Could better vaccine messaging have prevented this?
Not asking about gun control or mental-health resources—those are /pol/ and /adv/ territory. I want the /sci/ take:
- How much does the way we communicate risk (e.g., "extremely rare side-effects" vs. absolute incidence numbers vs. open-data dashboards) influence downstream conspiratorial attribution?
- Did the initial "99 % safe" slogans backfire once any verified adverse-event database entry could be waved around as "proof" of a cover-up?
- Are we stuck with a population-level cognitive bias where a single vivid anecdote outweighs 100-million-dose safety curves, or could different framing have lowered the temperature enough that this guy wouldn’t have fixated on the CDC as the locus of his suffering?
Concrete studies, risk-communication literature, post-mortems from other public-health campaigns welcome. Shit-flinging about vax vs. anti-vax will be ignored; bring data or go back to /pol/.

>>16745586 (OP)
>maybe if we all used LOGIC then the crazies wouldn't craze.
OP, your heart is in the right place. Bless you. But stop.

How could people not interpret all the attempts to censor all vaccine and covid discussion on the internet as anything but suspect? At a time of social distancing, lockdowns, etc. where people could have really used sites like youtube to cope and work through what was happening to people mentally, youtube instead demonetizes and censors anyone attempting to discuss their experiences with going through everything. Instead you are left "official" sources with poor and mixed messaging on the nature of covid, the vaccine, and everything involved in it. It was only natural for it to breed backlash and suspicion from people.

No refunds vaxxies. If you still think it was safe and effective have you gotten your booster this year?

>>16745586 (OP)
We are stuck with basically 100 million gullible retards that have wholesale bought into conspiracies for why their lives suck instead of the simple explanation that the rich people are just stealing the money that the rest of us would be making in a more fair economy thanks to decades of government being asleep at the wheel. There is no Jewish conspiracy (although Israel as a state has a disgusting level of influence on state and national politics), there is no NWO, there are no vaccine microchips, there is no Rockefeller blah blah blah
Rich people are just regular people with less developed senses of empathy for their common man and a work ethic or luck to make use of that

>>16745586 (OP)
You just need to let the crazies be crazy. Trying to support anti-vaccine opinions created a massive streisand effect that objectively made things worse.

*suppress

>>16745586 (OP)
No, I don't think anyone who was mad at the vaccine was mad because of the messaging. They were mad because of the (sometimes real, sometimes exaggerated) physical compulsions on their bodies and their freedom of movement. Being physically forced to stay inside. Being physically forced to take a drug. None of that would feel any different if you wrapped it in a different color of paper.

>>16745602
You sound jewish if you're telling people to get booster shots
Fuck off kike lover

>>16745604
>There is no Jewish conspiracy
It's not an intentional "conspiracy" but how else would you describe the mythologized indoctrination of the holocaust on to all western schoolchildren as a uniquely traumatic event, so traumatic that the most privileged people in the most overrepresented white ethnicity in every modern power structure can claim not only an exemption from their own white privilege but the right to organize as a white ethnicity and have special tribal scholarships, tribal professional associations, and so on, that exclude everyone who isn't in their tribe? It's just absurd. It's an absurd social dynamic that needs to be equalized, whether by allowing other white tribes to self-segregate in the same way or by disallowing Jewish self-segregation.

>>16745604
>There is no Jewish conspiracy (although Israel as a state has a disgusting level of influence on state and national politics)
lol immediately validates the jewish conspiracy after denying it

Covid was handled so poorly that it will take decades for the public perception to ever trust vaccines the same way.

>Libtards on Twitter initially saying they would never take the "Trump vaccine"
>It only flipped when conservatives started refusing to take it en masse
>Governments and corporations firing anyone who refused to take it and were putting people on the no fly list for it
>Schools trying to force children to take the vaccine
>Schools putting children in closed room and separating them with fucking acrylic panels
>Covid isn't spread at all during BLM riots
>Treating anyone that didn't take it as some kind of plague rat
>Fact checkers on social media were literally just pfizer employees
>Liberals started treating the mask as a cult and actively protesting against the CDC when they said they didn't have to wear it anymore
>Absolute refusal to acknowledge that any other medications could be effective
>Absolute refusal to acknowledge the clotting caused by the boosters
>Made up symptoms like "long covid"
>The lockdown made zero difference and it didn't save any lives
>And finally, every single person that took the vaccine and boosters still got covid. It factually did not prevent transmission and there is no evidence to suggest it lessened symptoms

>>16745586 (OP)
No, the government and pharmaceutical companies not being clearly corrupt could. Politicians are not even trying to keep up appearances anymore, even the kings of old at least pretended to give a shit about their subjects. It doesn't matter whether the vaccines were safe or not, the trust was lost long before that. The boy cried wolf too many times.

>>16745687
It factually did not prevent transmission and there is no evidence to suggest it lessened symptoms
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8862168/
Some people really do just write whatever they want to

>>16745705
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8862168/
>2022
>All jeets
>Just interpreting the results of other propaganda studies funded by Pfizer and Moderna
Thank you for proving my point on why no one trusts this shit

>>16745714
>all le studies that argue against me are propaganda
>doesn't even know what a fucking systematic review is
Peak /sci/ right here

>>16745595
>How could people not interpret all the attempts to censor all vaccine and covid discussion on the internet as anything but suspect?
Not really seeing anything suspect about basic content moderation policies being enforced.

Vitamin B cures cancer tier nonsense is dangerous if listened to and pointless to have around. People like that consider playing with lives remotely a joke and aren't all that different morally from someone that hands someone a cup of poison and tells them it's soda. It doesn't matter if you don't control other people's behavior if you feed them false information that they hurt themselves acting on.

Actual facts in 2020:
Only one mrna vaccine has ever been publicly released and only to about 20k people, making the technology suspect
Only very old or very unhealthy people die of covid. Its like the flu but better, because kids die from the flu
Covid is a coronavirus, which has been joked about for 70 years at this point the reason why you can't vaccinate against the cold
No one even knows if they have covid because supposedly 4/5 of the population think they have the sniffles

Tell me, scientifically, exactly why you did fall for the propaganda

>>16745729
>People like that consider playing with lives remotely a joke and aren't all that different morally from someone that hands someone a cup of poison and tells them it's soda.
Right and the "content moderators" and political actors were also playing with everyone's lives remotely. While frequently and blatantly exempting themselves from their own games. A crank pushing vitamin supplements with no institutional authority is much, much less problematic than spreading lies from a position of power. I mean, those aren't even comparable evils.

>>16745737
>Right and the "content moderators" and political actors were also playing with everyone's lives remotely.
I didn't say only randos participated in COVID disinformation. Plenty of people in positions of power and authority did too. Like that nutbag group, America's Frontline Doctors, saying masks and social distancing were bad and then getting retweeted by Trump and a bunch of other far right folks.
>much, much less problematic than spreading lies from a position of power
Agreed. People that deliberately spread lies from a position of power should be silenced.

>>16745754
I didn't pay much attention to any of the daily tedium after the first month or so, so I don't know that specific bag of nuts.
>People that deliberately spread lies from a position of power should be silenced.
How? That would be literally everyone who's ever been in power. And if they can be silenced, they're not in power. Silencing only ever punches down.

