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Anonymous No.16762430 >>16762529 >>16762671 >>16762718 >>16762825 >>16764171 >>16764240 >>16767176 >>16769247 >>16770545 >>16776027 >>16776679
is IQ a meme?
Anonymous No.16762433 >>16762577 >>16762587 >>16764121
Are people with 160 iq even functional in society?
Anonymous No.16762505 >>16767163
Is the brain being different a meme?
Anonymous No.16762529 >>16762533 >>16762540 >>16776027
>>16762430 (OP)
IQ tests are legit for evaluating specific cognitive traits, and have practical uses, but they’re not an infallible gauge of overall smarts or potential.
Anonymous No.16762533
>>16762529
True, it remains as the only hard measure of intelligence that humans have.
>pic misinterprets the otter
Anonymous No.16762540 >>16762548
>>16762529
Nothing is infallible and "overall smarts" is vague but IQ does correlate highly with successful life outcomes, so it is a good gauge of potential.
The people most obsessed with IQ are midwits who rage against it because they discovered they weren't geniuses like they grew up to believe.
Anonymous No.16762548
>>16762540
Most people are obsessed with competing and one upping each other, intelligence is no exception, IQ is just one part of that argument.
Anonymous No.16762577 >>16762758
>>16762433
Society is a meme.
Anonymous No.16762587
>>16762433
Like everything, it varies. There are surely several in any math department at a decent university, and even the ones who are considered weird and struggle with smalltalk and everyday social norms still fit in pretty fine, as long as you restrict the topic of conversation to math.
Anonymous No.16762671 >>16762858 >>16767230 >>16769225 >>16776042
>>16762430 (OP)
Yes, IQ tests are a meme. Think about what it claims to be. A multiple choice test that presumably measures innate traits.

Are we aware of any other written test that can do that and where it's impossible to skew the results by training motivation and incentives? We dont, right? So it's actually quite an extraordinary claim, what IQ proponents claim their test is capable of.

Now, can you think of a way to test how susceptible IQ tests are to training effects, motivation, knowledge about test design, incentives, etc? You can, right? It's not hard at all. All we have to do is to design empirical trials where we provide test subjects with knowledge about how the test works, we let them practice, we give them incentives, and then we observe how the test results were affected.

Are you aware of any IQ proponents that have performed such studies? No, you're not, are you. What do they do instead? They refer to various types of statistical studies and mathematical statistical methods, right? But as any masters student can tell you, statistics, especially with literally millions of uncontrolled variables, yield infinitely less reliable results than controlled experiments. So why would IQ proponents elect to do the former, when the latter is not challenging at all? You'd have to be IQ retard to not figure out the answer to that one...
Anonymous No.16762718 >>16764540
>>16762430 (OP)
probably works fine up to 130 stanford scale. above that the measured metric should be accomplishment.
Anonymous No.16762755 >>16762756 >>16762762
Noticed how it's always the midwits who complain about IQ?
Which is absurd since the measurment confirms them to be within the norm.
Anonymous No.16762756 >>16762762
>>16762755
They think they're smart, get exposed as high average, and then seethe. Almost like the test was right all along.
Anonymous No.16762758 >>16762824
>>16762577
Ok, but would they be able to feed themselves if they didn’t live in a society?
Anonymous No.16762762 >>16762782
>>16762755
>>16762756
>you must believe in our scam or we'll call you "a midwit"

