Thread 16746607

previous >>16743292

first for clear

There can only be one.

>>16746610
>concerns about the impact that the blasts could have on coastal wildlife

weekly reminder QI is wrong

funny how everyone stopped using spacenews as soon as it went paywall. never go enshittification.

>Last year, Vandenberg Space Force Base was the site of 51 rocket launches with 46 of them being conducted by Musk’s SpaceX, according to a spokesperson for the base.

>As of the first week of August, the base has been home to 38 rocket launches so far, with 33 of them being conducted by SpaceX.

Like it or not, SpaceX is the American space program.

Member Musk’s Melty?

>>16746618
who the fuck is "musk"?

>>16746619
Some random African downie who builds meme rockets out of steel like a f'n boomer.

>>16746607 (OP)
Me (left) with my wife

Clear <3

Is it still 2 weeks?

>>16746638
Wouldn't mind clear throwing her slut ass back into my cock

>>16746642
god the SHIT she does to me penis is just AAARUGG

25 Starship launches this year

>>16746620
Roflmfaoooo who makes these memes?

This thread is too homosexual to me. Thankfully the next flight won't place during it.

>>16746607 (OP)
blessed thread

A hero is dead and all you can think about is fucking some cartoon child in frills. Seek help.

>>16746701
I prefer heroes whose oxygen tanks don't explode

>>16746664
Bezos fan club, obviously.
>but w8, why can't he into more advanced materials than aluminum!?

KSA pre-alpha will release next week.

>>16746723
proof?

>>16746727
ahwoo.com

>>16746723
>>16746727
>>16746728
nobody cares tranny. buy an ad

>>16746733
I care. What now, faglord?

Strokin my shit rn.

>>16746735
lacks ambition, lightweight non cryo lander

Starship is a failed project, whoever still believes in it is a sucker.

shut the fuck up. next flight will go perfectly and you will eat those words. Trips decides it.

>>16746746
eh

Yeah... I'm thinking China won. Chairman Xi, please let me join your ranks!

Second ZQ-3 first stage is in final assembly in the Landspace Zhejiang factory
The S2 also seems integrated.
They're aiming for launch+landing next month.
I think the S1 used for the static fire will be repurposed for the 2nd (Haolong shuttle, maybe) or 3rd (Guowang) launch.

>>16746754
The haters are right about starship being a POS, but they’re only right because Elon RECENTLY went full retard.
If elon had just stayed locked in, they would all be wrong and the hyperoptimists would have been proven perfectly right.

A closer look at the weird test article/pathfinder currently on the CZ-10 Mobile platform and LC-301 Launch pad in Wenchang.

Interestingly, during the Shenzhou 20 conference last april the CMSA announced, in order, the following tests for the near future
>Mengzhou 0 altitude (Pad abort) Escape test
>Lanyue Landing and Ascent test
>CZ-10 Static fire
>CZ-10 Low atltiude flight test
>Mengzhou Max Q Escape test (in flight abort).

The first two happened in order.
It was announced in June that the In flight abort was planned for 2025
This test article is generally interpreted as the Static fire article.
The low altitude flight test was originally announced for 2025 in last november.
It seems they're aiming to do the 3 remaining tests before the end of the year. And we're likely going to see a CZ-10 S1 take off in the next 3 months or so.
The exact nature of the "low altitude flight" is uncertain, some believe it is a Max Q test, other that it's a hop test with a cable catch at the end.

>>16746737

Feel a sudden urge to watch Gravity again ...

>>16746787
@grok is this true?
imagine this situation for me

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1954511426246103250

new update from Musk

Starship is dead, and MAGA killed it

This exo-saturn in an elliptical orbit around Alpha Centauri A is pissing me off.
Wandering drunkenly through the entire habitable zone, throwing out worthwhile planets, and yet being too small itself to have an Earth-sized moon.
What a waste of a star system.

>>16746785
No way that they make a sept launch. I hope that they don't rush it and pull a space pioneer, launching before the end of the year is more than enough.

Really such a shame that the Wenchang commercial launch center has too many issues for it to be used as for the maiden launches of all the upcoming chinese private companies. All of the maiden launches for the private rockets will have to be launching from Jiuquan instead. Wenchang commercial also doesn't have nearly enough capacity for all the surge in launches, not when it has to share with CZ rockets. So Jiuquan will be the main spaceport for the commercial companies for the next 2-3 years at least. Almost all of the private rockets are bigger than 3.35m, so it's gonna to be a struggle to get them to get them to the extreme west of China, especially after reuse and then there's the issues of Jiuquan being in the ass end of nowhere with lacking infrastructure and the lack of water.

China really should have started constructing Wenchang commercial launch center years earlier, so it was really mature and waiting before commercial companies started to come online. And they should have built more launch pads, pads 3&4 at the same time. Really felt like they tried to "just in time" the spaceport to start operation right around the time when the commercial companies would be ramping up, and not have factored in that the new launch pads would run into some major teething issues, being so new and all.

>>16746813
Our universe is a waste of a universe

>>16746813
It's possible that any normal planets it scattered would have been captured by B or held in a wider orbit around the two stars together.
Or it could be a mirage
The model has it passing behind the star, yet no transits have been observed for AlphaCenA

I miss that time we were on the highway to Mars
https://i.4cdn.org/ck/1754652830083633.jpg

>no-go for recovery, scrubbed
LMAO

>>16746749
no trips, no launch

>>16746613
Landing at the poles on the mün is no easy feat in ksp, give them a break

>>16746723
Please let this be true.

>>16746733
>he doesn't want KSP with a better engine
What's wrong with you?

>>16746746
>>16746754
It's going to go the way of every other second stage reuse, high cost and lots of refurbishment.
The one advantage SpaceX has that NASA didn't is they can hide the cost of refurbishment and claim it's much lower to save face.

>>16746812
Musk fucked himself over and it only happened because while being the largest political donor in history he failed to understand no one actually gives a fuck about the debt and believed the lies meant for the plebs.

>>16746847
Modded ksp is the only gaym you'll ever need

>>16746787
Starship was fucked long beofre Elon wet full retard. Oneof the catalysts for him going full retard was that he became blackpilled on the whole thing because of how impossible it was.

>>16746859
I love RP-1 but a better engine built from the ground up is a much better base for preformance and scale.
My current RP-1 save with 3 LEO stations, 12 GEO relay satellites, 1 LLO station, 2 moon bases and a few interplanetary probes runs like shit and would be way better on an engine that gets 600FPS instead of 80.

>>16746787
>>16746860
It went wrong when Tom Mueller told him Starship wouldn't work, Musk didn't listen and Mueller quit. This was 5 years ago.

>>16746852
Did Trump even run on cutting the debt? I don't think he talked about it

>I don't like his politics now so therefore starship won't work
he broke you

/sfg/ has always been skeptical of starship

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1954324160072822818
>Starship is grounded due to serious issues with Raptor 3 engines. We’ll resume only after they’re fully fixed. Space is hard, but we’re not giving up.

>>16746880
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1954480121458594062
>Pausing Starship flight program for a bit. Team is working hard to fix the very complex Raptor 3 startup sequence. We've hit a wall where the engine isn't ready for prime time yet.
>This is a temporary hiatus. We must get this right. The alternative is blowing up more engines.
>Starbase is focused on a full redesign of the turbopump and propellant injection system. The core principle of full-flow staged combustion is sound, but the execution needs to be radically simplified.
>Progress isn't always linear. We fly to learn, and we've learned a lot. Getting to Mars is a marathon, not a sprint. We'll be back stronger.

>>16746880
>>16746882
fake, elon doesn't post about spaceflight.

>>16746861
You don't need more than 60 fps, the human eye can't tell a difference anyways

>>16746864
>Did Trump even run on cutting the debt?
Yes
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flashback-trump-ran-being-king-debt-2016-bragged-he-could-eliminate-national-debt-8-years
He also claims he is reducing the national debt now while increasing it by $2T per year.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/the-one-big-beautiful-bill-slashes-deficits-national-debt-while-unleashing-economic-growth/

>>16746862
whoa, is that documented? major black pill if so

>>16746862
Is that why his new company depends on starship working?

>>16746910
That was a "leak" as I'm sure they is a NDA to slandering SpaceX but if you want to read how retarded his interactions with Musk were read this.
https://zlsadesign.com/post/tom-mueller-interview-2017-05-02-transcription/
Musk can't understand why a rocket engine costs more to build than a Tesla when it's lighter and contains less material.