>>16745762
>And if they can be silenced, they're not in power.
Nobody has a monopoly on soap boxes. It's perfectly possible to kick people off shit they don't own to reduce their reach.

>>16745769
If your soap box is big enough that you can meaningfully reduce someone's reach by kicking them off, you're the one punching down.

>>16745777
Hard disagree. Centralized information sources aren't as much of a thing anymore. Any removal from a major platform of someone's message impacts their ability to reach people. It doesn't eliminate it, but it does damage.

And if a message is actually false and dangerous, it won't just be a single platform eliminating it anyway.

Hell, you should agree with me. You said you don't remember hearing bullshit spouted by the president of the united states. That that's even possible speaks to how limited people's reach is nowadays. Nothing reaches everyone.

If governments and the medical industry wanted to improve the reputation of vaccines, the worst thing they could have done is shove an experimental, largely untested vaccine down our throats, threaten legal, social and financial consequences for those who don't take it, insist there will be no medical consequences to taking it and then try to silence all the people who suffer medical consequences from taking it

Being antivax was largely a fringe thing before Covid, now it's almost mainstream

>>16745784
You didn't disagree, you qualified that individual nodes of power can be used in coordination to silence someone in a way that no single node by itself could. That's still punching down. If you beat up Mike Tyson by attacking him with a gang of 100 people, you're the one with the systemic power and you're the one punching down.
>if a message is actually false and dangerous
This can only be proclaimed by those in power, thus will always be abused by the most dangerous liars.

>>16745785
>If governments and the medical industry wanted to improve the reputation of vaccines, they should have let millions die while they pandered to people that won't admit their doomposting about vaccines was wrong even when this shit has been in widespread use without supercancer, microchip mind control, superAIDS, and complete infertility being everywhere for 5 fucking years.
No. Fuck you tinfoil nutbags pretending you have legitimate concerns. Governments and the medical industry should have given zero fucks about the reputation of vaccines, forcibly vaccinated everyone without a medical issue that would prevent that, and violently suppressed anyone that resisted.

I'm sick and tired of people pretending the book burners and science deniers just need earnest outreach and hard data. What you need is to be treated like a wild animal and be bagged, jabbed, and put back where you were found, or preferably away from human settlements.

>>16745791
>That's still punching down
Yes. And? I do not care? Messaging power imbalances will always exist. I'd rather they do good than bad.
>This can only be proclaimed by those in power, thus will always be abused by the most dangerous liars.
Yes. And? You've already conceded nothing can change that. Power can be abused is a non-factor in discussions of how power should be wielded.

As you've already pointed out, the only thing that can suppress abuses of power is more power. And that power could be abused, which would mean you need more power to suppress it. That's not a problem with a solution and even bothering to worry about it is an exercise in futility.

>>16745792
NTA but any person or group of people with the power to do that are equally as insane and incomparably more dangerous than whoever was evangelizing any of that hysteria.

>>16745794
>I'd rather they do good than bad
You don't have that option.

>>16745729
>basic content moderation policies being enforced.
No it was a blanket censorship of anything involving covid, vlogs about lockdowns, literally everything; not just conspiracy stuff. You could not using anything related to covid even tangentually in the titles on youtube.

>>16745792
>they should have let millions die
Millions weren't dying from Covid before the vaccine, millions weren't dying from Covid after the vaccine, millions aren't dying now that Covid has become endemic

You've fallen hook, line and sinker for the doomposting and mass hysteria

I was worried about Covid at first, but I relaxed after seeing it was a nothingburger, as you should have

I'm not even antivax, most vaccines are legitimate and beneficial and people who refuse to take them because they think they cause autism or whatever are dumb, it's just the mRNA vaccines I don't like: never taken one, never will

You immediately jumping down my throat and comparing me to a wild animal and saying I should be sent to live in exile from human society clearly shows that your opinions on forced vaccination don't come out of a concern for your fellow man, as you apparently don't even consider someone human if they have a different viewpoint on a controversial issue

tl;dr: No u

>>16745800
7 million people have died of COVID dipshit.

>>16745795
>NTA but any person or group of people with the power to do that are equally as insane and incomparably more dangerous than whoever was evangelizing any of that hysteria.
Yes. And? You really struggle with the idea that power exists, huh?

>>16745797
>You don't have that option.
Yes, I am aware I don't control people in power, thanks. Neither do you. Glad we sorted that shit out. I'm still allowed to have opinions about them just like you're still allowed to have wrong opinions about them.

>>16745799
They didn't censor enough if anything. Too many dipshits running around nowadays.

>>16745800
>I'm not even antivax, most vaccines are legitimate and beneficial and people who refuse to take them because they think they cause autism or whatever are dumb, it's just the mRNA vaccines I don't like: never taken one, never will
I don't really care which imaginary line you draw based on your mental illness. It's all the same anti-science bullshit to me.

>>16745804
But how many would have died of the flu or pneumonia if we still counted them?

>>16745800
>I'm not even antivax, most vaccines are legitimate and beneficial and people who refuse to take them because they think they cause autism or whatever are dumb, it's just the mRNA vaccines I don't like: never taken one, never will
Same energy as "actually it's ephebophilia" dipshits.

>>16745807
Take a look, everyone: when people talk about the "cult of scientism", this is exactly who they're talking about

>>16745808
I'm not here to humor your mental illness. Life expectancy doesn't fall in response to fake diseases.
>>16745811
You're real familiar with cults, aren't you?

>>16745809
>you're able to distinguish between different types of vaccine? you must be a pedophile, then

Pretty lame attempt at shilling, whatever they're paying you it's clearly too much

>>16745812
If only a massive denial of care didn't happen at the same time.

But at least all the doctors and nurses got to release hilarious tiktok memes.

Why are vax threads always so tribalistic
Fucking get along dipshits
Vaxxies and anti vaxxies should just kiss already

>>16745807
>Yes. And? You really struggle with the idea that power exists, huh?
>Yes, I am aware I don't control people in power, thanks. Neither do you. Glad we sorted that shit out. I'm still allowed to have opinions about them just like you're still allowed to have wrong opinions about them.
I agree that the sort of fascism or monarchy or whatever it is you're advocating for is a better form of government if you get the right leader. The tradeoff is that it's a lot harder to change leaders if you don't. Your "opinion" is betting your house on a power ball jackpot. Just completely silly and both mathematically and sociologically naive. But yes, you're free to have whatever silly opinion you want, unless your opinion comes true.

>>16745586 (OP)
Why would you want to prevent justified reciprocity? The CDC injured this man. He seized recompense.

>>16745840
I agree with you brother. But that idea is dead about 400 years ago. All we can do at this point is make s fool of the government and hope they don't murder us for it.

I was labeled a traitor for exposing what Snowden lazily "admitted" a decade later.

>>16745819
Never forget that one side urged you to read the papers and respect the idea of science

And the other side wanted you to get injected with experimental juice for the fun of it.

>>16745858
>muh sides
The elites are the problem and they should be eliminated
Drawing tribalistic lines so people are distracted as they censor and clamp down on our rights is a part of their plan
All you're doing here is advancing their plan, faggot.

>>16745863
Yeah I'm the problem. Have fun faggot I'll never contribute to this world because of people like you.