Very persuasive
Anonymous No.16762782 >>16762785
>>16762762
>his entire worldview is based on beliefs
>a man thinking like a woman
grim
Anonymous No.16762785 >>16762823
>>16762782
>I literally have no arguments why my sham is legit science, so it's time to bring out the epic bantz

you've lost and losing is a very womanly trait
Anonymous No.16762803
Meme is an idea that acts like a virus.
Anonymous No.16762823 >>16762858
>>16762785
>strawman fallacy
>unscientific "beliefs" argument
>presents biometric as a scam out of nowhere
>thinks midwit is an undeserved insult
Don't "argument" me, sonny, you're out of your league.
Anonymous No.16762824 >>16762842
>>16762758
What is the challenge?
Anonymous No.16762825
>>16762430 (OP)
No but this pic is
Anonymous No.16762842 >>16762855
>>16762824
There must be some challenge for them or they would all be living outside of the meme of society.
Anonymous No.16762855
>>16762842
Some do, and many participates the bare minimum.
Anonymous No.16762858
>>16762823
Answer this, faggot >>16762671
Anonymous No.16764121 >>16764530
>>16762433
if you think 160 FSIQ exists then you are one stupid mother fucker
Anonymous No.16764171 >>16764244
>>16762430 (OP)
I have sub-80 IQ in memory/math speed scores
a bit over 120 average
I passed calc 1 and 2 with Cs. Most difficult classes of my life. Can't believe I wanted to study STEM. I should have paid closer attention to what my IQ test results meant. But then again I was never very good at math.

I ended up having an easy time in a degree field that made use of vocabulary/the other parts of the test and incorporated my interest in science into ethics research.

I think it is useful for deciding what to put resources into. Don't go to college if you're on the left and don't go into trades if you're on the right. It isn't really a matter of whether you can do it, it's about whether you'll fit in. Low skill tradies loathe smart people, "smart" people ignore you if you aren't quick witted. You'll do best in a career that matches your test scores.
Anonymous No.16764236 >>16764299 >>16764444 >>16764543 >>16770884 >>16776640
>can you train for puzzles?
Yes
>can you train for math problems?
Yes
>can you train for word problems?
Yes
>can you memorize more words so you can make synonym associations better?
Yes
>can you train to do this all within a certain timeframe
Yes

It's a meme. It's always been a meme.
Anonymous No.16764240
>>16762430 (OP)
I don't let ir define me or anyone. Also who the fuck made that bell curve in your Pic?
Anonymous No.16764244 >>16764292
>>16764171
>You'll do best in a career that matches your test scores.
What if it pays peanuts or your workplace refuses to properly financially compensate you for your work despite your credentials and work experiance.
Anonymous No.16764292
>>16764244
>What if it pays peanuts or your workplace refuses to properly financially compensate you for your work despite your credentials and work experiance.
what if the sky is blue
Anonymous No.16764299 >>16764373
>>16764236
>If I intentionally violate the test assumptions, the test doesn't give valid results!
Bet you thought you were really smart coming up with that one.
Anonymous No.16764373 >>16764444 >>16764462 >>16767359 >>16777361
>>16764299
Formally, let's call a piece of knowledge k, the specific knowledge about how an IQ test is constructed k' and the set of all pieces of knowledge S.

IQ proponents admit that knowing k' would ruin the validity of the test.

Have they shown or even tried to show there can exist no other k in S that would also ruin the validity of the test. Let's define S' as the subset of S made up of all pieces of knowledge that would ruin the validity of the test. Have IQ testing organisations and IQ proponents said anything or done any research on how large S' is?

