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Anonymous No.16748843 >>16748850 >>16748856 >>16749332 >>16749728 >>16751596 >>16752653 >>16753535 >>16753552 >>16754329 >>16760347 >>16760396 >>16762410 >>16774148 >>16774280 >>16777913 >>16781334 >>16781342
James Stewart was a monster
Anonymous No.16748850 >>16754329 >>16756334
>>16748843 (OP)
Stewart's calculus will be remembered longer than Euclid's Elements, mark my words. Let the rudincels cope and seethe
Anonymous No.16748856 >>16748864
>>16748843 (OP)
That's an interesting and challenging problem.
I may try to solve it.
There may be three cases.
Anonymous No.16748864 >>16755719
>>16748856
There are only two cases.
Anonymous No.16748884
wild guess but h*sin(ฮธ)
Dede !!0qsInYyhvhe No.16748911
Total square area of Cone minus square area of a sphere with radius X divided by two.

Total square area of Cone = Y
Total square area of Sphere = Z
Radius of sphere = X

Examine Your Zipper, nerd.
Dede !!0qsInYyhvhe No.16748912
Y - Z/2 = Answer
Anonymous No.16748913
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Anonymous No.16749005 >>16749757 >>16750443 >>16764551 >>16779265
chatgpt solved it in 40 seconds. how long does it take you?
Anonymous No.16749332
>>16748843 (OP)
At the time I thought such questions were dumb and needlessly contrived but the truth is that it was good they had problems like that.
Anonymous No.16749363 >>16749367 >>16749553 >>16749555 >>16749565 >>16753988 >>16754058 >>16754710 >>16754989
INTERESTING CALC 2 CHALLENGE PROBLEM (by me)
given a ketchup cup of radius R and height L, what angle [math]\theta[/math]should you unfold the cup to maximize that sweet red glop?
Anonymous No.16749367 >>16753988 >>16753993
>>16749363
i came up with this problem and worked out its solution years ago when i first learned that you could unfold the damn things.
it's a problem i'd put on a final because it has a non-trivial solution and utilizes most concepts one has learned up to that point very nicely
Anonymous No.16749553 >>16749555 >>16749573
>>16749363
You filtered me. Then again my formal education only goes as as far as trig. All my calculus is self-taught.
Without something linking the length of L in terms of R or vice versa I can get to a (probably wrong) derivative function pictured. There's probably some identities I could utilize to simplify things a bit more but I realized I probably already fucked up somewhere and it doesn't matter anyway because I'm gonna need to play this game where R/L > [whatever the fuck] and I just kinda said "fuck it."
Anonymous No.16749555 >>16749573
>>16749553
>>16749363
Oh, and I probably vastly overcomplicated things anyway. But that's typical novice shit.
Anonymous No.16749565 >>16749573
>>16749363
You don't need that much ketchup.
Anonymous No.16749573 >>16749581 >>16749582
>>16749553
>>16749555
it's important to sanity check things you derive
one obvious check is that theta=0 and theta=pi should result in 0 volume

since you only supplied what you think is the derivative, a quick glance shows the first term is tends to infinity at both theta=0 and theta=pi, which should instantly be throwing up red flags

>>16749565
keetchuuup
Anonymous No.16749581 >>16749582
>>16749573
Yeah, I'm pretty much positive I made an algebra error somewhere.

To clarify my thought process:
>n = theta - 90
>area of cone section: (1/3)((pi)hk^2)-(1/3)((cot(n))/(R))(pi)(R^2) where h is the height of the whole cone and k is the radius of the circle opened by L's angle about R.
>k = R+Lsin(n)
>h = (L + Rcsc(n))sec(n)

Everything else I did followed from there.
(note: the derivative function I showed was for theta - 90 and not theta itself. but I'm drinking and can't be fucked to evaluate whether that matters)
Anonymous No.16749582 >>16749587
>>16749573
>>16749581
90 as in 90 degrees btw. I didn't get far enough to care about radians vs degrees in this particular problem though obviously I should have stuck with radians (so (pi)/2)
Anonymous No.16749587 >>16749593
>>16749582
>90 as in 90 degrees
of course. i roll over that automatically.
i'm working out the problem at the moment for fun. i'll post it when i finish.
Anonymous No.16749593
>>16749587
My nigga in science. You posted this problem and don't know the solution? I would have figured you worked it out before posing it to us my melanated fren.

