Thread 16775154

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/sfg/ is kill

"Manganese Diboride has what rockets crave! It's got electrolytes!"

>MnB2 releases about 20% more energy per unit weight and is roughly 2.5 times as energy-dense as aluminum powder, the standard metal fuel in today’s solid rocket boosters.

edition name?

>>16775172
>>16775164

Declares having the ULA launched Gateway should be the real win. He actually said that.

>>16775176
I know his day job is lobbying for ULA but damn, that level of shilling is unbelievably blatant and sets its sights appallingly low.

>>16775170
>solids

>>16775185
>>16775190
Good. This will force Starlink to offer gigabit speeds, as well.

>>16775190
>Looses your license

Tick tock Project Stupider. The clock is running on getting your constellation up.

>>16775190
>terabit internet
for what purpose?

>>16775199
Look at what Starlink charges for aviation, maritime, and business. It would be retarded to start competing with pleb internet. The capacity won't be there for years anyway.

spehs

Asked this in the previous thread as well
Does anyone have any good soruces or books to read up on the near future of space travel? I'm new to this topic

>>16775194
Starlink bandwidth is divided between all users in the footprint of the satellite they're connected to. Starlink could easily have gigabit speeds if each bird only had to connect to one person. That's what Kuiper's test did. When there's dozens of people sharing the connection, that bandwidth will rapidly decrease.

>>16775209
Wonder what coating Energia had and if Buran would have been in the same danger of wing strikes by tank debris as the Shuttle was.

>>16774638
I was referring to the solar energy stuff and jokingly implying it's a nuclear energy company, since they're collecting energy from the sun. After all, nuclear plants also just stick an angry rock in water to spin a wheel, so is solar energy not also a gigantic fusion reactor where they collect the fusion energy by pointing rectangles into the sky

>>16775264
Idiotic.

>>16774881
>because they must be testing it
Yeah they did test it with electron. The short lived electron reuse program did show that carbon fiber can withstand booster re-entry.

Just this tiny device is more advanced than anything SpaceX has ever built.

another W for mike. QI is right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpePFDDstwE

>>16775300
be kinda nice if it was something like liquid beer

>>16775302
How does this https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu2637 relate to quantization of inertia?

mike drop..

>>16775305
What novel prediction does QI make pertaining to this paper that is excluded (not just ignored) by non-QI physics?

>>16775307
it predicts that Russia should win in Ukraine.

https://x.com/pronounced_kyle/status/1963263727760781437

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n8H4wnlI7o

space force will begin rolling out their uniform to the whole service starting in november. the rollout will be slow though and is expected to be finished NET june.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/space-force-uniform/

>>16775234
Most people here dont/cant read, they just watch clickbait on YouTube and then shitpost about it. But if you keep doing that for enough years, you wont be new anymore.
Since you are asking about "the future", you wont get so many books, but online is your source for rampant speculation about things that are proposed or works in progress.
Learn about all the rockets flying today, and the new ones about to make their debut in the next few years, Starship, New Glenn, Relativity, Stoke, Neutron, etc. Learn about their engines, fuels, pros and cons. Everyday astronaut and NSF has some videos about basics of turbopump fuel cycles, so do lots of other reputable channels who attempt to educate armchair engineers. Not sure how much background you have in engineering so cant say more than that

>>16775326
multicam on mars

>>16775326
Where did she earn her badges? Have there been space battles?

>>16775331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG5v7ng0o4A

>>16775332
At least they died for Israel
Our greatest ally

>>16775331
Why don't you ask her anon?

>>16775264
ok, I'll allow it: Tesla (= SolarCity) is a fusion energy company

>>16775331
>Have there been space battles?
Not that you are privy to.

>>16775234
im not sure if there is a good source for that. the near future is constantly in flux because the industry is heavy on proposals but the development timelines are long. projects also get canceled all the time. here are some examples though:
>iss & space stations - just a couple of years ago there were 6 space stations in serious development. now there are maybe 2 or 3. two more years from now and things could look radically different again.
>spacex - following the company is even worse, because even though they get shit done, they are always changing things. what you think could be the near future for them could be different a month later.
>government - everyone praised trump's first term because he did wonders for the industry, but its been a rollercoaster in his second term. china? they are too secretive to pin down.

at best you're going to get general trends...and for now the trends are still looking good even though there is currently alot of turmoil.