The answer is no, and no. It's junk science to be consumed by people who want to believe they're special.
Anonymous No.16764444 >>16764450 >>16770855
>>16764236
>>16764373
Welp, you got me. Guess we’ll just have to assume we’re all as thick as niggers.
Anonymous No.16764450
>>16764444
Psychometricians are basically thick as niggers, correct. Nice get, though
Anonymous No.16764462 >>16764509
>>16764373
>t. midwit
Anonymous No.16764509
>>16764462
kek i just fucked your boyfriends wife with an S' set, pretty good for a midwit. I know you enjoyed watching, too
Anonymous No.16764530 >>16776592
>>16764121
Why would someone create this chart to display a lie?
Anonymous No.16764540
>>16762718
>above that the measured metric should be accomplishment.
You can be smart enough to realize accomplishment is overrated.
Anonymous No.16764543 >>16767254 >>16776046
>>16764236
You need to reach a certain IQ threshold to train for an IQ test successfully to begin with. You're delusional if you think an 80 IQ nigger can actually score 160 by studying for it. There's a reason 80 IQ niggers don't become doctors, even though it's technically mostly memorization and doable. The actual realization it is doable takes 3 digits at least.
Anonymous No.16767163
>>16762505
underrated
Anonymous No.16767176 >>16767568
>>16762430 (OP)
Nah man, IQ tests mostly measure things like spatial reasoning, pattern recognition, stuff like logical sequencing. But they leave out tons of shit like memory recall, social awareness, communication, persistence, task completion, and the ability to collaborate or persuade someone. None of that shit shows up on an IQ test even though it's just as necessary in our society.

I worked as a patent writer for years. The engineers I worked with were brilliant guys who’d probably ace an IQ test. But most of them had no idea how to explain their invention to someone who wasn’t already an expert, how to write a clear letter, or how to frame an argument that would convince a government employee to approve their patent and that's the difference between getting protection for their invention or having it shot down.

None of this IQ bullshit works as a full measure of intelligence. They test a narrow set of cognitive skills while ignoring other equally vital ones like knowing how to talk to a stranger, stick with a project, or craft an email that actually gets results. In the real world, those “soft” skills can matter just as much as raw problem solving.

TLDR good fucking luck getting funding for your pet science project when you can't convince someone you matter if all you're good at is passing IQ tests.
Anonymous No.16767230 >>16767359
>>16762671
Edwin e Gordon argues that his tests for same/different rhythm or pitch interval are measures of potential achievement. Colorblindness is roughly the same: if you can't see the number you won't be able to see or be distracted by those color differences, which makes different things possible as an artist.
Anonymous No.16767254 >>16775839 >>16776091
>>16764543
https://youtu.be/U6PoUg7jXsA
Anonymous No.16767359
>>16767230
The obvious difference is that it doesnt matter if you know how a color blindness test is constructed, it still works, because that test -actually- tests innate qualities, so there it doesnt matter what you know or dont know about the test, it still works.

IQ testing organisations and IQ proponents know that their tests dont work like that, they fully admit it. So IQ is provably junk, it's not even up for discussion >>16764373

The reason it's still a topic for debate is that there's a shitload of people in the market for a "you were born special" test
Anonymous No.16767568 >>16771744
>>16767176
>But most of them had no idea how to explain their invention to someone who wasn’t already an expert, how to write a clear letter, or how to frame an argument that would convince a government employee to approve their patent and that's the difference between getting protection for their invention or having it shot down.
Please be patient, they are already at their limit to not insult your mental faculty on self-explanatory concepts, or the ideas that need extra work to seek approval from a lesser mind, the bureaucracy that keep letting lawyer monkey operate the stamp, or having the idea that verbose linguistics are helpful when the receiver refuses to look the word up in anno 2025 that were autisticly picked to precisely describe the form, the function, and its relation to the body.
Anonymous No.16768745
>noooo we're all the same noooo
iq/biology deniers are hilarious
Anonymous No.16768751
>look smartest man in the world
>he literally just studied how to IQ test
>implying wow
Anonymous No.16769225
>>16762671
>to skew the results by training motivation and incentives
You're not suppossed to train for it dipshit.
When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure
Anonymous No.16769247
>>16762430 (OP)
Yes, but it's irrelevant now.
80 IQ have ChatGPT (literally Einstein IQ) in their pocket.
High IQ might have had some advantages in the past, but we can replace those people with LLMs now.
Anonymous No.16769499 >>16770851
Why is it when anyone brings up IQ, the rubes come out of the woodwork to boast their alleged IQ scores?
Anonymous No.16769721 >>16770545 >>16773096
>It is noteworthy, for example, that at a given level of IQ, Chinese have smaller frontal cortexes than Americans (Chee, Zheng, Goh, & Park, 2011), although Chinese brains as a whole may be larger than those of Americans (Rushton, 2010). Even with brain size equated between Chinese and Americans, the frontal cortex is larger in Americans (Chee et al., 2011)

What does the frontal cortex do? What behavioural impacts would you expect from this region being larger or smaller?
Anonymous No.16770545 >>16772326 >>16772575
>>16769721
>chinese posting about IQ
Lol. Picrel.