>>16745864
Yeah you are the problem because you're being a faggot and not doing anything about the core issue (the jewish elites) and instead bicker with your fellow man over constructed psyops like convid that are used to distract you while the world slowly becomes a dystopian hellscape
>I'll never contribute to this world because of people like you
You really are a faggot aren't ya

>>16745813
I wasn't calling you a pedophile at all. I was saying you were coping like a motherfucker. Although you reading that as interpreting me calling you a pedophile makes me think you get called a pedophile a lot.

>>16745815
>If only a massive denial of care didn't happen at the same time.
Weird, I remember hospitals being flooded to the point that they were sticking patients anywhere they could get beds.

>muh sign
Holy shit, a hospital wanting to control the spread of disease by insisting sick people stay home! I haven't seen that since every time I have ever gone in for a regular appointment or test or when I was quarantined at home for whooping cough.

>>16745824
I'm not advocating for replacing the government, lunatic. Most I've called for in this thread is mandatory vaccines and social media companies enforcing their terms of service.

If that's your idea of fascism, you need to talk to a psychiatrist or a political scientist.

Then I've got nothing but drawn out meaningless bitching about the nature of power dynamics in return. Yeah, I get it, we live in a society. Quit acting like asymmetrical power dynamics existing means fuck all. I get it, people having the power to do good also means they have the power to do evil. That's not a new or helpful observation. Nor is it limited to the upper levels of society.

>>16745858
>And the other side wanted you to get injected with experimental juice for the fun of it.
Bleach isn't experimental.

>>16745876
Weird. I remember the exact oppsite and just posted proof of it.

>>16745855
I definitely agree the government holds the power here but they don't hold the ethics or the morality. I will never blame another man for seizing what is his by right regardless of the powers that be.

>>16745879
More power to you and your genitisics friends.

I'll continue to try to convince the regular public that people like you should be publicly executed.

>>16745586 (OP)
The most fucked part was when employers started mandating it in anticipation of a government mandate that never actually happened.
A lot of people got the vaccine out of fear of losing their job not because of accurate/inaccurate vaccine messaging.
It was an act of plausibly deniable tyranny on the part of the government to tease looming mandates.
The plausibly deniable part is that they never actually mandated it so any criticism of mandating it is dodged.
It was also an act of tyranny for employers to preemptively cave to yet-to-exist mandates. You would think some big businesses would have their teams of lawyers ready to challenge mandates and fight the fight on behalf of employees but that never happened.
It would only have required one win by anyone for the burden to be lifted for everyone.
Maybe the teams did exist but they couldn't actually fight the fight and put everyone else at ease unless the mandate was implemented (they would be dismissed for lack of standing).
At the very least there should have been stubborn employers demanding delayed enforcement from the time of mandate implementation for the sake of legal challenges then committing to not imposing mandates on employees until the dust is settled.

There needs to be a way to challenge the legality of laws/orders before they are implemented and cause specific harm.
What happened was whatever the equivalent of market manipulation is for the legal profession.

>>16745877
>Weird. I remember the exact opposite
That's your covid brain fog.

>>16745876
This post wasn't a reply to me but it's clearly your post, posted concurrently.
>Governments and the medical industry should have
>forcibly vaccinated everyone without a medical issue
>violently suppressed anyone that resisted
>treated [population] like a wild animal and be bagged, jabbed, and put back where you were found, or preferably away from human settlements.
If you don't see this as advocating for some dramatically more fascist or monarchic form of government than the one we have, you're the one who needs your head checked.

>>16745863
you can't eliminate the elites. and even if, there'd be a power vacuum which would promptly be filled by the very next psychos waiting in line. it's not like there's a shortage of them, they are many. and the environment favors them. you'd be going against nature itself...basically

>>16745982
Mandatory vaccinations have already been a thing under our current government as far back as the early 1800s and resisting government agents is met with force under every government. Nothing I advocated for was remotely fascistic. In fact, historically if you refused a vaccine you were just forcibly quarantined indefinitely instead of just getting jabbed and sent on your way. I was being merciful compared with that fucking nonsense.

That wasn't me being fascistic. That was me being reasonable and perfectly in line with historic practices which themselves predate fascism.

Dipshits like you not having the first clue about public health need to shut the fuck up and read a fucking book.

>>16745995
If your cartoon summary of history and legal precedent were close enough to reality, you wouldn't be fantasizing about an alternate reality with extra violence.

>>16745586 (OP)
What like? specifying the names and addresses of key parties involved in the who/cdc/vax scam?

>>16745879
natural law trumps all man made law, fuck around and find out

ITT, aloof authoritarians and science worshipers demonstrating why the medical system is distrusted and their complete inability to conceptualize why they're the cause.

>>16745995
>Mandatory vaccinations have already been a thing under our current government as far back as the early 1800s
Why do you just make shit up?

The first mandatory vaccination in American history happened in 1777 when George Washington ordered everyone in the Continental Army to be vaccinated against smallpox.

You are stupid as shit.

>>16746129
>George Washington had slaves he inherited and bought so it's totally normal and legal to kidnap random people off the street today and keep them as slaves
Great argument.

>>16745726

>>16746174
The lesson is that if you're going to fuck over the public, you must do it on a large enough scale that the majority can't speak out against what happened without admitting they were part of enabling it. Many don't want to admit they were so easily fooled, while others don't want to admit how easily they became part of the mobs that all their lives they looked down upon when reading about similar mobs from history.

>>16745586 (OP)
Also remember the bullshit checklist of risk factors they were using to prioritize administration of monoclonal antibodies.
Just being nonwhite somehow counted as the same risk as being 65+.
They were using the monoclonal triage as a vehicle for reverse racism.
I forgot how much hatred/contempt I had buried. My faith in the medical field went below zero at that point. Bunch of retards/cowards with zero instinct to detect faulty orders from above. The white coats just let me know who the sheep are now.

>>16745586 (OP)
the vaccine exposed him

>>16746235
oy vey

>>16746129
Technically that was an innoculation and not the general population. First was in Massachusetts in 1810.

>>16746146
I missed the war over ending vaccine mandates.

>>16746043
I dont care that you distrust science. I care that people in power give 2 shits about your mental illness.

>>16746256
You missed a lot of things.

>>16745705
>>16745714
>>16745726
>peak /sci/

Surely peak /sci/ is maximally lying about what your sources claim and hoping nobody reads them?

I think it’s well understood that vaccines of pretty much every type were incredibly effective at reducing incidents of severe infection and death.

It’s also well understood that they didn’t prevent transmission and had less effect of cohorts that were not likely to have severe infections or die.

I think there’s plenty to critique about the over eagerness to claim the vaccines were “sterilizing” or incorrectly assuming “herd immunity” thresholds. But don’t fucking lie and say they didn’t save lives and keep people out of hospitals.

>>16745819
Viruses are just so alien humans don’t know how to deal with them socially. People want to believe that it’s something you can control, socially, technologically and even emotionally. As if you can defeat a pandemic by refusing to let it change your way of life. Like it’s a political threat or something.

There was nothing to be done. The vaccines prevented most deaths but did not prevent transmission. It was insanely contagious and could spread even out doors through air. It most severely affected older populations while leaving young people mostly unharmed. Just total chaos because it’s a truly inhuman challenge that can’t even be anthropomorphized.

