Thread 16743032

So the Coast Guard Final Report is out documenting the implosion of the Titan Disaster which happened 2 years ago. Have any /sci/-heads seen it yet? It's here: https://media.defense.gov/2025/Aug/05/2003773004/-1/-1/0/SUBMERSIBLE%20TITAN%20MBI%20REPORT%20(04AUG2025).PDF

I didn't find anything in it regarding the supposed 'human remains' that were recovered. But does anyone know more about the manner in which they died and what could have been recovered? They were at high pressure at depth in low temperature, possibly ~250 times the surface pressure when the sub imploded. What we know is that the death would have been instant, likely tearing up and burning their flesh in an instant, but the only "remains" would be possibly teeth? Calcium can withstand high temperature and pressure but how on Earth did they find teeth (if these are the human remains) at the bottom of the ocean floor with all the debris? Here's more about the remains and some 'sludge' that was found apparently from Stockman Rushton and his 'uniform': https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/oceangate-titan-submersible-items/

>>16743032 (OP)
that environment is so calcium deficient, bones dissolve rapidly.

>>16743032 (OP)
>but the only "remains" would be possibly teeth
Bones are hollow filled with blood at ~1atm, the bones themselves will implode when exposed to that pressure in milliseconds instead of slowly when their porosity will allow the internal pressure to increase with external pressure.

>>16743091
>>16743100
So what kind of "human remains" could withstand that high pressure environment and be able to be recovered?

The flesh seems to have been instant cremation during the implosion like a piston firing off in an engine what what remained seems to be a science mystery.

>>16743032 (OP)
There are none, otherwise you had observed swarms of fishes around the wreck but here where only a lonely one.

>>16743138
>implosion
All remains exploded but no fishes catches them. No clothes, no shoes, nothing. All imploded into the void. They found the wreck twice btw. But bots, glowies and /sci retards can/will not remember.

>>16743175
explosion ≠ implosion

lrn2science

>>16743845
Ever thought it's on purpose for a reason?

>>16743032 (OP)
Did anyone read the report yet?

>>16743091
What is a whale fall?
Why did you post this drivel?

>>16745420
I flipped through it, turns out there were WAY more serious incidents prior to the disaster. and they were handled in typical oceangate style. kinda a pity the main guy died, it possibly would have been more cathartic to have the entire world get to call hm a stupid arrogant asshole to his face?

>>16745420
I skimmed it but dont see anything mindblowing in it that one wouldn't know already by having seen the netflix documentary.

I did read the accoustic monitoring system section in particular since I never understood how exactly they thought that would work and after reading it concluded that I still have no idea. Might as well make an app that uses a phone's microphone to show a nice bar, put it on a wall and call it acoustic wall monitoring.

They're never going to come out and say it because it'll be viewed as too macabre, but the human remains are likely teeth and/or bone fragments that have tiny bits of soft tissue still attached. That's more than enough to extract DNA and verify identity, which they did have a lab do after the incident, even though they knew who the victims were anyway. It's just part of the process.

>>16745651
But they just did a 300+ page Final Report. You would think that they went through every level of detail, so if the "remains" are in the report (which they should be), when will we get the final word on what it was that they actually recovered?

My guess is teeth as well since they are made out of various minerals like calcium that can withstand high pressure (and temporary high temperature) when the implosion squished their flesh and them incinerated any thing left, minus what can withstand those conditions at the time of the implosion.

By the way, does anyone know if somewhere in the report they go through the physics of the exact manner of their deaths rather than say 'they died instantly'? As gruesome as it is, it is interesting to learn about this because I think this is possibly one of the most cases of gruesome deaths in human history

Ynr the bodies of the Challenger crew were in "a semi-liquid state that bore little resemblance to anything once living."

>>16745668
The report is shockingly sparse on many details despite the amount of time that went into it and its length. It does not delve into the physics of the death at all, and really shows no interest in it as it was instant. It's not my area of expertise but my understanding is that the air inside got compressed so much and so quickly that it generated intense heat that only lasted for a fraction of a second and likely wouldn't have been the real cause of damage. It's the compression itself of the air, followed almost immediately by the water that just hits the body so hard that it practically liquefies.

