Thread 16743894

>passport found
>engine found
>Betty Ong's remains found
This is because when an explosion happens it blows shit in the opposite direction. If it just "vaporized everything" we wouldn't ne here (refer to the Big Bang).
>why did WTC7 collapse?
Because of fire
It heated up on 10 floors, with uncontrolled ones on 6 of thdm for hours which lead the girders to thermally expand, leading to the failure of a key support column, thus facilitating a fire collapse.
>fire doesn't collapse things!
Whaf the fuck is a flashover?
>how did it happen when other buildings withstood fires for much longer?
Because it was some experimental design from the 1960s.
>those terrorists didn't know how to fly!
You're right. Which is why NORAD couldn't detecf them soon enough because they kept going up and down.
>jet fuel can't melt steel beams
You're right, but it can weakene it to the point of structural failure. Which is why it collapsed, due to the trusses and floors sagging and the top of the building no longer being able to support the weight. So the top of the building tilted and crushed the rest of the floors underneath it at near freefall speed. But the difference is the collapse was more outwards rather than inwards, which is why the concrete inner cores were left intact 10-15 seconds after both collapses before they too crumbled and fell due to no longer having support.
>the black smoke meant the fires were oxygen starved
This is wrong on two counts: plastics were burning which is why the smoke was thick, oily and black, and the fireproofing was dislodged due to the impact. Also, is this why 200 people jumped to their deaths?
>but it was meant to withstand plane impacts
Not going at the speed of a .45 caliber bullet that's the size of a fucking Boeing commercial jet.
>aluminum is too weak to penetrate steel
You're right. That's why the explosion and impact dislodged bolts and unsheared shit leaving a crater that didn't fully enter it.

>>16743894 (OP)
>they used thermite/thermate!
No building has ever been demolished using thermite and even if they did that would be impractical. And that's not what eyewitness testimony says either. Thermate could, in theory, but it releases byproducts that were not found at the crime scene, at least not in USGS dust samples that were in the correct ratios when taking ecerything else into account, and people wouldn't have been able to enter those buildings without respirators eithercdue to the noxious gases emitted from thermate.

Tl;dr 9/11 truthers cannot into physics.

>>16743894 (OP)
Also, papers were knocked out of the buildings and were falling for hours even after both collapses. That shouldn't be possible, going by truther logic.

>>16743897
Also, while this is not an endorsement of Bush, but as fpr that C-SPAN video - America has always been in debt. This was not news even then.

>>16743894 (OP)
Dancing israelis

>>16743895
So FWIW I think OP got the explanation for 9/11 physics right, but there are many diverse kinds of thermates out there using common to very uncommon minerals and metals; I would not count on there being reliable forensics for detecting novel mixtures of it that used mostly ubiquitous elements.

>>16743894 (OP)
Where are the engines in Pennsylvania?

"9/11 Was an Inside Job"
by Brian Stuart Fox

https://youtu.be/oa0eEGsiNaI

To see the lyrics,
click on "...more"
and then
click on "Show transcript".

>>16743894 (OP)
>girders to thermally expand
JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

>>16743894 (OP)
Maybe di physics of 9/11 can be answered trough answerin dis question...
>.16745068

>>16743894 (OP)
>(refer to the Big Bang)
You lost me already.

>>16745078
"Thousand foot building
falling in eight seconds
with volcanic ash
and it never ever happened before."

Heinz pommer theory

>>16745156
Heinz Pommer's ground zero model theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQuNo7KC4oo

>>16745114
"Blame it on a guy in a cave
[who] used to work for the CIA[;]
now we're gonna have another war."

>>16745157
Who drilled the holes in the solid granite to place the bomb 100 feet below the surface? How did they do this without anyone noticing?

>>16743894 (OP)
Pentagon is/was the most heavily surveillanced building on the entire planet located in the country's 10th largest city downtown.
>only video of plane impact is 3 grainy frames.

>>16745203
Shouldn't the engines have ripped off?
I remember some analysis of the released fiitage frames of the pentagon impact.
The analysed the progression of the pressure wave and concluded that it was fully consistent with high explosives

>>16745157
>>16745202
Underground explosion theory is pant-on-head tarded. You can literally look up videos of quarry blasting and it looks absolutely nothing like 9/11... the WTC foundations were fully intact after the attack.

>>16745216
Everything about the Pentagon story has got to be the biggest pile of bullshit normies have ever eaten up in entire history of our species. The perpetrators probably think they're dreaming when realizing how easy it was pull it off.

>>16743894 (OP)
Passports are actually made of a material with a higher melting point than steel.

A lot of people don't know that.

>>16745251
Is there another theory that better explains the way all videos turned to fuzz as they entered the clouds?

>>16745178
"Truth will set you free
so get over your fears
'cause you can't ignore,
9/11 was an inside job[.]"