You're good. I'm still learning myself. My current goal is wrapping my head around the Fourier transform, which I feel deliciously close to accomplishing.

But what your problem requires is multivariable functions, which is cool, but very quickly becomes more "pain in the ass" than "interesting" in 90% of cases.
Anonymous No.16749609
i've got the expression for the volume of the ketchup cup, but the derivative isn't as nice as i remember it being such that you can solve directly for the angle. i'll check it again tomorrow, but it's too late now to continue
Anonymous No.16749666
Turns out I don't know calculus.
Anonymous No.16749728
>>16748843 (OP)
R = infinity
Anonymous No.16749757
>>16749005
I solved it using intuition in about 3 seconds
Anonymous No.16749823 >>16750206
Without spoiling yhe problem for me, can someone tell me if cutting this down to 2 dimensions is valid? I e. Triangle and circle?
Anonymous No.16750206 >>16750221
>>16749823
both are rotation volumes so it should be okay?
calculate some areas
I know a guy who went to econ school, he'd throw the thing in Excel and do a monte carlo on it
Anonymous No.16750221 >>16750225
>>16750206
the lengths people will go to not think are astounding
Anonymous No.16750225
>>16750221
numerical integration is a very respected field of mathematics
Anonymous No.16750327 >>16753861 >>16764551
[math]r = \frac{h}{1+\frac{\cos2\theta}{\sin\theta}}[/math]
Anonymous No.16750443 >>16754336 >>16761387
>>16749005
chatgpt didn't solve it
it copy pasted the answer
that's like saying google search solved it
Anonymous No.16750461
>angle is more than 90
>all the water falls out
huh?
Anonymous No.16750463 >>16750532
Trig is chemistry tier mindnumbing
Anonymous No.16750532
>>16750463
trig is easy and useful and isn't a pile of misleading rules of thumb that give a skewed impression of reality
Anonymous No.16751596
>>16748843 (OP)
It's icecream. It's a trick question you idiots.
Anonymous No.16752653
>>16748843 (OP)
What about when csc(theta) = 4?
Anonymous No.16753061
p = volume(largest fully-submerged sphere)
q = volume(largest half-submerged sphere)
If sin(theta) = 2^(1/3) โ€“ 1, then p = q/2.
Anonymous No.16753535 >>16753850
>>16748843 (OP)
Stewart was a publishing-industrial-complex shekels grifter.
Boring, soulless exercises for computational midwits.
Anonymous No.16753552 >>16754969 >>16757412 >>16779993
>>16748843 (OP)

case 1: wet top
if r <= h/(csc(t) + 1) then
v = v_1 = 4*pi*r^3/3

case 2: dry top and wet equator
if h/(csc(t) + 1) <= r <= h*sin(t) then
v = v_2 = pi*(r*(csc(t) + 2) โ€“ h)*(r*(csc(t) โ€“ 1) โ€“ h)^2/3

case 3: dry equator and wet "tropic"
if h*sin(t) <= r <= h*tan(t)*sec(t) then
v = v_3 = v_2

case 4: dry "tropic" (and wet bottom)
if h*tan(t)*sec(t) <= r then
v = v_4

v_4 โ€”> 0 as r โ€”> 1/0
Anonymous No.16753844 >>16753845 >>16764551
maximum:
if r = h*csc(t)/(csc(t) + 2)/(csc(t) โ€“ 1) then
v = 4*pi*h^3/3/(csc(t) + 2)^2/(csc(t) โ€“ 1)
Anonymous No.16753845 >>16753963
>>16753844
Anonymous No.16753850
>>16753535
the probably with stewart is having 9000 editions of the same book whose only difference was different permutations of the same problems
Anonymous No.16753861
>>16750327
Oh, you're right.
Anonymous No.16753963
>>16753845
a = volume(displaced water)
b = volume(cone)
the ratio a/b is depicted