We’re lucky it wasn’t really “the big one.” Frankly if it had not originated in China where the government made a big deal out of it for mostly geopolitical reasons it would have not mattered at all. 0 chance if it started in Fredrick, Maryland there would have been any lockdowns. It would have just been a bad flu season and the fact it was a novel kind of coronavirus would be trivia.

>>16746227
>as a vehicle for reverse racism
You mean like the reserve racism leading to reverse unemployment for some people and reverse job offers with reverse salaries and reverse benefits for other people based on their race? You'd expect there to be a lot more reverse violence and other reverse crimes committed by these reverse victims of racial profiling. Whoever convinced normal people to talk this must have been some sort of political genius.

>>16746279
>reverse violence and other reverse crimes
Unnecessary. Unproductive. That is how savages "fix" things.
Go glowpost elsewhere.

>>16745602
basedpilled my kekistani bro literally two more weeks until september, the vaxxers mass die off will become noticeable

>>16746307
You interpreted that as an incitement to violence rather than an obvious abuse of the reverse qualifier for linguistic effect? What's wrong with your brain

Yeadon the former Pfizer exec now says viruses don't actually exist

>>16746316
Are you double boosted this year? Do you actually understand the science that says you need to be boosted twice s year? Read the science

>>16745586 (OP)
All we need to do is control what people can read, hear, and say.
If the cattle can't talk to each other, and they can't receive unapproved messages, they will fall in line. It's that simple.

>>16746317
>What's wrong with your brain
Too much minecraft. Your rhetoric should be disregarded entirely. You aren't clever.
t. microviolinist

>>16746417
What rhetoric. I just played the microviolin for two sentences on behalf of random white people I don't care about

>>16746420
Cursed poster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homotopy_analysis_method

>>16746424
Childless poster
>https://groupprops.subwiki.org/wiki/Centerless_group

>>16746361
hell yeah my patriot brother I am fully trumpvaxxed plus as many boosters as the stripes on the flag god bless

>>16746441
>trumpanzees hate vaccines
>trumpanzees love vaccines
Has there ever been a political thing like this where the cable TV news successfully made both sides of their cable TV news zombies blame the same politician for both sides of a cable TV news pro wrestling match? Maybe when Biden got blamed for being both too pro Israel and too anti Israel?

>>16745586 (OP)
why should I as a healthy young person be pressured to take a 99% safe vaccine when I had covid 5 times and literally just a cold each time?

>>16746478
If they believe covid actually exists... You know what this is performative.


If you aren't willing to take a COVID juice today you are a performative shill. It doesn't matter that COVID juice has been deemed ineffective and unsafe. It has zero ideas about why they lied to you.

I just want to see a bunch of liberals pay 100 dollars to get the covid vaccine in 2025.

All of this was war gamed over and over again and they still managed to fuck it up. There are people at the CDC who do nothing but come up with different public health crisis scenarios and how to handle them. And yet they still fucked it up.
I'm not going to blame the CDC entirely. There were lots of other players influencing things but the CDC went along with them instead of sticking to the researched script that was meant to keep decision making errors in the heat of the crisis to a minimum. Some of the reason was that they were scared of being wrong with too light of a response even if their data was showing that the light response was appropriate. Some of it was scared of drawing the ire of political forces but that's why they're suppose to be outside of the political system. And some of it was the volunteer firefighter effect, where they'd trained for something so much that they wanted a chance to show off their skills, even if it meant starting a fire for them to fight.
None of the players want there to be a deep investigation into what went wrong. It's better for them if everyone pretends things went as they should and everyone gets pats on the back instead of consequences for their misdeeds and mistakes.

>>16746505
Asking someone to pay a premium for a vaccine that doesn't give you a special freedom of movement isn't the same as asking someone to pay a premium for one that does.

>>16746507
Kobayashi Maru wasn't war gamed at the CDC. No one at the CDC came up with a protocol to devalue and override everyone's superior administrator until none were left. War gaming is nonsense if it isn't actually a war.

>>16746516
It is a war, a war against the population by a small clique of psychopaths

>>16746526
Doubt. You can count the number of psychopaths who care about you on one or fewer fingers. And the one you know is in no position to declare war on the population.

>>16746531
This bizarre statement has zero bearing on what was said.

>>16746536
Do you know many psychopaths that don't know you?

>>16746261
>Studies by the people who pushed vaccines found that the vaccines were highly effective.

>>16746555
Why are you even arguing with him. Just challenge him to get vaccinated today.

They all know it's poison.

>>16745604
lowest iq post I have read in awhile. Kys.

>>16745792
You should be boosted to death. Fuck any and everything you stand for you idiot. And I work in purifying RNA for drug research too. Don't post on a science board anymore. Go make a /scientism/ board asswipe.

>>16745807
Everyone like you belongs in a slave camp. Your psychopathic bootlicking ass has no place in a civilized society. They think of you as the virus, and in your case they are correct. Fuck you

>>16745807
You don't actually know what the word science means. To you science is anything your masters tell you to think through the TV. You have demonstrated that you are totally incapable of thinking your own thoughts. This is very sad. Perhaps there is a vaccine out there for it. But I think the only one is lead. Try another forced injection and you and those like you will die. And you will deserve it. You will be written about in history books as the hysterical psycho scum that you are. Hiding behind a field you have zero to do with. Real scientists know better than you. Again, KYS.

We urgently need covert moral enhancement.
Too many retarded CHUDS acting uppity and spoiling life for the rest of us.

>>16746599
>>16746601
>>16746603
I love that I get accused of being called a fascist by people like this.

That's the difference between you and me. I want you healthy. You want me dead or in a camp.

>>16746679
That's because nowadays people are stuck in their echo-chambers and chimp out whenever someone holds an opinion that isn't theirs
Anti-vaxxers will say they want people to be healthy and that they want big pharma to pay but then they will turn around and make fun of and wish death upon the "victims" of the vaccine. Look at any vax thread on pol and you'll get what I mean.
That's not to say Pro-vaxxers aren't tribalistic either (considering you want people to be vaccinated by force, which doesn't really make you much better, sorry), they exist yes, but they're the loud minority.
Tl;dr is that the world fucking sucks now and everyone is retarded and animalistic

>>16746688
>Tl;dr is that the world fucking sucks now and everyone is retarded and animalistic
and that people are unable to think logically and critically nowadays because they get clouded by their emotions

It’s not the first or the last time that the government makes people do things in times of crisis. Yeah you could lose your job and get made fun of but at least you couldn’t be jailed or boarded in your home like in China, you had a choice and I know people who refused to get the vaccine and left their job because of it. In Russia, they actively criminalized and jailed people for misinfo, it’s a serious offense. The US tried controlling discourse through company engagement on social media platforms.

>>16746679
I really doubt any of the people in your life would be calling you a fascist if you weren't going around saying fashy things. So maybe two things can be true?

>>16746679
>I'm not a fascist, I'm just killing all the brown people because I want you to be safe

>>16746872
excluding people not from your natural group is the main theme of human history.

>>16746700
>couldn’t be jailed or boarded in your home
The exact opposite. You could be forcibly removed from your home by the police because losing your job meant you were unable to make your mortgage and property tax payments. Eventually you could be jailed for vagrancy for being homeless. All because you "freely chose" to not take the government injections.

