Thread 16758075

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>>16758075 (OP)
https://www.spacex.com/launches/ussf36

>>16758075 (OP)
Odds on a successful Starship flight?

>>16758085
successful in what way?

Member Musk’s Melties?

>>16758090
Lots of data

>>16758096
member /sfg/?

>>16758090
Not blowing up

>>16758112
0%

Why are you fags so unrealistic when it comes to space colonization? Do any of you actually believe the whole 1 million city on Mars by 2050 bullshit?

>>16758129
No but I think it’s worth it to shoot for that & miss but at least get 10,000 souls on mars by 2075

Nobody noticed that Russia put up a few small milsats on an Angara 1.2 early this morning.

>>16758129
aim for the stars, land on the moon

>>16758134
if a krokodil addict launches a bottle rocket in the woods, does anyone notice?

what if we built a rocket that was mass autismed so hard that when it was empty (pressurized with hydrogen) it was lighter than air?
then for reuse it could just drift back gently and we pluck it out of the air with a big net.

>>16758134
Tangent here. Russia's whole issue is that it think itself a superpower, so it does superpower things, like trying to build a GPS-like system for itself and only itself. But it has a GDP level of a mid tier European country... If Russia ever wants to unfuck itself, they need to be realistic and accept that they're not a fucking superpower anymore. To this day, I have no idea why they even bother with GLONASS when they could piggy back off China's Beidou for a fraction of the cost, and for better performance too. GLONASS sucks up an insane amount of budget from Roscosmos, like a third of their annual budget and it's crap compared to GPS and Beidou.

This applies to a lot of other areas. Russia tries to do everything itself, and is spread too thin, when they could be leeching off Europe or China more if they weren't such fucking uncooperative retards.

>>16758129
As one anon said: aim for 10 and get 3, others aim for 5 and get 1

>>16758147
>>16758131
>>16758136
See >>16758143, for a nation that aimed for stars and comes crash landing back to earth with 5 broken ribs and brain damage

Sometimes, being too overconfident and ambitious can be bad. It's like the boy who cried wolf. How many times have we been burned by dog shit politicians who promise the world, but fail to live up to their promises? Until we stop listening entirely. I would have a lot more trust in Elon if he actually spoke an normal person and not some hype marketing techbro "AGI in 2 weeks" expert

>>16758150
What do braindead red and blue israeli-aligned obese theater kid politicians have to do with me wanting to support man in space? Most normies and politicans dont even care about space.
I dont entirely disagree with your assesment of Elon either. I'll admit in the past I perhaps did believe he was of stable mind and moral character and could get us to Mars, and yes now that honeymoon era has seemed to have passed and he now seems to me like a neurotic thiel-aligned business man with strange antics and an unstoppable drive for business success through any extraordinary quirky means necessary.
But he is realistically the most ahead at actually putting a big rocket on the lunar and perhaps even martian surface, with a lower $/kg than what came before. That is success in and of itself. I also expect Starship to be fully reusable and fly at higher and higher cadences (probably with lower and lower costs as everything gets factory-optimized) and this is NOT the game plan of Bezos or Branson or anyone else. So yes I support Elon despite him being a cringe schwul silicon valley opportunist in almost every other facet of his life. The same way I dont care about von Braun being a Germ or a Nazi. I simply think of WvB as a pioneer and the autistic OG rocket man who embraced his American lifestyle and pursued the autism of man in Space

berger is calling 2025 "starship's lost year"

>Publicly, Musk has said he doesn't worry too much about China beating the United States back to the Moon. "I think the United States should be aiming for Mars, because we've already actually been to the Moon several times," Musk said in an interview in late May. "Yeah, if China sort of equals that, I'm like, OK, sure, but that's something that America did 56 years ago." Privately, Musk is highly critical of Artemis, saying NASA should focus on Mars.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/08/spacex-has-built-the-machine-to-build-the-machine-but-what-about-the-machine/

>>16758164
Very accurate. Wasted potential

>>16758164
comments are full of pro-china fuck america psychos

>>16758161
Too much hype is bad you fuck. SpaceX is not doing this alone, colonizing Mars or the Moon is requires the entire nation. Over promising to this insane degree is gonna to induce more backlash than if they were realistic about the costs, scope and technology. Just look at Bush and his "quick and easy war" and "mission accomplished". Just look at all the bubbles ever in human history. People get burned a lot easier if they feel like they got tricked.

>>16758129
Do you think SpaceX has already launched 100 rockets this year by attempting to launch 5 rockets or 500 rockets?

>>16758170
Looks more like the narcissism of small differences to me

>>16758164
He's not wrong.

>>16758177
>Setting ambitious goals within the company=/=sprouting off weekly bullshit goals and timelines to the public, that you yourself know is basically impossible

/sfg/=Still Fake but Gayer

>>16758170
How did america become a place that tolerates retards like these who in the same breath will praise von braun forgetting he was a nazi while condemning musk because he made a nazi salute? A bunch of whiny effeminate men who have no accomplishments of their own.

>>16758183
Because Von Braun repented.

>>16758183
Probably because Von Braun was just another cog in the machine, while Elon has serious political power, not just in America, but around the world via Xitter. He can utterly brainwash 1.4 billion indians with Grok in less than a month if he wanted to.

>>16758183
these types of guys tend to hate WvB too

>>16758183
You are making the mistake of assuming those comments are from Americans.

bros I need a win. Starship flight 10 needs to go off without a hitch. I need it.

>>16758164
Still funny how SpaceX wanted to start deploying V3 Starlink as soon a February 2025.
Now it's NET early 2026

>>16758197
guowang is popping off, thats a big win because it means more resources will pour into spaceflight

>>16758199
How are those two things related?
>>16758198
late 2026 if they still can't figure out the door

>>16758143
Independent GNSS, EO, comms, etc, abilities is vital for a country that wants autonomous decision-making ability.

By the way, Russia's GDP, when measured by purchasing power, is now larger than Germany's. Nominal GDP is distorted by the exchange rate.

>>16758200
inshallah pez dispenser works perfectly this sunday and that’s another piece of FUD that can be put to rest.

In other non-starship news, China has another launch of the CZ-8 on the Wenchang commercial spaceport on monday. That's 3 weeks since the last launch. Which confirms that they have sorted out whatever issues that they were having with the launchpad.

>>16758200
>How are those two things related?
because they are a threat to the west so the west will put more effort into space in order to counter it. space warfare is to icbms as artemis is to apollo.

Is it meaningful to say there is a “race” between LM9 and Starship?

>>16758208
the only competitor worth its name is blue origin

>>16758203
>that wants autonomous decision-making ability.

Too bad that it uses that decision making ability to be fucking retarded. Smaller nations just have to suck it up and cooperate, only two countries can fund massive programs like space stations, lunar bases, 5th gen fighters etc, on their own. Russia is not one of them.

And now they're basically a chinese vassal state after the Ukraine war anyway so it was for naught

>is now larger than Germany's

Not really much of a brag, considering that Germany is a mid tier power at best. Just look at the projects that Russia is trying to work on. Why do they need an aircraft carrier that barely works? Why are they developing 5th gen fighters on their own? Why do they need LHDs? Why are they trying to develop stealth bombers and 6th gen fighters? Why work on cutting edge hypersonic missiles? You see so many of this wunderwaffes program in Russia.

And sure, Russia is good enough that they can sort of do the initial R&D for them, but they utterly fail at mass producing them. They had China as an ally, but failed to utilize them effectively. All those billions to develop the SU-57, just to produce a dozen white elephants planes, when they could have worked together with China a decade ago to develop a stealth fighter, or just used the SU-57's R&D money to buy a few squadrons of J-35s. Same thing for the T-14, maybe if they had approached the chinese or european partners to develop it as a joint project, it won't be dead in the water right now. But noooo, Russia has to do everything itself, because Russia is a superpower and can afford the trillions needed.

oh apparently space force is reaching 10k personnel as they are now increasing the size of the force. compare it with the coast guard which has around 80k personnel.

>>16758220
and allegedly none of them are in space

>>16758220
Will there ever be justification for putting space force astronauts into commercial LEO destinations, much less the lunar or martian surface?

>>16758221
https://youtu.be/5o6re74dzX4
right...

>>16758221
there are no coasts in space to guard

>>16758223
i can see it happening but not any time soon

Why such a long gap between Artemis I and Artemis II

>>16758233
why indeed

>>16758233
why move fast? it’s not going to get you any more pork

>>16758200
>muh door even though it works fine

Absolutely massive cope

>>16758203
>when measured by purchasing power

This isn't the argument you want it to be.