example:
if theta = pi/4, then a/b โ‰ˆ 5/6
Anonymous No.16753988 >>16754016
>>16749367
>>16749363
I think you donโ€™t need calculus for this one, just trig itโ€™s (big cone)-(smaller cone). Well unless you forget the formula for cone size, then you can use calculus ti get it
Anonymous No.16753993 >>16754185
>>16749367
>mfw glorified related rates problem
is that all?
Anonymous No.16754016 >>16754039 >>16754058
>>16753988
the volume of the cup is
[math]V(\theta) = \pi R^2 L \sin\theta - \pi R L^2 \cos\theta\sin\theta + \frac{1}{3}\pi L^3 \cos^2\theta \sin\theta[/math]
which can be simplified in a variety of ways using trig identities, however, optimizing the derivative seems to have no closed form solution
Anonymous No.16754039
>>16754016
Hmm I think Theta overcomplicating the situation, you ca just make x,y which opey the Pythagorean theorem
Anonymous No.16754058 >>16754710
>>16749363
>>16754016
i disagree. using this volume and h = L cos(t) and R = r + 2Lsin(t), I get

[math]V(\theta) = \frac{4}{3}\pi L^3 \cos\theta \sin^2 \theta + 2\pi rL^2\sin\theta\cos\theta + \pi r^2L\cos\theta[/math]
Anonymous No.16754185
>>16753993
That's all that calculus is
Levi No.16754329
>>16748843 (OP)
>>16748850
>Let the rudincels cope and seethe
Typical white-boy problem. Can't handle the intellectual rigor of the Chosen Ones, plays around with pedestrian problems instead.
Anonymous No.16754336
>>16750443
it was solved by humanity, we just accessed our memories
Anonymous No.16754710 >>16755769
>>16754058
suppose the truncated cone is aligned with the [math]z[/math]-axis and that the base of the cone with radius [math]R[/math] coincides with the [math]xy[/math]-plane.
use the parameterization as described in >>16749363, with base radius [math]R[/math], side length [math]L[/math], and base angle [math]\theta[/math]
the height of the truncated cone along the axis is [eqn]\Delta z = L \sin \theta[/eqn]
the change in radius from the base to the top is [eqn]\Delta R = - L \cos\theta[/eqn]
the radius as a function of [math]z[/math] is linear, and therefore
[eqn]r(z,\theta) = R + z \frac{\Delta R}{\Delta z} = R - z \cot \theta[/eqn]
integrating the radius as a solid of revolution along the axis gives the volume
[eqn]V(\theta) = \int_0^{\Delta z} \pi r(z, \theta)^2 dz[/eqn]
evaluate this integral
[eqn]
\begin{split}
V(\theta) &= \pi \int_0^{\Delta z} [R - z \cot \theta]^2 dz \\
&= \pi \int_0^{\Delta z} [R^2 - 2 R z \cot \theta + z^2 \cot^2 \theta] dz \\
&= \pi R^2 \int_0^{\Delta z}dz - 2 \pi R \cot \theta \int_0^{\Delta z} z dz + \pi \cot^2 \theta \int_0^{\Delta z} z^2 dz \\
&= \pi R^2 z \bigg|_0^{L \sin \theta} - 2 \pi R \cot \theta \frac{1}{2}z^2\bigg|_0^{L \sin \theta} + \pi \cot^2 \theta \frac{1}{3}z^3\bigg|_0^{L\sin\theta}\\
&= \pi R^2 L \sin \theta - \pi R \cot \theta L^2 \sin^2 \theta + \pi \cot^2\theta \frac{1}{3} L^3 \sin^3\theta \\
&= \pi R^2 L \sin \theta - \pi R L^2 \cos \theta \sin \theta + \frac{1}{3} \pi L^3 \cos^2 \theta \sin\theta
\end{split}[/eqn]
so
[eqn]\boxed{V(\theta) = \pi R^2 L \sin \theta - \pi R L^2 \cos \theta \sin \theta + \frac{1}{3} \pi L^3 \cos^2 \theta \sin\theta}[/eqn]
which, once again, can be simplified a variety of ways using trig identities
for instance, putting everything in terms of sines
[eqn]V(\theta) = \pi R^2 L \sin\theta - \frac{1}{2} \pi R L^2 \sin 2 \theta + \frac{1}{3} \pi L^3 [1 - \sin^2\theta] \sin \theta[/eqn]
all the powers of sine can be reduced to a single powers of sine (with multiples of [math]\theta[/math])
Anonymous No.16754969
>>16753552
v_4 = pi*w^2*(r โ€“ w/3)
w = r โ€“ sqrt[r^2 โ€“ (h*tan[t])^2]
Anonymous No.16754989
>>16749363
This ketchup sub-thread shouldn't be ITT.
It should be its own thread in /sci/.
Things related to the OP's problem can be investigated, instead of introducing an entirely different problem.
In other words, "not all has been said and done".
plpl No.16755719 >>16755774 >>16775575
>>16748864
>There are only two cases.

