Thread 16748799

>>16748799 (OP)
Okay, the way it'll actually be executed will probably be somewhat stupid, but what's wrong in principle with "indigenous people should have a chance to contribute to science too"? (Though I bet even though it's a British journal they're not including the indigenous British people, i.e. the Welsh, under that heading, because they're too pale.)

>>16748799 (OP)
I don't like institutions and I think they should be destroyed.

>>16748805
Oh yeah that’s right, they were banned from doing a science and this effort is about unbanning them. Finally merchants will be allowed to sell microscopes and computers to the injuns

We're just gonna have to wait for the next white guy incel to revolutionize the way humans see the world baka

>>16748805
Because historically they do not contribute to science, they do the opposite and roadblock it. They cry about anthropological theories that natives comes from siberians because their grandma told them a crow picked them from an oyster. They protest studying ancient native remains from before the times their tribes even had names just because they dont want any truth about white people being in america to come out (kennewick man). They have absolutely nothing to contribute beyond bean farming techniques that we already surpassed years ago

>>16748799 (OP)
The scientific method is specifically a western european invention spanning from the enlightenment era. Please stop indigenous scholars from appropriating and marginalizing our culture.

>>16748826
Whether you're legally allowed to do something and whether you actually get the opportunity are two different questions.

>>16748799 (OP)
OP declares: I only read headlines and I'm not interested in reading anything that contradicts my worldviews.

>>16749079
You say that as if there weren't even more white people doing the same shit with things like young earth creationism.

>>16749929
White people laid the foundations of all science. What have natives done? Find me one notable native scientist

>>16748805
>indigenous people should have a chance to contribute to science too
they do have a chance
nobody is stopping them

what you are asking for is for a less qualified person to substitute a more qualified person
this is basically what DEI is

if you can't see why that's wrong I can't really help you

>>16749984
It's not a question of just giving them the job automatically, it's a matter of helping them access the resources that would enable them to qualify.

>>16748805
They do have a chance. Peer review is blinded.

>>16749986
They have access to the resources. Everyone does. It's called knowledge, and is available at your fingertips on a phone in your pocket that connects to the internet.

>>16749994
But it's harder for them to access good educational opportunities, because public schools in the US are funded by local taxes, so poor people go to crappy schools, and also because they're more likely to have a hard home life that makes learning difficult, again because poverty.

>>16749986
if you are implying that education should be free for everyone you might have a point, but still even in the USA system, they can take a student loan like everyone else does, can they not?

but also if they were really good they could have gotten a scholarship

and also what >>16749996 suggests
if you studied really hard on your own you could contribute by bypassing the jewish academia requirements

so what exactly are those resources that they are barred from accessing?

Dude, for decades biomedical research used almost exclusively male lab mice because researchers didn’t want the “messy” hormonal fluctuations of females to “corrupt” the data. The result? Drugs, cosmetics, and treatments that were tested and found “safe” later caused allergic reactions, side effects, or even poisoning in women because their biology wasn’t considered in the earliest research stages.

That’s what happens when science is not inclusive: blind spots become baked into our data and our conclusions. Diversity in science isn’t a distraction—it’s a safeguard against those blind spots. A broader range of perspectives and experiences helps us see what a homogenous group might miss, leading to more accurate science. You'd idiots know this if you weren't racist fuckwits.

>>16749984
he isnt even asking for that, hes asking for 'native voices' to be heard in scientific fields. that means wackadoodle bullshit mythology about giant snake ladies raping a little boy are going to be accepted as plausible scientific theories

>>16748805
the w*lsh should never be included

>>16750039
Why not? They were in Britain before the English were.

>>16748799 (OP)
This has actually happened before

The works of Plato and Aristotle are the groundwork of all rational thinking more or less, and they wrote them down in very clear and easy to understand books, it's difficult to misinterpret what they meant.
However, for over a thousand years, medieval theologians completely misinterpreted their works to be all about theology and not reason.
As a result, the dark ages.

The same is happening for science today. Every practice, every term and concept is being redefined to mean meaningless things. Already, "scientists" have become essentially priests, they have no interest in the scientific method, they just operate on their intuition which they are sure is infallible, and they call that the scientific method.
Within a few generations, any attempts at actual science will be nothing but a faint memory. Scientists will be a full priestly class. Newton's laws of thermodynamics will become liturgical prayers, they won't actually know what any of the words mean but will be certain that they ward off disease or something.
Mathematical formulas will be seen as the new defacto satanic curses, and anyone caught writing them will be stoned.
This will continue indefinitely, perhaps another thousand years, until society finds its new Francis Bacon

>>16750059
The dark ages are because people didn't listen to plato? The meathead who couldn't even gain admittance into the mystery school because he thought flexing was a valid argument?