>>16758208
Considering LM9 doesn't exist, no.

>>16758226
my sides were in orbit a few times

>>16758233
Because Orion's heat shield is flawed.

>>16758245
Starship is real you’ve seen it emitting light and rapidly disassembling on the hot fire stand down in Boca

>>16758249
stop
just sstop, this is embarrassing
when the first taikonaut steps down from the Divine Tigerpenis lander or whatever the fuck it's called, there will be an american flag there to greet him
you didn't lose the race, you were never IN the race

>>16758085
The market says Starship is a coin flip. And that Booster is doomed.

>>16758252
Yes and that american flag will have been planted in the 70s. The next rectangle of stars and bars isn;t going to see the lunar surface until after someone plants a Chink flag there first

>>16758253
Why?
Switch the questions and thats basically my view. Why do people think super heavy is less likely to make it than starship? Super has had more success than starship.

Space Moles.

>>16758253
does superheavy count as exploding if it does the water landing correctly, tips over, and then explodes? because there are very good odds of that happening.

>>16758254
quick and without thinking, who was the second guy in space?

>>16758254
thurdie seethe and cope continues

>>16758259
Cain

>>16758259
Chewbacca

>>16758259
Sally Ride

>>16758255
August. Guess that Telsa Cafe burnt Grilled Cheese knocked all the confidence out of the market.

>>16758268
sell in May and go away

>>16758268
Whose dumbass idea was that? Then again Tesla bros typically support anything. Same phenomenon as iphone-brain. Your stock will only go up if you foster an environment conductive to automaton fanboys

>>16758208
No, CZ-9 still is merely a technological readiness program, focused on getting the TRL needed for Starship-copy dev instead of the TRL needed for SLS/Ares-copy dev like before.

it does have bent metal but that doesn't change that it's still a technological program.

>>16758164
berger is a doomer now I guess

>>16758198
9-12 delayed isn't that bad
whats the average in space related projects? probably multiple years

>>16758275
No more like a realistic noticer. Wtf happened this year besides "nothing" because of repeated failures and Musk's attention deficit disorder

>>16758233
Two reasons mainly
one is NASA doesn't have the cash for this so each launch is spread over multiple fiscal years making everything slower and cost more
Two the suppliers keep fucking up, whether it's ML1 needing massive repairs after launch (which will delay Artemis III because they cannibalized ML2 for parts), Orion integration (they discovered serious electrical problems during Artemis I along with the heat shield eroding too much) or the current admin driving up cost of materials with tariffs

>>16758204
>>16758240
And if the doors on flight 10 still fail? What will you say to me then?

>>16758096
Is that on the Tesla Diner menu?

>>16758282
>current admin driving up cost of materials with tariffs
What materials for artemis are affected by tariffs?

>>16758276
A first operational orbital launch in 2026 would be a 4 years delay compared to the timeline spacex gave to NASA for the HLS selection (Q2 FY = Q1 CY)
It's not too bad of course, it's comparable to New Glenn, Vulcan, Ariane 6...

>>16758282
Why is NASA able to do Commercial Crew at a regular pace, yet Artemis (with SLS and Orion supposedly tested and online) have bottlenecks to rapid launhes? Even Shuttle was launching multiple times a month (!)

>excitement is guaranteed (virgin) soiface ifls
>success would be better (chad)

some1 make the meme image im too lazy here is the text template tho

>>16758288
lol that was always completely unrealistic

>>16758292
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1958502956883640535

>>16758291
So was New Glenn launching in 2020, before its *production* even started, doesn't change these were official timelines

elon says: trust the plan
do you trust the plan?

>>16758299
I only care about people involved in spaceflight.

>>16758299
what's the plan? goon until you forget about space? yeah I trust he's seriously thinking about that.

>>16758301
>>16758304
see >>16758296

>>16758300
>Not knowing the difference between Revenue and Cash Available

>>16758305
I don't care about your literal who, wake me up when Shotwell or Bruno posts.

1) goonmax
2) ???
3) mars colony

>>16758305
He's lost the plot and the mandate of heaven. Musk is le gay

it's over
Flight 10 will fail again
it's over
Flight 10 will fail again
it's over
Flight 10 will fail again
it's over
Flight 10 will fail again
it's over
Flight 10 will fail again
it's over
Flight 10 will fail again
it's over
Flight 10 will fail again
it's over

>>16758233
The gap from zero to Artemis 1 was a bit longer.

>>16758164
so SpaceX employees also think that v3 will fix it
lmao

>>16758289
Because they didn't design Dragon or Starliner?

>>16758085
80%

>>16758315
They didnt design Space Launch System or Orion/ESM either

>>16758314
they cope just like us
>V3 will fi xeverything we totally didn't fuck up Starship ever since switching from v1
>managment and rot totally hasn't fucked us over
>shitty QC
>its all fine V3 will fix it, rapotr 3, v3 will fix everything then starship will work as envisioned!

>it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine v3 will fix it its fine

>>16758170
yeah, expected from Ars though

>>16758321
The only place I disagree here is that china will dominate regardless of spacex. The difference between spacex and nospacex is america being at the adults table or the kiddy table.

>>16758171
SpaceX is not doing it alone, Musk might though
he has the potential to put forward the funding if/when Teslas next business disruptions happen, or perhaps even just with SpaceX starlink revenue
how much would the US mars or moon budget be realistically? I think Musk will be able to start putting tens of billions into it at some point in the future
maybe if the US starts putting hundreds per year then yeah, Musk won't really have that capability probably ever (depends on how Optimus goes I guess), but will they do that?

>>16758279
a lot of problems with the launch vehicle were discovered and fixed

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1958561247755960508
>Super Heavy Booster 16 after being lifted onto the launch mount this morning for Starship test flight 10.

>>16758233
The last one failed on reentry and now NASA knows dead astronauts are in their future

>>16758335
>dead astronauts
This is why I come here.

>>16758253
Super heavy is solved tho

>>16758334
now what, SF?

>>16758340
nope. dynamic fire

>>16758340
booster 16 has already done a static fire
maybe they do a spin prime just to be sure

>words words words
>downboated regardless
orange reddit is fucking nuts

>>16758259
i'm feeling very proud of myself for knowing the answer to this right now

>>16758233
>>16758237
why move fast when SPACEX ARE NOT READY FOR ARTEMIS 3

>>16758345
>Nosecones as far as the eye can see.

Okay, that's done. How about building something else now?

>>16758358
self-hating americans or wumaos?
that is a pretty damning list of fucked up things

>>16758338
Then bet your allowance on No Explode.

>>16758370
its doing a water landing so an explosion is basically guaranteed

>>16758367
Name one contractor who is

>>16758371
That's not the bet. The bet is explodes in flight or upon tower landing.

>>16758367
why would thy be ready for a 2027 mission in 2025?

>>16758376
link it

>>16758379
No. Look at how the bets on previous launches resolved. Do your own homework.

>>16758376
Not really, it's worded so you win either way

>>16758388
That why you look at how bets resolved. Case in point: sfg has a debate on whether that previous Booster "exploded" in flight or if that was the plan all along. Bet resolved as Yes it exploded in flight, settling the matter.

>>16758380
nigga

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1958611083486536162
>Super Heavy booster moved to the launch pad at Starbase ahead of Starship's tenth flight test

>>16758402
it's over

>>16758368
It's the part of the rocket least likely to change, so no harm in having built in advance.

>>16758406
Jose had too much to drink the night before. Please understand.

>>16758398
gaybase.

>>16758398
They used 2700K or lower color temperature lighting in the residential areas to look retro (mimicking old school low pressure sodium lamps) and to differentiate from the manufacturing zones.
>>16758411
Same guy who gouged the COPV in S36, then pretended nothing happened

>>16758407
Production isn't supposed to build assemblies just to have them sit around, unless that's part of a plan. Building up finished Inventory to support a demand ramp or whatever.

>>16758275
SLS no longer gets clicks

>>16758292
I think it's funny that zommers can't comprehend a head of a company promoting its products.

>>16758307
Who is confusing revenue with profit there?

>>16758415
isn't it better for sleeping too
as little blue light as possible

>>16758320
There is a lot of cope going on but not by the SpaceX employees.

>>16758423
Yes, that's why people made programs to piss-filter computer screens in the evening and it was eventually integrated into windows and phones

>>16758171
>SpaceX is not doing this alone, colonizing Mars or the Moon is requires the entire nation.