>>16746874
Rape and not wiping your ass after you take a shit are even mainer than that. Could probably fill a book with better examples than yours

>>16745586 (OP)
Just read this.
Spoiler: Jonas Salk literally says, as in LITERALLY SAYS, vaccines should be used to control the population and fertility rates.

>>16746846
People like you aren't in my life, fascist.

>>16746872
Vaccinating brown people doesn't kill them, nutbag.

>>16746688
Radicalism isn't tribalism. I dont want antivaxxers forcibly vaccinated cause they are different from me. I want antivaxxers forcibly vaccinated because they're the ones not getting vaccinated. If there's someone pro-vax that's deathly afraid of needles and avoiding getting jabbed cause of that, they should be forcibly vaccinated to.

>>16746876
I don't get your point? All societies throughout history exclude outsiders, otherwise they wouldn't exist.

>>16746879
I'm in your life right now, fascist. And yes, the argument "I'm not a fascist, I just want to violate your body to make you healthy" isn't any different from saying you just want to put all Japanese citizens in concentration camps during WWII for their own safety and for the safety of everyone else. You are very much a fascist.

>>16746881
That it's not a main theme.

>>16746879
There are literally more gun deaths per week in Chicago public housing than there are COVID deaths. Should we capture and lobotomize or chemically castrate or forcibly estrogenize everyone in public housing for their own safety? You're sick in the head lol.

>>16746879
Guess what?
Try it.
kek

>>16746894
He's a very weak man, as in physically weak.
He sits behind a computer and supports OTHER men, usually strong men he admires (but will never admit) physically dominating you because he can't.
He lives in a vicarious dream world where he "imposes" his will, but he can't actually do it, so the fantasy is abstract involving "force" that he of course never initiates or participates in.

It's one of the most pathetic things ever.
This guy would never, could never, wouldn't even try to do this himself. He can't.
He can't do anything. He won't stand up to anything.
So he dreams, at home, in his basement, that someone will do it for him.
But that' still not it exactly. It's that fucked up.

He's childless for sure.

>>16746888
How is the idea of social exclusion not the main theme of human social history?

>>16746879
>afraid of needles
It was funny how that meme got rolled out.
Normie firmware update strawmanning opposition in order to blind and threaten normies into compliance.
It blinds by making the normie not see the true opposition arguments by priming them to think it is some irrational cowardice.
It threatens by implying the normie will also be labelled an irrational coward if they deviate.

>>16746908
I know someone who literally tried to use that one on me.

>>16746911
I guess a third component is it deputized normies by appealing to the do-gooderness or lust for power in them.
Sorry that happened anon. Do not let it negative-ize you.
They know not what they do.

>>16746902
Because there are a million other themes that run at least as deep and at least as long. Do you know what a main theme is?

>>16746917
Also making them participants, even on a small scale, makes them complicit, so they won't later demand consequences when the hysteria has passed and the deception easily seen.

>le fascists were evil people who wanted to kill for fun
>I'm not them, I'm about the Greater Good.
You know that most of the very worst medical crimes were committed by good men who cared deeply about public health, right?

>>16746938
>good men
>nazi
A contradiction. Opinion discarded.

>>16746960
I feel like you're making the same point he is while pretending not to. But I'm not a mind reader so...

>>16745604
based retard

>>16745586 (OP)

>>16745800
>I'm not even antivax, most vaccines are legitimate and beneficial and people who refuse
Opinion discarded. Die with the rest, you weak herd animal.

>I-I-I
>I'm not even [socially unacceptable thing]
>I just...
>I...
>I just think maybe...
>Uhhh...

Fucking weak shitpile cattle. I can feel how weak and filthy you are through the screen.

>>16746878
Why don't you post an excerpt then? Screenshot the page and write page numbers, fucking retard? How stupid are you? Can't you do anything right on your own? Why should I have to do everything for you cocksuckers?

The world is all made up. This is all bullshit. Kill yourself. I'll attack people "on my side" all the same. This is fucking unacceptable. What are you even thinking you stupid fuck?

>>16747050
I'm on another machine or I would. I have been doing this for years. For probably ten years I've had full threads with 8-10 excerpts and then still a guy like you pops and makes this same general comment with some criticism that really is just a defense mechanism because he took the vaccine.

The top Jew in charge says he's going to cut you down with vaccines.

Some people read and will find the book. You can't do it all, all the time sonny. Got three kids.

>>16747056
No fuckhead, I'VE been doing this for over 10 years. Do you know how much work and how many dead ends I've run into because of people who don't source their shit or even say where the heard it to begin with? And then a bunch of retards parrot it and also don't source it?

>Some people read and will find the book. You can't do it all, all the time sonny. Got three kids.
I've got zero. You FUCKS
ARE NOT
MY PROBLEM

I HAVE EVEN LESS REASON TO DO THE WORK THAN YOU DO
DUMBASS.

>>16747056
Fuck you too, buddy. Thanks for nothin'.

I know I'm the main character but this is just ridiculous. The opposition is so far beyond disorganized and pathetic.

>>16747065
Nah, I'm basically the entire reason for popularization of this book.
I was in contact with Jay Dyer about ahead of him reviewing in on his podcast years ago.

I have, on my other machine, highlighted and physically scanned portions from the physical copy on my shelf right now.

See here, yourself, >>16747072 now posting BECAUSE of me. These things work in many ways.
I am now getting exactly what I want and need, as are you maybe...by doing it just how I did it.
You take low hanging fruit and posting the book is better than not posting the book and I don't have the option of doing all that you request at the moment sir.

Between posts I fed three kiddos and now I'll head to feed the koi.

>>16747084
>I am now getting exactly what I want and need, as are you maybe...by doing it just how I did it.
On reading more of the book I realized I already had it. So it is quite fortunate I can deny you this satisfaction. You are here for my use, not the other way around.

>>16746894
No, there aren't. And we have a legal system to punish crimes.

>>16746885
No you aren't. And making someone take their medicine isn't fascism. It's parenting. You thinking your mom and dad were fascists would explain some of your mental illness though.

>>16747025
No, they were different points. Arguing well-meaning people commit atrocities in furtherance of utilitarian goals isn't the same thing as arguing people that commit atrocities are not well-meaning, which they were not.

Hell, even if you wanted to argue the history's bastards were pretextually using utilitarian arguments, you would be wrong because they fucking weren't.

As an example, United 731 was doing fucking bioweapons research, not trying to cure cancer.

>>16747102
>No, there aren't.
You can't just make shit up when you don't like the truth. Yes, there are.
>And we have a legal system to punish crimes.
So? What does that have to do with public safety?
>making someone take their medicine isn't fascism. It's parenting.
Your neighbors and the rest of the world aren't your children. Holy fuck you're deranged.

>>16747102
One thing I think I actually agree with "the right" on is that public officials who think it's their right to forcibly parent other parents' children should be lynched by the children's real parents. I'd also argue that this is quite clearly the antifascist position.

>>16747086
>feels the need to rebut
Cringe.

>>16747130
I don't feel any such need. Don't try your NLP Ericksonian bullshit on me you internet trained plantation animal. May your balls be crushed into a paste and a bullet put through your head.

>>16746921
You are talking utter nonsense to avoid seeming like you might need to concede.