>>16750081
They had access to Aristotle's entire organon, the groundwork of formal logic, laid bare, and yet despite spending over a milennia treating it on par with the gospels, they completely failed to do anything logical whatsoever and jerked themselves off with complete nonsense like
>god is perfect
>a perfect thing must exist
>therefore god exists

>>16749929
Yes and we laugh at them, just as we should laugh at brown anti-science.

>>16750019
Thats fucking retarded though. This is the mentality of a theocrat. So maybe we needed different mice but have we not progressed? If you went back in time and mandated mice of every persuasion would we be better off, or would the additional complexity of experiments have inhibited breakthroughs? The inquisitors who suppressed Galileo were just as confident that science must conform to their particular moral framework.

>>16750059
Aristotle? The person who thought heavy objects fall faster because it's just common sense and never bothered actually testing it?

>>16750311
His deduction was reasonable with the information he had available to him. If he had access to an environment without air resistance, he would have come to a different conclusion
What isn't reasonable is "reasoning" that god exists from two non-sensical arguments.

>>16750323
Galileo didn't have access to an environment without air resistance, he just dropped two stones of different sizes from the top of a tower.

>>16750324
Galileo spent a lifetime diving deep into the mathematics that other mathematicians had spent their lifetimes dedidacted to, all of which was founded on sound axioms. Aristotle did not possess that information but if he had and had studied it extensively enough, he too would have come to the same conclusions as Galileo.

The point that you're missing here is that it's a difference of approach. Aristotle was a logical thinker, who came to conclusions based on what was irrefutable according to the arguments.
Medieval theologians were not, they chose to believe, with no evidence, that God is real, and they spent a thousand years twisting and distorting Aristotle's works to make that argument, in their minds, sound, and in doing so they rejected reason alltogether.

>>16750328
I wasn't under the impression Aristotle was an atheist.

>>16750330
Aristotle was not a christian

>>16750332
No, but he believed in some sort of deity or deities, didn't he?

>>16750334
doubtful
Even if he did, it would have been at threat of execution for not believing, but if he dared to investigate it, he would have definitely concluded that god is not real, because there is no evidence for it, nor any rational argument for it

>>16748805
Are there any laws in the past 50 years saying indigenous people are not allowed to participate in academy or science?

If those laws don't exist then there is no need to do anything. Its up to the individual to apply themselves.

>>16750344
Being legally allowed to do something is not the same thing as actually having the opportunity to. See above discussion.

>>16750347
It literally does.
Are you retarded?
The only roadblock to doing what you want is whether you are legally permissible to do it, and if the institution will allow you to join.

There are zero western institutions with a no native policy.
If you are a native whatever station you are at in life is on you. Maybe you should have studied harder in school and gotten into university.

Stop expecting society to cater to your inability to pull up your own bootstraps.

>>16750351
"Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" was literally coined as an example of something impossible to do.

>>16750352
Doug and eric grew up in the same neighboorhood
They went to the same school
Doug applied himself and is now a software engineer for google making 300k a year
Eric is a dishwasher at some pub

Whats more likely.

Society decided to discriminate eric and let doug succeed, or they both had the same opportunity but Doug worked harder thus has a better life.


If eric did a better job pulling up his own bootstraps he would be doing better than a min wage dishwasher.
>but that doesn't exist, society clearly discriminated agaisnt him.

>>16750354
dougs name was actually dugjeet. he molested his sister at age 14 when she was a toddler. every single person working as a software engineer in dug and erics hometown is indian. eric asked a few too many questions while he was in college and got dropped from a few too many classes by mexican professors with a chip on their shoulder against white people (especially men). now eric is lucky to have his dishwasher pub job

>>16748805
There's nothing wrong with that principle.

>>16750370
I mean yes you are right but you don't start there when dealing with people like who I was talking to

>>16748799 (OP)
based. There's only 2 options

1. peace and harmony
2. endless genocide

the right wing wiggers are too dumb to understand how the elites are justly and rightfully (by their own philosophy) applying 2 to them (as well as other people)

the left wing wiggers are too dumb to understand how the elites who claim to support 1 support 2

Basically, with wiggers you lose. They've had 500 years and literally 90% of the world's wealth to change stuff, and this is where we're at. The world can literally only be properly led by some non-white race, or a mixture of them.