>>16762430 (OP)

IQ is a show of someone's ability to make non-obvious connections in information pattern, relative to an averaged baseline of population. It means nothing else and applies to nothing else.
IQ is also a measure of a brain's ability to abstract concepts.

A non social and behaviorally negative person benefits not one bit from having "all the IQ". A sub-standard near retard who has high internal discipline and positive social behavior will always outsucceed the low affect infinite IQ.

Ok so you can surmise a pattern of the world's madness and see where this is all going, but you never do ANYTHING but drudge along.
The near-retard doesn't give a shit except for their goals and how to achieve them and becomes a financially successful rapper.

The asocial infinite IQ can't effectively communicate with damn near anyone, because what we call a "human being" and our "social species" trains people to only be aware of current gestalt meta, and communication that requires any thought instead of simple current-meta patterns falls into nonsense for the average, normally social people.
The near retard says exactly what they mean in a simple way any intelligence can understand.
Anonymous No.16770851
>>16769499
EQ means understanding that discussions often include tangential topics.
Anonymous No.16770855
>>16764444
And this here is the true reason why a racist idealist actually argues that IQ tests are not bunk. It's the same reason they were created in the first place.
Anonymous No.16770884
>>16764236
The irony is that people concerned with IQ are low-IQ, and out themselves as retards by bringing it up in conversation.
Anonymous No.16770908 >>16771096 >>16771759
The only thing I want to know is why the usa has BY FAR the highest per capita of dumb motherfuckers of any other developed country? Having spent significant time in most other 1st world countries the contrast is undeniable. Americans aren't just overwhelmingly stupid either, they are also the most arrogant shitheads on the planet as well.
Anonymous No.16771096
>>16770908
what i want to know is why people not from america have so much less money and fewer nobel prizes than we do. are you shitheads even trying? i mean look at china. they supposedly have higher iqs and have a billion plus people but they are a developing country with 13 nobels.
Anonymous No.16771744 >>16776587
>>16767568
Uh huh. Cute. I've been reading at a 12th grade level for 20 years.

As for your hypothetical, not being able to communicate their ideas to an average person is exactly the problem. Look up patent law if you wish, but it's a requirement of receiving your patent to be able to explain your invention to an average person. That's part of the purpose of a patent. That your ideas are protected for a period of time in exchange for explaining how it works so that others may improve on your ideas. The alternative being that you hide your invention in a corner in hopes that nobody figures it out and steals it from you.
Anonymous No.16771759
>>16770908
>>16771758
Oh wait you said DEVELOPED (I was tard wrangling my dog when I read your post), that makes sense. I still think the UK is worse.
Anonymous No.16772326
>>16770545
No, I'm asking what effects the size of what they they called the frontal cortex is going to have on behaviour?
Anonymous No.16772575
>>16770545
>IQ is a show of someone's ability to make non-obvious connections in information pattern, relative to an averaged baseline of population.
I think that is overstating it. It certainly tests current ability to solve Raven's Matrices.

But I like the optimism. Let's let people describe what they think is intelligent, then we keep a couple of things we randomly found works well with factor analysis and we'll call that "intelligence" and claim we have proved it's genetic
Anonymous No.16773096
>>16769721

Literally "Zheng, et. al."

