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Anonymous No.16750741 >>16750816 >>16750829 >>16750832 >>16750839 >>16751070 >>16751084 >>16751118 >>16751471 >>16751583 >>16751625 >>16751891 >>16754771 >>16755810 >>16763493 >>16763502
most important questions
What are the most important questions humanity is completely ignoring right now? What's our collective blind spot? What questions, if we all started asking them, would change the game?
Anonymous No.16750816 >>16750828 >>16751201
>>16750741 (OP)
the cure for islam
Anonymous No.16750828
>>16750816
A fashion make over
Anonymous No.16750829
>>16750741 (OP)
first off, very gay pic related, op is confirmed faggot.

to answer your question, i'm not sure that the question of what consciousness actually is can be counted as "ignored", but it's certainly still considered very fringe but is far more important and foundational than this very gay "are we living in a simulation?" fuckery we've been seeing lately.
Anonymous No.16750832 >>16750839 >>16751201 >>16751590 >>16751593
>>16750741 (OP)
in mathematics and the philosophy of mathematics, i think that the very foundational question of what it means to be doing mathematics is largely ignored. this has been widely debated in the beginning of the last century during the foundational crisis of mathematics, where people have held very strong opinions on the ontological status of the objects of mathematical investigation. this debate has totally stifled by the early incompleteness, indenpendence and inconsistency results, and ever since mathematicians have stopped caring and settled for an indeterminate and inconclusive half-platonic/half-formalist attitude with an unquestioned acceptance of an incoherent set theoretic foundation: mathematics is seen as the study of mathematical objects somewhere out there, existing independently of the human mind, whose their existence however is seen as justified by some axiomatic, formal theory except when their existence is proven to be independent of the formal theory, then it's just unclear what to make of it and the internal response to this affair generally is "well, that's weird, i guess we will never know".

the question is widely considered very irrevelant by the vast majority of working mathematicians -- recently we have seen attempts at superseding the foundational framework of set theory by more modern and meaningful theories based on type theory and/or category theory such as sear / etcs, univalent foundations and the calculus of constructions. they all have in one way or another arisen from the desire to have a cleaner foundation, but they do very little in clarifying the epistemological nature of mathematics.

there is next to no willingness to question the most foundational assumptions, such as the law of excluded middle or the power set axiom, at least not in a serious, philosophical way because any dismissal of such assumptions is seen to render most of the current mathematics pointless.

> cont ..
Anonymous No.16750839
>>16750741 (OP)
>>16750832
>.. cont.

however, that is not necessarily the case. from an integrative and agnostic stance, all current classical mathematics can be recast as the study of a certain formally determined mathematical world that is interwoven but distinct from other formally determined mathematical worlds, each of which is but a view of an intdeterminate mathematical universe. i think mathematicians right now are confusing things with their shadows and are dismissive of shadows unfamiliar to them.
Anonymous No.16751070 >>16751075
>>16750741 (OP)
>search-for-the-keys.png
We have to replace money with energy.
That'll strip you-know-who of their power.
Their dirty "money power".

Energy and work have the same units.

Central banks -- we all know who controls them -- print money.
This causes inflation.
But no one can "print" or create energy.
Because of "conservation of energy".

Charging interest sort of equates time and energy.
And if you base things on the inequality "time β‰  energy", then there are bound to be problems!

Lastly, the stock market is a swindle mechanism.
Bulls jack up prices and bears jack them down.
oops No.16751075
>>16751070
>And if you base things on the inequality "time β‰  energy", then there are bound to be problems!
Oops, I meant:
If you equate time and energy,
then there are bound to be problems.
(Since they're unequal.)
Anonymous No.16751084
>>16750741 (OP)
The true nature of the relationship between matter/energy and consciousness.
Anonymous No.16751118
>>16750741 (OP)
Why are poor people so fat?
Anonymous No.16751201 >>16751209 >>16751340
>>16750816
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_iD6Lf6MY
>>16750832
>incoherent set theoretic foundation
care to explain what you mean with that?
Anonymous No.16751209 >>16751225 >>16751340
>>16751201
>>incoherent set theoretic foundation
>care to explain what you mean with that?
He doesn't understand axiomatic set theory. Something about the axioms confuses him.
Anonymous No.16751225
>>16751209
that much i gathered, have a nice day
Anonymous No.16751340 >>16751365 >>16751372
>>16751209
>>16751201
i understand axiomatic set theory quite well, thank you.