>>16747136
I get it, you have a special pet rock you like to play with. To people who aren't you, it looks like every other rock in the quarry.

>>16747135
Post more Salk pages you blithering moron.
You've proved that it's you that is in position to do so. Now lashing out given the hypocrisy has been laid so bare.

Salk makes a great case for killing all the idiots in that book. Any real open minded person should have a look.

>>16747135
Lol. I'm neither of you but this is what I mean about who cares what a couple conspiracy freaks say on the internet. It has no compulsory power. But presumably both of these werewolves would be banned for speech violations even though Bush, Obama, Trump, you name it, all can speak their death propaganda wherever they like (with the exception of Trump for a couple years, maybe).

>>16747146
No. And it'd an unfortunate relief if you'd just die, also. Your life, your problem.

>>16747157
See above.

>>16747159
What's an unfortunate relief. You sound like a deconstructionist college faggot who needs his brains squeezed out of his ears and I could do that for you

>>16747164
This is the information I need. I gave when I should have been taking. I spoke when I should have listened to the nature of what was speaking to.

You are entitled. You were manufactured to be livestock and prey, it is true, but that's not my problem. You are pure scum, trying to suckle at the tit like an overgrown infant. You get what you deserve, and that's nothing.

>>16747167
Nah, you're not this guy >>16747135 fuck off imposter

>>16747171
please don't do the inspect element ritual either

>>16747172
That's the quickest I've ever slayed a queen

>>16747171
Here's an additional "fuck you". There's nothing new here. It's just the same Malthusian "le population bomb", technocratic shit that characterized that era. What could I possibly to some stupid animal that can't even google immunocontraception.

>>16747173
You've never slayed anything. you're a useless fuck trying to manipulate other people into doing work for you.

>>16747167
Look.
Did you take the vaccine?

>>16747176
No.

>>16747114
>Your neighbors and the rest of the world aren't your children.
Then stop acting like it.

>>16747127
Nah, treating children as the property of the parents is the fascist position.

>>16747179
>Then stop acting like it.
Another lie. Those are your own words, not mine.
>treating children as the property of the parents is the fascist position
Lol what. I've got a couple hours. Feel free to spin your shit

>>16747174
Just follow the thread, you got bagged lol.

>>16747186
Let me guess. Is it going to be a "property of" word game? Deranged fascist.

>>16747188
That doesn't even make any sense. Who does this shit? You might as well be another species.

I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. I know what you THINK you're saying, but it doesn't make shit for sense. You're a retard. I despise the weak.

>>16747190
Why do you despise the weak? That's a pretty odd nonseq considering the material you've been "warning" against.

>>16747189
I genuinely can't tell if your being ignorant or deliberately disingenuous, but either way, I wasn't playing word games.

Beyond that, I dont understand we stand why you would defend people that treat their children as their property by claiming they aren't being fascistic.

You're a sick fuck.

>>16747193
It's how I was raised, it's that simple. Even if a small number of powerful people are the true origin and cause of their behavior, 99% of the irritation and abuse I've received has been from the everyday normie. It's like their entire purpose is to vampirize you, waste your time, waste your energy, ATTEMPT to stab the knife in when it counts, and just plain piss you off to the point where you would prefer to kill them yourself. Even knowing this I am still nearly beyond the point where I can counterbalance or dissociate from it You are truly empty, wicked, vicious, entitled, filthy, miserable creatures.

If I'm being generous I would turn it back inward and say you are stray dogs and a reflection of my refusal and inability to sustain leadership behaviors. But that's another matter entirely.

>>16747186
Yes, in my words antivaxxers are acting like children and should be treated accordingly.

You are free to throw a fit like a child, but that's your reality and bitching won't change it.

>>16747201
Try it buddy. If that's wat it comes down to I'll make sure you're taken out of the equation first.

>>16747201
And that's fine and all but I see you as a child.

The covid vaccine is still available. Your insurance doesn't want to pay for it. But you can go get it.

Inject yourself in 2025 with the COVID vaccine.

>>16747198
You're a sick fuck who thinks other people's children are your children. And I must have poked a hole right into the heart of your word game because you fell down right there, just like I predicted.
>>16747201
Yes, I get that you want to claim parental "property" rights on children who you aren't yours. You're a fascist and you're sick in the head.

itt
sick fucks

>>16747216
Yes. The deranged CHUDS who need to get over themselves and obey their master (me).

>>16747216
the circumcised*

>>16747200
Yeah, yeah, I get that. But your contribution to this thread is a book that you are advertising as bad because it agrees with you. You're literally pointing out that a book agrees with you and saying the agreement is a bad thing. You're either playing a game or you're a complete idiot.

>>16747234
You're not listening to me (shock!). My contribution to this one latest thread after starting in 2010 is to tell you that I ahte you and want you to die. Do you understand this, do you need more help? Do you get that I wasn't popped into existence 10 minutes ago for the sole purpose of engaging with you? Is it starting to dawn on you that you and shitpiles like you made your own bed, and now have to lay in it? Do you understand I don't need you, I don't care about you, and you're entitled to my help?

That's my contribution. I await your retarded deflecting response. You people are so predictable. You're like a little bug crawling on my screen.

>>16747236
I haven't because I don't want to know and don't care, but I assume I could google "shitpiles" and find you. Because it's not a very common portmanteau but you use it like a crackhead. I don't care. Why are you advertising a book that you claim advocates for fewer plebes while taking both sides of the issue you're advertising?

>>16747249
You forfeit the right to ask questions long ago. Good luck and enjoy whatever fate awaits.

>>16747250
Dumb book shill. I hope the carpenter bees in your attic eat your face

>>16747253
Stay up to date on your vaccines, would you kindly.

>>16747254
Your book recommendation speaks for itself.

>>16747262
I didn't recommend any book, you stupid prick. Try to follow along.

>>16747263
>>16746878

>>16747266
As repeatedly implied by my replies, that ISN'T ME. I went and downloaded the book because that fucking retard couldn't even bother to properly cite in the book he supposedly read. I just ctrl+f'd "population" and skimmed it.

Complain to him. Mr wife and three kids so I can't do shit right. I guess I don't blame him, your life your problem. What more do the stupid cattle deserve after wasting your time for the millionth time.

>>16747266
Maybe you should read an actual math book. For some reason 4chan won't let me post the link. But MIT has a very good free textbook about linear algebra bb

>>16747271
Die.

>>16747273
We all will. Why are you so mad?

>>16747274
You will have even less than nothing. You have taken from me, and I'll rip the ROI out of you tenfold. If you run out of milk I'll take the blood and flesh.

>>16747275
I'm pretty sure I killed a dude by running him off the road and the army acknowledges my other two kills.

But tell me more about blood and flesh

510 sappers

Guys, I think we're losing sight of the real issue.
I am a superior specimen and all cattle should bow. You exist as a means to my ends.
This isn't fascism, by the way. I know because I'm a good person, and fascists are bad people. So, by definition I can't be a fascist. QED.

>>16747269
I know it's socially acceptable all of a sudden to quantify your kids, but no, you're not "cool" just because you have 1 or 3 children, that's what a normal family does in college

>>16747271
Should I read an actual math book? Lol

>>16747277
All my family that were in the Army are dead, what a coincidence. You should just hope they didn't inject or dope you with whatever they did them. My father and his sister died within weeks of each other, one from cancer the other some weird degenerative condition.