SpaceX isn't doing it alone, but also remember that the non SpaceX Mars plans were a Mars sample return in the 2040's.

>>16758426
it works

>>16758287
Steel, primarily
Bechtel regularly cites the market price every time they have to explain why they broke the budget again

>>16758431
Sounds like an exercise in convenient excuse making when the cost of materials is a minimal contribution compared to delay induced labor cost bloat.

>>16758430
Sunday and Monday are not looking to good, weather wise. Tuesday might be the day.

>>16758164
I don't get why everyone's panties are in a twist about China beating America to the moon. America already beat them by like 50 years

>>16758449
Uhhhhhhmy fellow americans… the Moon?! We’ve been there!

>>16758449
its not enough to win, others must lose forever

>>16758253
>The market says Starship is a coin flip.
It always is.
It either succeeds or fails.
50% chance

>>16758343
>next Booster isn't even fully stacked
God-damn, we're fucked if the next launch is a failure. They won't be ready for another flight for like 3-4 months.

>>16758449
Crab in a bucket mentality, non American's are desperate to knock Americans down a peg even if it means sucking tiny yellow wangs.

>>16758454
>It either succeeds or fails.
Tell that to the wikipedia editors...

>>16758449
If it's so easy you did it 50 years ago do it again. You did maintain capability to land on the moon right?

>>16758459
there are two already flown boosters that can be used
the next booster is a v3 booster, there is not ready v3 ship either and Pad 2 is still a working progress as well so the point is moot anyway

>>16758459
This graphic is missing B17 for some reaosn.

>>16758449
>>16758460
>>16758465
Once China lands men on the Moon this century before America all MAGAtards and third worldists will forever claim and believe that China were actully the first ones to ever do it in history. While Chinks wont outright say Apollo was fake they will amplify voices saying so. You already see it, most Russians think Apollo was fake because of the bs their government pushes.

>>16758469
>there are two already flown boosters that can be used!

May we see them?

>>16758484
in the pic you replied to at first >>16758343
are you retarded?

>>16758469
B12 is a Block 1 booster (yes there's a distinction with B2 boosters) and useless, so one reflown effectively

>>16758486
oh
well one ship and one booster then after this stack

>>16758480
Apollo was a touch-and-go genital measuring contest from a completely different era; the USSR doesn’t even exist anymore and the “America” of today is almost completely disconnected from the geopolitical entity that was the post-war USA of the 50s and 60s.
America raced for the banana first, but it rotted its teeth. China will plant their flag soon and have the first meaningful presence beyond LEO—all whilst America desperately tries to stumble its way back to relevancy while crying about their past achievements performed by ghosts and retirees!

Let's talk about Vulcan reusability. It has been hinted that they are working on novel methods 'beyond' engine and aft section recovery and of course ACES. What could it possibly be? (no fairing or SRBs)

>>16758491
>China will plant their flag soon and have the first meaningful presence beyond LEO
don’t count your chickens before hey hatch

>>16758115
SpaceX should have gone for the expendable upper stage(s) first, so they'd have some success under their belt.

>>16758498
yup, chasing reuse while iterating was stupid

>>16758495
Ironically Vulcan is more reusable than Starship (it's launchpad is actually reusable). SpaceX needs to catch upor be left in the dust.

>>16758503
>it's launchpad is actually reusable
that's a great idea, somebody tell SLS

>>16758364
I am glad I provided that opportunity, anon

>>16758509
>https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1958650651442909306
see you next month loser.

>>16758423
rockets need sleep like everyone does

>>16758491
How will putting a man on the Moon overcome even just Falcon?

>>16758402
>itt- things that will never be fully or rapidly reusable

>>16758495
Solar sail re-entry
Trust the plan

>>16758258
Here are the rules:
>This market will resolve to "Yes" if the booster for the tenth Starship-SuperHeavy test explodes at any point during the test from the start of fueling operations to 60 minutes after it makes contact with Earth upon landing. Otherwise, this market will resolve to “No”.
>An explosion is defined as a violent and catastrophic event resulting in the destruction of all or part of the vehicle, regardless of intent or context (e.g., a planned termination event would also count).
>If the tenth launch does not occur by December 31, 2025, at 11:59 PM ET, this market will resolve to "No".
>Note: The sixth Starship-SuperHeavy test flight which exploded after executing controlled splashdown in the Gulf of Mexico would qualify for a "Yes" resolution.
Seems like the answer to your question is yes.

Member when Space News wasn’t paywalled?

Nobody gives a fuck tranny. we don't do it for free.

Remember when we thought we were going to Mars?

Nobody gives a fuck tranny. Starwars isn't real.

spaceflight

>>16758655
hey, i like that

Remember when musk cared about us

>>16758660
When Elon fails us, we really do live in a world of terror.

>>16758662
We need a plan

>>16758665
I’ve got the concept of a plan

>>16758665
100% sure he's already chosen his successor in case something happens to him. I can already imagine it, young, ambitious, autistic, and quite unorthodox when it comes to following rules. Perfect fit. The thing is, nobody out there knows who it might be. Some do believe that it could be one of his many sons, but meh, too predictable.

>>16758672
Vivian Musk redemption arc

>Mars 2033

Lol! Nope.

>>16758681
Holy dogshit

>>16758681
most expensive image ever posted on esefgee?

Your Party must also a Level 8 Magic User, two or more Level 5 Half Elf Thieves and a tamed Pegasus.

>travel to other planets
we sleep
>travel backwards in time
real shit

Assuming Starship ever works, there's your realistic launch window.

>>16758706
>180 days out
>430 days back
>that's 6+14 months in space
short stay is so retarded

>>16758706
Why not just send people who have nothing to lose? Don't have to worry about returning

>>16758672
>100% sure he's already chosen his successor in case something happens to him.
yes, here she is

>>16758681
>crew has to spend 570 days inside a module that fits in an 8.4m fairing
This is North Korean suicidal Mars astronaut tier

>>16758728
She actually looks bad, like a mouth breather. Blank stare, random gestures that don't match her words. Actual slop

>>16758491
Nobody cares.
There is nothing for humans to do out there. Every other space rock is too far and too hostile.

>>16758700
>direct reentry from solar orbit
>with Orion's heatshield

>>16758742
OK boomer

x-37b launch in 1/2 bong https://www.spacex.com/launches/ussf36

>>16758728
>A fucking AI replacing the muskrat in chief
I-I... haven't thought about that. Quite the scenario, unironically speaking it would be an interesting timeline.

>>16758746
live https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1BdGYZlPbDQJX

>>16758746
used to be I could make a F9 launch thread and get 100+ posts. In the old days....

>>16758763
I 'member when Tim Dodd used to live stream every single F9 launch. Those comfy live chats in the early morning...

god that boeing ad was cringe

oh no
not the near-peer nations
I'm shaking

no wait this one might be more cringe

>"it's a team sport"
yeah like calvinball lol

fun fact I ate in a space force cafeteria today
the specials were ribs, and caesar salad

>>16758735
>When they pass by a planet, the astronauts start clawing frantically at the window like feral cats trying to get out.

launch

>>16758735
Oldspace really loves tincans, what else to say.

>>16758198
>>16758276
What's even more funny is that Starship was supposed to deploy V2 Starlink to the tune of 25 launches a year in 2022. Still not as funny as orbit in 2019 but it's pretty good.

>>16758728
would it be copyright violation to have it dress up in Clear's livery?

yet another W
515 launches
474 landings

>>16758792
>474 landings
You forgot the most important part.
>Rest of the world combined: 0

>>16758794
welcome to the club

>>16758790
japs don't understand how to exploit us copyright law BUT it'd probably make clear cry. she probably hates ai girls like any proper yamato nadeshiko vtuber would.

>>16758795
Carnival rides don't count.

>>16758183
Von Braun had aura.

>>16758449
Because unlike the US, China doesn't plan on stopping at planting flags and picking up some rocks.

>>16758745
Shitskin

>>16758296
What don't we understand about Elon's plan here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle
what

>>16758806
its BS like simulation theory

>>16758807
no

>>16758658
>2033
>a fucking flyby
NASA is so fucking pathetic it's unreal

>ISS volume: 900m3
>Starship volume: 1000m3
And it's one big cylinder as well not a series of claustrophobic tubes.

>>16758809
By 2033 they'll be talking about a flyby in the 2050s, I guarantee you lmao.

