Thread 16761203

Why is this not possible? They could have created them allready and we should have a moonbase mining fucking uranium and thorium or even having an giant electricity factory creating all our electricity.

The only problem I see here is the amounts of fuel to send such a load to the moon but other than that. Why do we depend on Muskie and his moronic idea's?

>>16761203 (OP)
If there's something that you think is possible, but which isn't being done, it's because it has a bad ROI. Either make spaceflight cheaper or bring the gold asteroids closer.

>>16761203 (OP)
A nuclear explosion on the Moon wouldn't push it out of the solar system.

>>16761237
no, there is fucking thorium on the Moon its worth billions upon billions. more than ten times our oil

>>16761350
there are insane amounts oh thorium-3 on the moons surface two

>>16761351
helium-3 is a nuclear fuel without any byproducts or waste so that would be the cleanest and most effective energy source possible

Mining helium-3 on the Moon has been talked about forever—now a company will try

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/03/mining-helium-3-on-the-moon-has-been-talked-about-forever-now-a-company-will-try/

>>16761355
the moon is fucking insane. it would be a sollution to all our problems however we should decline in human beings as well. 2150 and the worle population should be 1bln maybe even less. anticonception for 3rd world countries and regimes like china in the previous century. no more than 1 child per family. its fucking for themselfs as well. more childeren = more food and poverty problems

>>16761364
There should only ever be more people. More people means more labor to get things done. It's really that simple

>>16761203 (OP)
cheaper(easier) to make those things here on the planet

>>16761203 (OP)
It is possible. The issue with space is that is isn't immediately profitable. You need a robust space infrastructure to make money and you need money to build a robust space infrastructure. That's why nothing gets done.

>>16761203 (OP)
If we had better propulsion systems that would be the ideal vehicle to go to the moon, from a space station.

>>16761203 (OP)
Moon mining is retarded. You'd have to deliver enough fuel to the moon to get all that mass off the moon. And if you want to deliver it to earth it even more retarded. There is no future where this is economically viable in any way

>>16761350
Thorium is abundant on earth too actually and I'm pretty sure it's cheaper to get.

>>16761232
>because it has a bad ROI
Or because of stagnation, or bad leaders, of risk averse leaders or trusts that limit competition.
The first to start minin 16 Psyche will utterly tank the precious metal market.

>>16761350
How would it being worth billions push the Moon out of the solar system?

>>16761232
imagine saying the survival of our species has bad ROI sincerely? like you realize just because your animal brain says you went your whole species life without being wiped out by big rock makes it impossible for it to happen ANY FUCKING MOMENT yknown aslong we dont have enough people in space to guarantee our survival in case of rock being fast enough to wipe us out were literally a dead species not a dying one

>>16762694
nah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxCllBtojds

>>16762894
>survival of our species
Nobody actually unironically cares about it. All species will go extinct eventually. And even should the humanity die out, why is this such a big fucking deal? People just want to live out their own life comfortably, maybe really altruistic ones also want their children to have a good life too. But they don't think about imaginary descendants 10000 years from now or random humans living on another continent.

>>16761355
How long has mining the Moon for Helium-3 been talked about?
Will a company ever try?

>>16761203 (OP)
Just build a laser from the excited plasma of the sun and shoot it at the earth.

>>16762797
No, it's definitely because it isn't profitable.

>>16762894
The survival of our species depends on improving the conditions of our home planet, not flushing it down the toilet and trying to survive on the fucking moon, you stupid fucking child. That said, space exploration is still cool and should be conducted intelligently. That doesn't mean rushing to start mining asteroids or set up colonies.

i hope all life ends so that reincarnation becomes impossible (tho you can reincarnate into the past, fuck)

>>16764346
why? explain

>>16764542
Its just possible you reincarnate into the past, or just repeat your life again.

>>16761203 (OP)
only probably is the extreme mindboggling cost of start-up to get any money back from your investment.
once starship makes it we'll be sorted.

>>16762694
>Moon mining is retarded.
WRONG
the deltaV to get a ton of material from the lunar surface to Low Earth Orbit is far less than getting it from the surface of Earth to orbit. i dont remember off the top of my head but its like x6 times or so. Meaning if you build a 1000 ton space station around the Earth, it would be x6 easier (energetically, monetarily) to get the material from the lunar surface.
We are centuries off from doing this at scale imo, but in the long run, the deltaV doesnt change.

>>16765445
And how are you going to fuel it, by digging for oil at the moon?

>>16767251
It should be possible to do a laser highway to the moon.
A ferry ship with a light sail gets pushed from the earth from a ground laser and a similar setup from the moon to push things towards the earth.