>>16745668
I dont see why it is gruesome at all desu. Unironically one of the most instant and convenient deaths you can possibly have.

Most people will experience much much worse and with much less dignity deaths shitting themselves in a hospital someplace.
>>16745677
Challenger incidentially was probably much worse, that's because the crew capsule detached largely intact and likely were aware all the way down. (So that Is kinda gruesome and sad)

Although I do wonder, if the "quantum immortality" theory is true how exactly you'd get out of this one.

(Although I guess you can cheat away everything with "long range, large scale even super unliely quantum tunneling". Or maybe "teleported by aliens at the last second. which is basically the same cheat with extra steps)

>>16745719
My understanding is the physics of what happened was they were instantly liquefied and then incinerated/instant cremation when the pressure went up to first dissolve them and then cremate as much of their physical matter as possible just leaving what are possibly bones or teeth.

Why this is so interesting is because they say "human remains" but they don't say what the remains were at all. No human ever goes through a death this excruciating because nobody would ever be in a situation where they have the entire weight of the ocean and the atmosphere crushing them to death in an instant.

Also it is interesting that the Coast Guard said they would bring up Stockman on seaman's manslaughter charges but they have no body to take to court. He murdered those people (including himself) so deep in the ocean.

>>16745728
The heat involved was high, but only lasted for a split second. It's unlikely the heat had much effect on the bodies compared to the compression.

>>16743138
probably a shoe sole with a fleshy toenail embedded in it

>>16745733
>The heat involved was high
even this is suspect, but you seem to be the only one with a functioning brain in this thread

>>16745728
excruciating is the wrong word, they died faster than their nerves could even transmit pain signals to their brains

>>16745745
Depends what is meant by "high". Compression of air WILL raise its temperature. But I think people are imagining it being as hot as the sun in that sub and it wouldn't have been anything near that level. The heat is a non-factor in terms of how they died.

>>16745751
>>16745745
The reason people say "the heat was high" is because you are like air compressed by a piston. (Or in this case, marble rock hard water from all directions).

By the time "the heat is high", you are already very very sludget-compressed-down-to-its-water-no-longer-being-compressable shaped and literally at that point its the least of your problems.

>>16745755
>>16745751
>>16745745
>>16745750
>>16745733
If they were liquefied and it was so hot why is the ship still intact and not smashed?

let's do a back of the envelop calculation
estimate the air pressure inside the sub is at 1 atm = 100 kPa
estimate the depth of the titanic is at 4km. at that depth, the water pressure is about 400 atm = 40 MPa
invoke the ideal gas law, PV = nRT
assume the implosion is adiabatic because it happened so fast, so PV^gamma = constant
for diatomic species like N2 and O2, gamma = 7/5
before the implosion, [100 kPa] * [5 m^3]^[7/5] = 1e6 ish
after the implosion, [40 MPa] * V^[7/5] = [1e6]. solving for volume, we get about V = [0.1 m^3]

let's now assume that the air in the sub was around room temp of T = [300 K]
also assume the amount of gas is constant, therefor PV/T = constant
before the implosion, [100 kPa] * [5 m^3] / [300 k] = 1700 ish
after the implosion, [40 MPa] * [0.1 m^3] / T = 1700. solving for T, we get [2300 K] = [2000 C] = [3700 F]
this is under ideal circumstance, so the actual max temperature of the air would almost certainly have been less

the surface of the sun is about 5700 K

while the temperature seems high, the materials inside the sub would have been exposed to it for maybe 1 ms before cold seawater and shrapnel subdivided and cooled the air mass. there wasn't any time for heat conduction of any amount to have taken place before the entire thing was cooled to ambient temperatures

More from Ocean's Gate's Horizons after the sub blowed up

Does anyone know if there was anything like a 'Black Box' or any audio or computers recovered from the sub where they got the last words of the people on board?