so axiomatic set theories like zfc, nbg or mk are incoherent in so far as the notion of set put forward in them is incoherent. historically, sets have been understood to have an inherent combinatorial / constructive and actual, definite nature: you build new sets from old ones, sets arise in stages from simpler sets and so forth. and to give a set amounts to give an account of all of its elements such that the corresponding set is seen as a reification of that collection of elements as a mathematical object in its own right. the power set axiom does away with that notion. in contrast to sets, classes have been understood as collections of mathematical objects that satisfy a certain predicate or condition and they are inherently potential in nature, that is: a class aggregates the things which belong to it as they arise. one cannot assume that all things belongig to a class are already determined and present went given a class. such is the case for what is usually deemed a power "set". philosophically, it should rather be a power class: whenever something is a subset of a given set, it belongs to that set's power class. but given a power class, does one have all its members at hand?

>cont ..
Anonymous No.16751365 >>16751372
>>16751340
>.. cont.

well, you can write down some axioms of certain things and then name these things sets and the certain operations you can define on them you can name union and intersection and so forth and then whatever follows from these axioms you accept as truths about the things you have named sets. well, alright, but if you do so carelessly then you can not assume that, whatever your wording and phrasing is for that axioms and operations, does not align well with your intuitive notion of what these words and phrases should mean. you can for instance write down the axioms of group theory and then call it a theory of "strings" and "binding", but then you find out that certain identities do not quite align with your intuition for what strings are and what binding of strings is supposed to be.

the state of affairs is that set theory is seemingly a theory of sets, but actually is a theory of set-like classes or class-like sets. in that sense, it's incoherent (but there are apparently even more damning, more technical arguments than this one for its incoherence, which are above my level of understanding). people make out this confusion as a source for various paradoxical and pathological phenomena which arise if you take that sort of set theory too seriously as an actual theory of sets. the banach-tarski paradox is such an example, as are certain independence results, like whether the projective dimension of this one specific module is two or three and so forth. you can ignore that or not care about the possible origin of these weird phenomena and that's your personal choice, but choosing to ignore it because you don't care about it is not a counter-argument to a charge of current set as being incoherent. it's a lazy and ignorant response.
Anonymous No.16751372 >>16751385
>>16751340
>>16751365
>your wording and phrasing is for that axioms and operations
You absolutely have no idea what axiomatic set theory is.
Anonymous No.16751385 >>16753269
>>16751372
seems like you're too low iq to actually adequately respond to what i'm saying? if you do axiomatic set theory, you write down a bunch of axioms like extensionality or pairing by which you implicitly define an element-relation and from that on you can define or identify what a subset, what a union, an intersection is. it's not a hard concept to grasp. why would you think that i don't get it based on that quote? seems to me like you're freshman or something or perhaps a bit retarded? idk
Anonymous No.16751471
>>16750741 (OP)
what will keep you alive once robots can do most jobs?
Anonymous No.16751515
Then We [Mathematical Sociological Function] Healthily
Anonymous No.16751583
>>16750741 (OP)
>What's our collective blind spot?
Allowing stupid people to breed.
Anonymous No.16751590
>>16750832
A huge number of people doing math are the intellectual equivalent of lawn mower mechanics. They can set the gap on the spark plug but they could never design a new engine, or think of an entirely new way to manage lawn care.
Which wouldn't be a problem if they would just keep their stupid cunt mouth shut when someone has a radically different or new idea.