>>16746913
>Mira weights 300kg
>Helios is designed specifically for the Falcon 9
>the Mars lander is planned to fly on Relativity's Terran R
>saiph truster can be used on any Bus
Wow so much dependance on Starship.

>>16746920
interesting

>>16746880
Those posts are the best proof that Elon has low IQ

>>16746610
Vandenberg has been there forever. Anyone who lives there knew it was a launch facility when they decided to be there. Also does California even have jurisdiction over what goes on at a military base?

>>16746920
Interesting post. I always thought Mueller left over Starship. I guess he shills Starship working because he owns stock options and wants to sell to the next sucker.
SpaceX run a tight ship when it comes to negative comments from exx employees. That wyatt khan guy or whatever he was called who was a disgruntled ex SpaceX employee who someone posted a few weeks ago hasactually taken down his negative rants about SpaceX now and posted an apology.

>>16746930
>Also does California even have jurisdiction over what goes on at a military base?
No, but they can screech very loudly to the epa or faa probably. Not that it'll do much good with the chevron deference getting btfo.

>>16746880
AI is demonic

>>16746861
It was never the software. Hardware is the limitation to game speed, and silicon chips are maxed out. 2010s gaming is the fastest and most advanced games will get.
Also remember that good software is only ever made by a team of 3 or so people; this limits the scope of what can be produced.

>>16746852
>no one actually gives a fuck about the debt
Doesn’t prevent economic collapse and at minimum the destruction of the market niche harbouring space-fairing humans.

>>16746909
>He also claims he is reducing the national debt now while increasing it by $2T per year.
Classic politician meaning of “reducing debt”; the deficit has increased at a slower rate. Instead of it being 2T lat year and 2.5T this year (had the crazy woman won), it’s “only” 2T.
Still terrible.

https://x.com/eager_space/status/1954581630846460403
>Neutron has a larger fairing than I expected...

>20 gay flags
>24 pedo flags
Yeah ill pass lol

>>16746943
>Hardware is the limitation to game speed
Lol no, you just need to split as many processes as possible across modern multi-core CPUs.
Look at ARMA 3 for a great example of multi-threading being added years after release and drastically improving performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AABnlCvcpJ8

>good software is only ever made by a team of 3 or so people
ID software proves you wrong, because of Carmack's autism being enforced on the whole studio they still produce highly optimized software with pretty big teams.

If you want a solid understanding of why modern performance is shit in so many games I can't recommend Threat Interactives videos about shader technology enough.
https://www.youtube.com/@ThreatInteractive

>>16746945
I'm not saying it isn't a huge problem, just that no one in either party is willing to cut enough subsidies and raise enough taxes on corporate donors to actually reduce it.
Retards act like DOGE saved so much when just cutting the $750B in energy subsidies is ~3.75x more than DOGE claims to have saved and ~30x what they actually saved.

>>16746953
>discord
please stay there

>>16746920
>The "Face-Shutoff" Decision: Mueller cites the development of the Merlin 1D engine as a prime example of Musk’s leadership. Mueller initially advised against Musk’s idea of using a "face-shutoff" system for the engine's valves, believing it was too difficult. Despite Mueller's reservations and the challenges that followed, the decision ultimately led to the development of a highly reliable and low-cost engine by simplifying the design and removing complex, expensive components.

from a summary
if anything, this makes musk look good, not bad like you are trying to do

>>16746905
imagine the smell

>>16746953
It's Kitten Space Agency, and cats are pretty much all gay and pedo by default.

>>16746975
>>16746978
The AI brainrot is real, do you actually read anything yourself or just trust Google with your thinking?
If you actually read you would see
>We’ll have, you know, a group of people sitting in a room, making a key decision. And everybody in that room will say, you know, basically, “We need to turn left,” and Elon will say “No, we’re gonna turn right.” You know, to put it in a metaphor. And that’s how he thinks. He’s like, “You guys are taking the easy way out; we need to take the hard way.”
>And, uh, I’ve seen that hurt us before, I’ve seen that fail, but I’ve also seen— where nobody thought it would work— it was the right decision. It was the harder way to do it, but in the end, it was the right thing.
So Musk was reactively contrarian and it failed a lot of times but in the case of the values it worked.

>>16746950
>here’s your best view you’ll ever have, we’re never going back to this cool place goy

You wake up and see Jared Isaacman nominated as NASA administrator and you feel like the future is optimistic and secure; then one day you quantum leap and suddenly find yourself in this alt timeline where everything is gay and cringe and not going well

>Alexander Pol deputy editor - Alex holds a Ph.D. in nano-engineering from Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands. He is an author and co-author of numerous scientific publications. Alex served as a reviewer for various peer-reviewed scientific journals before launching his career in scientific journalism. Science X values Alex's thoughtful and careful scientific insight in developing policy and creating standards for content.

Pretty good for a guy who can't count.

>>16746989
failed a lot of times but got fixed and worked in some cases which resulted in massive improvements
seems like it has paid off overall

>>16747002
I still fondly remember when then seemingly pro-space trump won and jared got nominated and starship wasn't failing and it all seemed like we finally won after a long and painful road. Then everything fell apart before I even noticed.

>>16747008
So like flipping a coin, is coin flipping the ultimate management strategy?

>>16747007
>five
THERE ARE FOUR ASTRONAUTS

A Long March 10 core stage was just randomly spotted on the static fire test stand at LC-3. What the fuck

>>16747011
no, nothing like flipping a coin
also you keep making shit up, posting stuff that actually contradicts your point
lmao

"Hey hey!"

>>16746991
I still don't know where the fuck the only natural colour photograph of Triton is. They all range from grayscale to an aurora of blues and greens and some are mosaics and others claim to be photographs even though they all look like they're taken from different angles.

>>16747020
>posting stuff that actually contradicts your point
How would you know when you don't read it?

>>16747014
>launch abort test last month
>lanyue landing sequence test last week
>lm10 core static fire this week
Redmoonbros, it's fucking happening

>>16747023
lol >>16746989
what a faggot you are

>>16747027
Are you pretending to be me now?

>>16747031
I said you post quotes that contradict your conclusions, why would I post anyone else?
retard

>>16747024
What is China's most recent estimate of their testing and landing, compared to Artemis II and Artemis III?

Lanyue test rig

>>16746740
Non cryo propellant should mean it can wait in space for a long time without propellant boil-off, which is highly beneficial for distributed launch

Chinese manned moon landing project notable milestones

>>16747049
has artemis had *any* milestones in the same timeframe?

>>16747045
It's fucking massive

>>16747049
Did they ever put a lander on the moon?

>>16746909
>In 2016
I meant now. Elon was saying
>I supported Trump this time because he promised to eliminate the debt
but I don't believe Trump promised anything of the kind this time. It was all about kicking out illegal immigrants.

>>16747058
several times

>>16747060
Cool

>>16746949
This is actually almost the exact scale I imagined in my head

>>16747024
I kind of want this to happen now because it's completely irrelevant but will also absolutely melt normalfag's brains.
NASA deserves it for fucking everything up for fifty years.

>>16747067
Same. I think these people are just sub 130 IQ.

>>16747039
Oficially
>~mid 2026: CZ-10A (monocore) launch with uncrewed Mengzhou
>late 2026/2027: CZ-10A recovery + crewed Mengzhou to Tiangong
>2027: First CZ-10(tricore) launch
>Late 2027/2028: Full uncrewed rehearsal with 2 CZ-10 launches
>2028: Apolo-8 Crewed lunar orbit mission with Mengzhou with 1 CZ-10 launch (may or may not happen before the one above)
>2029: Crewed Lunar landing with 2 CZ-10 launches

>>16746975
That such a valve solution worked reliably once developed doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't excessively difficult to develop such a solution

Rate this plan & timeline

>>16747079
Not that unrealistic

>>16747073
Zero chance of Artemis landing before the Red Chinese.

What would be the efficacy of sending a remote controlled full-scale "mockup" of americas/chinas/indias crewed lunar lander to the moon? Shirley remote control technology is advanced enough to do that

>>16747085
As I understand it, that's what the Chinese intend to do. There will be an uncrewed rehearsal before the crewed landing

>be the soviets
>start the biggest space program ever to counter the shuttle
>"let's copy and develop it until we figure out what military loads the americans are planning on launching"
>2M people working on the program, multiple ministeries
>develop new boosters, electronics, material science, hydrogen engines
>actually make it better
>get Gorbachev'd
>ministry of defense no longer interested
>figure out a Buran launch costs 10x what a Soyuz launch costs
>just scrap it bruh
Was the cold war a massive racket?