>>16767270
Even if that was realistically possible, which I doubt, it wouldn't give you enough thrust for liftoff

>>16761232
I think that might be our only hope. That one day scientists discover an asteroid that will pass close to earth, and between us and the moon and its filled with so much or a natural resource that it would make whoever got it rich. It would be tempting because its right there, maybe someone would capture it and mine it out there.
hopefully that would kick things off. if that pays off and they do it again and again. People start to get more used to being out there

>>16763071
And how are we suppose to catch what we shoot at the earth?

>>16767566
shoot it at a very elliptical orbit that grazes the top of the atmosphere, and it will slow down over time

>>16767777
You want to shoot dinosaur-killing levels of mass from the moon at the earth in a straight line, and aim to barely miss the ground?

>>16761203 (OP)
You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive you retarded golem. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway.

>>16761203 (OP)

It is possible, it would just be insanely (but not impossibly) expensive. The biggest problem is world governments have pretty much stopped attempting to utilize space save for surveillance and research (and occasionally, dabbling with weapons).

It basically boils down to, "If we have free or nearly free energy and can colonize space, what need will the people have for us?"

People in government have theorized on humans colonizing and utilizing space just as much as sci-fi authors have and they quickly came to the conclusion that the minute we get to space and can set up permanent colonies, they will rebel and Earth will be forced to either bring them to heel or recognize new space nations. Not to mention the only real benefit for the planet would be for the plebs.

This why international and global orgs have been obsessed with reducing the population of humans instead of providing for the inevitable growth of humanity as a whole. They're more concerned with ruling over us than ruling well. Also, a bunch of them are Neo-Marxists who realize that space colonization would mean that humanity would forever be free from their grasp, as they can just move away from a globohomo neo-Marxist one world government.

Basically it boils down to "lol, no."

>>16767997
>dinosaur-killing levels of mass
it's not. Chicxulub impactor was estimated to be 10-15km wide. Not to mention that is was moving at interplanetary speeds

>>16767566
Give the cargo a lifting body shape so that it bounce repeatedly off the top of the atmosphere until the speed is slow enough for descent.

If it wasn't for the space shuttle and ISS fucking everything up we could've had an interplanetary transfer vehicle like this 40 years ago. It would've cost about as much as the ISS and been a lot more practical, being fucking mobile and all. A ship like this is what Von Braun has envisioned for the first manned mission to Mars.

>>16768092
Yes killing the jews is necessary for going to space we've known this since 1933
They really are a cancerous bunch of rats

>>16761203 (OP)
>Why do we depend on Muskie and his moronic idea's?
Because he is not caught in stagnation and other people have even more stupid ideas that mostly relate to doing studies of something than doing the actual work.

>>16771153
Musk at least understands that you cant go into space without a tremendous amount of failures. Governments and companies like playing safe, so they dont really want to push the envelope.

>>16762797
>will utterly tank the precious metal market
Well, yeah. That's exactly his point.

How will it make the investments back if developing it just instantly tanks the prices?

>>16773408
>you cant go into space without a tremendous amount of failures
A leader will try new things and admit any errors and retreat if it turns out to be wrong. Administrators dare not even to get wet feet. So yes, people seem to forget this. That might be the reason for the stagnation we see too much of.

>>16773414
>How will it make the investments back if developing it just instantly tanks the prices?
By sheer volume. Once, aluminium was more expensive than gold. Now there is an enormous trade in that metal, more than in gold. So once Elon starts landing metals by the megaton, he will earn a lot, while China will see its raw material power collapse.

>>16762694
Don't tell them about the iron nickle core at the center of the Earth.
>Bro! We just tunnel down and we are rich!
On second thoughts, do tell them. In a world full of retardation adding some more will not matter.

>>16767251
NTA but magnetically propelled loads have been a thing for a long time. It is not a railgun.

how are you getting all that alectricity back to earth anon is it possible to get all that alectricity back to earth anon youd need a lot of copper for electricity cables that gauge anon and they would have to be really thick cables to carry all that power anon

>>16761364
1 child per family doesnt make sense the population wouldnt stabilize it could only decrease + if you notice anglo white people have occupation in at least 5 continents which puts the caucasian population at over 1 billion too you dont need to feel jealous of brown people like that
>>16762694
if you look at saturn what appears to be happening is they are doing large scale cross system mining projects and sending them back here into planetary orbit for later

>>16761203 (OP)
usecase for biosacks of shit in outer space creating political and economic issues with their frail minds and bodies?

>>16764644
You've lived this life and infinite amount of times, and you will live it infinitely more. Welcome to hell.

>>16770837
Tranny game