Thread 16758783

Show me zero, pi, or a complex number in real life. Is it time to bring math back in line with the real world? We have already hit a brick wall working with these flawed concepts, it’s time to go back to basics.

>>16758783 (OP)
Yeah, yeah

>>16758783 (OP)
>Show me zero
Just don't hold anything and you are holding 0 things.

>pi
Take a string, make it taught, keep one end stationary, an move the other end in a half circle C shape.

>complex
Take a half moon string that looks like the shape you made in the previous exercise, look at it from the perspective of it as a C, then rotate it 90 degrees along the length until it looks like a straight line | from your perspective.

>>16758783 (OP)
>zero
the center of this rotating thing
>pi
[eqn] 360 \text{ deg} = 2\pi \text{ rad} [/eqn]
>complex numbers
When you multiply two complex numbers you'll rotate the first complex number.
This makes 2D rotation possible on the SNES using fixed-point arithmetic which doesn't support floating point numbers

Math used to be written in language and described rather than held in equations, i believe this has had a negative impact on further advancing mathematics. Equations have there use especially in computing but im sure it limits our thinking, it was partially switched to modern math to solve problems in a single simple way, but perhaps this is an error?

>>16758783 (OP)
but anon, mathematics is unreasonably good at modeling reality...

>>16758906
What aspect of reality does hodge theory model

>>16758783 (OP)
Well said Brother!
We of the ONE TRUE FINITE FAITH stand by your side. Our noble quest is to retake the HOLY LAND of MATHEMATICS back from those GOD CURSED INFINITY LOVING SODOMITES!

>>16758987
number theory, apparently
more generally, it depends on your manifold.

>>16758783 (OP)
>Is science doomed by mathematics being disconnected from reality?
No, but mathematics is doomed because the other fields that need it are too stupid and impatient enough to understand its importance.
If we spend half as much on math as we do on (((applied science))), then we might make some actual progress in (((applied science)))

>>16759007
If 0 is infinite, every "finite" number is also infinite since every finite number, x is actually ...000x.000...

>>16759013
Sure, because doing math requires so many more resources than assembling giant space telescopes.

>>16759010
So, nothing?

>>16759013
You spend all that money advancing further fairy tales that have no basis in reality. Mental masturbation. You remind me of the Geocentrism fuckwits.

>>16759022
If by nothing, you mean the zeros of multivariate polynomials in algebra based geometric manifold problems, sure.

>>16758789
This sort of crazy shit is put out by a cult who call themselves the one true finite faith. Don't make the mistake of just writing them off as crackpots, these assholes are fanatics, are well armed, and are dangerous.

>>16759031
I'm glad we've struck an accord. I accept your concession.

>>16758783 (OP)
Nah, it ain't doomed. Relevant parts of mathematics are those that have some sort of empirical connection to world around us. You on the other hand might be doomed due to your disconnection with reality

>>16758896
>which doesn't support floating point numbers
skill issue

>>16759238
Silence HERETIC!
We of ONE TRUE FINITE FAITH are fair and merciful. We will pray for your soul once you have burned at the stake.
Amen.

>>16758783 (OP)
MMP is a useful tool that aids those captured by the not real 'real number' delusion and can help baby step them out of the deception that they can grasp infinity through the limit and hold zero number of things

It models the concept on two properties, length and precision.

length is how many digits it has
precision is how well those digits reflect the magnitude

We can then classify all magnitude into 3 categories, the mystical, metaphysical and the physical

mystical numbers have an inverse relationship with magnitude and precision

0 - no length has endless precision
inf - no precision at endless length

metaphyscial numbers have a direct correlation with magnitude and precision

1.333, sqrt(2), pi as you increase their length their precision increases

physical numbers display perfect precision at finite length

4, 1.5

advanced users can note the difference between 1/3 and sqrt(2) and can "Physcialize a number by changing its base" 0.4_12

It may seem elementary but to those captured by the deception of the real number system (not real, nor royal) it its a key in their mental prison.