>>16750381
Your axioms rebut your own conclusion lol

>>16748799 (OP)
Anybody remember when Nature was about science and not the globohomo woke political agenda?

>>16750271
Did you miss the point of my post? We NEED different perspectives in science or it tunnel visions and loses out on important discoveries. Still, what can you expect from a racist midwit?

>16750381
Somebody drank the koolaid.

>We need diversity because the races are identical!
>In fact there is not such thing as race because we are all the same!
>And that's why diversity is important, because we are all different!

>>16750396
Yes, every time I look up a paper from last century that follows from a reference.

>>16750397
What scientific breakthroughs is a black man capable of producing that a white man isn't?

>>16750399
>my pet rock I like talking about
>something nobody cares about
>conclusion I pulled out of my own ass
lol retard.

>>16750019
>The result? Drugs, cosmetics, and treatments that were tested and found “safe” later caused allergic reactions, side effects, or even poisoning in women

And I care why?

>>16750403
NTA and the answer is none, no one is capable of anything because of their race. My proof is literally look at the people around you lol

>>16750344
>>16750351
>>16750354
you should be agreeing with the guy you're arguing with. i've personally experienced the quarter-billion dollar schools (with 50% graduation rates because spiggs are restarted lol) that get put in high-density metropolitan areas and talked with poorer white people from southern and midwestern states who have had to put up with total horrorshows for public schools. the person you are arguing with is supporting better opportunities, resources, and schooling for people in less-fortunate, lower-income areas like most red-voting counties, which may contain mostly white people but also many of the blacks and heya heya hoya hoyas.

i lived within walking distance of multiple places to buy smartphones and have computers repaired. more than one of my schools had multiple computer rooms with 30+ brand new apple imacs. in the same years that i went to these schools, i knew white people that had to put up with fighting for timeshare on the one of the 4 pcs with win 98 se on them, or the nearest place to get something with internet connectivity being a 2 hour drive away, or someone whose only option for home internet was 100 kb/s satellite (nobody would even entertain the idea of running a line out to them).

please stop (accidentally?) advocating against your own kind because... fuck if i know. you've been lucky enough to live in places with plenty of resources? you're that intent on sticking it to the groids?

>>16750448
No one is advocating to help out the poorer people.

It is about helping people who are not white. Regardless of their finances.

>>16750458
hi, my source is that i read these posts
>>16749927
>>16749986
>>16750000
and didn't read them assuming the worst possible interpretation

also i checked the original article (how the fuck does it have 8 authors lmfao) and while it's mostly buzzword newspeak bullshit it has a couple good points

my main point, however, is that there are in fact a decent chunk of "dei" initiatives that are actually beneficial to whites and poors, such as trying to increase funding to schools in poorer areas, that receive insane counterpropaganda because of people comically missing the point, which can be seen in this very thread, including a guy stubbornly asserting a scenario in which two people went to the same school in the same neighborhood (lol) as a proxy for everyone having the same fair conditions (even more lol) even though the guy he was arguing with was advocating a completely different thing.

meanwhile we've had a couple years of universities dispreferentially enrolling men, whites, and asians.
inner cities full of basketballers get the expensive schools and white counties and states get fuck all. very fair

this is like when repubs advocate against trains, the single most based form of transit, because cars mean freedom (insert red-tailed hawk call) or some shit. usa could be number 1 in literally everything if not for the uniparty i fucking hate this timeline

>>16750474
and how many of those "whites" are jews?

>>16750475
what in the mcfuck are you even replying to

It's fair to say that most Americans are white and that most American employers who use race as a hiring criterion use it to exclude white Americans. Is it not fair to say that? So obviously America hates itself more than it likes itself.

>>16748799 (OP)
Science should be a pure meritocracy and also perfectly anonymous. Becauye no matter what you do, the average human always gravitates to ad-hominem, in positive as well as negative.

>>16750403
Peanut butter and rap music. Checkmate, racist.

>>16750000
Nigga I went to a dogshit school and had retarded parents from a broken home, yet still went to college and got a PhD. Skill issues everywhere.
>Inb4 nobody cares about sob story
It's not about sympathy. It's about painting a picture that the environment I was in was objectively crap, yet I still found a successful career in academia. Why didn't those barriers stop me?

