factories they may have added hundreds more per year on top of that. Now they're only using the Toulouse one for the next batches...

vulcan

Next Vulcan and Ariane 6 are now launching within 40min of each other!

>>16742669
This shit will be bought out by greedy k***s and the creators suicided like every other modern medicine advancement.

I just got back after a day. Holy fuck it's actually over. Elon is such an autistic goddamn retard he needs to be beaten up and yelled at exactly what he's doing wrong. I'm not joking someone needs to put that fucking sperg back in line otherwise the whole program is doomed.
>>16742773
No one gives a shit about these two obsolete boring pieces of shit. LEO isn't space so it's off-topic anyway.

>>16742773
Vulcan and Ariane 6 going into orbit while Starship can't stop exploding lmao

jesus christ how is he less liked than netanyahu
this nigga really thinks he's starting a political party

>>16742779
I'm so tuned out of modern drama that I don't even know what he did

life would be good if isaacman was still the nominee and the current admin was gutting SLS instead of already operational missions; it could be much worse though, I could be aware of (I'm guessing) twitter drama

>>16742785
they must've polled leftists because nobody on the right likes zelensky

>>16742754
you are delusional

>>16742788
It's a gallup poll. Supposed to be representative of the entire country

>>16742788
Cuckservatives love that J**

>>16742779
What are you on about?

>>16742785
He has personally set Mars back a century by being cringe. If the future is determined by the civilization that expands there first, he has singlehandedly insured that the west dies here. Just from being cringe. Someone wrangle this drug addicted adult child

>>16742791
lol bernie favorable, JD not?

>>16742795
nice bait post asshole. you know as well as everyone else here we have a 0% chance of getting to mars this century without him

>>16742800
China moon landing would've been a Sputnik moment, now any talk of a space race is partisan. The average normalfag literally thinks
>Mars? No way, fuck that guy

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-six-companies-to-provide-orbital-transfer-vehicle-studies/
>NASA has selected six companies to produce studies focused on lower-cost ways to launch and deliver spacecraft of various sizes and forms to multiple, difficult-to-reach orbits.

>The firm-fixed-price awards comprise nine studies with a maximum total value of approximately $1.4 million. The awardees are:

>Arrow Science and Technology LLC, Webster, Texas
>Blue Origin LLC, Merritt Island, Florida
>Firefly Aerospace Inc., Cedar Park, Texas
>Impulse Space Inc., Redondo Beach, California
>Rocket Lab, Long Beach, California
>United Launch Services LLC, Centennial, Colorado

>>16742795
shut the fuck up AASSHHHOOOOOOLE!

>>16742813
1.4 mil is nothing wtf

>>16742813
>nasa is paying six companies to research advanced propulsion
>total award for all six companies is no more than $1.4 million
ayy lmao good luck with that

>>16742834
That's 233k per PowerPoint, not a bad deal

Trappist is dead

>>16742734
There are other satellites the US military relies on that is not GPS or Starlink but I don't want to wear an orange jumpsuit so I'll just leave it at that.

>>16742813
>researching a shittier Fregat
NGMI

>>16742841
proliferated satellites are adopting those roles too

>>16742813
>United Launch Services LLC
Wuts that. Is this the US company that technically owned Proton rockets or whatever?

>>16742666
checked
We don't need every NASA site to have a visitor center.
And hopefully the Diversity Services was already closed.

>>16742851
tourist

is he wrong?

>>16742856
Probably, but I really do not give enough of a shit to think about it. If it's a problem, they'll solve it. Trivially, at that: they just need to surround the full tile with the black glassy material.

>>16742834
>to research advanced propulsion

Anon read it again.

>>16742856
does this clown have any source for his claims?

>>16742843
The only thing getting money that is comperable to Fregat is Helios and Helios is vastly superior to Fregat.

>>16742856
Does a bear shit in the woods?

He would have you believe that it doesn't rain in Florida or that all the tiles that have washed up on beaches actually sank.

>>16742868
Are you special needs? Something doesnt have to be waterproof to float.

McCullough seems to be implying that the QI drive is on but they haven't ramped up full power to it?

Cope? Or truth? OTP-2 is decaying at a normal rate so nothing the drive seems to be doing is having any effect on throost

>>16742891
Trust the Plan.

into the fucking dumpster

>>16742891
>oh no muh sci-fantasy meme drive isn't working
>it must just be a mistake, it'll work next time

>>16742898
>ITAR
>ITAR UGLY

>>16742870
Name something that can be saturated with water but still float.

>>16742904
ice

>>16742904
Starship heat tiles.

>>16742904
cheese

>>16742904
Jizz

>>16742916
It sinks

>>16742910
>water floats in water

>>16742917
You must have too much lead in your diet. Mine floats.

Man Elon has fucking lost it

>>16742924
>Man Who Thought He'd Lost All Hope Loses Last Additional Bit Of Hope He Didn't Even Know He Still Had

>>16742918
Yes, a pretty unique attribute actually

>>16742924
tldr?

>>16742924
Makes me sad

>>16742924
Oh nooooo God forbid Elon have a little fun with AI

>>16742924
I had to unfollow him. Just pages and pages of Grok spam.

>>16742942
Grok is based mecha Hitler haha

>>16742856
if they don't absorb heat they won't absorb water

What's worse, Elon grok spam or Elon Ian miles Chong retweet spam?

I love making AI marionettes of dead loved ones. Grok just puppeted my dead mothers corpse! I want to live in this fantasy forever

>>16742932
Nothingburger, as usual. People just can't stop spamming that slop in this thread.