>>16747085
everyone already plans to do that. We can look forwardto the Starship HLS uncrewed demo tipping over and explosively decompressing circa 2036 or later

>>16747085
There will be uncrewed demo landings of the Artemis landers. As I understand it, that's also what the Chinese intend to do; the Chinese will carry out an uncrewed rehearsal mission before the crewed landing mission

>>16747085
The Indians also plan to do that, as seen in this pic
>>16747079

>>16747079
Everything uncrewed: sure, they’re doing well on that front, may have one or two failures however
Everything crewed: let’s wait until Gaganyaan stops being delayed one year every year and matures,

>>16747079
>>16747081
keep in mind india has never put a man in space. now granted the US went from no man in space to man on the moon in less than 10 years, but india is not the US

>>16747089
That was an unintentional bonus in the western plan to cause the USSR to bankrupt itself. SDI and low oil prices (Saudi Arabia was part of this) were two of the primary drivers, but the Soviets freaking out over the Shuttle's by-committee design helped push them over the edge. There were other programs, like the military build up in general and endless one upping each other with more and better nukes, but Buran did its part without the US even meaning for that to happen.

https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/multimedia/raw-images/index.cfm?urlpath=ZL0_0467_0708389164_428EBY_N0260756ZCAM08487_1100LMJ&mission=mars2020
Earthers are litterbug slimebags

>>16747079
not a chance, they're targeting a LEO station by 2040...

>>16746975
The anon is actually relying on no one reading what he cited to see if it actually supports his claim.

>>16747085
>Shirley
kek

>>16747079
Americans and Chinese must settle their differences to prevent a single poo from going beyond LEO.

>>16747149
>you will die before a callisto colony is set up

>>16746754
You're all right, astronomer

>>16747152
I get Callisto and calypso mixed up

space babies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SbUoYJY9oM

>>16747140
No chance, China will 100% send a Pakistani to the moon in the 2030s, and that will motivate the Indians

>>16747126
That competition between allegedly rival empires was fake as fuck.
The cold war was a racket against the collective peoples of both blocks.

>>16747126
>bankrupt USSR and get to use their engines for decades after that
man, the USA is something else

>>16747089
>figure out a Buran launch costs 10x what a Soyuz launch costs
lol try 100x, the Soviet military was buying Soyuz at 2 million ruble, individual marginal cost of an Energia buran launch was estimated at 200 million ruble

And if you’re looking at number of launches / total program cost it’d be 7 billion ruble, 3500x more expensive

>>16747154
Fockin minging

Talk about Triton.

>>16747220
it's too far away to receive a reasonable volume of missions.
post again when someone's building a lander for it.

>>16747220
Hark! Triton, hark!

nukes in space is a political non-starter. we need some other way of powering deep space probes.

>>16746607 (OP)
why don't you fags post shit from NASA APOD?

inb4
>what's that?
>Astronomy Picture of the Day
>Discover the cosmos! Each day a different image or photograph of our fascinating universe is featured, along with a brief explanation written by a professional astronomer.
>https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html


todays pic (URL, for the record: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap250810.html:
>Zodiacal Road
>Image Credit & Copyright: Ruslan Merzlyakov (astrorms)
>Explanation: What's that strange light down the road? Dust orbiting the Sun. At certain times of the year, a band of sun-reflecting dust from the inner Solar System appears prominently just after sunset -- or just before sunrise -- and is called zodiacal light. Although the origin of this dust is still being researched, a leading hypothesis holds that zodiacal dust originates mostly from faint Jupiter-family comets and slowly spirals into the Sun. Recent analysis of dust emitted by Comet 67P, visited by ESA's robotic Rosetta spacecraft, bolsters this hypothesis. Pictured when climbing a road up to Teide National Park in the Canary Islands of Spain, a bright triangle of zodiacal light appeared in the distance soon after sunset. Captured on June 21, 2019, the scene includes bright Regulus, the alpha star of the constellation Leo, standing above center toward the left. The Beehive Star Cluster (M44) can be spotted below center, closer to the horizon and also immersed in the zodiacal glow.

sssspppppeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhs

>>16747246
I do, multiple times a week!

>>16747252
you got me there lmao
I don't visit this thread often anymore

>>16747267
why not, huh? huh?!

>>16747267
it's YOUR fault that we're ded

>>16746120
imagine a ship lifted by seven Super Heavies

>>16747243
matter-antimatter :)

>>16747268
>>16747272
I don't visit because of all the Musk dick sucking. not that I'm a fanatic of space travel, though, but I like this topic and find this thread interesting and informative. that is, until you guys start sucking his dick in public. I also like what spacex is doing, but idgaf about Musk himself.

>>16747276
Starship+ class rockets won't be needed. By the 2050s we'll likely mass produce materials for a space elevator with a counteweight at 120000km

>>16747246
>APOD
>Astronomy Photo of the Day
>Astronomy
>not Spaceflight

>>16747287
>space elevator
is this bait?

>>16747246
I'm too lazy to post much of anything right now
two weeks and there is a launch and more info for starship again (maybe)

>>16747297
shut the fuck up.

this delay has felt really long for some reason

>>16747298
keep crying bitch nigga

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1954667204240138294

https://cityofstarbase-texas.com/beach-road-access

>>16747300
I will keep crying your dad's name while he fucks me in the ass.

>>16747303
You win this round.

>>16747297
APOD posting could be automated easily though

>>16747293
>Spaceflight
>Spaceflight general
>not Science or Math
I could use a similar argument, yet here you are.

>>16746955
I want to believe.
>no one in either party is willing
Agree.
>raise enough taxes
Raising taxes doesnt work because they’re already as high as they can be. Last century’s politicians already acted on that idea. The only solution is to cut spending massively: state healthcare alone is 1.7 trillion. Cut that all and the problems nearly gone. Cut welfare 1.5T, now you’re in a surplus.

But you’d be dead through either assassination by the establishment, or lynched by the dysgenics.

>There is a monolith on the moon of Mars, when people find out about that they're gonna say "who put that there!"
what did he mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws

>>16746930
Yes, the California Coastal Commission has EDS and has been quoted on that, but the article title is worded in such a way that it suggests the military has to care.

>>16747316
or you could just start your own fucking thread

>>16746930
They don't, really. They do votes but the military was always legally allowed to overrule them.

>>16747126
>and low oil prices
What does oil have to do with spaceflight?

>>16747409
>or you could just start your own fucking thread
you could move this general elsewhere too, you know?

>>16747301
>another delay of starship launch
wht the fuck is going on

>>16747435
I didn't start it, and if you want to talk asstroonomy, then start an asstroonomy general thread instead of being a retard.

>>16747439
two weeks, trust the plan

>>16747443
APOD is not only about astronomy, retard.
also, again: your point was that astronomy is off-topic here. yet this whole fucking general is off-topic. stop complaining and shut the fuck up, faggot.

>>16747439
Starship will never work. Elon went crazy and hired a bunch of H1b

>>16747448
then complain to the mods or something and fuck back off to reddit already

>>16747444
Fuck I forgot your name but youre the ai krystal nigger whos a fucking furnigger on xitter and is eating a hotdog in your profile picture FUCK I HATE YOU

>>16746953
>added lame and gay fucking cat models instead of humanoids because fuck you quriky chungus *drinks söilent bottle*

>>16747360
Aliens

>>16746953
The state of the spaceflight online community, 2025

fuck you

>>16747471
wow, it's a just reposted picture, you've got someone living rent free in your head
krystal is an old /sfg/ meme and you're a newfag

>>16747490
>forcing your nigger tier dogshite down everyones throat for years means its a meme
i know its you mercrantos because only you are obsessed with ai to the point you have a separate xitter account for it. theres that other hawaiian nigger spacebasedfox too. i was there for it all, you were cancers in the oft-2 era and you still are now. clearposters are 100x better than you two bottom feeding slugs.

>>16746955
>they still produce highly optimized software with pretty big teams.
>still
carmack left id years ago anon, what are you talking about.

>>16746955
savings don't happen until recissions and new budgets are passed in congress. those haven't happened yet because the tax cuts needed to be passed before 2026 and congress takes forever to do anything. so it's all still future possibilities for the simple reason six months isn't enough legislative time to acheive any of this shit. the first recissions are only getting passed now and the next budget isn't due until september. and even the shit that has been done has been done at the political speed of light.

musk was pissed because he lost ev mandates and that cost him money. he was told what was going to happen when he joined the team last year. too fucking bad, the dems probably would have closed down spacex so his choices were limited. he got a free advert out of the deal.