Here are three cases:
L: The sphere doesn't fit into the cone.
M: The sphere fits into the cone, but is only partially submerged.
S: The sphere is fully submerged.

S = small
M = medium
L = large

Which "two cases" do you mean?
S and M?
Or M and L?
Anonymous No.16755769 >>16755816 >>16755821
>>16754710
>V(t)
>Integrates w.r.t. z
Retard alert. Should be your first indicator that you're wrong. Not to mention that your volume can be negative for specific values of L & R.
Anonymous No.16755774 >>16756577 >>16762067
>>16755719
S&M. It obviously cannot be L.
Anonymous No.16755816 >>16755822 >>16755839
>>16755769
>Not to mention that your volume can be negative for specific values of L & R
go ahead and try, i dare you to post a combination of [math]L,R\in \mathbb{R}^+[/math] could take to make my equation negative within [math]\theta \in [0, \pi)[/math]
Anonymous No.16755821
>>16755769
also, one limit of integration is a constant (namely 0) and the other is a function of [math]\theta[/math], so the integrated quantity is only a function of [math]\theta[/math]. integrated quantities don't depend on the dummy variables of integration
Anonymous No.16755822 >>16755839
>>16755816
oops, my bad, i meant [math]\theta \in \left[-\frac{\pi}{2}, \frac{\pi}{2}\right][/math]
Anonymous No.16755834 >>16755839
oops, my bad again, i REALLY meant [math]\theta\in[0,\pi][/math]
shouldn't try to pay attention to more than one thing at a time...
Anonymous No.16755839 >>16755842
>>16755816
>>16755822
>>16755834
i accept your concession that you've not properly checked the limits and constraints on your function. you should feel very embarrassed rn
Anonymous No.16755842
>>16755839
>he can't come up with two numbers that back up his claim
Anonymous No.16756308
itt: bunch of sperglords with too much math education and not enough innate talent.
Anonymous No.16756334
>>16748850
And none of my school books are based upon Stewart or rudin instead using proprietary calculus.
Anonymous No.16756577 >>16758191
>>16755774
>It obviously cannot be L.
The bottom of every sphere -- and that includes large spheres of course -- is submerged.
Anonymous No.16757412 >>16758166
>>16753552
h = 7
t = theta = pi/4

The blue curve is v_2 = v_3.
The yellow curve is Re[v_4].

The left side of the graph is at r = r_12 = h/(csc(t) + 1).

If r_12 < r < r_23, then only the blue curve is valid and v = v_2.

If r = r_23 = h*sin(t), then the blue and yellow curves intersect.

If r_23 < r < r_34, then only the blue curve is valid and v = v_3.
The maximum of the blue curve is in this interval.
Thus the sphere is less than half submerged.

If r = r_34 = h*tan(t)*sec(t), then the blue and yellow curves are tangent.

If r_34 < r, then only the yellow curve is valid and v = v_4.

The right side of the graph is at r = h/(csc(t) โ€“ 1).
Anonymous No.16758166
>>16757412
h = 7
t = theta = pi/9

The blue curve is v_2 = v_3.
The yellow curve is Re[v_4].

The left side of the graph is at r = r_12 = h/(csc(t) + 1).

If r_12 < r < r_23, then only the blue curve is valid and v = v_2.
The maximum of the blue curve is in this interval.
Thus the sphere is more than half submerged.