>>16745314
IDK about all the "fuzz" but you can just look through the photos on Wikipedia to see the lowest floors of the buildings were not destroyed: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Aerial_photographs_of_Ground_Zero_(World_Trade_Center)

If this were some kind of "bottom up" demolition, you should expect lots of fractured sidewalk around ground zero and the lowest floors of the WTC entirely obliterated instead of still standing.

>>16745483
"You don't believe me
you can kneel and bob;
forget about Bill O'reilly the blob
'cause 9/11 was an inside job."

>>16743894 (OP)
I like to imagine 9/11 was just a complete fluke. Talk about a plan going way to good. Like imagine youre Osama and Mohammed Atta and youve got this crazy idea of just flying a bunch of big planes into important buildings and it surprisingly goes really good you crash the plane boom another plane. And then out of nowhere not one but both fucking tallest buildings in new york just collapse. Crazy to think about just a total fluke random thing

>>16745756
Shalom

>>16745839
What you dont think its funny to imagine 9/11 just as is with no conspiracy theory its a pretty wild story

>>16745675
Why was it still smoking in late October? From 91101 to 101501 NYC had gotten over 5 inches of rainfall.

>>16746348
I've never seen them supply any explanation for this other than sewers or something.

>>16745748
"Box cutters bringin' down trillion dollar military.
Where are the cameras at the Pentagon?
They took them away."

>>16746350
The explanation is that something other than jet fuel and building materials was burning there for a long time.

>>16746540
If you can find s picture of Pennsylvania I encourage you to look closely.

>>16746375
You should use the 5-7-5 pattern for your haikus:
"Jet fuel set on fire,
Can melt steel beams like butter,
Passports are immune."

>>16746563
>your haikus
They're neither mine nor haikus!

They're the lyrics of
Brian Stuart Fox's song
titled "9/11 Was an Inside Job".

>>16746581
Oh.

>>16746375
"Feelin' up grannies at the airport,
waterboarding prisoners,
Patriot Act that ya gotta obey."

>>16745203
weird that the "plane" homed in on the office that just a day before had reported over 3 trillion dollars missing

>>16746594
"Get your duct tape
'cause the dirty bomb's comin'
with the red threat level display,
9/11 was an inside job."

>>16745203
it was 2001 anon. hardwired cameras recording at fuck all fps to maximize record time and installed fuck knows when. they were designed to record people doing people shit, not the death fall of a commercial airliner. this is the same dod that still uses floppy disk drives.
>t. gen-x, i know how shit tech used to be

>>16745865
it's actually easier to imagine it as the end result of an intricately planned and well funded terrorist plot that used known weaknesses in systems. because it would have actually been easier to steal a plane and crash it into a building than to secretely wire those buildings for demolition and hope none of the forty thousand people who work there notice and that no one ever talks about it. but i guess thinking brown people are stupid and poor is easier to do.

>>16747552
Yup, entirely impossible for the man who owns the building to shut down entire floors...

>>16747552
Entirely impossible for the owner of the building to shut down a couple floors for however long it would take to setup. God, it would only take like 3 people in the know to pull this off. And two of them could be disappeared with no one noticing.

>>16743894 (OP)
I never understood the obsession with finding reasons to say the plane didn't hit the tower when eye witnesses saw it. And if you are already crashing a plane into a tower why add bombs inside?

The real inside job is the fact that the intelligence agencies willfully ignored the signs of a terrorist attack.

>>16747552
>hope none of the forty thousand people who work there notice and that no one ever talks about i
they did notice, they did talk about it, have you never heard of te israeli art students?

>>16747631
because peole said they saw a way smaller thing fly into the building

>>16747143
"Controlled demolition by a mob;
ballistic missiles now we're gonna lob
'cause 9/11 was an inside job.
Yes it was!"

>>16747461
The nuking of NYC is obviously worse than 9-11.
Your cartoon suggests, that 9-11 was the lesser of (the foregoing) two evils.
Or that thanks to 9-11, NYC was spared a nuking.

>>16747631
>The real inside job is the fact that the intelligence agencies willfully ignored the signs of a terrorist attack.
This.

9/11 was an inside job, in that everything was done by Al-Qaeda, while the alphabet agencies knew about it and deliberately allowed it all to happen, sometimes even helping them indirectly.

If the planes plan failed, they'd keep doing that until some sandnigger or mass shooter or someone else gave them a fitting burnt offering to further their agenda.

>>16747735
No this is retarded and ignorant of the evidence.
Are you a bot or glowie?