It's Aliens. Aliens with ADD:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iOSEDRWXZZw

>>16747545
Holy fucking shit

>>16747545
This guy has become an ayylmao truther. Complete lolcow.

>>16747556
scifi author so, inevitable

>>16747556
Seems pretty smart to me

starship is our lolcow

>>16747545
Wrong link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbg71Q4Dclo

>>16747566
Thks. Don't know why the wrong one copied.

>>16746948
Debt isn't even real, it's just a lie to suckers like all loans.

space

flight

general

>>16747566
How is one guy so smart?

>>16747246
>astronomy
literally the most pathetic cuck voyeur thing you can do

>>16747647
>literally the most pathetic cuck voyeur thing you can do
I think you're forgetting the livestream bolt counters.

>>16747438
I love the fact that she has the insane ULA poster on her arm patch.
https://x.com/sbarky38/status/1954682171114872898

>>16747658
buy a fucking ad

>>16747664
i just did tho

>>16747658
The power of outbidding FH on the contract

>>16747562
That’s so small, how is this supposed to fit four people inside?

>>16747562
>>16747680
what is this, a spacecraft for ants!?

>>16747680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c06hIXPxvwk

>>16747154
Par-a-dice Poonch lemon-aid

>>16747682
Mass budgets please understand

>>16746746
The big question is Who will Musk blame when the project gets canned?

>>16747685
We are balls deep in musks Howard Hughes arc
https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=1m40s

>>16747702
i've said it before, but starship is musks spruce goose

>>16747702
you keep saying this over and over hoping its true
its not

spacex just launched kuiper and sfg is dead. we dont deserve a general.

>>16747757
7:30 on a Monday morning isn't a great time for most of us, also this shitty mission is an absolute joke. More secretive than the fucking military, for some shitty, for-profit IOT satellites, from a company that we ALL hate. The stupid shit you buy from Amazon is now that much more pricey, given this stupid, misguided endeavor. The assholes even sued NASA for awarding a moon landing contract to the clearly superior competitor.
Tell me again, why its worth cheerleading for this stupid company and their asshole projects?

>>16747757
We’re just in a holding pattern until IVO’s QI test proves einstein wrong and the world changes forever

Please wish Snoopy a happy 75th birthday

>>16747774
so, two weeks?

>>16747779
They named an entire LM after him. That’s my goat

>>16747757
I have a job and I'm leaving for it now

>>16747800
loser.

>>16747089
at least they got a decent GEO launcher out of the side boosters (Zenit)

>>16747757
>honogeneous pancake style satellites
not /sfg/

>>16747089
>assuming that the Amerikanskis knew what they were doing with Shittle
>finding out the hard way about the Space Industrial Complex
>bankrupting your socialist dreamland from trying to keep up with the SIC
>losing half your empire and still trying to spend as much on space as you did before
>drunk workers causing mission failures

>When comparing the likelihood of asteroid events to other possible events, some of the results might be surprising. For example, the chance of a >140 meter asteroid hitting Earth is more likely than an individual being struck by lightning in their lifetime and more likely than an individual being attacked by a coyote.

Silly Girl Science. All she did is Google odds calculated by others then put them on a graph dotted with emojis from her phone. If you ask her why this matters, she gets all emotional and starts to cry.

Yall about to get sent to the colosseum

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1954914277971894616
>It's rollout day to move the Vulcan rocket and USSF-106 from the Government Vertical Integration Facility (VIF-G) to Space Launch Complex-41. Launch of Vulcan's first U.S. national security mission for the Space Force and Space Systems Command is targeted for Tuesday during a window of 7:59 to 8:59 p.m. EDT (2359-0059 UTC).

>>16747867
Are vulcan’s BE-4s better than the aerojet AR1s they could have gone with?

>>16747885
Yes, the main thing is that they were a bigger gamble.

>>16747885
Hard to say, given how Blue isn't exactly forthcoming with performance numbers for the BE-4 and the specs for the AR1 were more speculative goals than anything physically demonstrated; what we do have for both is roughly equivalent. Going with a kerolox engine would have allowed the core to pack in a bit more propellant mass for the same volume. Vulcan is a slight downgrade of the old Atlas V Phase 2 Med proposal. Having more prop in the core gave that design slightly better performance, but AV2 also had more engines on each stage which would have had a bigger effect.

>>16747885
BE-4 is definitely more reusable, but since ULA are not pursuing SMART recovery it's not worth much.

>>16746813
Damn, now I really hope the observations are wrong.

>>16747757
>nasa funding slashed
>starship failed
>stuck on earth for eternity
we really don't deserve a general

>>16747191
That's what the cosmonaut in this video said, according to auto-translate.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6jNQU4hSLTw

I also thought it was too cheap, but it is a russian ship after all.

>>16747918
zero for four

>>16747885
As shitty as Blue Origin is I think the BE-4s are unironically a fraction of the cost of whatever Aerojet Rocketdyne was prepared to charge for both the R&D and the actual cost of each AR1 engine. That alone justifies any hit in comparative performance

Is there chance of Artemis III happening before 2030?

>>16747945
As angry as it makes the wumao, yes Artemis III is still on track to beat China back to the Moon.

>>16747945
pretty much just comes down to whether Orion kills the Artemis ii crew. if they survive then A3 is on the table for 2028/29 otherwise it's a looong way off

>>16747945
literally no one at NASA Marshall thinks so but somehow the space community (think xitter, discords etc) think 2027 or 28 is possible

>>16747959
>pretty much just comes down to whether Orion kills the Artemis ii crew
single digit percent chance of that.
As angry as it makes the Spacexister, what it really comes down to is if/when SpaceX gets it's shit together and delivers on the HLS lander.

>>16747945
Sharty II needs to go as smoothly as Sharty I did

>>16747963
The timetable would be even further off if the selection had been National Embarrassment Team or Fatpaca, it’s worth noting.
Starship was the best option for better or for worse

>>16747974
True. SpaceX are defenitely the most capable out of the bunch, but they basically scammed NASA by offering such a ridiculous design. If SpaceX had chosen to go with the quickest approach rather than scamming NASA they could have easily achieved the demo landings by now and secured American's return to the Moon.
They could have thrown together a multistage lander heavily derivative from Dragon which could be tossed at the moon by Falcon Heavy. Superdraco has deep throttling and uses storable hypergolics. It's basically perfect for the task.

>>16747962
sg5 speaks for no one but himself

>>16747990
>they basically scammed NASA by offering such a ridiculous design

Thanks for letting us know your opinion has no value.

>>16747996
In what way is Starship not a ridiculous design for the HLS contract? It cant land anywhere on the moon that has a greater than 1 degree slope btw.

>>16747990
If not for starship, spacex probably would have never went for moon mission.

>>16748007
You just can't stop telling us how your opinion has no value huh?

>>16748007
Simple, just go to the moon first and build a landing pad for it. Idk why they just don't do that, idiots.

>>16748007
why do you keep making shit up? lmao

just build a bouncing castle on the moon
I'M PICKLE RIICK

>>16747959
How is Orion the bottleneck when Starship HLS is nowhere near done yet?

>>16748027
Orion is not done either if NASA doesn't just want to YOLO the lives of the crew

>>16748032
You really think that Starship HLS will be human rated earlier?

>>16748035
starship has an extra year and a half to get human rated, more if orion fails at being human rated

>>16747422
Russia, and a few other former Soviet republics, are net energy exporters. The Soviet Union needed hard currency to purchase the things it could not make (or grow) itself, which was quite a bit of stuff. When Saudi Arabia agreed to flood the market with oil in exchange for US military weapons, it helped starve the USSR of funds it needed as energy prices, especially for hydrocarbons, plummeted.
Buran and Energia consumed lots of resources, especially the Soviet Union's limited amount of hard currency. There were many other needs for those funds. In the end the Soviet shuttle harmed the USSR and the shuttle was harmed from the USSR's inability to produce everything it needed domestically.

>>16747694
>high speed rail
LOL. Musk tried to nerf California's high speed rail back when he thought his Hyperloop system was plausible. Lucky for him, California is incompetent enough on its own to fuck it up.

>>16748055
when he talked about it, the rail project had already been going on like 20 years

Why is SpaceX so behind ULA?

>>16748069
Permanent presence on the Moon is going to be a real game changer. It wouldn't just be a cage in space, it would be somewhere. It'll make kids want to be astronauts again.

>>16748069
Bruno is been toiling in the Moon while Musk as been toileting on shitter

>>16748072
Inspiring kids that aren't even born thanks to demographic collapse

>>16748074
Children are still being born, dumbass, just not enough to replace the existing population.