>>16750019
>Drugs, cosmetics, and treatments that were tested and found “safe” later caused allergic reactions, side effects, or even poisoning in women because their biology wasn’t considered in the earliest research stages.
Proof? This sounds as made up as the myth that all human fetuses start as females.

>>16749496
Lol, it's not. Feel free to look into the history of optics, chemistry, astronomy etc.

>>16750536
>Look into these things that predates the scientific method as an example of the scientific method.
The fuck is wrong with you?

>>16750397
Either race is a social construct not based in reality or it's not.

Science generally agrees that it is. Thankfully so, as the existence of race opens the door to measurable statistically relevant differences alongside the question of how to allocate finite educational investments.

Let's agree to create equality of opportunity regardless of personal privilege and leave identity policies out of the discussion.

>>16750542
The statistics show that black people are more violent and less intelligent than white people. Note that does not mean that all whites are superior to blacks. Just on average as a general basis.

Given that, how does it not make sense to redirect finite resources to the superior group that can make better use of those resources?

>>16750526
how the fuck are you so successful but still run the "I will use an anecdote to disprove the generalization" midwit gambit

>>16750544
You know how the people who oppose illegal immigration the most are legal immigrants?

The people who oppose DEI and affirmative action the most are the lower income colored people who despite their lower income (the only metric that actually matters, income is a real barrier, skin color has had zero relevancys in barriers in atleast 50 years) still managed to pull themselves out, apply themselves, and success as a functioning person. They didn't need no hand outs and they know tyrone doesn't need hand outs either, he just needs to make better life decisions.

Its that simple.

>>16750540
Ibn al-Haytham pioneering the modern scientific method while creating optics. Al-Jabbar's hypothesis based investigations investigations in chemistry. Etc etc

>>16750543
Thankfully science has concluded that race does not exist in a biological sense

>>16750556
The same science that concluded thalidomide and the covid vaccines were safe?

>>16750559
I don't seem to be making myself clear.

Let's try a thought experiment. If you were to walk from Paris to New Delhi when would you stop considering population around you to be White?

>>16750546
hi yes i largely agree but disagree with your conclusions. geography also matters, and income is also a proxy for geography (cost of living, property values &c)

since we're doing the distill-ideas-down thing: have you never wondered if the highest human intellect in all history was simply unlucky enough to be born a, let's say, viet peasant right before they got truck-kun'd by china for a millennium?

you and many others (plenty of others—probably a decent chunk of the us's white aerospace industry whose grandparents grew up with horse-drawn carts to school and who themselves went to fuckass schools like you) made it on sheer headstrong will and personal merit, but also there were many, many of those who made it there because the us took special care with funding the school system because they were afraid they were going to fall behind the reds. reforming curricula (new math, right? the reason americans refer to integers and whole numbers as different things?), the huge spike of university students in the 1960s...

i wouldn't be surprised if the huge education outlay was reason the us pulled so far ahead technology-wise in the 80s and 90s. aegis combat system, m1 abrams, raptor, sts (even if it was gay and killed two crews), b777, the nuclear plant boom—look, i just want to do what clearly worked before

what we're doing now with this wetbacks get quarter-billion-dollar schools and poor whites get 20-year-old textbooks with no covers, women get hired to fortune companies on the power of ovaries, children are helicopter parented and get zero independence, no trains, unlimited illegal immigration, replace americans with poverty waged h-1b workers shit clearly isn't working.

american infrastructure is dying like a bitch, six gorillion regulations lie in the way of new fission plants and lithium mining, tens of thousands of smes in tens of fields are aging out of the workforce. what now?

>>16750570
>inb4 why did you include ukraine
Slavs are not white. They are obviously more white than arabs and pajeets, but they are not white.

>>16750575
Also sorry I should have included poland in the circle.

I also should have did two circles. The larger circle and a smaller circle in inside that circle to differentiate the mutts from the slavs.

>>16750577
I see.

To clarify are arabs more or less white than indians?

>>16750593
the difference is negligible.
I'd prolly rather my kids be babysit by an arab than by a pajeet tho.

>>16750598
>>16750593
now thats not to say there is anything wrong with arabs. Its mostly the islamic extremists that are problematic.