>>16747725
In the cartoon, the explosions are the planes slamming into the towers

>>16747835
WTF, we KNOW it is truth. Unclassified released documents prove that the FBI was warned multiple times ahead of 9-11 about the terrorists some flight instructors straight up told the FBI that these guys were up to no good, that they wanted to learn to fly but told the instructors they had no need to learn to land. We KNOW some of the hijackers had their immigration denied but the CIA over ruled that to allow them in regardless. We KNOW MOSAD had agents across the hall from the hijackers trailing them and keeping tabs on them. We KNOW dancing Israelis told the NYPD that they were there to document the event. We KNOW the rules for intercepting a hijacked plain by the air force were changed weeks before the attacks making it so only the President could order such a plain shot down. We KNOW the owner of the buildings would have had to pay more in asbestos remediation than the buildings were worth, that he massively increased his terrorism insurance just before the attacks and that him and all his friends and family just happened to not be there that day.

How many straws does it take to break the camels back for you? Or are you just going to keep burying your head in the sand.

I don't really care one way or the other what people say about controlled demolition or WTC 7, this shit is fishy as hell without any of that.

>>16748018
No the idea that a plane alone could destroy the building to powder is the most ridiculous part of the entire charade.

>>16747941
>In the cartoon, the explosions are the planes slamming into the towers[.]
That's what you say.
The cartoon doesn't have a fourth panel.
Thus we don't know what caused the explosion which is indirectly seen in the third panel.

And there's only one explosion in the third panel.
Not two explosions, as you said or wrote.

Furthermore, gab.ai says:
WTC1 was struck at 08:46.
WTC2 was struck at 09:03.
In other words, the two explosions, to which you referred, weren't simultaneous.

In conclusion, the real 9-11 perpetrators saved NYC from being nuked.
Bless "their dear souls".

>>16747715
"Turn on the lights and the rats will scurry
the perpetrators of the crime;
and you don't even have to worry
'cause love will kill the slime."

>>16745078
lmao this is your "rock-solid" evidence?
a fucking music video?
god do you people think you're the protagonist of a skooby doo show or something?

>>16748785
>retard ignores the entire thread and rages at light entertainment
You're a funny guy

>>16745114
11 seconds

>>16745203
Only video that they’ve released

>>16748831
50k people work at the pentagon and there were numerous other non-pentagon surveillance cameras all around this area. It is quite impressive how they managed to scrub all of them isn't it?

>>16748830
>11 seconds

"The total collapse of WTC 1, from the initiation of the collapse to the point where the structure was essentially reduced to ground level, took approximately 11 seconds. This duration is based on seismic data, video analysis, and [...]."

"The total collapse of WTC 2 took approximately 10 seconds, as determined by seismic records and video analysis [...]."

"The times provided (11 seconds for WTC 1, 10 seconds for WTC 2) are widely accepted averages."

>>16749579
wasn't 8s the freefall time?

>>16748785
>"rock-solid" evidence
Try this on for size:
https://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book

>>16748715
"Bush knows,
Bush doesn't know,
Bush might be an idiot,
Skull and Bones Bush really knows how to lie."

>>16743894 (OP)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center_(1987%E2%80%932001) so how'd this collapse

>>16750738
Bush was a legitimately smart guy in the nineties then he seemed to get lobotomised. Gotta wonder what caused it.

>>16750908
I personally have developed a conspiracy theory that there is some unknown environmental toxin at the White House making all the Presidents retarded over time, and all their doctors are too stupid to test for it. It could be job stress or some other bullshit environmental factors, but they all seem to have massive cognitive decline starting a couple years into their first terms.

You could kind of see it with Bush and Obama, but with Sleepy Joe and Dementia Donnie it has been just next-level.

>>16743894 (OP)
>list lazily to the right
>my maneuver to avoid premier American radar

>>16750965
Havana syndrome has been debunked.

>>16750908
>he seemed to get lobotomised
he just had other interests

>>16750965
they literally had biden played by an actor in a mask

>>16750965
>some unknown environmental toxin at the White House
It may be its tap water. I'm serious.
>Bush and Obama
What about Reagan?

And what about Charlton Heston? Quote: After his rise to fame, Heston narrated for highly classified U.S. Armed Forces and Department of Energy instructional films, particularly relating to nuclear weapons, and "for six years Heston [held] the nation's highest security clearance" or Q clearance.

And what about poor Michael J. Fox? He used to be so smart.

>>16743894 (OP)
This is what are you looking for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NkBfLBov5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMvCWFCoVN4

>>16751044
Typical scamming jeet who can't be bothered to learn how to speak proper English = opinion discarded.

What was Sabin Mathew's original jeet name? Sasjeettowoudgopooo?

>>16750738
"Get ready for Iran
that's the master plan.
Too many useless eaters
now everybody must die."

>>16749148
This was 2001 not present day. Not one of those 50,000 people would have had any recording equipment on their person at the time of the impact. Smart phones were not a thing in 2001.