>>16747990
Elon dick riders will never admit that the HLS is the most dumbfuck concept ever. It's not even a reusable vehicle. They should have just designed something that would be assembled in space with starship

>>16748079
They are, they're just not white. That means the next generation and beyond will have zero interest in space because brown people inherently cannot explore.
>muh india
Fuck off.

>>16748100
Again, you don't understand what birthrate is.

>>16748100
all birth rates are going down following the same trend. Some countries are just behind by a few decades. Stop chud fear mongering

>>16748069
>extracting Helium-3
goddammit, he's also been poisoned by sci-fi plot devices. as bad as searching for life on dead planets

>>16748100
There is still China.
All your Space are belong to us

>>16748027
>>16748032

>>16748120
ching chong fing fong tai hao le bing chilling

>>16748120
The Sol system is doomed to the boom/bust cycle just like the poor Moties.

>>16748087
you don't understand the algorithm
making some new one off vehicle just for landing some people on the moon would be a waste of time
the HLS can be developed further to become reusable

>>16748016
its happening

>>16748069
>Helium-3
time to put him out to the retirement farm

Another Terran Hard R update.

https://youtu.be/yoRViVhVz4s

>>16748035
You seem to misunderstand what crew rating means.

>>16748136
INSS MacArthur my beloved.

>>16748055
>thinks Elon killed California's HSR

he fell for it again

slowly ferociously!

>>16748149
>log scale
lel

>>16748087
No argument other than saying if you don't agree with anon's blanket statement then you are a dickrider.

>>16748095
one of the most based moments of /sfg/

So who is the next Musk who actually has an inspiring Mars program and isn’t cringe

>>16748156
I wonder if anon ever launched

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1954983668323172605
>Starship 37 has rolled out to pad 1 at the Starbase launch complex today for additional engine testing ahead of Starship test flight 10.

>>16748169
Just gonna be a spin prime.

>>16748140
so why is everyone talking about mining the moon and asteroids then? surely they would know what that anon is saying? is going to the moon really just about geopolitics at the end of the day?

>>16748189
h3 is a meme, thats why people say it
the only somewhat plausible economic thing to do on the moon is to perhaps get propellants (hydrogen and oxygen), sell those to LEO or whatever and even then only due to comparative advantage (moon oxygen will be more expensive than earth oxygen even after launch costs to LEO most likely, but there might be a comparative advantage in sending something more valuable to LEO instead of just LOX)

>>16748189
>>16748193
H3 is used in radiation detectors, this is why the US gov is throwing some money at these companies.

Musk shoulda blown up the rocket like zuckerfucks

Musk shoulda fucked a trucka clucks

>>16748140
what font is that?

The most energetic rocket will be launching the most advanced navigation satellite soon and /sfg/ is dead

>>16748212
>most energetic rocket

Falcon Heavy doesn't have any launches in the near term.

>>16748189
3He is a top-tier midwit meme, they hear about the moon being "covered" with it (when actually it's just a spattering on the surface) and that it can be used for nuclear fusion (but don't know it's the hardest kind of fusion)
It's probably easier to make the shit in a reactor than to ever mine it from the moon.
>>16748208
Lucida Grande, one of the most readable fonts from OS X, I'll even install it on Linux.

>>16748218
>>16748234
These pics go hard if it were circa 2012-2018. But alas…

>>16748260
At least he got his engines. Now if he could just use them again.

>>16748169
This is diabolical to look at. I swear Starship is a humiliation ritual. Look at the craftsmanship on that heat shield!

If I had a moderately-sized payload I were trying to place into GEO, would it be cheapest to send it up on Vulcan? (Versus Starship, that needs at least one if not more tanker flights to a depot; my payload has to go to said depot to fill up…)
Then again, it would probably be cheaper still to just send it up on New Glenn because bezos is apparently fine running everything at a huge profit loss

>>16748169
>>16748271
Thinking about that anon who said he’s never seen a photo of a Starship TPS that isn’t shitty.
By the time they get to the end of tiling a ship it has already been knocked around by machinery and wind and rain and such and starts to fall apart. Fucking disgraceful—the shuttlefication factor is real

>>16748273
lmao dis nigga forgot falcon heavy exists

>>16748274
>the shuttlefication factor is real
Can't even say that. It's much worse than Shuttle. At least the shuttle shield would look passable when it rolled out the VAB.

>>16748282
well, ACES is back on the menu and in the future perhaps even a nuclear reactor will power it, so its safe to say Vulcan will be the king of deep space by the 2030s.

>>16748271
>>16748274
You gotta enjoy the cope and seethe.

>>16748295
>ACES is back on the menu

lol, lmao even

>>16748308
It’s kinda true lol. NASA is interested in zero-boiloff tech for ISRU purposes and it seems like BO and ULA actually want to use it for long-term cryo tanks. Shelby tried to kill the idea but it evidently survived underground and is coming back lol

>>16748309
ACES explicity required boiloff to operate

>elon getting clowned on by a gay mexican kid now too
good year for him

Starships were landing on Jovian moons for exploration by now in my daydreams (from 2020)

>>16748336
Context?

>>16748336
The mexican ‘Lon mower
He better watch out, it will be over if he catches a direct gamma ray burst of groyper’s curse

>>16748295
>an internal combustion engine to be used to power the IVF system on ACES was to be produced by Roush Racing.

The most advanced rocket powered by a Pontiac V6.

>>16748336
another melty, you say?

>>16748371
orders from his handlers post-humiliation ritual

>>16748295
>tfw your starter goes out on your rocket engine and you have go out with your hammer to knock the shit out of it

>>16748371
Not quite yet but he’s dipping his toes in dangerous waters

A space program run by Nazis or a space program run by internet grifters. What a dark future we live in.

>>16748378
>hallucinates
>speeds go down by half

>>16748378
>I’ll have a… uhhhh, AI computing. Smallsat company.
>Oh! And put “x” in the name!
Daring today, are we?

>>16748378
You forgot the third option: gypsies

Your AI space company is making up fictional CEOs. Try turning it off and on again.

>>16748384
I was just going through my old images today and noticed a couple of images about their rocket and thinking how happy I was that I hadn't heard them mentioned on /sfg/ for months now.

>>16748378
so all you need to do to get millions of funding is say your startup is powered by AI?

>>16748389
The ARCA-mania is over, 2021 was a fun year. Good times.

>Russian robotic lunar missions are postponed... from nearly never to almost definitely never.
https://x.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1954931008010424789Russian robotic lunar missions are postponed... from nearly never to almost definitely never.

>>16748401
russiacucks...

>>16748384
>>16748394
I miss it, and laughing at Astra too. God I hope they get another launch to fuck up one day, good times.

>all these recent updates
the startup sector is popping off

Why couldn't Saturn V or an Apollo CSM mission have reboosted Skylab? Why was this dependent on Shuttle being ready

>>16748418
I don't think we had any left

>>16747709
The way of the future...

>>16748133
Tiles are not your thing, burgers.

>>16748439
Nor are the other 99.8% of space-related skill trees yours, euro

Do you goys think nasa will ever release photos of the astronauts bodies they recovered from challenger or columbia

>>16748440
We need to unlock sovereignty first. Once the big fat leech is removed we can continue where Werner left.

>>16748444
there are some for Columbia.

>>16748457
Where? All I've ever seen is the empty helmet.

>>16748469
NASA reports.

13/8/25- LM-5
15/8/25- ZQ-2E
16/8/25- Kinetica 1
17/8/25- LM-6A

Next batch of Chinese launches just dropped. I think it's interesting how China is somehow able to match SpaceX's launch rate with expendable rockets, though with much less capable small and medium lift rockets of course. Makes me wonder how much their launch rate will rise in a year or two once all their dozen private companies start to ramp up their launches and once they figure out reusable rockets. I wonder if they can achieve the vaunted daily launches for an entire year, or 365 launches a year. They have the advantage of having a lot of launchpads and spaceports, with even more under construction. There's no doubt that they will likely shoot past SpaceX's mass to orbit by a large margin unless SpaceX can figure out Starship fast.

>>16748492
this is the problem with communists
it's never jam today, always jam tomorrow

>>16748516
What are you even talking about. They need to build out their own comms constellation, which they are doing with existing rockets while actively funding development of reusable rockets through a dozen different small launchers. What the fuck does this have to do with communism? What is Europe and Russia doing by the way since they aren’t communists?