"Agenda" could mean doing research that would help the indigenous community, but sure go "non-whites bad" all u want.

>>16750599
Ok so would it be wrong to characterize your view as central Europeans are true whites and the degree of whiteness falls as one moves away from central Europe?

>>16750610
>degree of whiteness
There is no geographic degree of whiteness. Except for maybe slavs and southern Italians.

You are either white, a mutt, or a pure blood of another race.

>>16750614
Thanks for the clarification.

Wouldn't the existence of muts implie racial gradients?

>>16750617
Racial gradients is the wrong word, but I understand what you are trying for but its not the same.

Obama is neither white nor black. He is a mutt.

>>16750620
Interesting.

Would a mutt with two arab grand parents and two white grand parents be as arab as a mutt with three arab grand parents and one white grand parent?

How many generations of pure breeding are needed to be purely one race?

>>16750624
Surely there must be degrees of muttness, no?

>>16750624
>>16750626
1 drop policy is all that really matters.

>>16750599
imo the more-than-tacit acceptance of their extremists by their moderates is very, very meaningful

islam has not yet has its reformation

>>16750628
I mean yes but those are not true moderates just crypto extremists.

Its been proven in the UK and other countries with towns with a large muslim population that as the muslim population starts increasing so called moderates start to feel more comfortable with exposing themselves as religious extremists and empathizing with jihadists.

>>16750628
The religion thrust is intriguing but tangential.

If the one drop rule is all that matters, would whites be Neanderthals then? Central Europeans average around 2% Neanderthal DNA in their genomes.

>>16750551
Oh, you're arab. Don't you have to go pray to Aisha five times a day?

>>16750544
Nigerian immigrants are arrested and pulled over about on par with whites, which is much lower than American blacks who allegedly get racially profiled. The point is that there is countless evidence against every single one of these systemic barriers that allegedly exist. My family and friends encouraged me to use handouts and to leech off the government. I had to abandon those relationships and chase knowledge instead. It was a personal choice and one that not everyone makes. If that choice didn't exist however (handouts not an option), then more people would be motivated to make something of themselves. Consider the following: middle eastern countries where women are oppressed have the highest representation of women in stem. Why? Because they're looking to punch their ticket out.

>>16750624
how many grains of sand does it take to make a heap?

>>16749986
Le accesserino to the resourceino has been official doctrine with 60+ years. The less white and male you are, the more resourcerinos are poured on you every single year, and it never changes anything

>>16750798
>it never changes anything
the quality of education, services, public infrastructure and manufactured goods have been going down

>>16750797
Four. On a microscopic time scale if four grains were in an hourglass, the four would behave as a heap until one fell, at which point three behave as grains. There was a math paper I found about a decade ago that showed N=4 particles interacted more similarly to N= ∞ than it did N= 2. So N= 4 was declared to be the separation between discrete and continuum mechanics

>>16750807
lol. alright, then i will wait for a phylogeneticist to publish the exact combination of genes it takes for someone to be a "mutt"

>>16750354
Or Eric had a crappy home life that made it harder to apply himself to study. Or Doug had connections. Or Doug was just smarter- even granting that we need to incentivize getting the smart people into the jobs where they're of the most use, that doesn't mean the lower-IQ people should have to suffer for something they had no control over. (And all of these explanations can coexist with Doug having worked harder- more than one factor can contribute to an outcome!)

>>16750399
You don't have to think the "racial" classifications of American culture are literally accurate (they're a crude approximation of messy underlying biological reality at best) to think that there's such a thing as African-American culture, Indian culture etc. and that people coming from those cultures might be able to contribute perspectives that don't come as easily to those in the majority culture.

>>16750546
Making all the right decisions can improve your chances of escaping poverty, but there's still a significant element of luck.

>>16750760
Not even that anon, but I accept your concession on his behalf.

>>16750798
Or, you know, those in power have no incentive to actually materially help redress historic inequalities, just to make it look like they are.

>>16749986
This has nothing to do with science, it's a social problem that regards the access to education.

>>16751114
How science is done and by whom has nothing to do with science?

>>16750798
Yeah pretty much, what they want is "diversity", not equality.

>>16751117
It certainly has little to do with the race of the people or their socioeconomic background.
There are 2 different problems here: One is access to education for poor people, and the other is DEI selections in academia. You're proposing there's nothing wrong or discriminatory in giving access to these resources to people, and you're correct, but that's not related to Academia.
The only thing Academia can do is discriminate people based on race, which is the bad way of doing things.

