Thread 16743952

How do we get kids to care about Science and Mathematics?

>>16743952 (OP)
Start by flaying people who shit on pop sci and any kind of sincere excitement for science. Display their bodies in public to set an example.

>>16743952 (OP)
Care in what sense? For what purpose?
Should it be the same kind of "care" across the board or different "care" according to ability or likely future position in society?

>>16743952 (OP)
Things were going pretty good on that front until chatgpt came along. Now, and once again, it is over

>>16743952 (OP)
>you want to play minecraft?
>first you have to understand physics, semiconductor physics, material science, electronics, microwave circuits, signal processing, computer architecture, computer science, software engineering, computer graphics, network technologies, and why rei is superior to asuka

>>16743952 (OP)
The problem is better framed as "how do we keep kids from giving up on science and math", and the answer to that is to get out of their damn way.
Allow the good ones to pull ahead, that will naturally reinforce their interest. Stop micromanaging for equalized achievement. LET BAD STUDENTS FAIL.

You can't force them to value differently, especially not after about 13 or so. Work with nature by fostering the talent that presents itself instead of trying to reshape reality according to ideology.

>>16743970
It would be interesting to only allow people to use technologies once they have demonstrated some prerequisite understanding.
Kinda antithetical to economics, though. Most things are worth buying because the buyer does not have the understanding to make/do it themself.
Limiting it to addictive leisure technology might still be beneficial. Reducing addiction and/or using the addiction to fuel learning seems better than what we have now.

Good quality sci fi usually does the trick

>>16743952 (OP)
Hire a fat black man to talk about kissing mirrors

>>16743952 (OP)
mobile/pad unlock screens with math/science questions. glad i could help.

For starters, ban hollywood crap

>>16743952 (OP)
My school took us to a science camp for a week and I came home after intensely interested in in science and math. Too bad that feeling only lasted another 2 weeks though

>>16743970
>rei is superior to asuka
Oh my basedience, you are a waifulet.
>>16744019
Sadly there is severe lack of it.
>>16743952 (OP)
Make experiments in classroom, tie lesson to real life situations and divide students by skill so people that don’t needed full rote memorization are not forced to sit entire class doing 10+ identical exercises with slightly tuned numbers.

>>16743952 (OP)
Make it so it makes money. Unfortunately we exported basically all of that to China.

>>16743952 (OP)
Why? Who came up with the idea that science and math (or any area of interest) should be evangelized as a product to be shilled to children? I agree that e.g. chemistry kits with cool colored salts you can make magic things happen with should be advertized and sold to children who like to explore that kind of stuff. But what's the point of evangelizing it?

>>16743952 (OP)
put every physics problem in the form of a frog meme

>>16744369
One would think on a science and mathematics board that it is commonly accepted that an interest in science and mathematics is Good

>>16743952 (OP)
don't have 5th grade science teachers waste an entire class session by trying to dab on the students saying that holding a pile of books level akshewally isn't work

>>16744985
>an interest in science and mathematics is Good
science and math are gay

>>16743970
This but unironically, because in the near future you can't get a job in Minecraft unless you have hard-to-get knowledge and skill that can't be replaced by AI, a low wage worker or another NPC that just did the bare minimum in school to get a degree.

>>16743952 (OP)
>How do we get kids to care about Science and Mathematics?
Kids care about whatever they get exposed too, they mostly copy their friends. Before the internet it was as easy as giving them books on some topics, now theres too much online competition for their attention.
Think about it, why should kids care about math more than anything else? Maybe sports are better, or being good at playing cards

>>16744985
Yes, if one is going to participate on this board, one should have an interest in math or science. That has nothing to do with whether or not that interest should be evangelized to random people. I'd actually prefer that FEWER random people had an interest in math or science.

>>16744985
Usually kids just learn from their parents and other kids in their social circle. Is science good? A kid will believe that if you take him to the science museum, give him tons of scientific toys and books of increasing complexity. The kid must also be bad at making friends so he will cope with reading.
Its too hard to do nowdays as the internet offers too much diversity of topics, you cant put a kid on a track

>>16745172
>the internet offers
Consider the math and science evangelists on youtube, for example. What they do isn't math or science, it's advertising. Completely different field. When you see something being advertized, what you're experiencing is advertisement, not the thing being advertized. It literally trains people who may have had some innate interest in math or science to associate it with advertisement, rather than any actual math or science. It's really sick and demented, to be honest.

>>16743980
Of course the only poignant post gets ignored. No different to if you made this point to anyone in charge.