>>16759018
can be assisted with MMP

>>16758783 (OP)
you head this on youtube, and critical thinker that you are you will repeat this bullshit for months or years

>>16759468
How fitting that you, who is a stupid uneducated cunt, would reach such a conclusion.

>>16759794
concession accepted

>>16759823
Explain how mathematics is not a language like any other? Relying on Einsteins insanity as our foundation is akin to Bantus clicking with their tongues and acting surprised when we can command the language of the Bard.

>>16758789
Every time I see this image, it makes me smile. Thank you for making my day better :^)

>>16758896
Thanks for your wordcel abstract definitions. Can you now reply to OP and show examples of these in the real world and not in your schizo mind palace?

>>16759839
Buffon's needle problem, you buffoon with needle arms.

>>16759844
>probability
In other words not real, just an approximation. Yawn. I’m getting bored with you.

>>16759025
A lot of modern math was developed for the purpose of describing the world. For example, functional analysis that was developed for the purpose of doing QM. You're only ignorant on the math as well as the applications.

>>16759851
Yes, it is an approximation. That is precisely the definition of a Cauchy sequence. Also the theory of QM, which is well tested, is purely probabilistic. It doesn't get any more "real" than that. We've reached a point where your view of "perfect" numbers is a lot more outlandish.

>>16758783 (OP)
Zero is simply when there is zero of something. When there isn't any amount of something its zero.

>>16759437
You are fooling no one. Your are a dangerous cult hellbent on seizing power over mathematics for no reason other than to force servitude to your ridiculous ideas.

I am not a supporter of those one true finite faith cranks or anything but they do have a point. Mathematics should face the same scientific scrutiny as science, with real tangible physical evidence.
In science if you want to make a claim then you must have the evidence to back it up.

>>16759830
>mathematics is not a language like any other?
Communicate your next thoughts in your next response using only formal mathematical language and no allusions to any of these other languages you claim math emulates. This mean shit like S(e^x) aren't accepted since it alludes to the English word "sex"

>>16759855
>Functional analysis (over 100 years old)
>Predates the NSF and other scientific fundings by over 50 years

>>16760013
0 - 3

>>16760019
Yeah I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'll accept your concession. Expert mode: no more responses in this thread in any language other than math. It's a language just like any other. Should be easy. Good luck, faggot.

>>16760011
mathematics is a formal science, not a natural science, the difference being that maths does not rely on empirical evidence, you nigger

>>16760022
It should, you dumb Slav.
Actually your cunty attitude makes me want to join the finite faith, at least they stand up for reality.

>>16760011
>he never did proofs in math class

Is literature doomed by religion being disconnected from reality?

Show me God, angels, or the devil in real life. Is it time to bring literature back in line with the real world? We have already hit a brick wall with these flawed concepts, it's time to go back to basics.

>>16760098
Brother, we of the ONE TRUE FINITE FAITH would welcome you into our steadily growing ranks. The time nears when we shall overthrow the HERETICS and bring God's blessing back upon the mathematical world.
Our cause is sacred.
Our swords are sharp.
Our stakes are ready.
We have GOD on our side.
WE MARCH!
BY THE WILL OF GOD ALMIGHTY WE MARCH!

>>16758783 (OP)
>Show me pi apples
Ok show me apple pi's
Mmm, yummy

>>16760011
If anything, math has more "evidence to back it up" than the natural sciences have, since it's based purely on deductive logic.

>>16760183
>GOD ALMIGHTY
ughmm BROTHA you did an infinity oopsie here. Please repent.

>>16760266
No. Almighty has more than one meaning. It can mean "extreme" or "the best". Obviously the Brotha meant it to mean "God the most powerful."
However he was incautious in his choice of words. I hope he gets a good whipping once the Holy Mathematical Inquisition are done questioning him.

