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Anonymous No.16774083 >>16774113 >>16774239 >>16774341 >>16774370 >>16774711 >>16774863 >>16774874 >>16775205 >>16776151
Many physicists "an heroed" when this was first revealed.

It can't not be an simulation.
Anonymous No.16774086 >>16774087 >>16774404
>>>reddit
Anonymous No.16774087
>>16774086
This is /sci/
Anonymous No.16774101 >>16774134 >>16774136 >>16774144 >>16774342 >>16774744
can someone redpill me on this? i don't get why people freak out about this experiment. seems like it's the usual nonsense where physicists fall for the math meme and then get surprised when their model is not correct in experiments
Anonymous No.16774113
>>16774083 (OP)
wave mechanics is a 100 year-old concept and nobody is impressed
Anonymous No.16774134 >>16774140 >>16774201
>>16774101
It means that the world is mind dependent, how things appear depends on who's looking at it. It has massive philosophical implications for what we can actually know. If our perception of reality bends to accommodate our minds, what are our minds hiding from us?
Anonymous No.16774136
>>16774101
interacting with particles changes their behavior, there's nothing wrong with the math here
Anonymous No.16774140 >>16774402
>>16774134
no it fucking doesn't you stupid faggot
Anonymous No.16774144 >>16774189 >>16774406
>>16774101
As I understand it, particles are in a kind of indeterminate state until observed or interacted with in some way, whereupon they collapse into a single defined state. If true, it means the universe isn't deterministic, and essentially destroys classic physics models.
Anonymous No.16774189
>>16774144
>essentially destroys classic physics models
i thought that was the case all the way when quantum mechanics was invented
Anonymous No.16774201 >>16774354 >>16774402
>>16774134
No, the setup depends on a photon sensor being in place or not, not a mind. The real problem is that it demonstrates that measuring a system necessarily alters the system.
Anonymous No.16774239 >>16774240 >>16774570
>>16774083 (OP)
how can a particle act like a wave?
Anonymous No.16774240
>>16774239
Same way a globe can act like a map.
Anonymous No.16774341
>>16774083 (OP)
>if you hit a particle with a wave it'll move like a wave
yeah
Anonymous No.16774342 >>16774856
>muh consciousness
The only way to observe a particle is to interact with it. You are essentially poking things with a cane, in the same way that a blind man does. Except the cane is light (or what have you) and the hand is your eyes or a sensor or whatever.

>>16774101
>physicists fall for the math meme and then get surprised when their model is not correct
Retard. For the past 100 years, it's been the complete opposite. People disbelieve the math, only for it to be proved correct in experiments.
Anonymous No.16774354 >>16774355 >>16774372 >>16775102 >>16775123
>>16774201
Wrong.
There have been experiments minimizing measurement error below Heisenberg uncertainty, even with measurement effects, and Heisenberg uncertainty still prevails.
This means, no this isn't a measurement quirk. Matter is in fact, a wave.
Anonymous No.16774355
>>16774354
NTA but he wasn’t saying it was measurement error nor disputing that it was a wave, you dummy
Anonymous No.16774370
>>16774083 (OP)
>Many physicists "an heroed" when this was first revealed.
Sophons do be like that. Physics is dead.
Anonymous No.16774372
>>16774354
>Matter is in fact, a wave.
Quantum mechanical objects are not particles nor are they waves. They are quantum mechanical object and behave exactly like quantum mechanical objects.
Your need to grasp onto failed analogies is holding you back.
Anonymous No.16774378
>Researchers at DLR have for the first time diffracted a beam of helium atoms through an ultrathin graphene membrane. The atomic matter waves created a characteristic wave pattern behind the membrane.