>>16750019
How do you equate diversity of samples with diversity of researchers lmao, you really think this is a serious argument? I expect to see this on reddit, not here.

>>16750354
Doug and Eric are brothers.
They went to the same school.
They went to the same college.
They both studied Computer Science.
They both got good grades.

Doug, the older brother, graduated in 2021 and immediately landed a job at Google making 185k a year. He now is L4 at google with over 300k TC. His google stock appreciated greatly in the 4 years he has worked there, netting him a significant bump to his net worth.

Eric, the younger brother, graduated in 2024. He has yet to find a CS job and has been working at the local grocery store in the meantime. He still lives with his parents.

>>16751071
You seem to be very US centric when talking about majorities, which is ironic in itself.

>>16750458
They claim is not about helping anyone anymore, but that having people with different skin colors bring new perspectives.
The whole justification for this is a gut feeling really, but that's because the intention behind this isn't what they say it is.

>>16751145
This one is actually realistic.

>>16751148
I live in the US, it's the country whose situation I know best.

>>16751157
they like to soften crackpot brown 'science' by cushioning it with little terms like these. 'brown perspectives'. I remember some anthropology article that was denouncing the 'we wuz kangs' meme for 'silencing black voices in their aspirations to discover their history'. thats what they mean by giving a voice to different skin colors, they mean letting crackhead street apes who think aliens are white people and that the moon is a hologram made by the KKK have any say in science

>>16750632
Never seen a racist convinced by logic before

>>16751065
>that doesn't mean the lower-IQ people should have to suffer for something they had no control over.
the act of breathing does not entitle you to handouts

>>16751145
Truth

>>16751187
Which underscores the point that you're experiences color you're implicit biases

>>16751525
Actually it should entitle you to an opportunity for an honest, comfortable, and dignified living

>>16751078
Based

>>16751525
No, but if we can prevent people from starving without causing other people to starve, shouldn't we do so?

>>16750556
Science has concluded the exact opposite.
Race is real, objectively measurable, and pretty much exactly what we always thought it was.
There's literally nothing here to dispute. Genetic clustering and self-identified race correspond virtually perfectly.
Anyone who says race isn't real is illiterate, a liar, or retarded.

>>16751535
>Muh moral duty.
Can I ask if you are part of the party that mercilessly butcher 2500 babies a day in the US?

>>16751539
Isn't there considerably more genetic diversity within subsaharan Africa than outside of it? (Though that's not to say I can't believe those whose ancestors were brought to America as slaves form a distinct cluster.)

>>16751541
Suppose if you were so unlucky as to be born with limited intelligence and no talents. Would you want to be left to starve on that basis?

>>16751545
Democrats should all be taxed an extra 50% of their yearly income to support all the handouts they advocate. I think if they were forced to do this, they would stop being so retarded.

>>16751535
not if it involves taking away property and resources from people who own those properties and resources.

Why havent you sold your possessions like your TV and extra clothes and only own a matress a pillow and blanket and some basic food, and sell the rest and give it to starving kids in africa if thats so important to you?

>>16751532
Yes and it. And then people get to make individual decisions and apply themselves. Everyone is responsible for themselves.

People are applied themselves should never have to bail out the people who did not apply themselves. Thats morally wrong.

There is more slavery on earth now than there has every been in all of history.
Democrats don't give a fuck because it isn't White people doing it.
They don't hate slavery; they just hate Whites.

>>16751545
Id rather starve than steal from others.

>>16751553
>Id rather starve than steal from others.
Same. I don't want to be a parasite.

>>16751548
...you know most of the states contributing more in federal taxes than they receive in federal funding are blue and vice versa right?
>>16751549
Because individual action without systemic change will never end poverty.
>>16751553
Suppose if you were disabled and literally couldn't work?

>>16751553
>>16751554
Easy to say that now when you have food on the table.

>>16751555
>...you know most of the states contributing more in federal taxes than they receive in federal funding are blue and vice versa right?
Actually this has been shown repeatedly to be false.

>>16751555
my dad was grown in a trailer park to a piss poor family with an abusive dad.

He became a waitor, then a car salesman to a business manager. He now owns a house and a lake, and is going to retire in mexico soon.

He was never given any handouts. He was not giving any affirmatife actions grants or anything like that.

He single handled lifted himself out of poverty.