>>16748527
>communist seethe
you're being had, it's a fucking scam, all of it
tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, while 300 million of your compatriots live on less than $250 a month and you have fewer rights than a Swiss dog

>>16748528
Settle down you fucking spastic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEEHJYwAkfU
> Ship 37 Faces Re-Test Before Starship Flight 10 | Starbase Update

>>16748528
$250 a month goes a long way in a country where you don’t pay ten dollars for a starbies coffee or 2k a month rent. Once again glowniggers fail to bring up PPP.

>>16748532
lol
lMao even

>>16748535
I would post the dead astronauts from the shittles and roasted corpses from Apollo 1 if they weren’t redacted by the American politburo.

>>16748538
the point of that pic is not the tiny rocket motor
it's the shit house it fell on

>>16748545
>why does a nation of a billion and a half people that was wrecked for a century and a half and then buttfucked by communism still have bad housing in some areas????

I can find any number of absolute dumpster shitholes in America on google maps, they exist pretty everywhere in the world.

>>16748546
Bare concrete walls in living spaces are rare in Western Europe and North America.

>>16748552
I am pretty sure that's adobe

>>16748553
I don't think it is, adobe is mud brick: a composite of straw or other fibrous plant matter and clay. The debris on the floor is characteristic of broken concrete spall. Picture: broken adobe

>>16748555
> The debris on the floor is characteristic of broken concrete spall
oh. right you are
the crack in the wall that's standing does look a bit like what you posted so that threw me off

>>16748552
Where roofs made from tar paper and walls from glued together wood chip boards with plastic boards stapled on the outside are the norm. So much better.

>>16748017
the way you do that is you put a big mirror in moon synchronous orbit and shine it down to melt the bottom of some crater into glass

More study into the plasma dynamics and demisability of organics needs to be performed. For science of course

>>16748574
Starship will solve this.

>>16748095
goblin toe for a thumb
not surprising that someone printing out a vtuber is dysgenic

Ariane and Vulcan today. Anyone got the mascots?

>>16748492
>I think it's interesting how China is somehow able to match SpaceX's launch rate with expendable rockets
That's because "China" is like 10 companies each doing their own thing because they're using expendable launch companies.

Vulcan's cadence will be like 24 a year soon, it's not as hard as you think once you have your supply chain and manufacturing/logistics sorted out

>>16748618
>Vulcan's cadence will be like 24 a year soon
source?

>>16748609
Yeah, but most of those companies are still in their infancy, half of them haven't launched a single rocket yet, the half that do, only have small lift rockets in service, and are still in the middle of ramping up. Landspace is the most mature of them, and they're still at a launchrate of 1 launch every 3-5 months. The state agencies are still 80% of the launches. In a year or two, China's launch rate will more than double just from all the private companies starting to make their maiden launch and ramping up, no reusable rockets needed, just a truckload of expendable rockets from a dozen different companies.

Once they do eventually get reusable rockets, the issues will be with payload availability and launchpad availability more than anything else. We could be looking at hundreds of launches a year, if China can find enough stuff for her rockets to launch. They are certainly building out a lot of launchpads.

>>16748631
>Tory Bruno
not a reliable source

>>16746735
>puts ladder in front of the hatch
basic ksp mistake

>>16748697
How does SpaceX expect Starship to be rapidly reusable when their tiles are always such a mess?

>>16748725
they're kicking the can down the road, hoping it wont be a problem along the way

>>16748725
Falcon 9 is developed by SpaceX. It is a successful vehicle. Starship is also developed by SpaceX. Therefore it will also be successful.
Name the fallacy here.

>>16748609
>nooooo your country has a dozen different rocket producers this is illegal stop overproduction of launch vehicles NOW

>>16748745
trick question, this is a logically sound argument.

>>16748745
The reasoning relies on a False Analogy. The success of one vehicle (Falcon 9) does not logically guarantee the success of another (Starship), despite both being developed by the same company, SpaceX. There are numerous factors that can influence the success of a project, and assuming success based solely on shared development origin is fallacious reasoning.

>>16748783
shut up grok nobody asked you

we're in dire need of some fantastic news

>>16748783
True, broadly speaking. However, the fact that it's a rocket developed by the same company that has made the most successful rocket in the world increases the likelihood that it will also be successful.

>>16748802
By this logic, NASA would have never fucked up the space shuttle or the SLS

>>16748791
I launched 3 out of 4 geostationary satellites in ksp this morning before I got bored and quit the game

https://x.com/stoke_space/status/1955252037999886785
>Manufacturing for Nova is in full swing — upgraded Zenith complete, Andromeda’s base heat shield wrapped, Stage 2 structural testing commences. Progress everywhere you look from the rocket factory and beyond.

>>16748813
NASA had it's fuck ups.
Even the fabled Saturn V had problems.
Apollo 6 second stage had engine failures, 3rd stage failed completely.

Saturn was really the exception when it came to reliable NASA rockets. Their launch records before and after have been pitiful.

If you want to argue Starship's success, it took them five flights to land a booster and only 1 actual landing attempt. F9 failed 2 recoveries before a success.

>>16748492
>I think it's interesting how China is somehow able to match SpaceX's launch rate with expendable rockets

They aren't matching SpaceX's launch rate despite being an entire nation.

>>16748609
>That's because "China" is like 10 companies each doing their own thing
Lol, is this unfair to you? Like they're cheating somehow?

It's still a bit early to get stoked for Stoke.

>>16748845
The whole of the rest of America is also essentially useless. If you took Falcon 9 out of the equation, China would be massively mogging.

>>16748858
>"China is matching SpaceX's launch cadance!"
>actually they aren't
>"Well what about my moving goalposts!"

many such cases

>>16748813
>increases the likelihood
Think before speaking next time. Be a better person.

>>16748862
Cool have fun with your nations entire launch industry resting on the laurels of one good vehicle. Russia is a great example of that.

stoking my cock rn

>>16748862
also many such wumao

Still a bit early to be stokin my cock

West Coast Jellyfish sky tonight or no?

>>16748845
>>16748862
The point is that they’re at 70% of SpaceX’s rate launch despite their commercial sector still being at their infancy and with only expendable rockets. It’s like watching someone being able to keep up with a professional cyclist while being on a unicycle. You have to think “what if that guy also had a bicycle, he would be racing ahead”

>>16748885
They're not even at half of SpaceX's launch rate this year so far.

>>16748885
>infancy
stopped reading there, Mao.

>>16748888
Not in mass to LEO, but in total launches they are.

>>16748892
SpaceX just had it's 100th launch of the year, and even discounting the three Starship tests that's still 97 Falcon launches for 2025 so far. The entirety of China's launch industry is currently sitting at 44 launches for the year, and if you're only looking at their commercial rocket companies that number falls to 11.

do all the falcon 9 second stages deorbit themselves into roughly the same location? is there some stretch of pacific ocean I could go to to dredge myself up a bunch of slightly scorched merlin engines?

>>16748895
Ok you’re right but that’s still almost 50% with no reusable rockets and a commercial sector that is on the verge of ramping up

>>16748901
The knowledge isn't public, but SpaceX actually lands the second stages too.

>>16748902
>a commercial sector that is on the verge of ramping up
If we're talking speculative future launch rates, the same could be said of the various US private rocket companies other than SpaceX (Rocket Lab's launch rate has been rising quite a bit over the past few years, and is already higher than any commercial Chinese company). I would caution about counting one's chickens before they hatch and just wait to see how things pan out. That's a reason why space industry watching is interesting; it's hard to predict the trajectories of these companies and who the big winners and losers will be (Boeing vs. SpaceX a decade or so ago being a good example).

>>16748904
In my backyard

>>16748885
>The point is that they’re at 70% of SpaceX’s rate launch

They aren't my ESL friend, despite how you are combining every launch provider in China into one entity.

>>16748862
The wumao has gone from "China is matching SpaceX's cadance" to "China isn't even launching at half of SpaceX's rate but they will totally ramp up!".

>took SpaceX ten years of F9 development time to land a booster
>almost ten years after that first booster landing, there's still no one else that has gotten second place despite having something to copy from and plenty of ex-SpaceXers being in the industry
What did they mean by this?

>>16748910
Having a dozen launch companies is good for eventual success. At least a few of them will succeed. That’s the Chinese model of doing business
>>16748916
SpaceX is 90% of America’s launches. No difference between the two.
>>16748920
They are kinda are, 50% using expendable rockets is a remarkable achievement.

What if they crash into eachother

>>16748924
There needs to be a real national effort to achieve such things, or in the case of SpaceX, unfiltered autism funded by endless cash.