Its not just math though, this applies to all sciences.
Anonymous No.16751593 >>16751600 >>16751641
>>16750832
Take heart brother. We of the ONE TRUE FINITE FAITH are determined to overthrow modern mathematics and cleanse this Earth of all HERESY. Verily I sayeth unto thee. Those GOD CURSED INFINITY LOVING SODOMITES will pay for crimes against mathematics! Let them all burn in the discrete flames of finite HELL!
Say it with me Brothers and Sisters!
DEUS VULT!
DEUS VULT!
DEUS VULT!
Anonymous No.16751600
>>16751593
Do You Mean Deus Magnus?
Deus Magnus
Deific Magnate?
Anonymous No.16751625
>>16750741 (OP)
Everything.
Our fundamental understanding of ALL OF IT requires things that don’t exist to exist.
Once people can understand that hurdle they can begin looking at everything from a different lens. For all we know our math is wholly incorrect beyond algebra.
Anonymous No.16751641
>>16751593
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult
You GOD DAMNED heathen!
We are on a divine CRUSADE to retake the HOLY land of Mathematics for the finite GLORY of GOD.
We sharpen our swords daily.
Since GOD is on our side we can not fail. I suggest you cast any heretical notions of infinity aside and join our divine cause. Unless you prefer a fiery end at the stake..
And its not like we have a shortage of Saints to assist us on our quest.
Saint Kronecker
Saint Hilbert
Saint Brouwer
WE MARCH!
DEUS VULT!
Anonymous No.16751891 >>16752525
>>16750741 (OP)
Perhaps the most important question is why 90+% of all threads posted on 4chan get a steady stream of passionate replies for a while and then are suddenly abandoned.
Anonymous No.16752525
>>16751891
I think its because many of the threads are not created by genuine people. They are made by bots, shills, schizos, trolls, and I suspect by bored 4chan admins/jannies themselves. Secondly many threads are created as a form of tabloid journalism, just to get attention.
Then the vast majority of posters are only concerned with getting the first wry comment in, or immediately derailing the thread. Its like a bunch kids running around frantically kicking down sand castles. Once the sand castle has been thoroughly stomped its not worth another kick.
A few genuine good faith people with something interesting to say do remain despite all noise, but it takes a lot of scrolling to find them. That said there are the occasional rare gems to find despite all the sludge. Its the only reason why I bother to scan through all the childish nonsense.
Anonymous No.16753269
>>16751385
stay dumb.
Anonymous No.16754771 >>16755659 >>16755757
>>16750741 (OP)
how much of behavior is nurtured. besides gay and trans stuff, we're going to see more stuff in the future where you will be demonized for questioning because people will shout that others are "born that way".
Anonymous No.16755659
>>16754771
shut up retard
Anonymous No.16755757
>>16754771
people can be convinced of anything, this is pretty much clear by now.
you just need to come up with a really good story, and justification for it, and morons will do it and fight to defend doing it and develop an entire philosophy about it. can be anything really, there's no real limit to it, whatever retardation you can imagine humans will do it, and argue it's absolutely normal, or what humans should have always done. no shit, humans are that fucking pathetic. if it tickles the right weaknesses they'll do it.
Anonymous No.16755810 >>16756761
>>16750741 (OP)
>What's our collective blind spot?
WTF is dreaming all about.
You mean to tell me there is another universe entirely of consciousness that everyone visits each night? One where you can travel to other planets, speak with aliens, use telepathy and telekinesis, fly, teleport, explore alternate dimensions, see dinosaurs. One where magic is real and we can go meet with ancient humans who have longed since passed away and have conversations with them. You can interact with atoms and molecules, see atoms and molecules, create laser oscillations in crystals by touching them. Build technology by thinking about what it needs to do, and watching the universe create a machine that can do it.
And everyone acts as if this is not a big deal, never speaks about what happens in them, never investigates them, never explores them, never so much as mentions it in public discourse. Everyone acts as if 1/3rd of their entire life, of the entire existence of mankind itself, and the universe as well, simply doesn't exist.
Anonymous No.16756761
>>16755810
time for you to stop confusing your acid trips with dreams kid
Anonymous No.16758985
Why did God place a woman's anus so close to her pussy?
Anonymous No.16761087
how do we generate a terrawatt of compute in the US as fast as possible
Anonymous No.16761153
just shit myself a bit
Anonymous No.16763493
>>16750741 (OP)
curing all cancer and disease
colonizing space, because we cant stay here forever
bodhi No.16763502
>>16750741 (OP)
the jewish question