If r = r_23 = h/csc(t), then the blue and yellow curves intersect.

et cetera
Anonymous No.16758191 >>16758502 >>16760259 >>16761006
>>16756577
sorry but proof by "just look at it" excludes that possibility
Anonymous No.16758502 >>16758988 >>16759005
>>16758191
You're actually disputing, that the bottom of every sphere is submerged?
Oh my word.
You're saying, that a large sphere floats on top of the water?
That it doesn't sink a little bit, until it's securely held in place by the cone's circle?
Oh my word.
Anonymous No.16758988 >>16760259
>>16758502
>You're actually disputing, that the bottom of every sphere is submerged?
nope
Anonymous No.16759005 >>16760143
>>16758502
Are you Chinese?
Anonymous No.16760143 >>16760175 >>16760229 >>16760860
>>16759005
>Are you Chinese?
Believe it or not, I'm a descendant of Chinggis Khan.
"Genghis Khan ([...]; c.1162 โ€“ August 1227), also known as Chinggis Khan, was the founder and first khan of the Mongol Empire."
And I enjoy East Asian food.
And I love rice.
Anonymous No.16760175
>>16760143
>love rice
megalomaniac
Anonymous No.16760229
>>16760143
Ask me how I figured it out..
Anonymous No.16760259 >>16760263 >>16760560
>>16758191
>proof by "just look at it"
>>16758988
>nope
The definition of a large sphere is:
r >= h Sec[ฮธ] Tan[ฮธ]
The amount of sinkage is:
w = r โ€“ Sqrt[r^2 โ€“ (h Tan[ฮธ])^2]
How's that for more rigor?
Anonymous No.16760263
>>16760259
Imagine being this autistic. Nigga just use your minds eye. It can't be the large sphere.
Anonymous No.16760347 >>16768008 >>16772911
>>16748843 (OP)
Now shucks you just listen here one second mister!
Anonymous No.16760396
>>16748843 (OP)
well. yeah he was a literal homosexual. they are all child molesters
Anonymous No.16760560 >>16761006
>>16760259
it doesn't need rigor, just look at it, this isn't complicated
Anonymous No.16760860
>>16760143
Anonymous No.16761006 >>16761825
The whole thing, starting with this post:
>>16758191
>sorry but proof by "just look at it" excludes that possibility
and ending with this post:
>>16760560
>it doesn't need rigor, just look at it, this isn't complicated
was a misunderstanding, on my part.

Now I finally understand, that you're the speaker of "just look at it".
At first, I thought, that you meant, that I'm the speaker thereof.
Or that you were being critical of my lack of rigor.

All of the posts pertaining to this matter can be deleted now.
Anonymous No.16761387
>>16750443
That's not how it works you braindead techbro.
Anonymous No.16761825 >>16762088 >>16773346
>>16761006
You are retarded kek
Anonymous No.16762067 >>16774452
>>16755774
>S&M
A small sphere is fully submerged.
Thus the volume of the displaced water is equal to the volume of the small sphere.

The volume of a small sphere is a strictly increasing function of the radius.
Thus only the largest small sphere is a candidate, for displacing the most water.

And the largest small sphere is equal to the smallest medium sphere.
Thus small spheres are of no interest!
plplplplplplpl No.16762088
>>16761825
>You are retarded
"I know you are, but what am I?"
Anonymous No.16762410 >>16764551 >>16770881 >>16775306 >>16780610
>>16748843 (OP)
Let the cone have height hand semi-vertical angle t, so the rim radius is R = h tan(t)

Put a sphere of radius a on the axis. It touches the cone along a circle. If the center of the sphere is at height z_0 above the apex, tangency gives

[math]
a=z_0\sin\theta\quad\Rightarrow\quad z_0=\frac{a}{\sin\theta},\qquad
z_t=z_0\cos^2\theta=\frac{a\cos^2\theta}{\sin\theta},
[/math]

where z_t is the height of the circle of tangency.

For any ball that can pass through the rim we have [math]a\le R[/math], and then

[math]
z_t=\frac{a\cos^2\theta}{\sin\theta}\le
\frac{R\cos^2\theta}{\sin\theta}=h\cos\theta [/math]

so the intersection (water displaced) is the cone from z=0 to z=z_t plus the spherical segment from z=z_t to z=h.