Theres no reason why an non mentally function able person can't do the same.

>>16751556
>I assume I know your life story because you are White.

>>16751556
>>16751555
Theft is evil.
I do not commit evil things on people as I am not an evil person.

A little alarming you are advocating to people and governments to be evil.

>>16751558
Yes, he lived in a time where (white, male) Americans could do that if they were moderately lucky.
>>16751560
You're telling me you're actively starving but you can afford internet?
>>16751562
Are all taxes evil?

>>16751562
He also argues like a child: "IF YOU WERE HUNGRY, YOU WOULD CHEAT AND STEAL."
Even if that were true of me, that wouldn't make it morally right.

>>16751564
Again: Are all taxes evil?

>>16751563
I'm saying that unlike a corrupt, evil piece of crap like you, I don't scam society for all I can get. My self-denial proves my ethics.

>>16751566
>Hold this strawman while I try to prop up my position.

>>16751568
I don't either, but some people are disabled. What should happen to them?

>>16751563
there was nothing stopping a black woman from doing the same, she just decided to stay in the innercity and hang out with her ghetto thug friends instead of working hard and improving your life.

>>16751570
Do you think taxation is theft or don't you? If not, what exactly is your criterion for which taxes are and aren't evil?

>>16751571
>What should happen to them?
Democrats should be forced to give up half their income to support those people.
I should not because I literally don't care about them.
(Neither do you, but I can be honest whereas you cannot.)

>>16751572
Discrimination being illegal in theory doesn't mean there weren't (or aren't still) a lot of people who were less willing to hire her in practice.

>>16751566
Yes
Ancap is the only non evil way of building a modern post technology society.

>>16751571
Charities and catholic hospitals will look after them.

It is not my job to pay for all the cripples in the world.

>>16751575
to bad for you. Keep trying other places.
No need to make a law forcing people that they have to accept every shanniqya that wants a job.

>>16751575
There are literally laws forcing companies to hire non-Whites and women. And that unjust discrimination is somehow PROOF to you that White males are the ones receiving undo privileges.
How is a person to reason with someone this deluded?

>>16751581
You have to realize this person who you are talking to hates the concept of succes hardwork and pulling your own bootstraps.

He thinks the act of breathing entitles him to the same quality of life has Bill Gates has.

>>16751584
It's amazing, absolutely amazing to me the worldview of people like him.
He's convinced the world owes his hypothetical black woman a job because she exists.

I literally don't care if disabled people can't get by.
I don't care about the light bulbs that burn out in my house.
I don't care about the gazelles being eaten by lions.
And I don't care about people who somehow can't function in this world.
And neither does anyone on the left, so spare me any indignation.
They sit in their comfy home, typing away on their computer, lecturing me on morality, when they could be giving way their wealth and income, volunteering all their spare time to fight these supposed injustices they CLAIM to care about.
There are way, way, way too many people to care about. Anyone pretending they do is deluded. Such a person would be completely unable to function.
So it's all like some kind of kooky leftard religion, or a cult. Virtue signalling about caring for the vulnerable while literally murdering babies in the womb.

>>16750000
Asians in the US did it, they overcame.

They can do any science they want. What is stopping them? Why do they need white institutions to do science? Just make your own like China and Japan did. I mean you are the ones crying about white people "appropriating" brown culture and "stealing" black inventions. Invent your own shit and keep it to yourself. We wont mind

>>16748805
unalive urself

>>16751577
You can go move to Somalia if you like.

>>16751579
And if private charity ends up not sufficing?
>>16751580
The law isn't that they have to accept every single applicant if they happen to be black, it's that they're not allowed to openly discriminate on the basis of race, or have a pattern of preferring white applicants over equally or more qualified black ones.
>>16751581
Affirmative action laws are meant to counterbalance prejudice among hirers.
>>16751584
I think no one should starve for reasons that aren't their fault.

>>16751592
>They sit in their comfy home, typing away on their computer, lecturing me on morality, when they could be giving way their wealth and income, volunteering all their spare time to fight these supposed injustices they CLAIM to care about.
Again, individual action will never solve systemic problems.

>>16751592
>just donate all your money bro!
That won't fix the problem of inequality. If I gave away all my possessions it wouldn't pay for people's medical care, nor would working at a soup kitchen give someone insulin. Like most right wingers you've got no understanding of the problems and reduce everything to impractical simple solutions.