TRY HARDER!!!
Anonymous No.16775013
Why do people who hate the idea of iq always accuse those who believe in iq to be “braggers” of their own intelligence?
archaic hominin No.16775839
>>16767254
If anybody else in the thread couldn't hold their vomit when looking at this link without even a few words summarizing those 20 minutes of retarded comedy central storyteller, here is what he is talking about:
top memory chads have been training to use a different part of the brain during the process of memorization. Memory training routines originate in Ancient Greece. The main, fundamental notion on which many/most memorization techniques are based on is baker paradox.
Look into it, it makes perfect intuitive sense before that stupid journo gets to the point.
You need to employ spatial or spastic intelligence or something, either way if you are not too retarded it should work wonders
Anonymous No.16776027 >>16776051 >>16776091 >>16777357
>>16762430 (OP)
>>16762529
>IQ tests are legit for evaluating specific cognitive traits, and have practical uses, but they’re not an infallible gauge of overall smarts or potential.
This.
IQ testing is complex.
It measures IQ, but not just IQ, because there are tons of factors that influence test results, especially motivation.
This is particularly evident when it comes to motivation. There's often small cash rewards to get more people into the door and to take the IQ test, but they found it influenced the results greatly.
Having a 20$ or 50$ cash reward to take the test boosted the results significantly.

Another issue is trying to make IQ tests that work well for everyone everywhere.
Cultural differences can become evident, as different countries can have vastly different education systems.
Or to give an extreme example is that it's very hard to accurately measure the IQ of someone who is illiterate, since all tests require reading and writing.
But you could have a musical genius who's also illiterate.

Then there's the whole categorization of differernt IQ types. Visual-spatial, verbal, logic/mathematic, musical, proprioception and so on. The average of which is basically your IQ.

If you want more specifics, I recommend this in-depth video about IQ testing and its limits by Veritasium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkKPsLxgpuY
Anonymous No.16776042
>>16762671
Brown hands.
Anonymous No.16776046
>>16764543
> an 80 IQ nigger
Why are you like this?
Anonymous No.16776051 >>16776128
>>16776027
There are deeper problems than that. IQ tests are built upon factor analysis, a method that has very few actual discoveries, and the closest you come is something like the classification of parkinsonisms. It requires a lot from the source data (that we're measuring fairly non-complex underlying mechanisms and not some thing with three emergence layers). At best it helps structure the data and reveal patterns. But they are just that, patterns in the data points. They cant help with more than suggesting one possible direction where we can investigate further. If we start believing that the factors are real things, reifying them, then we're just deluding ourselves.
archaic hominin No.16776091 >>16776138
>>16776027
>Having a 20$ or 50$ cash reward to take the test boosted the results significantly.
Right, but only for retards. Also people on meth are more involved and focused, there is a study that shows modafinil boosts midwits the most while high IQ don't get much beyond alertness and focus.
So then before students take an IQ test they should be told that their future life prospects might end up being better if their score is higher, but not necessarily, there are outliers across all scores. So that retards who cant project into the future and assume things about such a seemingly unimportant fact wont perform well
>Cultural differences
Too easily can be discarded as a politically driven rhetoric. Just say that English language is extremely simple, even a tard can speak it, and Chinese language uses literal baker paradox, also very simple. And even then we can't be sure than more difficult languages like French or Russian don't offset it's difficulty in test design.
Then outliers are probably closer to if not mastering then efficiently enough using their language so that those differences fade, however it still likely influences population averages.
>>16767254
Another argument towards why relatively high IQ lit fags learn to read people as open books somehow just by reading novels that focus literally on some one random specific dude' life, while psychologists are just coping retards.
Anonymous No.16776128 >>16776601
>>16776051
You made some fair points, IQ testing doesn't capture the entirety of human intelligence, as it is extremely complex.
But IQ testing still has valid uses and methodology. Factor analysis is used to identify a general factor of intelligence, called "g", which shows that people who perform well on certain cognitive tasks will also perform well on other ones.
There are studies that show that it's not just meaningless patterns, since people who perform well or badly on one IQ test will also perform well or badly on other IQ tests, so there is some level of realibility when the factor analysis is done correctly.