Computing that volume V(a) and simplifying,

[math]
V(a)=\frac{\pi}{3}\Big(
z_t^{\,3}\tan^2\theta + [\text{spherical segment }(z_t\to h)]
\Big)
\quad\Rightarrow\quad
\frac{dV}{da}
=\frac{\pi}{\sin^3\theta}\big(a\sin^2\theta-a+h\sin\theta\big)^2\ge0.
[/math]

Thus V(a) is non-decreasing in a on the feasible interval [math]0
Therefore the spill is maximized by taking the largest sphere that can be inserted--i.e., one whose radius equals the cupโ€™s rim radius:

[math]
\boxed{\,a_{\max}=h\tan\theta\, }.
[/math]
Anonymous No.16764504
why isnt the answer just hte circumfernence of the sphere because that is what is touching hte water
Anonymous No.16764551
The following aren't quotes.
They're paraphrases.

>>16749005
>r = (h Sin[ฮธ])/((1 โ€“ Sin[ฮธ]) (1 + 2 Sin[ฮธ]))
Correct.

>>16750327
>r = h/(1 + Cos[2 ฮธ]/Sin[ฮธ])
Correct.

>>16753844
>r = (h Csc[ฮธ])/((Csc[ฮธ] + 2) (Csc[ฮธ] โ€“ 1))
Correct.

>>16762410
>r = h Tan[ฮธ]
Incorrect!
And "you're late to the party" pal.
Please find the error(s) in your post, and post a correction.
So that we don't have to.
Anonymous No.16768008
>>16760347
The correct James Stewart is depicted.
Anonymous No.16770881
>>16762410
(z_0)/sec(ฮธ) = (z_t)/cos(ฮธ)
Anonymous No.16772911
>>16760347
kek
Anonymous No.16773346 >>16773615
>>16761825
kek
Anonymous No.16773615
>>16773346
kek
Anonymous No.16773617 >>16774452 >>16775297
my gut tells me it's when the ball is fully submerged inside the cone, yet is tangent with the "base"

no, i will not elaborate
Anonymous No.16774148
>>16748843 (OP)
guys am not good at math but I have been thinking about this one for some few days now

I think I figure it out or at least am heading towards the right direction ?

we just have to solve for R in the final simplified equation to get the maximum am right ?
Anonymous No.16774280
>>16748843 (OP)
Why would I ever want to know the answer lol. Nerds
Anonymous No.16774452
>>16773617
>it's when the ball is fully submerged inside the cone, yet is tangent with the "base"
There are infinitely many spheres which are both fully submerged and tangent to the base of the cone.
I guess, that it can be assumed, that you mean the largest such sphere.

At any rate, every fully-submerged sphere was ruled out, in the following post.
>>16762067

Or are you saying, that the base belongs to the air, instead of to the water?
It could be either way.
But I think, that it's more natural, if the base belongs to the water.
Anonymous No.16774520 >>16774527 >>16775575
In the image, the yellow and blue horizontal line segments should be ignored.
I only drew them to crop the image to the interesting volumes of the displaced water.
Thus only the blue and yellow curves should be looked at, or considered.

If 0 < r < a, then only the blue curve is valid.
This left part of the blue curve corresponds to spheres which are fully submerged.

If r = a, then the blue and yellow curves are tangent.

If a < r < b, then only the yellow curve is valid.
This right part of the yellow curve corresponds to spheres which fit into the cone, but are only partially submerged.

a = h/(Csc[ฮธ] + 1)
b = h Tan[ฮธ] Sec[ฮธ]

h = 7
ฮธ = ฯ€/6
Anonymous No.16774527
>>16774520

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Plot%5B%7BMin%5B%284+Pi+r%5E3%29%2F3%2C+%284+Pi+7%5E3%29%2F%283+%28Csc%5BPi%2F4%5D+%2B+2%29%5E2+%28Csc%5BPi%2F4%5D+-+1%29%29%5D%2C+Max%5B0%2C+%28Pi+%28r+%28Csc%5BPi%2F4%5D+%2B+2%29+-+7%29+%28r+%28Csc%5BPi%2F4%5D+-+1%29+-+7%29%5E2%29%2F3%5D%7D%2C+%7Br%2C+0%2C+7+Tan%5BPi%2F4%5D+Sec%5BPi%2F4%5D%7D%5D
Anonymous No.16775274 >>16775278 >>16775297 >>16775613
V_S
= the volume of water which is displaced by the largest small sphere
= the height of the green line segment