>>16758743
> For the 2033 Mars mission, the entry velocity would be at 12km/s compared to 11km/s for the Artemis lunar missions.

"Oh just the one, Monsieur. Voilà!"

>>16758811
>Starship volume: 1000m3
who's gonna tell him?

>>16758822
wow
a metric kilometer

>Funding augmentation for the 2033 mission would need to begin in 2023 in order to meet a nominal development schedule. The augmentation funding would peak in 2029 at 2.9 billion U.S. dollars (USDs) for that year. The total real year dollar cost for the funding augmentation to the NASA budget for conducting the mission is estimated to be about 17.7 billion USDs.

There's a number to give Old Space wood.

>>16758507
>>16758512

>>16758805
This is just what happens when an autistic man has the money to attempt to solve every problem that is important to him at the same time.
The downside is that his time is limited and his maniac leadership does actually seem to be the thing that makes these companies leapfrog everyone else.

>>16758589
That's probably why the odds are so high, people have realized the weakness in the rules

>>16758862
>2025
>Still falling for the autism deception
Come on anon, you should be smarter than this.

>>16758131
No one will ever live on mars, the gravity would be ruinous to your long term health, there is no fauna there, all food would be imported for the first 20 years, growing anything, including ina dome would require above ground fertilizer factories, which would be shipped from earth, there is no reasonable way to import enough water to create a reasonable substantial cycle. Anyone these things could be done In arid zones on earth for a .ooq fraction of the costs.
The most realistic outlook is a massive robotic run colony with occasional short term stays by research scientists.
Due to the gravity problem alone, it would be safer to build floating space colonies than something on mars. While zero gravity is also bad for your health, it is manageable

>>16758075 (OP)
honestly at this point, change the name to "sucking off elon's dick general"

>>16758847
Which Sunday?

>>16758170
>>16758183
TikTok did a fucking number on the younger generations. It should have been banned outright when it launched.

>>16758959
>t. longnose

>>16758790
She's my candidate
>livery
lmao

>No one is talking about OTV-8
So USSF just sent up basically alien technology up there and no one is talking about it, typical /sfg/

>>16759072
It's far from the first time, and just like before, we have no idea what's onboard the thing, and they aren't going to tell us what it actually is and what it actually does before we're aging out on our death beds.

>>16759077
>deathbeds
try, ever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misty_(satellite_program)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P865u594tEQ
>Pushed to the Limit - SpaceX's Starship Raptor Engines

>>16758925
there is ice on mars, you would not be importing water for long
floating space colonies (orbitals) can have any gravity you want by simply spinning, and will probably be the optimal way to live in the (somewhat) far future, but the problem is getting mass into orbit
on mars you have all the required elements, you "just" have to build the supply chain
moving asteroids or massive amounts of material to build orbitals is a bigger problem and a mars colony might be the first step in something like that anyway

>>16759080
They have ~40 years to reveal whatever the hell that is before they're overdue.

Whats the chance of Starship becoming the 747 of space travel when they start really maturing and printing out 1 Starship a day?

>>16759086
0, instead they'll become the dark souls of video games

>>16759086
50/50

>>16759083
George Sowers (who designed ACES and was fired by ULA for it) is teaching a course about developing space colonies at the Colorado School of Mines. Basically the idea is to source the initial materials from Earth, and then transition into in-space manufacturing. Water ice is vital for this plan. But revenue is critical, they need some 'super app' that will be the bread and butter for the space economy, maybe that's space solar power or something else.

How is elon’s vested interests in chinese tesla not an automatic disqualifier for HLS? It’s perfectly reasonable to believe 2025 is a “lost year” for starship precisely as a concession to give LM9 and Lanyue time for developmental catch-up. Musk promises to sit around on his ass, and in return gets rewarded with continued business deals w the PRC

>>16759098
bc the US gov is too reliant on SpaceX, this gives him a tremendous amount of leverage, no one is going to bat an eye about any of that until SEVERAL LSPs have mature capabilities rivaling them

>>16758672
Musk has no sucessor. He is obviously a huge narcissict to the point that he lies compulsively to make himself look good. People of that caliber do not pick sucessors because they do not want to imagine let alone for a world where they will no longer be here. And if it's plain sailing undder Musk's sucessor then it diminishes his owne greatness in comparison. Conviously or subconciously he wants itall to burn down after he has died. Notice how he always said (back when he actually believed in it) that the Mars colony should happen within HIS lifetime. For all his talk of lofty far in the future shit he has never ever mentioned his companies doing goals beyond his lifetime. Try toind an example. There isn't one.

It's happening. China is exploring the incel moon, Enceladus, with a submersible! (1/2)

>>16759129
It is currently unknown what rocket will be used to launch it as China lacks a very high C3 vehicle. (2/2)

>>16759124
>Musk has no sucessor
He has like 12 kids

>>16759131
>He has like 12 kids
And the ones who are old enough don't like him and don't want to follow in his footsteps. Wake up. That's why he suddenly flipped frombeing an absentee father to trying to groom X and take him everywhere. Won't work because Musk is an unstable and explosive man who you would naturallygrow to despise if you were his child. He behaves the same as his own dad ironically. According to that trans son he has, he was shouting at himcalling him a faggot and stuff. Jokes about trannys aside what kind of father does that?

>>16759134
>And the ones who are old enough don't like him and don't want to follow in his footsteps
Who besides the trans one?

>>16759134
>According to that trans son he has, he was shouting at himcalling him a faggot and stuff
But the kid is a faggot

>>16759135
isnt it telling that when musk larps as a good dad he can only ever get the ones too young enough to have agency to show up?
>where is the explicit video confession from eachof his kids that they hate him!??1!!
who would actually do that apart from an unhinged transgender? Unreasonable burdern of proof.

>>16759149
Space is hard

>>16759147
Something more than circumstantial evidence please. No, this is not some unreasonable standard and no amount of histrionic meme arrows will change this.

>>16759147
the other older kids are still in uni i'm pretty sure and probably want to stay somewhat incognito so insane people don't attack them

>>16759149
>oh no, the satellite fell down before we could turn it on
>oh no the meme drive circuit still hasn't switched on yet
>space is hard

>>16759167
>>16759147
oldest 21
still a few years for any of them to have any reason to start having a public face
assuming a 4 year degree, griffin would graduate next year and then even if he wanted to become a successor, that would only happen after years in either one of musks companies or doing something else (like startups or whatever)

>>16758925
>the gravity would be ruinous to your long term health
thats really not clear at this point. we know that zero G/free fall causes some issues over time but we've never tested for mars gravity. it might turn out to be suitable for long duration stays

>>16759171
>Techno Mechanicus

>>16759086
if it works reliably then sure why not. like the F9. chances? 100%

>>16759194
we are not slaves to machines or their masters

>>16758811
>not a series of claustrophobic tubes.

“ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT CERES. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE. USE THEM TOGETHER. USE THEM IN PEACE.”

>>16759171
*Dolphin Noise" Musk

Hope Grimy was worth this public humiliation at the kid's high school graduation.

ANOTHER China article, also fuck spacenews for the paywall

>>16759171
>Techno Mechanicus Musk

>>16759228
I think it's a code for Xavier Ash Archangel
There was some logic to it which I forget

>>16759194
Is elon purposefully trying to be “le both sides hate me now I guess XD” because he is speedrunning this good faith burning

>>16759170
>>oh no, the satellite fell down before we could turn it on
Genuinely not his fault.

>>16759098
The fact that you think LM9 is China's Moon rocket is not helping your case.

>>16759222
It's not really about the landing, thanks to Jupiter it's constantly sterilized, I'm worried about the internal ocean.
We could contaminate it and possibly lose the only alien ecosystem at our reach.

>>16759086
It's not really about how many they can make, it's about how much do they cost to be flyable again.
Even the shuttle was fully reusable.

>>16759149
Can't turn something on if it never worked in the first place.

>>16759268
Not this side of the 2030s but there are items that only the LM9 can carry which popsci has not covered. Also worth noting that le giant rocket is not the only way to deliver heavy cargo. But ultimately they need an SHLV for the next phase of their space program, but it can wait.

Long March 10B is a thing now, apparently.
Most netizen seem to believe it is the commercial/non-CMSA version of LM10A, and this is probably relatively close to the truth, but in fact we aren't sure.

I think it's best understood to LM10A as what the LM8/8A is to LM7, a Chinarocket-operated derivative with possibly new launch infrastructures, various cost-cutting improvements enabled by the lack of Crewed spaceflight requirements, and maybe even more deeply modified stages (we do know that Chinarocket is interested in 5m diameter Methane stages).