>>16775331
She only has two. Ones her rank, the others her branch.

>>16775331
>Have there been space battles?
did you miss all the activity that has been going on with iran?

>On October 31, 2023, during a Yemeni missile strike on Israel, Israel's Arrow 2 system intercepted a ballistic missile launched from Yemen by Houthi rebels; this successful interception occurred outside of Earth's atmosphere thus making it the first recorded practical instance of space warfare during an active conflict.
>On April 14, 2024, Iran launched more than 120 ballistic missiles at Israel, making it the first large-scale incident in which a space weapon was used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_warfare

>>16775337
Elmo status?

>>16775326
Cute mutt desu

>>16775343
Real space battles are pretty boring, currently its about intercepting signals and taking photos of each others satellites
t. visited Buckley SFB

>>16775346
Non Grata.

>>16775234
The High Frontier by Gerard O'Neill

>>16775327
>>16775234
>>16775339
Yeah now that i think of it, with how quickly the field is evolving, i cant really expect any decent texts on it. Still thanks. Any good blogs to follow perhaps?

>>16775164
/sfg/ is rapid unscheduled disassembly.
>>16775172
The back fell off, dramatically.

>>16775337
>>16775346
>>16775349
So should we expect a similar chimpout to what happeend when Biden didn't invide Musk to the EV conference?

>>16775192
Raptor 1 had the heat exchanger, it was bestparted on 2. What I want is the proof or evidence that you're basing your claim of 3 having a heat exchanger again on. So far the only thing I've seen is speculation to the tune of "they must've brought it back because it'd be retarded not to, this part vaguely looks like there could be a heat exchanger so that must be it".

>>16775337
Trump is dying
They will rebuild him

>>16775176
china doesn't even plan for more than one human landing
nasa is preparing for a permanent base

these are completely different objectives, by any metric china is 55 years late

>>16775352
there are some blogs but i dont think they're worth following since they arent for casuals. if you're looking for blogs then you're already deep inna spaceflight hobby at the autist level so you already know everything and you're just looking for opinions and info on niche stuff. you're better off sticking with /sfg/, entry level space youtubers, general news sources, and twitter.

https://chrisprophet.substack.com/
https://thespacereview.com/
https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/ (pic related)

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1963612279464710522

booster for flight 11 getting static fired this weekend

>>16775176
Doesn't matter, ACES is back. The real question is, are they secretly working on it for cislunar operations.

>>16775369
(2/2)
Lockheed Martin was very successful at lobbying recently (the whole red scare thing in the news). My guess is they managed to secure lunar fission reactor and ACES funding. The latter is actually more secretive because there are military applications.

>>16775369
lunar nuclear power > gateway > aces

>>16775369
I want to see a hydrogen powered ICE APU in a rocket just so I can buy a "my other car is a rocket" bumper sticker from ULA

eta for the next starship launch?

>>16775375
freaknastiest bitch in the community yjk she's down for some fucked up shit

>>16775379
Two weeks

>>16775375
>why not fly somewhere else?
there are no other locations in the US
>why not not fly?
not an option given the race with china

>>16775362
From recollection that Chris Prophet guy is an absolute retard, I wouldn't recommend him.

>>16775383
How much would Starship's capabilities be reduced if launched from Kodiak?

>>16775331
Assuming you mean ribbons, she probably came over from the Air Force, so many of them were from there. Ribbons are often issued to large numbers of service members for general things like "The Global War on Terror". Over time, even without doing anything special, service members can end up with a large number of ribbons.

>>16775356
It doesn't appear the Trump administration has been using federal agencies to harass SpaceX like Biden did so Musk shouldn't have as much reason to care about not getting invited to tea.

>>16775331
She's seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. She watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-dmaKXFks
>I Never Expected N*dists to Oppose Starship... Is Space Coast Getting Too Busy?