>>16742952
Alexis Ohanian the ur-redditor did that with some other model a few weeks ago and I felt such sadness for him.

>>16742904
uhh jackie chan

>>16742932
I assume he gave big anime tits to Grok

>>16742924
>Are you guys still talking about Mars, this dustball? We have xAI, we have Tesla, we have this and that... I can't believe people are still care about Mars

man I fucked it up
I really gotta proof read

>>16742983
Mars is a democrat hoax, I heard.

>>16742969
Its fun that elon has the joy like that of youth. he is young at heart and pure

Fuck I wish Elon didnt have a controlling stake in SpaceX but Gwynne did.

Elon is based

Elon is the full package. Grok will be the first man on Mars, driving a cyber truck in a boring co tunnel

I believe in Musk till I die

>>16743024
Gwynne is literally just the HR dept

>>16742937
Make me piss shit and fart

>>16743077
>>16743074
>>16743071
>>16743037
Put the ketamine down and go to bed amerifat CEO

>>16743102
All me

>>16742472
And you must be a boomer if you underestimate the chinese.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1953001916876878171?t=pscZ1J2eJY7fM8cPFhKaIg&s=19
Made with Grok 4 Imagination

https://x.com/Prashant_1722/status/1953002362274291878?t=6Q8KzgSDyQ3W1gnAMJnTeg&s=19
Amazing, we need a WebM of this

>>16743128
i just want to see a man on mars before i die, is that too much to ask? i'm so tired of everything

Am I doing this right?

>>16743132
Holy shit it doesn't even work

>>16743128
>>16743130
what a joke. this looks like tech from a year ago.

HAHAHAHAHA

>>16743150
Elon is bringing back Vine, but this time you can only post AIslop. pretty neat huh

>>16743153
nobody cares

>>16743157
Mars colonization will be made illegal and you only have musky fuck to blame :)

>>16743158
Why are you here?

>>16743161
No, really, why are you here? What brought you to 4chan, of all places, to shit on people's hobby?

>>16743162
it's just communists man
that's what they do, shit on everything

>>16742666
Looks like sloppa? The text looks weird

>>16743170
Just the text? look at the "chairs" and the legs of the tables

>>16743170
Is obviously is. From the article:
>No more soup for you — Grok via NASAWatch
Dark days ahead.

Space Command chief calls for orbital gas stations as China tests satellite refueling. Military space assets need the same logistics backbone as terrestrial forces, argues Gen. Whiting. The head of U.S. Space Command is pushing for a fundamental shift in how America thinks about its satellites, arguing that the military's orbital assets need the same robust logistics support that keeps jets flying and ships sailing.

So what's the point of this nuclear reactor on the Moon?

>>16743213

China and Russia announced something earlier. Now in previous administrations we don't really care for that kind of saber rattling but Trump does things differently. He likes overt displays of hard power.

>>16742785
Unfavourability doesn't matter, notice that trump is more unfavorable than biden despite winning the election and popular vote?
Evidently people vote with different criteria than favorability.

>>16743213
Lunar night is like 14 Erf days in lenght, so you need either couple tons of batteries just to keep the lights on or a reactor in order to function there longer than two weeks.

>>16743216
>slight chance of starship flight to mars next year
wasn't he pretty optimistic about this like a month ago? it's fucking over.

>>16743216
>He still thinks flight 10 will launch this month

>>16743244
yes, 50-50 or something but that was before S36 exploding during testing on the pad

>>16743246
>S36 exploding
oh yeah, I forgot that had happened. my memory got kind of fuzzy after some many explosions.

>>16743248
I don't think losing S36 itself is such a big problem, its probably the slowdown from having to rebuild at Massesy and having to jerry rig Pad 1 for ship static fires

>>16743216
>mars NET 2029
elon we were supposed to get to mars in 2016

>>16743253
Wrong. It was in 2018, and using the whole Red Dragon architecture. You know exactly why that never happened.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26270977
Eventually elon got tired and saw it as a dead end, so he decided to might as well skip these missions to focus on BFR/Starship instead.

>>16743269
>You know exactly why that never happened
He was threatened not to by a senator?

>>16740416
Seems like a lot of people in this thread didn't see the documentary hosted by Marcus House on this topic. It was called Prometheus.

>>16743272
Funny thing is he could have obviously got Trump to greenlight red Dragon ifhe wanted to do it. But these cultists overlook that.

>>16743274
obviously? lol please

>>16743277
>>16743274
or you mean now? that would be absolutely retarded

>>16740584
I read your post. Now I'm reading my post but it's quickly coming to an end.

>>16743278
Expain how it would be retarded when dragon works and Starship is at least a decade from working?

>>16743292
>>16743292
>>16743292

>>16743291
it would take significant development time to make a dragon able to land on mars, all of which would be a dead end
its wasted engineering effort

>>16743296
Elon Reeve Musk stated that Dragon was capable of landing on Mars with no further development. Was he lying?

>>16743298
gay retard alert

>>16743298
maybe technically correct if you teleported a dragon capsule above mars
but simply landing there is quite different from launching a capsule from earth to mars

>>16743024
I wish you would touch some grass once in a while.

>>16743216
That's nice Elon. Now focus and get that thing to orbit first.

>>16743213
Because nucular beats solar

>>16743291
You have to be retarded to even imagine dragon could get to Mars with a living crew, let alone aerobrake and land, much less keep the crew alive for two years. How are they getting back to Earth? Positive vibes?

You have to be retarded to even imagine starship could get to Mars with a living crew, let alone aerobrake and land, much less keep the crew alive for two years. How are they getting back to Earth? Positive vibes?

>>16743511
Good post except you spelled dragon wrong.