>>16759237
What is with all this red scare China articles popping up after each other? They’re coming up daily now

>>16759302
NASA budget working its way thru Congress. Waving the Bloody Red Shirt to distract everyone from the Department's endless failures as they slather on the lard.

>>16759086
0%

>>16759298
I appreciate the Chinese program posting but at this point I have no fucking clue what is actually happening over there, there are a gazillion different rockets and the names all become a blur to me.

>>16759302
Gotta try and convince retard politicians somehow.

>>16759310
yeah i feel that way too

>>16759302
Red scare has been the only effective way to ever get politicans to care.

Just finalized my book on fleets and space cruisers.

>>16759329
r8

>>16758170
>how dare you oppose zogmerica

>>16759268
I meant to say LM10, I rarely get them mixed up

>>16759194
Except the birthrates were collapsing long before the internet, social media, and ubiquitous porn. So Elon is either lying or stupid

>>16758451
What an absolutely abysmal thing to have said, fuck.

>check on this jenny for the first time I a year
>musktards finally admitting that shartship is a meme and elon is a midwit narcissist
apologize

>>16759385
You post here all day dear anon.

>>16759392
AND every day, too.

>>16759385
/sfg/ has always been a glenny thread

>>16759375
In defense of Obama (which I reluctantly do here) relations with Russia were at an all-time high in the early 2000s; the ISS was still expanding on-schedule and keeping its goal of a) cow-tying old soviet scientists into focusing on the Station instead of big ICBM rockets, and b) giving the Shuttle something to do. Constellation was prohibitively expensive and all the advisers were saying it would only balloon in price. There was no political incentive to keep it alive, McCain / Romney would have probably said the same thing that Obama did. It was grim then and the compromise that made everyone happay was to pivot to SLS so all the jobs stayed online and the prospect of any serious moon landing (which nobody really cared about) could just be kicked down the road 10-20 yrs
Fuck everything I hate our leaders and overlords

>>16759392
Anon I made 1 post comparing shartship to N1 last year and you room temps had a 400 post melty. Take your meds

>>16759385
I would let Elon kill my whole family if it meant we got to Mars 1 day sooner

>>16759403
Kek

Trust in Tory

>>16759310
The basic facts are that the Chinese astronautics sector has as many workers as the american one. It also has roughly similar commercial investment PPP ajusted.
The CNSA and CMSA programs are extremely methodical, well funded and laid out in 20 years plans, some of the military satellites programs are also seemingly well planned, although the success rate isn't as high.

Everything else, commercial launcher and satellites is a mess, several subsidiaries of gigantic (each one is as large as airbus or boeing) State owned companies are competing with each other, and the private sector is only 10 years old and notably hasn't had a real "burst" cycle yet so there hasn't been any "natural selection" , they're all competing for the same internal market and crumbs of the foreign ones.

A bunch of official directives to provinces and cities to fund spaceflight projects mean that it's relatively easy for any new startup to get dozens if not hundreds of millions of Yuans of invesments, and existing commercial companies are incentivised to spread subsidiaries over the country. Less worker regulations also mean it's harder for a company to get out of business, they can easily decide not to pay worker for several months without too much risks.

Also more generally the supply chain situation is better and that applies to aerospace subcontractors, so there's less need for vertical integration and it's easier to set up new companies.

>>16759403
For me, it's a military base race on the moon. The actual realistic next step in space flight

>>16759385
My opinion on E has changed but Starship is still cool. It just has a distracted leader running the ship right now. Either everyone can lock back in and the accelerationism can continue—or worst-case-scenario it just becomes a cheap SHLV which is still fine. It will be an upgraded F9/FH no matter what. Yeah v2 sucks but I don’t see the stack as a whole undergoing any more “shuttle-fication”…

>>16759400
I still think it would have been cool, fucking around in LEO another 15+ years was not worth killing Constellation over.
Imagine pitching the idea today of giving up your manned spaceplane (call Shuttle what you like idc) in order to pay Russia for rides to LEO instead. How times change.

>>16759357
>tfw my country had higher birth rate in 2015 than in 1910 and people still try to blame TFR decline on the latest trendy issue.

>>16759092
You'd be surprised where all those old Planetary Resources guys ended up, because they sure didn't give up the dream

>>16759414
Yeah also nobody would have believed you if you said “just wait and trust the plan, the market of the future will give you multiple commercial heavy and super heavy lift vehicles”
That even seemed out of reach as late as circa 2017… we just had an explosion of newer, cheaper options. Hindsight is 20-20 and nobody could have known that the better option would be to just keep Ares-I and Orion alive (probably the cheapest option while still allowing grift) and then reworking everything else in F9/FH/New Glenn/Vulcan/Starship

>>16759423
Nah true hindsight would have been to kill Ares in its entirety (and no SLS), but keep those shuttle jobs with the Altair Lander.

Starship flight in Sunday, technical update in Sunday.
This Sunday is gonna be EEEEPPPPIIIICCCC

>>16759408
Chinese metallurgy though...

>>16759423
Right but Constellation should have just been funded 100% without caveat or delay, money isn't even real so I don't care about cost overruns.

>>16759426
Elon is going to forget that he promised a technical update

>>16759426
Shuttle C

>>16759431
He won't forget. Last time he chose not to because it blew up

>>16759385
nothing has changed, this is just a bit of downtime with V3 related things still being built (pad, ship and booster in the very least, v3 raptor mass production might not really be in the swing either)

lmao vast's station now costs 15% more
No refunds

>>16759414
Anon, Constellation was on an even worse schedule than Artemis.

>>16759444
It'd have been ready by now.

>>16759443
damn, the tariffs hit hard.

>>16759449
Judging by the mobile launcher fiasco haaaaaa no

>>16759449
Anon, Orion is from the Constellation program and it is still not ready.

>>16759403
Based, that's the true /sfg/ spirit.

I volunteer to go to Venus and parachute at high altitude, one way for data gathering.

So, I can see the skyfish in person

>>16759409
Mars actually has sovl unlike the Moon.

>>16759306
>>16759312
>>16759323
Also want to add on, what changed their perspective on the Space race? Because at the start of the year, the consensus was that there's no way China would land on the Moon before Artemis III. But it seems to have flipped 180 degrees since. Hell, I remember watching a Eric Berger interview in 2023 where he stated that there's no way that Artemis III won't land first years before China and mocked the chinese flag and footprint style missions, compared to the bulk cargo Starship can put out.

>>16759268
It clearly is. The CZ-10 is just a stopgap measure to get boots on the Moon while the LM-9 is undergoing redesign to become a Starship clone.
>>16759298
>>16759310
>>16759314
>>16759408
I can't wait until the day when the Chinese commercial rocket sector consolidates to a more manageable number of companies and rockets. It's gonna take another 3-5 more years though.

>>16759194
Only fakecels talk to toasters.

>>16759298
>netizen
Are you Chinese?

>>16759509
I do not find the agreement machine to be very social and especially not sexy. Everything it says just reeks of fakeness, no matter what.

>>16759502
>what changed their perspective on the Space race?

The need to generate clicks.

https://nextspaceflight.com/

How do you guys feel about the website's design change?

>>16759514
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/22/investing-in-space-the-us-china-space-race-is-getting-tighter.html

Speaking of which, here's another daily China vs America space race article.

>>16759515
I do not use cellular phone applications and resent when websites cater to 'those users'.

>>16759515
it's fine I guess

>>16759515
It's literally basic bitch bootstrap, so it's probably baby's first website

>>16759511
No, this is just a quicker way of saying Chinese Internet users.

>>16759502
>the consensus
Anyone who was level headed knew since the start of the decade that it'd be a close thing (I still bet on A3 being first, but not by much), Artemis originally had a 2028 target and only Trump brought it to 2024,which was purely a political date, 2028 was always the "baseline", and it'd have taken. And on the chinese side Chang'e 5 and Tiangong being more or less on time proved CNSA/CMSA could do ambitious lunar and crewed programs on time, and that they'd be on the moon by the end of the decade.

The "popular" online anglophone concensus change is probably mainly driven by the perception of american decline and increased great power rivalry after the trump election, everything else (NASA cuts and empty rethoric, Starship problems, musk's disinterest in the moon, people finally seeing the previously implied chinese progress, Artemis II taking way more time than it should have) is secondary to that perception.

Another happy landing

another happy landing

>>16759544
>>16759545
hivemind

>>16759467
Orion probably has guts from a Big Apollo proposal in the 60s like Big Gemini.