There's also a lot of utility for IQ in the sense that IQ scores correlate strongly with outcomes like academic performance, job success, and even health outcomes, with correlations ranging from 0.5 to 0.8, so very strong correlations.
So studies around IQ testing do show that g is a reliable statistical construct, even if it does not encapsulates all aspects of intelligence perfectly.
Anonymous No.16776138 >>16776161
>>16776091
>Right, but only for retards.
Wrong. It works on everyone, smart or dumb.
Obviously motivation will affect different people differently, but it's well understood that offering rewards, especially monetary rewards for completing an IQ test increases people's motivation which in turn raises the IQ scores artificially.

>Also people on meth are more involved and focused, there is a study that shows modafinil boosts midwits the most while high IQ don't get much beyond alertness and focus.
Interesting. I've done a bit of online research and it seems you're correct, but with some caveats.
IMO the best explanation for why Modafinil doesn't impact high IQ as much as others is probably due to the Ceiling Effect, meaning most of the high IQ people have reach their ceiling, their max IQ imposed by their genetics.

>cultural / linguistic
It's more than just linguistic differences.
It's legitimately a difference in how cultures prioritize different subjects, or rather teach different subjects. Cultural practices do shape cognitive skills, which is the issue here.
The perfect example for this is how asian countries, especially China teaches math completely differently than in the West, using an abacus. The abacus, in particular, enhances spatial and numerical processing, which can give Chinese students an edge on certain IQ subtests.
It's also the basis for the stereotype that "asians are good at math".

But the broader issue is trying to make IQ Test "culture-free". Taking Western culture out of Western-made IQ test is pretty difficult.
It's almost impossible to make an IQ test that works for everyone everywhere, because there isn't equal access to education, to ressources like a library for example, access to the internet, access to good nutrition and so on.

Once again I'll use the example of the illiterate person who is still decently intelligent, but can't perform well on a written test because they can't read or write.
Socrates was illiterate, for example.
archaic hominin No.16776161 >>16776197
>>16776138
>Wrong. It works on everyone, smart or dumb.
It mostly affects those who don't quite understand hypotheticals or feel like solving an abstract puzzle, engaging in any competitive or non-competitive mental masturbation when you just sit still can be a lot of fun on it's own.
Even in the video from veritasium you link in, those scientists claim something among the same lines when it comes to financial incentive, it helps retards.
>But you could have a musical genius who's also illiterate.
How statistically significant is that? Music is some of the hardest things to produce for humans, apparently it's evolutionary. We put so much more processing power in what we see rather than what we hear, so that you can have plenty of great artists, but 'great' composers are often meh, it's just too hard. Relatively high IQ is almost mandatory to make music work consistently in unique ways, and not just one topic you obsess with for the whole life.
>Socrates was illiterate, for example.
Not real, he is too good, he had to develop it somehow through some sort of education, even just indirect exposure.
Anonymous No.16776197 >>16776217
>>16776161
>Even in the video from veritasium you link in, those scientists claim something among the same lines when it comes to financial incentive, it helps retards.
Which part of the video exactly?
I don't recall this particular point being made, then again, I could be wrong, so if you can tell which part of the video, I would greatly appreciate.
To me it seemed to affect people accross he board, rather than specific groups.

>How statistically significant is that? Music is some of the hardest things to produce for humans, apparently it's evolutionary.
It's not that statistically significant.
There were a few musicians that were completely (text) illiterate, but there are many examples of musicians being Musically illiterate, that couldn't read musical notation.
I might have overstated the statistical significance because of this point of confusion.

