Thread 16762912

In biological terms, the word "race" is not used in zoology or botany; the equivalent would be "subspecies," which is what follows the term "species." Homo sapiens has no subspecies; no group is genetically distinct enough to qualify as a subspecies. The Bushmen came close due to their isolation, but they didn't quite reach that point. Although they are the most genetically distinct human group, with 75% of the same markers as the rest, they are still not a subspecies of Homo sapiens.

There was, however, a subspecies of Homo sapiens that coexisted with Homo sapiens sapiens, Homo sapiens idaltus, but it has been extinct for about 40,000 years.

>>16762912 (OP)
Race was a category we invented to ignore other people's crimes on the grounds that they should settle their own beefs in their own distinct legal systems. That's a very tolerant goal. It's now a category mostly used by one fraction of the descendants of the tolerant people to abuse another fraction.

>>16762912 (OP)
Species are already whatever people believe they are.
Biologists don't take it seriously. Too many tigers are breeding with lions to form fertile offspring.
We need to better define species and then sub species.

>>16764858
Why do we need to do that? If something wants to waste a lot of his own money on stupid shit, sure, go for it. But why do "we" "need" it?

>>16764901
Categories are worthless they can't be defined.

>>16762912 (OP)
>In biological terms, the word "race" is not used in zoology or botany
This is incorrect, actually. Race started as a general term for any locally adapted population (it's the origin of the term "landrace")
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(biology)
It's not exactly equivalent to a "subspecies", but humans most certainly qualify as having subspecies anyways.

>>16764937
I have a masters in molecular biology from a top 100 university and I've never heard of the concept of race outside of the mandatory philosophy course by a professor called Goldberg.

>>16764942
What's a top 100 university?

>>16765038
Chink universities are rising in the rankings

>>16765051
Ask yourself if you care more about the name of the university you went to, or the name of someone you met there. No one will really ever care about a chink university.

>>16765058
I didn't go to a chink university but 90% of the world will care even if I did. You won't because you live in a flyover state where the only people who are respected are those who unclog toilets.

>>16764942
>I have a masters in molecular biology from a top 100 university and I've never heard of the concept of race outside

Even if you did, which I doubt, said degree would in no way help you understand the concepts of modern genetics, or more importantly those of computational genetics.

You need an understanding of biology at a molecular level AND at least 3rd year level applied mathematics & Statistical analyses.
Add an ability to code and the matrix algerba skills to decipher/sort/arrange the various human race DNA database.

The human genome project has divided its sample database into 5 distinct super-populations, all based on racial divides. Why would that be? Maybe these people know a little more than you? Gee I wonder.

Race is a real and valid categorization.

>>16765069
Why are mountain niggers both fast and white?

>>16765064
You did.

>>16765122
You'll believe anything I tell you right?
If I defend India you'll think I'm indian.

>>16765069
>You need an understanding of biology at a molecular level AND at least 3rd year level applied mathematics & Statistical analyses.
>Add an ability to code and the matrix algerba skills to decipher/sort/arrange the various human race DNA database.
I have all of these. I'm a bioinformatician. But a degree makes you an expert.
I wish race was real but nobody has been able to define it.
Every paper has its own definition of where a race starts and ends. I'm always looking for machine learning papers on race but they're always different.

>>16765069
I agree with the 1000 genome projects definitions of subpopulations. 5 is a nice number. But I'm not 100% convinced. There's not enough of a consensus on it. And there's no clear definition.

>>16765213
Why would you defend India? What a stupid hill to die on lol.

>>16762912 (OP)
>start reading
>oh cool he's going to
>proceeds to ignore all evidence of self selection
Sometimes, you have to wonder. It's right there in front of you, and you're somewhere you won't get lambasted for saying it. But here you are, safe from harm, being a fucking coward.

>>16765216
>where it starts and ends
The only fucking point of reference is where it shows, not starts or ends. Every fucking country has(had?) readily apparent patterns. That a cross exists does not negate the origin.
>Mutts PROVE that Europeans aren't real!