Superheavy should be carbon fiber, it doesn’t have to deal with reentry heating, so why bother with steel?

>>16759449
The Saturn V did this in one launch in 1969.

>>16759562
Let's just build another Saturn V then, seems simple enough.

>>16759564
why settle for a design that was only good by the standards of 1970? we should build a better rocket

You now remember Wubbo.

>>16759569
If they are in zero gee, then how are they standing up on the ground? Checkmate globetards

>>16759568
Hmm what about some sort of mostly-reusable space plane shuttle?

>>16759569
Loved him in SENPAI

>>16759578
Wait hold on, what if we just use parts of THAT to make a new rocket? It should be quick and cheap, right?

>>16759556
Yep. They did.

>>16759544
love it

>>16759581
Protip: You have to use 4AM or the full title to get around a filter.

Honestly very impressive that SpaceX could get together another launch this quickly after the test site blew up

>>16758075 (OP)
NOT AGAIN....... Elon should really invest more time in SpaceX than posting AI pictures...

>>16759600
expendable test sites are the way to go

I'm ready for the inflection point. The great redemption. Compounding success.

>>16759610
the next version will increase wall thicknesses by 0.000001mm to see what happens

>>16759610
remember when new glenn actually did this?

>>16759610
bad shoop

Raptors are too small
change my mind

>>16759618
ngl I thought it was actually pretty well done.

>>16759408
>The basic facts are that the Chinese astronautics sector has as many workers as the american one. It also has roughly similar commercial investment PPP ajusted.
Can you link the source for this? I am extremely curious about the methodology used to find this out. Almost none of the relevant players are publicly traded so I wonder where they could get the numbers from.

>>16759617
remember when tank pressurization was necessary to maintain stack integrity?

>>16759621
it was good

>>16759594
I know, I type it out just for fun

>>16759619
your peanus weanus is too small, change my mind.

>>16759623
That's the fun part, 'official' Chinese numbers are always suspect. A great example of this is how their birth and death rates don't math out in support of their official population.

Are you guys excited for tomorrow??

>>16759663
Yes! We’ve got the fishing boat loaded up, ready to be launched into the gulf at Boca!

>>16759663
No, because the NET is more than 52 hours from now.

I have a middle ground solution: Isaacman as head of SpaceX

>>16759086
does that make the Falcon 9 the DC-3 or the 737?

>>16759171
you can tell he really lost it with Grimes
but all are extraneous: Damian is obviously the anti-christ. Expect the rest to start suffering bizarre and fatal "accidents" in the coming years.

>>16759687
>>16759171
Can't wait for the Wilson, Grimes, Zilis clan wars after Mars is divvied up between them.

The Mars Resource Wars are coming

>>16759663
No. The Mexican protest fleet means it will be a day of range violation scrubs until the clock runs out.

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1958613548957155780
Is US icbm tech outdated?

>>16759690
A near-vacuum atmosphere and a dark briny subsurface ocean 15 impossible-to-drill-to kilometers down don’t count as desirable resources my friend. Mars is a shithole. Even the barren lunar south pole is more of a treasure worth fighting for.

>>16759694
the resources are the beautiful views and peace and quiet. these are the truly scare things in life.

>>16759692
1) Off topic
2) Begone Chink

>>16759691
The Coast Guard can legally strafe those boats with automatic gunfire now, and I hope they do.

>>16759691
Oh well they can get arrested and have their boats seized if they don't pay the huge fines that will be imposed.
Is that worth it to postpone the launch until visibility improves?
Fuck if I care, its not my fucking problem, and protests accomplish nothing. A few more spics getting arrested and fined isn't gonna hurt me, hopefully more join this "protest" (what are they mad about this time? does it even matter)
I just hope the visibility is good for takeoff

>>16759400
i'm too lazy to look this up here but the 2009 augustine report that obama was using as his guide presented the option of an artemis-style lunar return alongside the "flexible path" of asteroid shit obama ended up choosing. so there was no overriding political pressure making him pick the asteroids. somebody legitimately thought that an asteroid would be more exciting than the moon and obama agreed.

>>16759716
Even at the time people thought ARM was a joke and Constellation a jobs program

>>16759679
ok now THAT is funny

>>16759741
and obviously those people were right. if obama had gone with the moon in 2010 we'd be in no better position today. i just think it's revealing to see that they saw no value in the space program other than as a prestige tool which needed to achieve 'firsts' even if those firsts were stupid.

>>16759691
The Mexicans have violated range every launch so far, they literally watch 3mi inside the FAA exclusion zone (2mi from launch site). If they cross the border they're dead meat.

>>16759692
In a war we are so fucked. Locksneed, Raytheon, Northrup, Boeing are not fucking up to the task

>>16759692
what do interceptor SAMs have to do with ICBMs?

>>16759509
AI gooning is 95% dominated by women.

>>16759713
background stage props for the technical update?

>>16759544
>>16759545
What happens if I ask for a happy landing in a chinese massage parlor?

>>16759785
it wasnt apparent to Zubrin when they met? what does that even mean?

>Rocket Lab has completed the neutron pad per their website! I’ll be heading down tomorrow to try and get the first pictures of the fully completed neutron launch pad!

https://x.com/WallopsVant24/status/1958916254498267634

>>16759785
>what is there to hate?
he's literally a nazi hate monger because he won't do what the insane left tells him to do WRRRRRRGARBL

>>16759785
programming isnt engineering. using hard math to solve physical problems is. elon is not an engineer.

>>16759797
>programming isn't engineering
>using hard math to solve physical problems is engineering
Lmao. Fucking retard.

Real engineering uses a slide rule and log tables

I am a peerless genius

Now that Berger on Arstechnica has admitted defeat concerning the Starship, what's next for SpaceX?

@16759795
wow someone got triggered

welp that was fast... OTV-8 spaceplane already found

Elon Musk has been recorded making numerous physics related blunders on Twitter

>>16759825
twitter is not a serious place. he's also displayed lapse in humor. oh no.

>>16759825
That must be why Starship failed. He is doing all the engineering

>>16759825
(Falcon is a great rocket - NOT of Elon's design!)

Reminder that almost no data from this mysterious instrument was released

>>16759831
>Rod Hilton (@rodhilton@mastodon.social) I know a lot about software development and running a business, so now I'll never ride in a Tesla nor trust anything to a SpaceX rocket.

That would be the Rod Hilton who isn't the World's Richest Man. But he did cash in his Google options to buy The Onion, so let's see how that works out for him.

>>16759834
Kinda reminds me to a radar

reminder that starship is a dinky little boat and we won't have true ships of the stars until we make them at least 100 times the volume

>>16759831
He's so stupid at software that cars drive themselves and computers talk like redditors

>>16759765
cao ni ma gweilo

>>16759834
>Rover nutsack
Take my money

>>16759848
truckballs for the 21st century

>>16759810
log tables? why made out of logs?

Can water be accelerated to supersonic speeds(speed of sound in water) by a converging nozzle?

>>16759867
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpheidae

Belated Press S to Spit
>Thiokol engineer Roger Boisjoly stated that: "[Lucas] ran [the MSFC] like a Gestapo prison camp! And I'm not exaggerating when I say that. He had his people under him scared to death because he could crush their career in a heartbeat. And he had basically stated that: 'The Marshall Space Flight Center would never, ever be responsible for delaying a launch'. Now that's sick! A guy like that should have been taken out and shot right on the spot!"[4]

>>16759228
>high school graduation
The kid's education is hand-curated and he's likely a genius, there's going to be no traditional curriculum for him.

>>16759874
How was he able to crush someone's career in a heartbeat?

how the fuck does dude grow a massive beard in a month

>>16759878
The space industry is really, really, really small
If you're outed as a fuckup you'll never work in it again

require reading for /sfg/
fucking Mormons baka

>>16759171
>14 year gap
>names get much weirder and romantic involvement with the mothers is minimal to none
The new crop are all from CRISPR edited, sequenced, handpicked embryos, I guarantee. These kids are literally designed to be successors.

>>16758909
As an autistic sociopath I can tell you without a doubt that he is both.

>>16758862
>his maniac leadership does actually seem to be the thing that makes these companies leapfrog everyone else.
this

>>16759883
as an even bigger autistic sociopath i can tell you that you aint even trying

>>16759883
That's an extremely uncommon combination but it does exist. Odds are even smaller that the two of you would happen to have the same extraordinarily rare combo. Since we're on 4chan, there's some selection bias, which makes autism and other neural divergent conditions such as sociopathy far more likely, so maybe both of you are broken in the same way.