>Not real, he is too good, he had to develop it somehow through some sort of education, even just indirect exposure.
It's not proved beyond any reasonable doubt, but contemporary sources, especially Plato and Xenophon describe him as only ever engaging in oral debates and never in writing.
archaic hominin No.16776217
>>16776197
>I don't recall this particular point being made, then again, I could be wrong, so if you can tell which part of the video, I would greatly appreciate.
You don't have to rely on data this much in a casual conversation. Logic actually works as soon as you build a somewhat believable picture of the world, so you can literally just deduce it and then scientific method would then probably validate it.
People for some reason love using scientific method incorrectly, it's like when you see that the grass is green, it merely and only means that the grass is green. It's like castrating your own intelligence by dogmas. You should be able to deduce and assume things or you won't ever take a step outside of available data. I touched my grass this summer, can you even compete?
Anyway, if by skipping through the video I will find it then: https://youtu.be/FkKPsLxgpuY?si=gEE-4t889Pc9Z2AS&t=1539 it's here, so you can look into that meta-analysis and maybe jump to a different conclusion.
Overall, the video explains how important and reliable IQ at least for the extremes. They have achieved 95% accuracy for identification of those who try to pretend to be dumber on IQ test. Poor mildly intelligent journo has been specifically training for the test and still failed to achieve peak performance, in fact he even looks like a guy who is below 119 fluid.
Anonymous No.16776587
>>16771744
>The alternative being that you hide your invention in a corner in hopes that nobody figures it out and steals it from you.
Never worry about anyone stealing your good ideas... if they are actually good ideas you'll have to shove them down everyone's throats.
Anonymous No.16776592
>>16764530
to numb us
Anonymous No.16776601 >>16776823
>>16776128

>>16773235
>In particular, the IQ tests, subtests, and test items that remain in circulation are those that correlate most strongly with each other (Block and Dworkin 1974). As Terman himself readily disclosed, during the iterative process of test construction “tests that had low correlation with the total were dropped even though they were satisfactory in other respects” (Terman & Merrill 1960: 33). In other words, psychologists consciously altered IQ tests to focus more precisely—and accordingly more narrowly—on a particular, highly positively intercorrelated constellation of capacities.
Anonymous No.16776640
>>16764236
tfw no alien gf
why even live?
Anonymous No.16776679 >>16776921
>>16762430 (OP)
Why is there a bell curve on this image
Anonymous No.16776823
>>16776601
>psychologists consciously altered IQ tests to focus more precisely—and accordingly more narrowly—on a particular, highly positively intercorrelated constellation of capacities
With scores peaking in late puberty, also known as the pinnacle of intelligence
Anonymous No.16776921
>>16776679
it is the genius bellcurve with midwit genius in the middle
Anonymous No.16777357
>>16776027
>Cultural differences can become evident, as different countries can have vastly different education systems.
Firstly, education does not influence IQ very much. Secondly, an IQ test which has a cultural bias is simply not a good IQ test and it has been shown that IQ tests that ask culture-specific questions tend to be less g-loaded (and also tend to show *smaller* differences between ethnic groups).

>Or to give an extreme example is that it's very hard to accurately measure the IQ of someone who is illiterate, since all tests require reading and writing.
Raven's Progressive Matrices, probably the most famous type of IQ test, requires zero knowledge of reading or writing to take.

>Then there's the whole categorization of differernt IQ types. Visual-spatial, verbal, logic/mathematic, musical, proprioception and so on.
These heavily correlate with each other, pointing to there really just being one, general IQ
Anonymous No.16777361
>>16764373
You try to sound really smart by expressing everything in the language of set theory, thereby also confusing/scaring off any normies who would try to argue against you. This is neither cool nor impressive, it just makes you look like a massive dweeb to anyone who's been in college for more than a semester.
Of course if I memorize all the answers to an IQ test I will get a top score but that's not the point of the test. It's like saying that just because some teenagers could steal the answer key to a physics/math test and get top scores by memorizing all the correct answers that therefore all school testing is invalid and you cannot actually ever accurately measure how good someone is at math.