So where do you guys think this stuff is now?

If it's still out there somewhere, will it end up in an museum?

Does anyone know if James Cameron said anything about the final report?

>>16745770
The sub wouldn't have failed everywhere. All it would have taken was a single point of failure and the sub would have imploded and liquefied them. The rest of the ship didn't have to fail, and even after the implosion the rest of it would still have been more or less able to withstand the crushing pressure, because again, all it takes is a single square cm of failure.

>>16745849
No, because he was a cheap ass. Also it wouldn't be very exciting, just some mundane conversation before hearing a loud crack and the resulting salty jello.

>>16745448
Its part of the latest spam bot powered by AI.
They create posts which contain nonsense words. They make replies, some of which appear to address the topic or another person posting, but deliberately throw oddball shit in as well.
For example:
>What is a whale fall?
"Its part of a Hoskins discourse"

I am seeing this shit everywhere.
As to why they do this who the fucks knows? To derail? Just to spam? To test something? Just to be cunts? No idea.

Was it even legal to have a business like that where the submarine was built with unconventional materials? Aren't there agencies enforcing safety standards in the sub world?

>>16746629
Who the fuck cares what he says? He was running his mouth in the early days of the incident like he was an expert just because he went to the Mariana Trench once, but just about everything he said turned out to be wrong. He insisted that he and his buddies "in the community" had inside info that they were trying to surface prior to the implosion because they knew it was coming, but we know now that they sent routine messages indicating no issue up until seconds before implosion, so that's something James Cameron just made up. I don't know why anyone wants to know what he thinks.

>>16743032 (OP)
>But does anyone know more about the manner in which they died
I'm not sure exactly what would have happened, but I imagine a much more extreme and much more violent version of the Byford Dolphin accident.

>>16746829
Because Jimcam might make another movie about what he sees down there or this incident so it should concern all of us.

Also that Mister Titanic was apparently his best friend who died in the sub so of course we want to know what Jimcam thinks.

>>16745728
>this excruciating
excruciating requires enough time to be aware of what is happening and then enough time to want it to stop. they probably didn't even have enough time to feel the event in the first place. death was about as close to instant as is physically possible. everything else is your own gore porn that you're adding to the scenario. maybe find something else to jerk off to.

>>16747468
The bottom line is they died in a way that pretty much no human being will ever go through and it was quite gruesome

>>16743032 (OP)
>2 years ago
What the fuck

>>16745770
>intact and not smashed
Are we looking at the same picture?

>>16747669
>Are we looking at the same picture?
In now way. That pic i see is made up and never believable. Debris simply do not form that way. Carbon is stacked as in a warehouse and no remains of anything. Many more idiotic stages i will not reveal to glowniggers that bomb my gas supply.

>>16743032 (OP)
They probably found pieces of body parts, like legs, feet, arms, hands, etc. Stuff too gruesome to put out.

>>16747704
No actually the consensus is that human bodies simultaneously explode/incinerate into a mist of pure carbon atoms leaving no trace whatsoever. Maybe you should have a little more faith in the science?

>>16747704
We need to see the bodies or exhumed body parts

>>16746729
the wreck of the RMS Titanic is located in international waters, approximately 350 nautical miles off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada. This means it is not under the jurisdiction of any single country.

>>16748185
The location of RMS Titanic was always a secret, even with oceanographers and marine biologists.

Now that Titan exploded, did the coordinates get released for where RMS Titanic is, also now in an digital age? Have any internet sleuths dug up any underwater maps of where it is over the years?

>>16748190
>The location of RMS Titanic was always a secret, even with oceanographers and marine biologists.
You can google it, The coordinates of the Wreck of the Titanic are 41°43′32″N 49°56′49″W.

To make the fakery complete: There are no icebergs at 41N (also not in April).