>>16751422
there were no recording devices in 2001 derp

>>16751637
there were recording devices but what individual would be walking around carrying and operating a camcorder arbitrarily whilst at the office? The consumer-grade recording devices of 2001 were not casual everyday pieces of equipment like modern smart phones. They were reserved exclusively for important occasions.

>>16751638
DC is one of the biggest tourist attractions in the world. Shittons of people with camcorders walking around all day everyday.

>>16751640
>DC is one of the biggest tourist attractions in the world.
As is New York and still there are only 2 known recordings of the first plane hitting the North Tower despite the building being easily visible from almost anywhere in downtown Manhattan, Jersey City and Brooklyn (and neither were recorded by tourists). Nobody had any incentive to film the building before any incident had occurred. People did not film every minutiae of their lives like in 2025.

>>16745083
>JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS
can coal melt steel? The fire only needed to weaken the steel beams, many were disconnected putting additional stress on the remaining and only needed to be weakened for collapse to start.

>>16743894 (OP)
>passport found
How can the passport be found with no damage after colliding with the building at high speed, being in a giant fireball then falling 1,000 feet to the ground? The vids of the impacts show the plane is disintegrated into the building, only the heaviest of metal parts made it through the other side. The papers were from inside the building blow out, not from inside the plane.

>>16748018
>We KNOW some of the hijackers had their immigration denied
Former state department employee working in Saudi Arabia said he was directed to give visas or passports to terrorist and others on do not fly, or do not allow entry into the US. One lady in San Diego actually called the CIA and told them about one of her neighbors who was one of the high jackers. The people were being identified and the plan was being revealed and the FBI and CIA had to work overtime to stop the investigations/info until the attack could be carried out. The think tank Project For A New American Century wrote a paper about the need for a catalyzing event to the citiszens would support global wars and massive spending.

25 years later retards still can't accept that JET FUEL DOESN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

>>16751099
He qoutes joe hill's work on 9/11.

>>16743894 (OP)
>You're right, but it can weakene it to the point of structural failure.
Structural failure was not due to fire, but was rather due to design flaws.
Remember how they had to repair the Citi building?
Yeah twin towers were progressive collapse caused by structural failure at the impact sites. That's why the South tower fell first (struck in corner). Even though the North Tower was hit first.
The "fire caused the collapse" is indeed false. Engineering firm was given golden parachute to not be held liable.

I thought this would have been modeled dozens of times by now

>>16751746
the building literally pulverused into dust? There is simply no way energetically that a builing of steel and concrete could do this from a simple collapse.

>>16751364
"Because hijackers
who are still alive
precisely guided planes
they could not fly,
9/11 was an inside job."

>>16743965
>Dancing israelis
This. The official narrative says that there were dancing Israelis but that they were part of some moving company or some shit, and the boss of this moving company had some "irrelevant" connection to Mossad in the past, etc. It doesn't pass the smell test.

>>16752547
you don't
>pass the smell test

>>16752550
Big nose doesn't mean reliable nose, Shlomo.

for me, its the pentagon hearing
a trillion dollars missing from the mil budget and a fucking plane flew into the meeting about it? c'mon now

>>16752683
That turned out to be a bit of a red herring from what I remember, like the gold heist from one of the towers

>>16752547
There's also the link between the Israeli intelligence and the alleged meeting between Iraqi officials and Mohammad Atta in Prague, which turned out to be a fabrication. Then there's the clean break report and the anthrax terror in the wake of 9/11. Or the WMD propaganda, the bought Uranium from Niger, and so on. But "debunkers" focus on the physics of the WTC collapse. It's as if somebody broke into your house and your asking the police, how jumped over your fence and broke your window.

>>16752792
Not to mention the simulations of hijacked commercial airliners that were scheduled for that day all across the North Western USA. What a coincidence. But "debunkers" argue about whether the Pentagon was struck by a plane or a missile, as if that mattered in any way.

>>16752545
"It's a conspiracy, don't be a snob
the Middle East, now we're gonna rob
'cause 9/11 was an inside job!"

>>16752776
No is all real, if you knew the wtc the vaults were right there you wouldn't be able to get valuables out on time and when the towers collapsed dollar bills would fly everywhere

>>16752792
desu, I always thought the "dancing Israeli" thing turned out to be schizo nonsense (I saw the footage myself in the week or two after the attacks but for some reason took it for granted that it had been resolved, partly because maybe only like 5% of 9/11 truthers even mention it vigorously).
Imagine my surprise when I discovered that it's actually part of the official narrative, that the dudes were arrested, but that it was all written off as outlandish behavior on the part of Israeli moving-company employees and that their employer's Mossad connections in a "former life" were written off as irrelevant.
As I said earlier, doesn't pass the smell test.