>>16748925
The Soviets managed considerably higher launch cadences with expendable rockets in the 70s and 80s.

>>16748924
Place your bets, will blue origin or a Chinese company land the first non-SpaceX reusable rocket?

>>16748924
Unironically not economically viable unless you have extremely high cadence, and if you have such cadence you will quickly run out of paying customers and bankrupt yourself launching the other 80% of your flights for free. Sound familiar? (This is how SpaceX launch manifest works).
SpaceX has the cheat code of infinite money due to Elon's cult of personality. This allows them to operate at a gargantuan loss forever. If ULA tried to do their own megaconstellation they would go broke before turning a profit.
Obviously the elephant in the room is Bezos. He hasnt done it because hes a simp idiot.

>>16748932
>endless cash
SpaceX did not have endless cash.

>>16748935
*or at least comparable, if not considerably higher. In 1980, they had 64 launches of R-7 family rockets alone, not counting Proton and all of their other various rocket types.

>>16748937
>If ULA tried to do their own megaconstellation they would go broke before turning a profit.

Because Vulcan is optimized for high energy orbits, imagine if SpaceX only used FH for Starlink.

NASA wasting another $150 million of your money.

>Why NASA is spending time and money on a “study” contract from companies that don’t do orbital servicing or have orbital tugs is very curious.

Curious? Not really. Not really at all.

>>16748949
Do you not understand getting an independent third party to evaluate your options makes the result less incentivized to choose one option over another? This is likely money for a year of engineering time to determine if the mission is possible for less than the cost of a new Swift telescope

>>16748949
Anon there is a very large difference between 150 thousand and 150 million.

>>16748949
>$150 million
this is why I'll never take you freaks seriously

>>16748949
saar

>>16748954
AI Enabled Auto Correct feels differently. Don't fear the Future.

>>16746607 (OP)
August bros.......

>>16748936
Stoke

>>16748960
Don't worry. When this flight blows up the copium of 2 more weeks can start all over again :)

>>16748936
>blue organ
They have to launch a rocket before they can reuse it.

>>16748964
Shut the fuck up loser. You have no idea about Blue.

>>16748965
umad?

>>16748960
>SpaceX: Explosions are a Flip of the Coin

Not a lot of market confidence

>>16748149
Holy shit they are already half way to catching up with starlink!

>>16748937
I hate when old hags try to dress young

>https://x.com/planet4589/status/1954964027240575342
Is it possible for a lone Starlink launched in 2023 to casually fall down from orbit?

>>16748986
Very. All you need is a failure of the onboard ion engine, power system, or some other critical system to its function as a relay satellite to make it worthwhile to stop firing its orbital boost engine and let it reenter naturally.

>>16748924
Just break SpaceX up into two companies and then you'll have two companies that can land a rocket

https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1955344758538375648
>ULA extended the hold at T-04:30:00 as "the launch team works to complete all steps in the procedure before we can proceed into fueling." There's another planned 30-min. hold at T-00:07:00, so they may be able to preserve a launch attempt at the opening of the window.

https://x.com/PallottaPedro/status/1955340517161512991
>ARIANE 6 READY TO FLY! Arianespace's young rocket is ready to soar straight from Kourou, French Guiana. This will be the third launch of Ariane 6 and will carry a weather satellite into a polar orbit.

>>16749000
BASED! GO EUROPE! Bzw I am an American and jealouse of Europeans.

>>16748960
Who of us bought?

>>16748982
I love hags

>>16749000
GO EVROPA
>>16748997
Muttbros... Why do all our rockets keep blowing up...

They're posting AI slop instead of showing any of the work done by the engineers. And already talking about putting A6 in a museum lmao. Truly pitiful.

Also, their logo has to be in the top ten worst branding failures of any major organisation. What's the e in a circle even supposed to be? What's the dot? "Eesa"? Who is Eesa?

>>16749017
All of your answers can be found here

https://www.esa.int/About_Us/Branding_and_Partnerships/Life_story_of_the_ESA_logo

>>16749024
If you need to tell me your life story for your logo to make sense then it's a fucking shit logo.

>>16748997
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1955351475577598125
>Fueling of ULA's Vulcan rocket hasn't begun as "teams at the Cape and in Denver continue to work through the pre-fueling activities to ready the rocket and pad systems to go into cryogenic propellant loading operations."

>>16749030
God I wish this happened when it was docked to the space station. It would have been so fucking funny.

>>16749032
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1955359950152274265
>There is now less than fours hours to the opening of the hour-long launch window for the Vulcan rocket on the USSF-106 mission. A new T-0 launch time hasn't been announced, if ULA is still targeting a launch today.

>>16749059
This is probably the most critical launch ULA has ever had (for the survival of the company).

>>16749062
It's not necessarily hard it just takes time. SpaceX took 15–20 years to surpass oldpsace and got a lot of help from NASA and the military along the way. I expect newer firms to have faster development circles (as they should)

>>16749090
it has already been like 9 years

*An alligator looks up in wonder, and dreams that night of stars*

>>16749091
Most of them were just dicking around with small lift, the problem was no one at the time had the tech to build the appropriate engines (~800kN) like how everyone seems to be building them these days. The niche material science and knowhows of that has spread to many of these companies now. There was a significant chilling in the space lift market during the mid 2010s to about recently which didn't help either...

>>16749059
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1955374587191103874
>ULA is now loading liquified natural gas onto the Vulcan booster. The company says it's working "no significant issues" in the countdown and "weather conditions remain in our favor for launch." A target T-0 liftoff time hasn't been stated.

>>16749101
How is ULA light-years ahead of SpaceX????
This is a troll post don't reply

boring ass nighttime launch

>>16748631
Simply will never happen

Hello, are we getting a jellyfish today?

>>16749103
>>16748295

Returning Americans to the Moon, done correctly: make SpaceX and ULA work together. Falcon Heavy to launch to LEO the Orion spacecraft and ACES which has been retrofitted with a landing system and one refueling tanker by F9. ACES will then perform a TLI burn and start its journey to the moon. Once there it can get easily down into low lunar orbit (much higher dv than that European Service Module) where the RL10s will make a deorbit burn. ACES lander is designed to land belly down and has 32 H2/O2 (powered by waste gases not hypergols) RCS thrusters to handle any pitch, yaw and roll requirements. The crew compartment is at the front and there is an escape system which can be performed if the deorbit burn or descent phase goes wrong.

>>16748631
wow, hard to believe but vulcan may reach a break-neck launch rate of 6 per year.

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1955365270215671963
>Fueling of Vulcan Rocket is officially underway for launch of the USSF-106 mission tonight from Cape Canaveral.
>Live updates and webcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rftsSmvefY

Stream won't go live for another hour

>>16749133
>Stream won't go live for another hour
Two hours

https://x.com/dvorahfr/status/1955327380911743047?t=W5-yZ4NY3Y0pcnqYl4lGJg&s=19
HOLY FUCK IS THIS REAL? SPACEX MOVIE

>>16749000
>Launch from the equator
>Into Polar orbit
What retarded waste of a launch site is this?

>>16749138
It's a generative AI fan video dude, did you even read the tweet?

>>16749138
Love muh aislop. more low effort slop please

>>16749138
can't believe it still looks like shit

>>16748393
if you were smart you would have realized this a couple years ago

>>16749147
You're not impressed at all? The Grok AI made a full movie

>>16749173
It's not the first one I've seen.

Not gonna lie, i had to read your comments to realise it was AI.

>>16749062
maybe they should stop crying about it all day and work together to solve the problem then

>but muh capitalist secrets!!!
no.

>>16749173
I implore you to an hero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr3wkoKdpzI
>Vulcan T-1:20:00
>Ariane 6 T-1:00:00

>>16749138
Elon needs to sell spacex/tesla and just buy Grok stock

mike drop.

Main body of Ceres-2 is ~2.25-2.3m in diameter, so I guess it's some DF-41-heritage SRB.

https://x.com/torybruno/status/1955414150429151373
>L - 1 hr & 12 min. Board is green

>>16749230
did you know Amazon had negative cash flow for 15 years?

>>16749230
why would you do that to michael?