As an autistic peerless genius polymath egomaniac I have to admit Musk is somewhat similar to me

boomers and feminists set up society for their own benefit
and then wonder why TFR has been dropping since the 60's

as an atheist,

>>16759881
Hydropac (spelling?) churned out the o rings. They never provided advice for or against the use of their product in cold weather. >Not our problem. Thiokol just assembled the booster

For as dead as they beat that horse of an investigation, there were still stones left unturned

>>16759878
where u gonna get a job?
At NASA or one of their contractors who only do work for them?

>>16759878
Especially during the 80s. The Cold War was still raging and most hiring was done through personal connections. At best someone pushed out would get a job as a university adjunct.

How much cocaine do I need to snort to have an ego the size of Musk's?

>>16759171
The seventh son of a seventh son is destined to be a leader of humanity. Since Elon isn't a seventh son himself, he will have to start that line with X Æ A-X, ensuring that X has seven sons himself. Since female siblings ruin the line, selection will need to be used to ensure that X has no daughters until after his seventh son is born.
>The seventh son of a seventh son is a concept from folklore regarding special powers given to, or held by, such a son. To qualify as "the seventh son of a seventh son" one must be the seventh male child born in an unbroken line with no female siblings born between, and to a father who himself is the seventh male child born in an unbroken line with no female siblings born between. The number seven has a long history of mystical and biblical significance, such as seven virtues, seven deadly sins, Seven Sleepers and Seven Heavens.

what color is ur bugatti ?

>>16759899
Go with raging insecurity instead. It leads to the same behavior and is much easier to accomplish.

>>16759499
Dead planet

Make way for the solar system's best planetary body:

>>16759905
name 3 planets that aren't

Thanks for the topic suggestions guys. My new vid is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxOh0fPhJGk

>>16759907
It's definitely up there in the top 5 for sure. I've noticed growing /sfg/ contrarianism against it though idk why. It's essentially a planet by almost all accounts, very cool destination

>>16759908
Mercury Venus Earth

eli5 why did 1970s America take 5 years to get to the moon but 2020s America is taking more than 10 years

>>16759908
>>16759912
bodied

>>16759913
Political fanaticism against all things communism, JFK is wildly popular at the time and makes a famous speech challenging both his country and his adversary to land an American man on the lunar surface before the decade is through, unlimited resources diverted to this project, almost entirely merit-based NASA sweating bullets but going full autism without training wheels and cranking out a post-war industrial complex back to WW2-era efficiency, minimal to no regulations, virgin middle-of-nowhere facilities to test any technology at any pace, etc.
Modern day is different. Why go to the Moon? There is no incentive, except to drag out the theatrics of trying to go, and purposefully feeding cost-plus contracts that explicitly state you get more money and time from daddy gooberment if you ask for it.

>>16759913
>5 years
Took a little longer than that. The timeline is comparable with our modern efforts. Also the yearly budget for the Apollo program alone was more than nasas entire yearly budget today.

>>16759913
budget.

>>16759910
Very cool, thank you Eager

>>16759913
they basically didn't stop between 1955-1972 with almost as much money as they wanted using large portions of many private companies staffed with the best engineers of the generation, spurred on to a national level effort to fight the bad guys. It was a whole other playing field.

IVO QI drive #2 looks to be another nothingburger

From
>"wow wtf we dont know how this is working nothing let to do but test it in space"
To
>*silence* and a decaying orbt

We're stuck relying on chemical rockets for the next century

Starship has to work or spaceflight is fucked.

refueling test in 2026 "if fortune favors us" according to Musk, that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who has closely followed statements however;

Eager Nigga
https://youtu.be/KxOh0fPhJGk

>>16759516
China's Moon program is a repeat of Apollo, and will face the same fate unless they copy Starship.

>>16759932
From “regular orbital refueling tests in 2025” to “if we get lucky, we might be able to squeeze in a single test by 2026”

>>16759930
Until we figure out how to break our dependence on chemical rockets and successfully put a living human body into cryosleep, space is a farce. The best we can hope for is development of the orbital construction industry.

>>16759939
As long as it's ready by 2030, which was my personal bet when Artemis was announced

>>16759930
I'm glad it doesn't work because the implications are annoying
>infinite free energy

>>16759949
yeah that would suck. Energy should be a pain in the ass to get

>>16759960
thats right

>>16759862
Are you telling me the rovers have been dragging their nuts all over the Martian landscape for the last decade or two? I can't think of anything more American than that.

>>16759918
This. We basically spent all our Civilization development points into the Space skill for five years, and cheated ahead of our proper tech level. Just like this crazy bitch who put every point into the Explosion skill.
Then we couldn't afford to do it anymore, and the Military Industrial Complex behind it turned to spending all their points into bombing gooks in Asia.

>>16759978
$10 billion of nuclear powered rovers and NASA couldn't bother to put even a single life detection instrument on any of them. They could have been running over Mars Possums every day and never notice. Yeah -- great work that.

launch in two days and I feel nothing

>>16760046
Go play ksp and get excited about spess again :)

>>16760053
I stopped playing ksp when they added more planets than mun

>>16760055
Just one more duna colony bro come on bro it'll work this time bro please

>>16760046
Elon himself was the magic spark that made things happen, the motivation, the vibes, the loyalty, drive, trust, and talent attraction. But, now the mojo is gone. All the energy has been sucked out of the room, everyone involved, even us, who are not involved at all besides cheerleading from the peanut gallery. Without fans to vibe this thing to Mars, its as good as dead. Our hero is masturbating in front of a PC monitor and calling people he hates big ol' faggots, and doing drugs, just like us, totally jaded and no longer caring

>>16760012
The only way that would be possible is if a gigantic rover was sent, even bigger than MSL

Some of the machines they need are absolutely enormous and impractical to miniaturize, not for lack of trying. It's one of the main cases for MSR in fact

>>16760012
I'm beginning to suspect there's some ulterior motivation there. They don't want to detect life for some reason.

>>16760068
>Some of the machines they need are absolutely enormous
Such as?

>>16760067
He got high off his own reply guys farts and lost sight of the movement. Even the Starship updates are so incredibly sterile now. I don't think he's pushing the team very hard, he spends all his time gooning and shitposting. He cares more about XAI and dick measuring against Sam Altman

>>16760077
I suppose I could find out, but my browser literally refuses to connect to MEPAG's report (http://mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/reports/iMARS_FinalReport.pdf)

This is so fucking funny

HTV-X ready to go in Scrubtober. Fingers crossed, this will be the inaugural flight of the ship.
https://x.com/htvx_jaxa/status/1958840887850721369

>>16760097
Clear when?

>>16760099
Starbase would be such a cool place to live

>>16760103
what ksp mod is this?

>>16760068
The Viking life detection package had multiple instruments using 60s era electronics and it fit on the landers just fine.

>>16760107
No, this is KSA.

Who the hell wants to live on Mars anyway?

>>16760112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ER5tXLa0k

>>16760117
so sexy

>>16760117
That does look like a proper 21st Century rocket engine. Give them that.

>>16759907
A sky colony on Venus would be even cooler but unfortunately Elon and SpaceX don't give a fuck about that planet. I am losing hope I will ever see someone seriously try in my lifetime

Dad just placed 130k on Intuitive Machines Inc
sigh.. 3rd time and it tips over

>>16760095
Ok now what even was that prompt?? Haha good stuff

>>16760134
Former Astra shareholder?

>>16760138
an idiot, still owns Nokia stock

>>16760140
I remember a coworker, whom i'd never discussed spaceflight with before, telling me all about how the big play was Astra stock. I told him how retarded he was and why and that was still years before they went private again

>>16760121
Leaving all this right in front of a glass window to the world.

>>16760134
IM keeps failing. NASA keeps giving them money. Even if the game is fixed, there's still a play.

>>16759149
>delay
>with QI things always work out
>need more time
holy cope

https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/1959093869406298602
>Voice and video coming to Starlink direct-to-cell!

>get recommended a video on black holes
>decide "what the hell" and click play
>"And black holes don't conform to physics models and thus exist outside of and beyond physics."
Fork in the brain.

>>16759887
you have to be a maniac to believe you can run such a big org by yourself
the successful maniacs are those who bring more than mania to the table - Churchill was a good politician, Napoleon was a genius of military operations etc

Will Manlett finally travel to see a launch now that he is NEET?