>DLR researchers have succeeded, for the first time, in diffracting matter waves of atoms through a solid; until now, this had only been possible with electrons and neutrons. This opens up new avenues in materials research – enabling both the investigation of samples sensitive to radiation and the development of radiation-resistant materials.
bodhi No.16774402 >>16774703
>>16774140
>>16774201
people say this over and over on this website without having a single clue that dean radin (and likely others) has proved this already.
Anonymous No.16774404 >>16775196
>>16774086
Double slit came out before reddit even existed you internet addicted zoomer
Anonymous No.16774406
>>16774144
>particles are in a kind of indeterminate state
Yeah but we dont know what they are doing when not observed is the issue
Anonymous No.16774570 >>16774645 >>16775163
>>16774239
>how can a particle act like a wave?
This has been known since Isaac Newton did his prism experiment. Light has many colors, each color is a different possible state of a photon.
The light spectrum is just a frequency and hence momentum spectrum. Each single photon has a momentum distribution, and a location uncertainty which we call coherence length.
People casually talk about light spectrum and then act like wow OMG multiple states at the same time?
Anonymous No.16774645 >>16775133
>>16774570
>Each single photon has a momentum distribution
utter nonsense
the distribution is an expression of our inability to measure
every photon you measure has a certain momentum, not a "distribution"
Anonymous No.16774691
Still fucking waiting on that neutron double slit. Could settle for proton.
Anonymous No.16774703
>>16774402
link paper
Anonymous No.16774711
>>16774083 (OP)
>interacting with an electron changes its position and velocity
woooooooooow next they’re going to tell me not interacting with it doesnt alter its properties at all.
Anonymous No.16774744 >>16774768 >>16774885 >>16776774
>>16774101
You shoot an electron at the screen and you get a detection event at the screen where the electron hits the screen. So far nothing weird has happened.
You do that many times and see that you get this stripe pattern. If you assume that electrons are point particles this is strange because you'd assume to get two bands on the screen behind the slits.
In fact the pattern looks like the interference of a wave that passes through both slits (however you can't ever measure this for a single electron because a single electron only makes one dot on the screen).
In an attempt to explain this you assume that every electron must be a wave by itself that passes through both slits and interferes with itself. Now you run into a problem because right before the screen the electron wave should be smeared out over the entire screen (together with its mass, energy, charge, etc.) but when it hits the screen you get a single detection of the entire electron with the right charge, mass, etc. So how did the smeared out electron suddenly localize into a single point, faster than the speed of light even? I say faster than the speed of light because you instantly know that there can't be anything to be absorbed anymore in the entire area of the screen.
That's the real mystery here.
Of course you made an assumption that every electron is a wave by itself, which may very well be wrong and the source of the confusion.
For example, there has been this paper that recovers the wave function, hilbert spaces and all the fancy stuff from non Markovian dynamics of boring point particles.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.16935
Anonymous No.16774768 >>16774779
>>16774744
>begins yelling about local electromagnetic fields
Anonymous No.16774779
>>16774768
Okay but the wave function still isn't a physical object
Anonymous No.16774856
>>16774342
>Retard. For the past 100 years, it's been the complete opposite.
explain astronomy then, mr. retard caller
Anonymous No.16774863 >>16774896 >>16776124
>>16774083 (OP)
Observer =/= human eyes
Anonymous No.16774874
>>16774083 (OP)
Stop getting spooked. It's not a mental thing.

Yes, there is an underlying quantum world that works fundamentally different than ours.
No, it's not proof for the matrix. If anything, our existence pretty much implies the existence of the quantum world and vice versa. One could probably not exist without the other. In essence, the quantum world pretty much suggests that the matrix does NOT exist, it points to an eternal balance instead.
Anonymous No.16774885
>>16774744
>If you assume that electrons are point particles this is strange because you'd assume to get two bands on the screen behind the slits.
The diffraction pattern only emerges when you do not detect which slit each particle passes through. If you detect each particle at the slits (and examine the resulting data), they DO only form two bands. I like Tom Campbell's explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhMIz_iJtzQ
Anonymous No.16774896 >>16776125
>>16774863
corr good kittington diss
Anonymous No.16775102
>>16774354
>no this isn't a measurement quirk
Wrong, the fact that measuring a system alters the system is a quirk of measurement.
Anonymous No.16775123 >>16775136
>>16774354
>There have been experiments minimizing measurement error below Heisenberg uncertainty,
source: my ass
Anonymous No.16775133 >>16775147
>>16774645
>every photon you measure has a certain momentum, not a "distribution"
Every photon follows the heisenberg uncertainty principle. It doesnt have a defined wavelength but a distribution, and it has an associated inverse uncertainty in position.
Photons with a sharp uncertainty in momentum are like monochromatic lasers, and these have as such a very large uncertainty in position, i.e a large coherence length, a large region where the photon might be located.
Anonymous No.16775136
>>16775123
>here have been experiments minimizing measurement error below Heisenberg uncertainty,
You can check it with a laser. Just one common laser. Its going to have two kinds of uncertainty, in position its called the coherence length, and in momentum is how wide the spectrum is (in units of momentum).
Multiply both, its around the plank constant more or less, depending on how you define with width of the distribution.
Narrow spectrum x High coherence >=Planck constant
Or with common light
Wide spectrum x low coherence>=Planck constant
Anonymous No.16775147
>>16775133
>might be
and yet when it slams into a detector, it is in only one place
don't be daft
Anonymous No.16775163
>>16774570
back then light was only thought to be a wave not also a particle.
Anonymous No.16775196
>>16774404
Log off boomer
Anonymous No.16775205 >>16776045
>>16774083 (OP)
Regardless of whether it's a simulation or not we still feel things and actions have consequences in this reality.

Simulation hypothesis changes nothing about the waking world we exist in. Once you realize this you've elevate yourself to being amongst the real humans who understand this and still go about their day being kind to others.
Anonymous No.16776045
>>16775205
>Claims universe is a simulation
>Cant simulate a 3 body system
Anonymous No.16776124
>>16774863
Based !!
Anonymous No.16776125
>>16774896
Absolute nonsense
Anonymous No.16776151
>>16774083 (OP)

You're not wrong. This fucks with our fundamental beliefs but gets taught in school like it was just another thing.

It's basically a glitch in the Matrix that's also mainstream.
Anonymous No.16776764
is he right?
https://youtu.be/70hyhO2VEPQ
Anonymous No.16776774
>>16774744
>So how did the smeared out electron suddenly localize into a single point, faster than the speed of light even?
Thats it?
Thats the big mistery that you people have been freaking about?
You are like an orangutan watching a magic trick. I seriously cant believe
Explanation: The wave is a probability wave, not the electron being spread out whatever that means. When you actually measure the position (with the detector, which is the screen) its going to be a specific location.
Holy shit this is like 1929 levels of scientific understanding you are still fazed by this?