>>16749230
so like every non-nentendo consoles before the current gen, where the manufacturer takes loss with the machines and profit from subsequent purchases and subscription?

https://x.com/torybruno/status/1955415229510361417
>Weather is good. Skies clear, air is quiet

>>16749243
sunny skies and scattered flames with a 50% chance of falling nozzles

>>16749217
oh uhon no good they gonna collidee (collisions) and set of Kessler Syndrome-

> Launch is set for 8:56 pm ET

gonna be shit views not even a twilight launch

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>>16749138
its so fucking bad, made even worse by Grok Imagine being so shit compared to every other model, godamn

busy night

>>16749261
Yeah google is beating musks dick in with they're hyper realism game models. I desperately want musk to cut his losses here, it's clearly a race to the bottom with enough competent competitors. his struggle for power is cringe

oui oui

>>16749283
"we are coming up on MIKU... er... MECO!"

fuck you

>>16749273
dude should just refocus on Mars

>>16749285
migu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0kyvSZGiI
T-12:00

NGL the female Ariane commentator is goated

not many slaves in the control room tonight. must be an important launch

>still the only active launch site in the tropical region
Kino

The Ariane lady's voice makes me feel like I'm navigating the iDroid from MGSV

>>16749309
Alcantara has been such a missed opportunity. If only it had been any other country but Brazil...

>>16749309
How are they defining "tropical region"? Because the Satish Dhawan Space Centre is only 8.5 degrees further north than CSG, and India is consistently launching more rockets than Europe is.

>>16749291
He'll focus on neuralink first
If AI and Optimus is a bust, he'll change tack towards using servitors for the initial Mars colonization

why he blinged out

>>16749309
Hainan is tropical.

>>16749324
No it's a desert

>>16749317
India doesn't count

how come ariane can sync the countdown timer when they launch twice a year but spacex still can't get it right

>>16749325
Pretty green for a desert.

Clear Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkptmPiQz94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkptmPiQz94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkptmPiQz94

no on board cams... should've just gone to bed

>>16749336
yeah, lol at their janky satellite graphics. It's rotating and angled slightly from the rocket...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rftsSmvefY
L-10:00

>>16749309
It's equatorial, not tropical.

>>16749342
it's literally surrounded by palm trees

>>16749341
une minute

Never realized how "sparky" SRBs were. Those look so jank

how is Vulcan 'innovative'

Low key kino, I hate to see

new bugatti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYu1wSZevok

cgi AGAIN

USA vs Europe

Who's CGI is better?

>>16749360
Roscosmos

Well those launches were quite boring

WE ARE ALL PART OF
#TEAMFUCKINGSPACE
CONGRATS TO EUROPE AND ARIANA
LOVE FROM ALABAMA

>>16749268
I just realized how much of a twin launch this is. Both Ariane 6 and Vulcan:
>launch within minutes of each other
>first launch last year
>third launch overall
>low thrust core
>high thrust SRBs
>hydrolox upper stage
>obsolete expendable architecture

>>16749366
there isn't anything to celebrate about Arianespace

AND GOOD JOB VULCAN CHAN

Night launches are always boringer

Now that SLS, Ariane 6, Vulcan, and New Glenn beat Starship to orbit, and since Elon gave up on Starship to make/spam aislop on xitter, what is the next most anticipated rocket maiden launch?

>>16749374
sus

>>16749374
it's doing its own "F" in missing tiles...

>>16749230
Wait until he hears what a loss-leader is

>>16749378
How do native birds in the area even process something like this?

>>16749360
not the CGI, but one thing I appreciate about the ULA display: they switch from inclination/altitude to orbital parameters so we can see perigee gradually creep up above ground to orbit. I wish others did that.

>>16748588
>still seething about my thumb 2 years later
fascinating

>>16749380
Loud noises and something to avoid as soon as it gets to about 100 feet of them (too close to avoid, but their navigation hazard decision making is based solely on distance).

>>16748342
The program was moving so fast and generating so much hopium in those days

>>16749373
The only debut launch that's around the corner is Soyuz-5 at the end of this year or early next year.

>>16749393
I'm still coming down off of that high.
SN8 my lovely

>>16749373
half a dozen chinese rockets and variants supposedly have their first launch this year.
Neutron may have its first launch in September.
Daytona small launcher might launch in Q4 but I wouldn't bet on it.
Also Epsilon-S was supposed to debut this year, but their motor tests keep exploding.

>>16749393
>40 apollo missions in less than 15 years
>11 of which sent people into space
>every lunar landing was done within a 3 year period
there was plenty of room for optimism. we'll never see that again until starship is regularly flying colonists to mars.

>>16749356
Currently rating rockets

>>16749408
>until starship is regularly flying colonists to mars

>>16749430
>two

>>16749430
Elon is such a fuckin baby

>>16749430
Can Elon make Starship work instead of feuding with random nobodies on the internet?
I don't care if he can multitask, anything but Starship development is a gay waste of time.

melty mars man

anticitizen science

>>16749442
Gwen is leading the Starship program. Elon just dictates how much money and how fast.

https://x.com/jcubhilton/status/1955074002495688819?t=H7lFc2lI1IP46ioiHaaRlg&s=19
Here's a great breakdown guys. All the tweets musk tweeted today analyzed explained in categorized

>>16749501
I'm sick of hearing about musk
I haven't even checked his tweets directly for 3 years

elon who?

>>16749501
Wow Elon is so cool

spaceflight?

>>16749518
Elon posted 8 SpaceX posts

>>16749509
Elon musk

>>16749259
Of course they'd bid on a Mars commsat
>Live from Mars brought to you by Amazon

>>16749554
Meanwhile

>>16749562
Humina humina

>>16749374
I'm not flying on that

>>16749610
true, it's acting kinda sus...

We were stupid to think billionaires would ACTUALLY spend their time working on very difficult, frustrating problems.
Truth is, these billionaires have bigger titties to lick, rather than struggling with persistent challenges and very slow progress. Common sense psychology says it with get boring and a nag, losing interest as soon as the optimistic thrill wears off. They still have ventures that are actually profitable, and reality kicks in of aging, fuck it all and just kick back enjoying the perfect lives they COULD have, if it weren't for the fucking rocket issues blowing up your goddamn phone when you are high as fuck and have a boner to service

>>16749062
>>16748924

So.... why is nobody talking about the static fire Starship just had a few hours ago?

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1955549832703070593
>Workers replaced a leaking cryogenic flex hose overnight and are now leak checking it ahead of another attempt at Starship 37 engine testing today.

>>16749635
It's just gonna explode again, who cares

>>16749635
they did? I thought there was a leak

>>16749637
weird how they are testing it every day

>>16749637
What cleaning fluid is the dude between the tubing using?

>>16749649
no, they static fired it for one engine and then 6 engines like a week ago, took it back to starbase and then noticed that there was a problem with somethign (probably one of the Raptor vacuum engines that got swapped out)
but they didn't wait to check if everything was okay before starting to remove the jerry rigged testing setup and now it has taken a few days to set that up again and it seems in the haste they had some problems in making it leak proof

>>16749386
i think it's beautiful
that someone who prints out a vtuber and drags it to a beach looks like that

>>16748095
dios mio.

Anyone want to talk about Vulcan

or the payload, NTS-3?

Lots of good footage

>>16749373
USA: Maybe hopefully neutron may launch at the tail end of the year, lots to do however, none of the other have a chance
Europe: RFA seems on track for an inaugural launch at the end of the year, they're reportedly in engine integration of their launcher, all others are delayed
South Korea: HANBIT-Nano seems to be at a relatively advanced stage of develpment, I think all stages are qualiied but it hasn't even been Sent to brazil for pad check so I doubt it'll launch;
Neither of Indian small launcher in dev seem close to launch (although 2026 may be possible).

China: Zhuque 3 and Lijian 2 are likely going to be on pad in 1-2 months (ZQ-3 fully assembled, both did SF, ZQ-3 SF on pad), Tianlong 3 has its maiden launch vehicle fully assembled but there have been delays with stage testing, unsure if they make it this year,
Ceres-2 seems to be in final part of development and aiming for a september launch but there's a lot of secrecy, Pallas-1 is undergoing final assembly and aiming for October launch but SF hasn't been done, and it hasn't been on pad. CZ-12A may launch this year but there's a lot of secrecy (reportedly they're doing stage testing). CZ-10A will likely have a maiden suborbital launch since CMSA keeps their timeline.

Out of all of these most likely seem to be Zhuque 3, RFA one and Lijian 2

Subvariants:
HLVM3 (Gaganyaan's LVM3), Ariane 64, H3-30 and The final version of the GYUB South Korean military launcher could launch at the very end of the year.

>>16749722
a toy rocket flew to nowhere (LEO)

Ariane 64 will be the prettiest launcher ever.

LIVE off the coast of Tanegashima

>>16749610
This is why we test

>>16749741
>>16749742
>SRBs