I have nothing more to say to you. Your life, your problem.

>>16747283
To be honest probably not. Calculus is mind bending. But if you aren't retarded you took that in highschool.

Linear algebra and diff eq is what modern science is actually based on. It's boring as fuck but necessary.

I never took topology but from what my stoner friends tell me, it opens your mind like calculus.

>>16747286
I have no idea what they injected me with. I was in the army 20 years ago so it's probably different now. But my literal first day in the army they gave me 15 different shits, most in my right ass cheek.

I was a combat engineer and to tell you the truth I had a lot of fun.

>>16746878
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/61301/WHO_HRP_WHO_93.1.pdf?sequence=1

These people are monsters

>>16747289
This would've been the mid 80's for them. And yeah, my father had a lot of stories as well.

>>16747290

>>16745604
>They would steal your money and make you miserable, but they would never fuck with population fertility and jab people with nonsense.

>DEY DO DA BAD TINK
>BUT DEY DON'T DO DA ODAR BAD TINK

>>16747302
Translated, this means that if someone is an asshole in one way, he's probably an asshole in other ways. Eh. I don't really buy it. I would never advocate for anyone to string bill gates and his incontinent ex wife up by their necks, I'd actually advocate against it.

>>16747312
You live in a contrived world of "probability" other people live in a realm of "possibility". The conversation is doomed. All discussion is pointless. These two types are never to meet.

About a week ago I was in the worst Walmart line of my life. The cashier was a performative autistic. And she completely fucked up the guy in front of me order. I'm buying beer so that's the only reason I go to a living breathing cashier. She asked the woman behind me to help her and had to scan all my groceries twice.

When the rating thing popped up it's the only time in my life I ever rated anyone.

Ah...

>>16747319
Is possibility like probability without math? Wow amazing.

>>16747323
No. It's a type of reasoning you don't comprehend on a hardware level. It is totally alien to you. At most all you're capable of (convincing yourself that you do) doing is collapsing down a permutation space to a single output. That's the extent our your ability. Your mind can't do anything more than that. It's designed to do this because it's fast and good enough, and smooths over any gaps so reality feels solid to you.

Never to meet.

>>16746478
excuse me but who are you quoting?

>>16747320
Do you agree with what you say the book says, or do you not agree with what you say the book says? Just relax I literally don't care either way, I'm just curious if you can

Ah yes.... the paradox, the CONFLICT. THE NARRATIVE. THE CHARACTERS, THE EMOTIONS, THE SCRIPT.

And finally...
the sun sets....
on reconfciliation.

At last.

>>16745792
> Governments and the medical industry should have given zero fucks about the reputation of vaccines, forcibly vaccinated everyone without a medical issue that would prevent that, and violently suppressed anyone that resisted.
you sound like a fascist and a nazi

>>16747202
Why do antivaxxers always want to kill their political opposition?

Don't you have a CDC to be shooting up or something?

>>16747203
>And that's fine and all but I see you as a child.
Kay. And? You're irrelevant.

>Inject yourself in 2025 with the COVID vaccine.
My shots are current, thanks.

>>16747213
>You're a sick fuck who thinks other people's children are your children.
To the contrary. I simply think the health of children should be a public imperative. We throw neglectful parents in jail, don't we?

>Yes, I get that you want to claim parental "property" rights on children who you aren't yours.
I genuinely don't understand why you keep defending the position that kids are property. Makes you look psychotic.

>You're a fascist and you're sick in the head.
Stop projecting.

>>16747330
Imagine thinking anything but your objective existence is real.

>>16745792
Tight circumcision energy. Too bad I have to be obscene about it.

>>16747329
I'm quoting the TV. If you think a Trump vaccine is good before January 6, you're a devil killing kids; if you think a Trump vaccine is good after January 6, you're an angel protecting kids.

>>16747337
And you sound like a child that doesn't know shit about jack. Nazis executed people that couldn't take care of themselves. They didn't help them stay healthy.

>>16747322
Can you still post pdfs to 4chan or did they block that feature yet?

>>16747340
>My shots are current, thanks.
If you actually believe in the COVID vaccine, they intentionally wanted(they failed) for the protein factories to die after 180 days.

You never read the science.

>>16747312
Yeah If a guy beats his wife there's a good chance he is a fucking bad person and does other bad shit.

>>16747346
I'm serious, there are plenty of cops you could be suiciding by right now.

Is this board getting raided by sharty schizo retards too?
The last couple dozen posts have felt like nonsense drivel

>>16747342
Is this some sort of weird post accusing me of being a Jew? Cause whether you were being literal or figurative, you were wrong.

>>16747341
Sure, but that disqualifies all politics. I agree but I also agree that you should lynch every politician you don't know and it's not really fair that my opinion is bad even yours is only semibad.

>>16747344
You sound like you would execute people who didn't want to get forcibly vaccinated.

>>16747345
I don't know. Filesize is probably an issue.

https://files.catbox.moe/e0wkki.pdf
https://files.catbox.moe/7g17mp.pdf

>>16747354
I was trying to excuse and humanize your behavior. Turns out you're just filthy, domesticated, cowardly scum.

>>16747350
There's a good chance you're an incel who's gonna kill muzzies somewhere because your posted here. What's a "good chance" and do you really want it in your life?

>>16747359
>There's a good chance you're an incel who's gonna kill muzzies somewhere because your posted here
What a poor analogy.

>>16747355
I consider myself a libertarian. The government is mostly useless. They pass one omnibus bill a year that is six million pages long.

But have you ever actually murdered anyone? I've only killed afghanis. And maybe pakastanis. But it sits with you.

>>16747363
Analogy to what? I'm saying there's a good chance that if you're posting here or on any psuedoanonymized forum, you're more likely to shoot up a mall or a school than someone who isn't posting here. Do you actually disagree with that?

>>16747358
I think the problem with eugenics is who are the proponents of it and the criteria the judge from.
personally I favour removing dysgenic drivors and soft positive eugenics.

It's not a particularly well supported idea because it doesn't allow psychos that accumulate themselves in positions of power to genocide others.

>>16747367
>Do you actually disagree with that?
yes

>>16747367
Did you ever read the uvalde shooters manifesto? He literally spent 5 pages debating about the best underwear.

>>16747367
What a bizarre attempt at reasoning. I don't know what factors have caused you to be this way but I can only pity you.

>>16747368
>he doesn't think he will be the one euthanized because of wrong think eventually
ngmi

>>16747368
The problem with eugenics is e.g. that there will always be more short people than tall people. You can't do a good thing without doing a bad thing.

>>16747374
You are illiterate

>>16747368
>personally I favour removing dysgenic drivors and soft positive eugenics.
I've long since plotted out all the ways to do this. Normie brain will say "take your meds schizo" and are incapable of comprehending, so I will not itemize them here.

>>16747369
On what grounds?
>>16747372
No, and I don't know who that is and I don't care
>>16747373
Why would you pity me for having external factors that make me say what I say? Idiot.