>>16765402
>Mutts PROVE that Europeans aren't real!
No, we don't prove that. We prove that defining race by who your parents fucked is iffy.

>>16765453
That was a "this statement is obviously incorrect but fits the general gist of your claim." Please try to follow along.
>who your parents fucked
>iffy
>literally how genetics be
What's iffy is your grasp on genetics. Clearly.

>>16765498
We're talking about race. Don't drop the ball so easily.

>>16765541
>he read "American" when I said "mutt"
Lol.
Lmao.

>>16765567
I'm literally a mutt. And you're talking about me.

>>16765216
>I wish race was real but nobody has been able to define it.

Oh horseshit, you virtue-signalling buffoon.

A race is very simply a population that has adapted via natural selection to live in a geographical or other constraint that prevented inter-breeding with other races,

A race, despite what MSNBC wants you to believe, does not consist of a genetic clone. That would completely defeat the intent of natural evolutionary selection. A race consists of a population that share a large number of allelic patterns, all with an average or mean value, which are unique to, and define that race. Complex trait patterns more explicitly.

Sub-races are definitely possible, but all sub-races share a recent common ancestor. They are also genetically compatible, in the sense that their allelic patterns are similar.

How can you tell or define a race? Its quite simple, plot a populations allele patterns using PCA. Races with recent common ancestors cluster together. Populations that appear dispersed on the same set of axes are usually mixtures of two or more genetically incompatible races.

That is the reason why 1000 genomes chose the 5 classifications it did. They are based upon allele patterns.

INB4

BUT MUH RACIAL BOUNDARIES, MUH GENETIC GRADIENT MUH NO WELL DEFINED GRADIENT... Fuck off. The visible color spectrum goes from red to violet in one continual frequency increment. So there are no unique visible colors ?, no reds? no greens? no miscegenation, no absolutes?

No achievement comparisons between the races. Nothing. Really?

Of course we are all related. Dogs and wolves are too. Try and teach your dachshund to herd sheep. After all, they are all on the same genetic gradient.

>>16765590
Oh, so it's "race isn't real because I don't have one."
Sure, it's sad, but it isn't a true statement.

>>16765604
>A race is very simply a population that has adapted via natural selection to live in a geographical or other constraint that prevented inter-breeding with other races,
That is absolutely not what a race is. If it were, no one would have a billion dollar industry to make you care about race.

>>16765616
True, I don't have a race. Why are you mad about that?

>>16765659
>If it were, no one would have a billion dollar industry to make you care about race.
Please consider the possibility that this statement is untrue.
>you can't monetize something that exists
Pfffff. PFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

>>16765677
>mad
Sir, s and m are two entirely different hands on the keyboard.

>>16765694
Convince me that it's untrue. I'm open to being convinced. I'm just doubtful that you can.

>>16765706
Poo in the loo.

>>16765748
>convince me
>I'm open to it
No, you aren't. If you were, this post would not exist, or would say something completely different.
You're disingenuous. You warrant 0 effort.

>>16765803
Try. Or don't try.

>>16765785
>got baited by the sir
The "sir" has been included in my language since the mid 2010s when mocking self important retards. That it functions as bait for the same retards is secondary.

>>16765850
Yes, we're all happy for you. Just do it in your own country.

>>16765921
You are free to go through my comments and evaluate the nationality indicated. You are also free to continue believing me a jeet due to my usage of a singular word.

>>16765954
Agreed.

>>16765921
India's biggest issue is overpopulation. They shouldn't stay in their own country

>>16762912 (OP)
>zoology
Why would you study zoos and not just work at them?

>>16768228
Not my problem.

>>16762912 (OP)
There is a taxonomy of genetic distance which is well known in the field and connected to population groups. It's not widely talked about though due to the traditional racial categories (white, eastern asian, african/black, etc) is so ingrained, while fitting poorly with the actual data.

>>16768699
It's their problem though.

>>16768716
Yes?