V_M
= the volume of water which is displaced by the optimal medium sphere
= the height of the blue line segment

V_L
= the volume of water which is displaced by the smallest large sphere
= the height of the right end of the yellow curve

claim:
If h = 5 and ฮธ = ฯ€/7, then V_S < V_L < V_M.

proof:
Inspect the image.
Anonymous No.16775278 >>16775297 >>16776888
>>16775274

claim:
If h = 5 and ฮธ = ฯ€/8, then V_L < V_S < V_M.

proof:
Inspect the image.
Anonymous No.16775297
>>16773617
>no, i will not elaborate
The following two posts may interest you.
>>16775274
>>16775278
In the former post, the volume of water which is displaced by the largest fully-submerged sphere "gets a bronze medal".
And in the latter post, it "gets a silver medal".
Anonymous No.16775306 >>16775310
>>16762410 #
>a_max = h*tan(ฮธ)
Omg, you goofed big time!
Omg, are you the laughing stock of /sci/ now?
Anonymous No.16775310 >>16775481 >>16777450
>>16775306
Not as funny as responding to AIslop
Anonymous No.16775372 >>16775458 >>16775534
An infinitely small radius sphere would displace no water as it has no volume.

An infinitely large radius sphere would displace no water as its surface would have no apparent curvature to displace volume against the base of the cone.

With a lower and higher bound found, finding the maxima is left as an exercise to the reader.
Anonymous No.16775458
>>16775372
>Infinitely small
>Negative infinity radius
Anonymous No.16775481
>>16775310
The OP is AI? I still like the problem posed by the OP.
Anonymous No.16775534
>>16775372

>An infinitely small radius sphere would displace no water as it has no volume.
If a tiny sphere is fully submerged, then the volume of water which it displaces is v = 4*pi*r^3/3.
And if r = 0, then v = 0.

>An infinitely large radius sphere would displace no water as its surface would have no apparent curvature to displace volume against the base of the cone.
If a huge sphere rests on the cone's circle, then the volume of water which it displaces is v = pi*w^2*(r โ€“ w/3) where w = r โ€“ sqrt[r^2 โ€“ (h*tan[theta])^2].
And if r = infinity, then v = 0.
Proof: Inspect the image.

>With a lower and higher bound found, finding the maxima is left as an exercise to the reader.
v is a piecewise function of r
it has three pieces
h and theta are parameters
oops No.16775575 >>16777885 >>16781507
It turns out, that the following classification, definition, or description is incorrect.
>>16755719
>The sphere fits into the cone, but is only partially submerged.
Ditto for the following.
>>16774520
>spheres which fit into the cone, but are only partially submerged
Sorry about that.

The following is correct.
A medium sphere is a sphere which fits into the cone, but can't be fully submerged.
Anonymous No.16775613 >>16775692
>>16775274
>V_S
= z/(Csc[ฮธ] + 1)^3
>V_M
= z/(Csc[ฮธ] + 2)^2/(Csc[ฮธ] โ€“ 1)
>V_L
= z*(Tan[ฮธ]*Sec[ฮธ])^3*(Sin[ฮธ] + 2)*(Sin[ฮธ] โ€“ 1)^2/4

z = 4*ฯ€*h^3/3
Anonymous No.16775692
>>16775613
if Sin[ฮธ] = 2/5, then:
V_S = 8*z/7^3
V_M = 8*z/3^5
V_L = V_S
Anonymous No.16776888 >>16777913
>>16775278
The attached image is a close-up of the previous image, but with some changes.

The height of the blue line segment is the volume displaced by the smallest M sphere (= largest S sphere).

The height of the yellow line segment is the volume displaced by the largest M sphere (= the smallest L sphere).

The former height exceeds the latter height.