>>16775375
>>16775392

>>16775365
its so great how well the last flight went. means all this can go ahead soon.

>>16775392
As an Amtrakian, I'm opposed to Canadian nude beaches. That aside, coastal eras are desirable for many reasons so there will often be contention for incompatible uses.

>>16775393
so just dont close anything. that would solve most of these problems. it wont be too busy until returning boosters have to wait in a holding pattern.

>why not a more desolate area with less people
these fucking people, why not move somewhere where there isn't a launch complex?
there have been launch pads there for like 70 years

Reminder that this would be less of an issue if based mullet president got his way.

>>16775397
Scary thought: the nudists are older than the launch pads.

the government doesn't want you to know but rockets work identical when launched over land

>>16775337
>>16775346
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1963624123998896368

apparently he was invited

>>16775398
>if only we had 50 million more mexicans

Check it, fags. I know some of you are here.

>>16775411
I don't think the others will like him sending X Æ A-12 there.

>>16775398
Baha California would be great for launching rockets. I bet you could launch a starship or F9 from one side of that bay and have the booster land on the other side, avoiding drone ships and giving a payload advantage. You could just cycle them back and forth, and put half your constellation in retrograde orbits

>>16775234
Take a look at the books from Springer Praxis. That's the evil science publishing company's Space titles series. Plenty of books on historic, future and speculate space subjects.

>>16775439
>okay so we're going to start at the moon and then after the moon we're going straight to jupiter
>wait what about mars?
>SHUT THE FUCK UP NAZI
why are they like this?

>>16775435
as a bonus you could drop trash on californians

>>16775398
>missing Gulf of America

The Holy Trinity

>>16775420
how many kuiper stats are in orbit now?

>>16775398
>northern border in the west not at 54'40"
map discarded

>>16775454
strapping a couple FH together might though

>>16775176

>Mountain Dew product placement

Srsly?!

>>16775463
104
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Kuiper#Launch_history

>>16775300
>The Chinese-led research team based their findings on seismic readings from NASA's InSight lander on Mars, which recorded more than 1,300 marsquakes before shutting down in 2022.

NASA scientists could have discovered this first. It was their mission. But they were too busy with HR Diversity training and making Tik Toks of them dancing at work.

>>16775420
Amazoon claims to have roughly 2x smaller dish size / bandwidth compared to Starlink. I wonder if it involves patents to prevent straight copies. Jeff would do something like that.

https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/innovation-at-amazon/heres-your-first-look-at-project-kuipers-low-cost-customer-terminals

Win for The X.

>>16775492
By putting the receive and transmit arrays on top of each other, instead of along side. Bold plan. Let's see how that works out for them:

https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/innovation-at-amazon/amazon-marks-breakthrough-in-project-kuiper-development

>>16775486
Whats MSL here?
Also since mars seems to have an internal composition broadly similar to earths besides the comparably larger mantle, whats the explanation for why it doesn't have a magnetic field?

>>16775504
It's smaller in size and the outer core has cooled off too much.

>>16775500
I mean, wifi already does this, the tradeoff is that you can't do both transmit and receive simultaneously unless you're doing some hardcore OFDM with expensive filters. That's what I remember from my old RF engineering course anyway

>>16775508
Depending on what msl is that might not be evident. Including msl the outer core is pretty close in size to earths and a cooler outer core would be smaller.

>>16775502
the red makes it faster

>>16775504
>>16775516
It stands for molten silicate layer.
In contrary to what this guy >>16775508 says the actual paper claims the core and mantle are higher temperature than earths.

>>16775472
I think its more about the upper stage being 3.7m in diameter not being able to support a very heavy payload.

>>16775176
>used up oldspace loser says we can't
why would I listen to him?

>>16775346
MELTY!

>>16775176
More people should say
>USA will lose to China in second space race
I support people saying
>USA will lose to China in second space race
If more people say
>USA will lose to China in second space race
NASA might get more funding in the right place
Otherwise
>USA will lose to China in second space race

>>16775393
1.) I don't care
2.) Lying
3.) Simply don't close the beaches

>>16775527
It's actually pretty crazy how much influence over the media these companies have. It's the only reason you're seeing this shit constantly in the news.