>>16748185
>This means it is not under the jurisdiction of any single country.
Quite correct, when you order a drink in the Titanic nightclub local taxes will not apply. You have a lot of freedom to kys in international waters too. But if you take passengers you under the rule of your flag and the boarding harbor nation. So what will you tell. That this shitty fake boat has a license to kill?

>>16748209
>There are no icebergs at 41N (also not in April).
JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS!!

WHAT ABOUT TOWER SEVEN!?!

YOU CAN'T CORNER X. DORNER!!

>>16748222
>JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS!!
>WHAT ABOUT TOWER SEVEN!?!
>YOU CAN'T CORNER X. DORNER!!
If you gnigs think that is an answer to the fake around the Titanic i am sorry. You failed. Come with something better m maybe -at least- maintain your caps lock key (or write a complaint to the IT department about it).

So what ever happened with those people?

I hope they make an complete recovery.

>>16748409
They're OK and all of them recently celebrated their birthdays. Thanks for asking.

>>16743138
teeth?

>>16748743
If it was teeth, how come they aren't mentioned in the report?

Do we have any dentists in the thread that know more about the potential findings?

>>16748743
Humans consist of a lot of water. Water is not compressible (in any useful manner). So the only affected structures are hollw ones such as lungs or bones. The rest (surely destroyed) will not ex- or implode. Further there should be other equipment and clothes, shoes etc. around, unaffected by pressure.. Please gnigs, at least place the camping toilet and/or a beverage bottle near your shitty fake. It:s ridiculous as the whole staged project and an insult to any above iq90.

>t. wet dredging and survey equipment eng.

Human remains are body parts, not clothes or shoes

>>16747704
I don't think any of the reports have explicitly describe what parts of the passengers and Stockton were found. I'm assuming parts of them them were crammed into the back of the sub and compressed or they got caked onto the walls of the Titan. All we can do is speculate as to what their remains looked like shortly after the implosion, but they certainly were in pieces.
>>16747750
>Maybe you should have a little more faith in the science?
I am autistic and refuse to take everything at face value.

Is anyone going to make a movie about this?

Does anyone know what is going to happen to Oceangate now after this investigation?

>>16746714
>why schizo bait
Our effective sampler temperatures are rising. LLM output isn't good training data for either LLMs or people.

>>16743032 (OP)
Flesh is filled with water. Water is mostly incompressible, so even getting diesel piston'd will leave some bits behind.
>>16748154
No we don't. Fucking guro fetishist

Who cares about Titantanic. The real question is, where is MH 370?

>>16752287
microsecond footage

>>16743032 (OP)
This video does a pretty good job at showcasing what would actually happen in the event of an implosion, nothing remains, it's like having 50kg of TNT exploding inside you.
https://youtu.be/_7T_QsoX2Pw

>>16743032 (OP)
>2 years ago
W-what?

>>16754215
>event of an implosion
Doubt that, usually the water pours in and equals pressure slowly (at that shitty fake boat with it's titanium-glue - glue
-graphite transition layers it would be around 100m depth/10bar)
>>16750669
>rammed into the back
Where's the toilet, the oxygen bottles, the CO2 washers, the motors, the water bottles, the batteries aso. Only /sci retards cannot see that obvious fake at a 1st glance and will never (it's a cheap one too). Why are you all allowed to give your useless meanings without the slightest idea of the subject? Why cannot the glowniggers over here at least hire one man with some knowledge for that fakery?

>>16753604
Pretty sure it closed immediately. With out the owner and its only capital (the submersible), there's nothing for the company to do. Theoretically the company could be acquihired, an acquisition in order to get access to its employees, but who wants to go out of there way to acquire the team best known for the Oceangate implosion?