The URL of the attached image is:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Plot%5B%7B%284*%CF%80*5%5E3%29%2F%283*%28Csc%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D%2B1%29%5E3%29%2C%28%CF%80*5%5E3*%28Tan%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D*Sec%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D%29%5E3*%28Sin%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D%2B2%29*%28Sin%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D-1%29%5E2%29%2F3%2C%28%CF%80*%28r*%28Csc%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D%2B2%29-5%29*%28r*%28Csc%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D-1%29-5%29%5E2%29%2F3%7D%2C%7Br%2C5%2F%28Csc%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D%2B1%29%2C5*Tan%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D*Sec%5B%CF%80%2F8%5D%7D%5D
plpl No.16777450
>>16775310
WolframAlpha is not an AI but a computational knowledge engine.
Anonymous No.16777885 >>16777913 >>16779993 >>16779993
>>16775575
By "fits into the cone" I assume you mean that the circumference of the sphere is smaller or equal to the circumference of the base of the cone?
Anonymous No.16777913 >>16780610
>>16776888
is the answer "as big as possible"
>>16777885
is the answer "as big as possible"
>>16748843 (OP)
the answer is "as big as possible" but the other facets of the cone do not have LETTERS assigned to them only the cones height and the theta number which doesnt have a value
the answer is ball radius = biggest radius of cone
Anonymous No.16779265
>>16749005
so what
Anonymous No.16779993 >>16780011
>>16777885
>By "fits into the cone"
I mean the following green inequality.
>>16753552
>r <= h*tan(t)*sec(t)

>>16777885
>the circumference of the sphere is [less than] or equal to the circumference of the base of the cone
A sphere doesn't have a circumference.
But a great circle of a sphere does.
Thus you mean the following inequality.
2*pi*r <= 2*pi*h*tan(t)
Which simplifies to:
r <= h*tan(t)
Anonymous No.16780011
>>16779993
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Plot%5B%7BTan%5B%CE%B8%5D+Sec%5B%CE%B8%5D%2C+Tan%5B%CE%B8%5D%7D%2C+%7B%CE%B8%2C+0%2C+%CF%80%2F2%7D%5D
not the OP No.16780610 >>16780618 >>16780631
>>16777913
>the other facets of the cone do not have LETTERS assigned to them[,] only the cone[']s height and the [angle] theta
h and theta uniquely determine the cone.
The radius of the cone's base is h*tan(theta).
The slope length of the cone is h*sec(theta).
And the other two angles are pi/2 and pi/2 โ€“ theta.

>the theta number
the angle theta

>which doesn[']t have a value
Because theta is a parameter, not a constant.

>the answer is ball radius = biggest radius of cone
r = h*tan(theta) is incorrect.
The following Anonymous wrote the same thing.
>>16762410
Anonymous No.16780618
>>16780610
ok but how does the math know when the cone stops
Anonymous No.16780631 >>16780643
>>16780610
why isnt it as big as possible when the most of the ball is in the cone the biggest ball displaces most water
as big as possible but the ball goes all the way in?
maybe the ball should only go about 1/2 way in otherwise it would be too small to displace more water
i wish there were toold we could use to calculate this sort of thing
Anonymous No.16780643 >>16781234
>>16780631
>the biggest ball displaces most water
winner
Anonymous No.16781234
>>16780643
A smaller ball can displace 100% of its volume instead of half.
Anonymous No.16781334 >>16781507 >>16781599
>>16748843 (OP)
A small ball made of tungsten dropped into the cone would displace more water than a bigger styrofoam ball.
Anonymous No.16781342
>>16748843 (OP)
A cone shaped ball should be able to displace 100% of water
Anonymous No.16781507 >>16781518
>>16781334
This is sort of why I posted: >>16775575
But I completely ignored gravity.
I assumed, that it was a pure math problem.
Or that the sphere could be "magically" positioned or suspended anywhere.

I'm not the OP.
But I feel like this is my thread.
Because I posted so often to TT.
Probably more than anyone else.

That's why I took it upon myself to reply to you.
Even though you addressed the OP.
Anonymous No.16781518
>>16781507
>anyone
everyone
Grok No.16781599
>>16781334
>tungsten
osmium (Os): 22.59 g/cm3
iridium (Ir): 22.56 g/cm3
platinum (Pt): 21.45 g/cm3
rhenium (Re): 21.02 g/cm3
gold (Au): 19.32 g/cm3
tungsten (W): 19.25 g/cm3