Roll out the Insprucker and everything will proceed nominally.

>>16759905
That's because we aren't there yet

>>16760126
How the hell would you land and take off from a Venus balloon colony?

>>16760164
THE EDS is too strong
He is from troon after all

>>16760121
fucking kino

>>16760154
I immediately block anyone who makes content on non-real things such as quantum physics, black holes, wormholes, FTL, dark matter, multiverse etc.

Should popscifags be killed?

>>16760172
he is being preserved in cryosleep until HLS demo lunar landing

>>16760190
the multi-story apartment building next to the office wing of starfactory is starting to rise up

>>16760194
>>16760196
I was expecting wooden breadbox instead of prefabricated concrete. That should dampen the noise a lot better.

>>16760185
>Ryugu and Bennu same origin

I missed a really eventful news day. New moon of Uranus and Hayabusa 2/Osiris Rex linked up?

>>16760185
yup, just so you'd go away

>>16760196
air separation unit site next to launch site

>>16760095
is bearly legal yes?

>>16760192
>on that day, John is woken from cryostorage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKf6j-AFIQ

>>16760172
>nominally
you had one job anon

Starshit confirmed

>>16760067
I just feel he's spending way too much time shitposting about ai-slop waifus and nothing at all lately. Like he needs to have a detox from social media for at least a few days.

>>16760222
thats for sure. its like his autism got snagged by all that shit or something. needs to snap out of it.

>>16760148
two more weeks
>oh we totally still haven't switched it on yet

Haiyang spaceport confirmed the succesful static fire of the CZ-12A upper stage
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/3wHZdUoGEIv1xXktsys45A

Pathfinder for ispace's hyperbola 3 on its TEL ahead of mechanical tests on the Hainan commercial space center LCC-2 pad

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/TP6SZVrDHPjuivJeIPy19A
Succesful igniter test for a 300tf Methalox FFSC engine by young company Beijing Everspace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gAG9tLOv9s

Opening of Shandong Qiankun Aerospace's commercial 1000tf engine and stage test bench near Xintai City, Shandong
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/dHz12y6ZBr3Y6B72BHOoww

The LMLV project for an indian lunar launcher in the 2nd half of the 2030s has once again grown in size.

Side boosters are cringe and unaesthetic.

>>16760239
So you don't like big asses? I thought this was a place of culture?

>>16760231
>>16760233
>>16760234
>>16760235

I am under the impression that China is moving quite fast in the aerospace sector with these types of articles

>>16760245
Globally speaking, if you include mixed public-private commercial endeavours alongside pure private one, it is keeping up with everybody in the US who's not SpaceX.

Now you could linearly extrapolate the trend of the CN commercial space over the past 5 years and it is one that overtakes SpaceX in the next decade, but that would probably be a mistake to do.

"Hey hey. Goodbye."

>>16760248
>who's not SpaceX.
There is still a market for blue origin and ULA after space X at all?

>>16760046
Welcome to the club.

What is big and what is small? Do you even care at all? To leave the earth that rules them all... for one red lonely far-off ball

>>16760282
We will conquer all these rocks.

>>16760282
Why are there no “mini venuses” or “mega marses”? Kind of a power gap there

>>16760248
sometimes that guy wasn't a faggot

>>16760285
>>16760287
>mini venuses
Mars.
>mega marses
Earth/Venus.

Idiot.

>>16760235
What's the point of another engine test stand? Doesn't China have like a dozen of those already?

Also, the link is dead.

>>16760285
Can it be described as rock even if it's water ice?

Why don't men wear suits anymore

>>16760285
>An entire moon to explore
>NASA lands Dragonfly at Selk right next door to Huygens

Hate them so much.

>>16760046
its tomorrow and i feel everything constantly

>>16760254
Energiabros, we are back

>>16760297
Water ice is a mineral and out in the outer solar system water behaves as cryogenic melt that forms ice rock. We’re just used to water here on earth being a liquid most of the time.

>>16760302
>literally the only known planet to have bodies of liquid on its surface other than earth
>design a once in a century mission that will be able to fly over them and send back some of the most breathtaking imagery ever captured in the history of mankind
>nah we're going to explore more craters and desert dunes lol
What is wrong with NASA?

https://x.com/booster_10/status/1959153591135973537
>Bit of shielding added to the outside of Raptor 3 to protect some more sensetive components.
>:Starship Gazer

suburbial penis rocket launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J626rJR0v5g

>>16760314
Off-topic - not spaceflight.

I feel like /sfg/, with its knowledge of orbital mechanics, knows the right answer to the /v/ A vs B debate. Which is it?

>>16760319
the what now?

>>16760322
it's better you don't know

>>16760309
IIRC for some orbital mechanics reason landing at the poles was not an option

>>16760325
Why can't they use aerocapture to land in the northern hemisphere and then just have DF make its way to Lake Kraken over its lifetime?

>>16760319
b because I want infinite free energy to exist

>>16760318
It crosses the Kármán line, therefore, spaceflight.

>>16760329
It's not orbital, so it's not flying through space, therefore, not spaceflight. Get banned idiot.

>>16760328
that's like saying picking up a rock, walking to the top of a hill, and letting it roll back down is free energy

>>16760333
>that's like saying picking up a rock, teleporting to the top of a hill, and letting it roll back down is free energy
ftfy lil bro

>>16760331
wrong

>>16760314
scrubbbbbb

>>16760331
he's right you know. its in space, however briefly.

>>16760233
Hilarious that Ispace is still more than a year off from launching the hyperbola-3 and hasn't even had a static fire test yet, but they're the first company to get a landing drone barge and have all this other adjacent tests and preparation done.

>>16754696
Apparently, 4 island and 4 floating launch pads are planned

https://xcancel.com/raz_liu/status/1959199973553369413

how is a dark matter halo around a galaxy supposed to push the stars inward toward the core and not draw them outward toward the dark matter?

>>16760293
This is actually the first CN stage test stand that's rated for 1000tf, considering that CASC has explicitely said they had to test the LM10 static fire article on the unfinished Wenchang LC-301 pad because they lacked an appropriate test bench, this is something the industry apparently needs.
CASC is working on their own 1000tf stage test bench but it seems late.

>>16760345
It may be used by CASC for the inaugural launch of the CZ-12A desu

>>16760357
The halo is denser near the core of the galaxy, and gets thinner going outward, but it seems to extend past the stars

>>16760357
magnets

>>16760282
>earth shown with clouds
>venus and titan are some false color radar map pretending to show the planets surface under the clouds
why do they always do this shit?

>>16760357
gotta ask the real questions champ
>why did the universe get created?
>when does the next universe get created?
>if the universe is finite to observers on the outside but infinite to observers on the inside, then what is outside of the universe?

India's LMLV is literally bab's first Mun rocket

Wait, is the launch tomorrow?

>>16760403
starship is not spaceflight

>>16760389
Why does it matter?

>>16760407
t-t-th-t-th-t-ther-there's still t-t-ime oooklay?!? trust the plan elon mars 2026

Literally, what the fuck am I supposed to do with myself until Flight 10?

>>16760419
porn

>>16760419
Put yourself into a coma when you think about how long the gap between Flight 11 and 12 will be.

she has come out

>>16760424
>only just come out
sunday launch not happening. see you in sept.

>>16760287
a coincidence of our solar system.

>>16760424
how much money have they poured into infrastructure at this point?

Is this the only sane thread on /sci/? I'm new to this board.

>V3 wont launch until next year
okay but when are we going to actually see a V3 starship? how different will it look from V2?

>>16760437
>how different will it look from V2?
Ask again when V2 is actually properly tested and they can make design changes based off that.

>>16760425
vehicles are female

>>16760425
sup libtard troon

>>16760424
When will Starbase stop being a perpetual construction site?

>>16760443
Never. They never stop moving forward.

>>16760437
>okay but when are we going to actually see a V3 starship?
Tomorrow you will know. Elon Musk will give a technical live update that will 100% happen tomorrow because Elon Musk said so.

>>16758299
Elon always says the opposite of the truth

>>16760316
>extra parts
lame

>>16760449
best part yes part

>>16760389
It's called we take a little artistic liberties here and there

>>16760181
I sometimes get recommended videos from PBS's science and education channel and they're always talking about time travel and other bullshit. Science has just been utterly taken over by scammers peddling fictions to the masses. I love science fiction, but this is intellectual high treason.

>>16760458
they should be shown all at the same exposure so the ones far away are dark