>>16747377
Are you trying to say that arbitrary goals have unintended often counterproductive effects?
because that's part of what soft positive selection does mitigate

>>16747381
Imagine being so wilfully ignorant. You belong in sci

>>16747382
If you allow someone to define whether a goal is good or bad, that's already a moral judgment. Any secondary moral judgment downstream from that is decks on the titanic

>>16747386
The wilful ignorance isn't the worst part, it's the total hollowness and stupidity behind it. They respond offering nothing of their own, like fake people with no mind and no thoughts. They bring nothing to the table and just react to you endlessly.

>>16747386
Imagine not saying anything and thing assigning someone to a group based your own not saying anything. You also belong in /sci/ lol

>>16747390
Did you have a stroke? Are you ok?

>>16747393
Was is the "then -> thing" autocorrect? I'm sorry your ESL brain isn't adapted for that yet, but only in a really sarcastic way

>>16747394
It's funny that Americans think speaking more than one language is somehow le bad.
Top kek

>>16747394

>>16747395
I guarantee I speak more languages than you. I'm also American. Resolve that in your pea brain

>>16747397
How many languages do you speak jit?

>>16745604
>Gullible retard calling others a gullible retard
gg fag

>>16747396
I'm triggered by this bully and will reflexively teach my kids to hate everything he says until he admits he's a grandstanding piece of shit and unchokes his knee off Pluto's neck. I can't breathe.

>>16747398
2 fluently. Child fluently. Which is more than you.

>>16747397
How is that proof of anything?
I dropped out of college when I was 20 on a full academic scholarship. Does that make me retarded or based?

>>16747403
>2
lmao even

>>16747405
There's no world in which you speak 2 languages better than I do. Poseur nerd faggot.

>>16747404
Proof of what? Read the post I replied to and figure out the rest, or don't. Dumb motherfucker

>>16747407
>I am the smartest boy and nobody is better than me

>>16747408
Okay

>>16747411
Go for it. Tell me the 2 languages. Greentext doesn't count as a second language.
>>16747412
Dumb motherfucker lol

>>16747407
>>16747411
Btw I'm not the anon you were arguing with before but the ESL comment always amuses me. Imagine using that as an insult...

>>16747415
Insult? Point to it now or shut up

>ITT
CLAMPED
VACCINATED
CIRCUMCISED

>/sci/
>/science and math/

>>16747414
>Greentext doesn't count as a second language.
funny

>>16745586 (OP)
the current state of science is the reason for this

>>16747427
It's really close to a second language by every professional standard I know of, just doesn't quite apply here lol.

>>16747429
The worst part is that all the people who lied to me are so stupid.

How can anyone trust their doctor now if he recommended 5 years olds get a covid shot?

>>16747414
I used to be able to speak 4 but currently I can confidently say I can speak Greek, English and Bulgarian. Regarding Greek I can read it but I can't write.

>>16747442
You're the one insulting me for no reason. Pick your two best languages. Pick two languages you can really speak where no one in either language would point you out as a stranger.

>>16747446
Lol imagine being the guy making demands on 4chan.

You got trolled lil nigga

>>16747446
>where no one in either language would point you out as a stranger.
Those would have to be Greek and Bulgarian but it's only because I have an accent in English - but I'm more proficient at it than Greek and can write obviously.

>>16747449
But imagine being you the other guy bending the knee just walk away from the screen like nigga close your eyes lmao

>>16747452
Can you talk to people in any dialect of any language where there are other people who also speak that language that way, and where you'd pass, by them, as one of them? I hope there's at least one. Are there two?

>>16747457
Yes I told you - Greek and Bulgarian.

>>16747459
Then why did you insult me by saying 2 was something to be laughed at? I doubt there are more than 3 people here, you, me, probably a lurker, who have 2 languages we can speak natively. Most people are lying.

270 replies probably like 10 ips in total and the first 6 being from the first quarter of the thread
You fags are like children throwing insults at each other all day on 4chan
You'll still be arguing about the vax in 2030

>>16747469
Can I speak to your manager please

>>16747469
I thought people would be in prison for releasing the vaxx by now ngl
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lIXoUh5nkXZk

>>16747466
Because it's not only about blending in as a native, as I said I'm more proficient in English than Greek but I have an accent so I would obviously stand out. I didn't want to insult you, sorry I laughed, 2 languages is not bad. I just get bothered by the "'ESL" thing getting used to undermine someones argument.

>>16747469
>You'll still be arguing about the vax in 2030
Hopefully
Never forget, never forgive!

>>16747475
This.

I thought it was all fun and games until I was one of the 10 people allowed at my grandma's funeral.

I will literally never forgive covidtards.

I love you grandma

>>16747469
Wouldn't it be fun of 4chan had a counter of how many different ips are in the thread?

>>16747488
Heh.... nothin personnell, kid

>>16747480
>I thought it was all fun and games until I was one of the 10 people allowed at my grandma's funeral.
What?
Are you vaxxed?

>>16747480
>I thought it was all fun and games until I was one of the 10 people allowed at my grandma's funeral.
What?
Are you vaxxed?

>>16747492
>>16747493
How the fuck did I send it twice

>>16747495
Shut up already.

>>16747497
What did I do

>>16747498
I'm just fuckin witcha. Keep posting about your own posting insecurities for all I care, not like anyone else is better at it lol

>>16747500
If you think I'm that greek guy i'm not him

>>16747501
Bzzt. Nope, never think that way. There are always least 3 posters everywhere, even if it's you, yourself, and your own post from yesterday you forgot about.

>>16747493
Of course not. I'm even untested. For all I know I'm one of the 80% who never got syptoms.

>>16747495
Web operations on this site are not atomic. Once in a while, something weird will happen like a double post that shouldn't be possible due to dupe rules. Sometimes images get crossed. Once in a while you can even get someone else's post generating (you)s. That would be terrible for a financial site but for a Singaporean lemon tasting forum, it's fine.

>>16745602
>refunds
It's literally free.
Also the curve was flattened, the population has herd immunity, and we've learned that covid isn't as dangerous as it could have been for all we knew at the time.

>>16747328
NTA, but are you really trying to assert that anon is fundamentally incapable of understanding the concept of possibility?

When making decisions one has to weight probability. Some people are bad at that. It doesn't mean that people who are good at it, don't understand the concept of possibility.

It's "possible" that you could win the lottery if you bought a ticket. It doesn't mean wasting all your money on that is a good idea.

>>16747356
>You sound like you would execute people who didn't want to get forcibly vaccinated.
No? Only ones that should die should be ones that resist with lethal force, same as should be the case with anyone else.

Think about it, your assumption doesn't even make fucking sense. If I wanted anti-vaxxers dead first and foremost, what would even be the point of calling for them to be vaccinated? I'd just be calling for them to be executed.

That's not to say I don't think any antivaxxers would resist with lethal force and get themselves killed, but fuck them in particular. It's not like that'd be a significant portion and they'd fucking deserve what's coming to them for taking shots at government and medical workers.

>>16747793
>If I wanted anti-vaxxers dead first and foremost, what would even be the point of calling for them to be vaccinated?
Because muh herd immunity, c'mon you're better that this. Isn't that the whole point of the exercise.

>>16747817
Killing antivaxxers more effectively sustains herd immunity than vaccinating them. A dead body permanently stops transmitting most diseases. Immunity wanes.

Again, calling for them to be vaccinated is just faffing about with extra steps if I just want them dead and herd immunity.

>>16747831
>he thinks transmission stops if you get vaccinated