>>16758783 (OP)
>show me zero in real life
The net spatial displacement of a pendulum after exactly one oscillation is equal to zero.
>show me pi in real life
The quotient of half the circumference of a circle and the corresponding diameter is equal to pi.
>show me a complex number in real life
Schrodinger wavefunctions are literal physical phenomena and not just mathematical abstractions.
Source: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/summary/

>>16759830
Hmmm yes... very wise, anon. Consider reading the works of Pythagoras, Democritus, Euclid, Zeno, Archimedes, al-Khwarizmi, Leibniz, Euler, Gauss, Hamilton, Lorentz, Schrodinger, Dirac, and Feynman, in that order.

>>16760341
He is right though, I need to repent my terrible sin, for I have allowed mathematical ambiguity to taint the name of our most definitely finite GOD whose power, although immense, is still bounded by the capacity of our finite Universe.
I demand to be first put through through the rack so my confession can be extracted, with red hot coals applied to my most private parts, and then thrashed with 39 lashes of the birch.

>>16760430
>The net spatial displacement of a pendulum after exactly one oscillation is equal to zero.
an ideal pendulum with ideal conditions. irl the net spatial displacement is ALMOST zero
>The quotient of half the circumference of a circle and the corresponding diameter is equal to pi.
There are no circles irl, just shapes that are ALMOST circles
>Schrodinger wavefunctions are literal physical phenomena and not just mathematical abstractions.
Wavefunctions don't exist irl, they're mathematical abstractions lol.

>>16760452
Well said. We have to call these smug retards out.
Would you care to join THE ONE TRUE FINITE FAITH?

>>16760496
Why aren't you in the Wildberger thread?

>>16760430
>Schrodinger wavefunctions are literal physical phenomena
Is Schroedinger's wavefunction in the room with us right now?

>>16760503
GOD calls me to wherever I am needed.

>>16760496
I'm not a finitist though, everything I said is from the perspective of atomic physics. Points one and two stem directly from the uncertainty principle when taking measurements. And the last point, the wavefunctions 'live' in configuration space, which has nothing to do with where you and I live lol. You don't even have to invoke finitism to counter these weird ideas.

>>16758783 (OP)
look at op fucking poojeet low caste sub human retard wants pure math examples irl lmaooooooooo thats called applied math dumbass

>>16760526
Fair enough Brother.
I wish you well in your righteous fight against the enemies of reality.
Furthermore I will pray to GOD for a special dispensation so your soul is saved from the discrete flames of finite Hell.
Amen.

>100 IQ: Mathematical Platonists
<=100 IQ: everyone else

>>16759007
>>16759437
>>16760183
>>16760496
>>16760512
Go back to >>>/x/

>>16760863
The spawn of Satan seeks to repress the TRUTH of the ONE TRUE FINITE FAITH!
Brother's and Sisters! Know thine enemies! For these DEMONS know only lies and falsehoods, while our FAITH is one of PURITY blessed by GOD!

>>16760508
>Is Schroedinger's wavefunction in the room with us right now?
its the room as well as us

>>16758783 (OP)
Absolutely. Its got us chasing ghosts. One (retarded) view has mathematics as having a separate existence from physical reality. That is no different than inventing fairy tales. It doesn't matter how cleverly the fairy tales are constructed, they are still just fairy tales.
Mathematics should be based on physical reality. Instead we have all these clever idiots slapping band aid fixes everywhere because their fantasy constructs do not match reality.
Circles do not exist in reality. Neither do lines or points. Yet modern mathematics treat these fairytale constructs as if they do. Its ludicrous and will keep us in the dark ages.

>>16760948
Uhh… the wave function lives in 3n configuration space. If the universe had just two particles, the wavefunction would be described by 6 dimensional configuration space. it’s not just that it’s not real, it yields a complex quantity.

>>16758783 (OP)
abstract numbers don't exist in real life. on the other hand, the quantities which they approximate do. mathematics is just a tool to model reality and much misunderstanding comes from teachers not making that distinction