>>16745200
The post was obviously written by an activist of some sort with an ax to grind. The first sentence, stop interfering/ evangelizing, is all that needs to be said. Everything after that is political brain rot triggered by a diet of political advertisement and incontinently revomited.

>>16743952 (OP)
capitalize on real world examples and applications, the time I could reproduce the volume formula of a cylinder in my mind graphically, something clicked. maths can be a beautiful thing

>>16745177
Part of the problem is most advertisement is all hook and no food. This primes people to immediately disregard anything that begins to fit the pattern even if there may be sustenance.
There is too much ABOUT math/science and not enough INTO math/science.
Royal Society method seems best to cut through the bullshit.
Videos about building a cool/useful thing and demonstrating (show the cooking, not just the ingredient list) how the math/science serve their purpose in the build is a good formula.

>>16743952 (OP)
put it on social media, make it trendy

>>16743952 (OP)
Stop using science and mathematics for a bunch of evil shit.

>>16744985
Having an interest in science and mathematics ruined my life. I wish no one had ever put the idea in my head that it was a good idea to pursue it as a career. Fuck you.

>>16745431
Hate to break it to you but the same sort of ruination would have happened to you no matter what you decided to do.

>>16745200
Get fucking dunked on, retard. I bet you feel pretty embarrassed right now huh?

>>16743953
Unironically this, you guys hate pop science, but it's a very useful gateway for kids to get interested in science.
They're not going to read a 40 page research paper that you have to pay $30 to read.

>>16743952 (OP)
raise their iqs o wait you cant lol

>>16745509
not him but i would have been better as a plastic surgeon or professional baker

>>16743953
fpbp. You need to actually get kids excited about something and showing them hard math isn't the way.

>>16745904
I know you think you would. You wouldn't.

>>16743953
>>16745907
>>16745690
You faggots say this, but are you willing to offer decent salaries and conditions to teachers?

>>16745999
What's a decent salary for a teacher?

>>16745999
Not any of those anons but to the extent that a school is privately funded, sets its own limits and barriers to enrollment, and uses its own proprietary curricula (that includes explaining at some point how the SAT works), teachers tend to have very decent salaries, students, working conditions, and other benefits.

>>16745987
>You wouldn't.
How edgy. How demoralizing. Now, what makes you think that?
I will tell you what, both bakers and plastic surgeons can make insane amounts of money. Getting jobs or business in both professions is also easy, while i had to move countries to find a job as a physicist. Salaries were marginally better than that of average laborers.
If i was a celebrity like Feynman it would be different for sure, but you dont need to be a celebrity to make it as a baker or plastic surgeon. Below average is good enough, while in physics only the best make it.
Its no different than choosing to play sports as a career. Sports pay nearly zero, they are considered a personal hobby unless you are so good you get into a national team.

>>16746032
You're the one demoralizing yourself by assuming a counterfactual with a better outcome that you can never access because it involves changing one or more past decisions. That's not only nonsense, it's counterproductive nonsense, unless maybe you're using it to write nostalgic music or poetry or something else that makes you happy. It's also of course nonsensical, but not counterproductively so, to assume that you'd have faced the same sort of trials and setbacks and found yourself at the same point in your life, just by a different path, and that either path gave a unique perspective going forward. So faced with two nonsensical counterfactuals, you're choosing, intentionally, the counterproductive, demoralizing one. Why would you make that choice?

>>16743952 (OP)
by relentless bullying of people who shit on science

>>16746041
>by assuming a counterfactual with a better outcome that you can never access b
I assume that different decisions lead to different outcomes. This is obvious and doesnt require me thinking i can change any past decisions.
I will illustrate this with an example: Suppose i had decided at one point in my life to cross some street without looking both ways and some truck runs over me, crippling me and ruining my life. It would be easy for me to then say that had i looked before crossing the street, i would not have been run over by the truck and my life would not have been ruined by such an accident.
Thinking that would not require of me the capacity to change the past.
The fact is that different life decisions lead to different outcomes, and you have to be batshit insane to think otherwise. But i dont think you are insane, you are simply edgy and a sadist and like to say dumb shit to try to fuck with people.
Also, you write like shit, how many times can you use "counter" in a sentence? Holy fuck

>>16746145
>It would be easy for me to then say that had i looked before crossing the street, i would not have been run over by the truck and my life would not have been ruined by such an accident.
Yes, it's easy for you to say that. All you have to do is assume a fantasy where you also avoided every other accident between then and now. This is obviously nonsense, obviously a fantasy. It's just as easy to assume a fantasy where you got crippled a year later in a skiing accident. Both fantasies are nonsense. But you like assuming the fantasy that allows you pretend you'll never have a better day than you would have if you'd started off as a baker. Your real problem is that you like doing this now. Not that you did something else in the past. Also you should never, ever give writing advice to anyone, ever again, never. Especially not for a language you clearly don't write natively.