>>16753954
>malaysia
I already don't care

>>16747666
Satan, I think we’re just not in agreement over the exact meaning of “gruesome”. To me this instant death is weirdly clean. but I get your point of view, it’s a unique and extreme way of destroying a human body

>>16754464
From watching the documentary on Netflix, it seemed like one or two of Stockton Rush's closest confidants were ready to take over the company if anything should happen.
The engineer guy (not the british whistle blower) was openly criticizing a lot of things even when camera crews and paying "customers" aka crew. He may have been positioning a little bit towards being a co-owner of the operation or something, but not as much as this other guy with the glasses.
From what I gauged from his body language, he had that knowing smile that they were doing some risky reckless stuff, but he seemed to restrain himself from criticizing and antagonizing Stockton.. He might've been vying for leadership

>>16754465
We Want The MH370 Audience.

>>16754616
is there any chance that guy was on drugs while driving the sub?

>>16746829
James Cameron in fact IS one of the world’s foremost experts on deep sea submersible dives. I’d view anything he says on the disaster as authoritative.

They found chunks of flesh and bone. Why this idiot is spouting off about being cremated is anyone’s guess.

>>16755496
>They found chunks of flesh and bone.
[CITATION NEEDED]

>>16755490
Instead of making movies about blue shit (e.g. Avatards) Jimcam should focus on making them about his friend and this undersea disaster. Plus it would give him time to spend underwater possibly filming these locations on his own.

Would the public receive such a film as well?

>>16745752
he looks so happy

>>16756312
what about now how does he look?

>>16745725
You get out of it by moving to a dimension where your submersible isn't shit.

>>16747667
I know, right? That was the key detail I noticed from the post...

>>16755490
>>16755490
>I’d view anything he says on the disaster as authoritative.
Because you're a retard with pop culture level subject matter knowledge.

>>16747686
I really wish schizos would stick to /x/, they pollute everything they touch

>>16756404
>teledyne
>we own you

>>16748240
There's nothing to come at you with, you're a delusional schizo that invents conspiracies to feel comfortable. Stop making us part of your therapy sessions, please.

>>16748240
Go back to /x/ you fucking lout

>>16756404
He doesn't count, plus, nobody remembers the 'second'. People always remember the first person to do something; e.g. James Cameron. It is analogous to Buzz Aldrin taking the backseat because Neil Armstrong.

>>16743138
>metal jewelry
>tooth fillings and false teeth
>medical augments like titanium screws and hinges
>hair
>clothing fibers
>peepee bottles

>>16748222
Can't FlimFlam the ZimZam

>>16743032 (OP)
If he hadn't been so busy discriminating against White male engineers, I wonder if one of them would have explained stress microfracturing to him and told him not to build his sub out of fucking brittle resin.

>>16759902
YOU CAN'T CORNER X. DORNER

>>16756976
>I really wish schizos would stick to /x/, they pollute everything they touch
Me too, at first idiots with no clue in submarine construction. /sci is the worst place for science, even propaganda techniques study bring little caused by the dumbness of the audience. Prove: That shitty boat fake.

>>16745849
they had a clip of the wife of the pilot listening to the radio and hearing a loud low pitch clank sound from around them with the radio signal being lost and wondering what that sound was

>>16745728
>"human remains"
they probably say "human remains" and now specify what it is because its some unidentifiable red gunk that belonged to a person but they don't know what exact part it is or who it belongs to, humans aren't built for high pressure environments

>>16760048
how come they don't disclose whatever it was they found in that full report?

Wjen will we get new news about M.H. 370?

>>16760048

In one of the recent Oceangate documentaries they showed this picture of some Oceangate business cards and Titan patches that were in Stockton Rush's pockets. They also said there were bits of his shirt with a pen still in the breast pocket.

>>16760865
Trash ≠ Human Remains

>>16760045
they posted that clip in news stories since then

>>16760865
>Oceangate business cards and Titan patches that were in Stockton Rush's pockets.
Maybe they found his passport in the WTC crumbles too.

>>16760866
The problem mean the red mist that stuck to some of the walls was human remains.

>>16762569
>The problem
They probably

>>16743032 (OP)
It's the Xbox controller isn't it

>>16743032 (OP)
>Human Remains
some of the passengers onboard were not human, they were indian

Fuck the sub, where is MH370?