>>16743952 (OP)
Explain everything to them and make it entertaining. My daughter is best in class at chemistry and physics because i started early to teach her. Ignite the flame of thirst for knowledge when they are young.
For example, i told her that she shouldn't take closeup pics of our cat because it emitts light that humans can't see, but for cats it's like a flashlight in their face. From this point i started to explain the spectrum of light. She was interested, had some questions and so on. We had a 30min conversation just because of a picture of our cat.
Take boring everyday situations and make them interesting for them.

Each school should have advanced classed for the more academically gifted kids. Kids learn best with their peers and the special classes will have more dedicated teachers and resources.

>>16746281
Does this not happen anymore? Since when? We always had locals, regents, honors, for everything. Sometimes AP

>>16745509
I have since had a successful career as a furniture maker. You are just a hating ass mark.

>>16746324
Hate to break it to you but you'd have had the same success in that field no matter what you did between then and now.

>>16746281
>advanced classed for the more academically gifted kid
These were horrible for my social development, fucking autism prison cells

>>16746281
The ceilings are still too low. The pace is too slow.
There are going to be freaks that use the internet to learn who are lightyears ahead of the average goyslop-hobbled kids.
Access to the internet will produce such variance that no one-size-fits-all solution will work.
Being in high school was a massive hindrance to my learning rate. My solution was to learn at hyperspeed at home then sleep at school. Only reason I went was to get the busywork. College was better since they tended to post homework online so I could just skip class.

>>16746345
That's a grass-is-greener interpretation of your social development if I've ever seen one. Given your desire to wallow in self pity, you might have actually taken your own life in a nonsegregated environment.

>some kids probably shouldn't be in the sciences and math. so increasing interest might actually do harm to the field and bog it down with agonizing shit that the realy smartypants people see as a major barrier to scientific advancement.
>pedagogy of the oppressed, try to relate science and math to the childs present situation, and what they are already familialr with. Not just with lame world problems but actually incorporating those objects of attachment into science and math education.
>make fun and engaging "games" that sneakily trick you to understanding concepts
>put more emphasis on scientific research and achievement over sportsball shit. Kids make the news all the time in small town fagball matches on the nightly local broadcast. start putting the same attention on research and science in the schools to add more prestiege.
not just some fluff piece about some new toy or whatever.
>there is also a big "censorship campiagn that belies all this political bullshit. I think theres alot of reasearch and field of science that are being suppressed from the pubic becuase the government is trying to get the main foothold
I see brilliant being advertised alot of places, how well do you think they do?

>>16746365
>I see brilliant being advertised alot of places, how well do you think they do?
Good luck making your kid sit through public school hell then adding additional shit for them to do in their free time.
Probably used more by homeschooled types so the data might be confounded.
I welcome the online alternatives. Public school is becoming watered down participation trophy busywork whose goal is to hide innate disparity in order to coddle the fee-fees of underperformers.

>>16743952 (OP)
No white kid growing up right now is going to become a "Scientist"

Surely not any boys. I should say there will be more than enough of those daycare jobs to go around for women but they will be heavily automated.

But no white gen alpha boy will ever need to know how to dropper liquids in little test tubes, nor how to write about droppering liquids in little test tubes because they're going to be illiterate.

Universities have lost 50% of the population as potential customers.

Which Way, White Gen Alpha Man:
>Trades (until they're automated)
>UBI
>Die for Israel

>>16746341
I have since had great success at a faang internship.

>>16746376
No white kid who's interested in how shit works will care about your political vomit. Surely no boys will care. You're just mad at your boomer parents or grandparents for racially abusing you with the world they bore you into. And instead of having kids of your own and disabusing the future for your kids, like most of your peers are, you're in a tar pit statically projecting your own narcissism into the future. Stop doing that. It's bullshit and the sooner you snap out of it, the better you'll feel about tomorrow.

>>16746388
Proving my point that you'd have had the same success in that field no matter what happened before or after.

>>16746392
White kid: I'm interested in how shit works
University: That will be $100000

>>16746395
$100k is for networking, not for how learning how shit works, which is essentially free in terms of science.

>>16746393
I've since had great success getting facial Koreanisation surgery and being notable /fa/ schizo pigslim