>>16775416
They would've been bred out by Americans.

>>16775504
>whats the explanation for why it doesn't have a magnetic field?
Take a look in our solar system and you will find no Earth sized bodies with strong magnetic fields, apart from Earth.
The Moon is responsible for ours. It's core is still molten metal like ours and acts as a dynamo.
Another clear W for the rare Earth hypothesis.

>>16775502
ACES is about 10 years too late. There are too many space tugs in development. They need to be working on ACES-NTP.

>>16775533
That doesn't make any sense.
If moons are required why is mars crust magnetized proving it had a magnetic field in the past?

>>16775361
Coping doesn't help us

>>16775533
>Take a look in our solar system and you will find no Earth sized bodies with strong magnetic fields, apart from Earth.
in other words venus doesn’t have a magnetosphere.
all the big boys do.

>>16775537
Of course it can have a magnetic field in the past, gas giants have magnetic fields without being orbited by big dynamos, but clearly planetary magnetic fields decay over time. The moon offset the decay of Earths magnetic field by billions of years. Perhaps nowadays it actually doesnt act as a dynamo anymore due to being far away and having lost it's own magnetic field, but for much of the Earths lifespan it was very close and had it's own magnetic field which directly interacted with that of the Earth. Is it just pure coincidence then that Earth ended up as the only rocky terrestrial with a strong magnetic field in the big 25? The moon would probably have it's own magnetic field if it wasnt tidally locked.

>>16775431
I think Trump liked his kids so that'd probably turn out well.

>>16775541
Strangely ganymede has a more powerful magnetic sphere than mars despite being much smaller.
The weakness of mars magnetic field is very puzzling, it's even weaker than mercury's.
>>16775542
Looks like you're making wild assertions with no evidence and making just so stories to explain away contradictory evidence. Yes, earth is clearly special in some way, no that doesn't mean your explanation is correct. There are other options.

>>16775542
Venus
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>>16775548
Is it not so that earth core should be solid by now were it not for radioactive decay?

>>16775554
Giant impact probably added a billion+ years to the core lifespan when the moon was created but life didn't need that

>>16775554
Earths core is solid

>>16775539
The chinks will probably send a spare lander and a spare return ship. Commie party can't lose face in public, even more so in such a mediatic mission.

>>16775563
anon they're going to build an entire base there and their program is on schedule

>>16775176
This Senate committee meeting is sponsored by Mountain Dew. "Do the Dew!"

>>16775572
Brawndo is the official sponsor of this presidential term.

>>16775308
So all Russia has to do is turn on their QI drones and they will win?
WHY HAVEN'T THEY TURNED IT ON YET?

>>16775331
Ribbons are nearly always just participation trophies. Most were made up by boomers who never did anything of note

>>16775380
Miss Piggy has a hunger for my dirty hairy

Is MMX the only real happening in the next 5 years, since Artemis crewed clearly isn't going to happen?

>will study phobos up close
>will land on it and take samples and return them to earth
>will deploy a small rover to explore the moon
>will come equipped with an 8k camera to capture the most high definition photos of mars ever

>>16775416
Follow Israel's example and just push them south

Guesses on Jim's soda at this Senate hearing.

>>16775393
>censors nude
>shows cleavage

>>16775603
yeah and remember that feet video

>>16775533
I don’t think a moon has anything to do with it. Mars is way smaller than earth, and even with earth-like rotation it doesn’t have enough internal heat to drive a dynamo magnetic field. It has cooled way faster than earth, and any magnetic field it once possessed has stopped working. Its crust has remnant magnetism indicating a historic magnetic field, but obviously it doesn’t have one now.
On the flip side, Venus was smashed and its rotation basically negated, and while its surface is scorching hot from runaway greenhouse effects, its mantle and core have stopped convecting and have stagnated as plate tectonics shut down and the gradient needed to drive an efficient planet-wide dynamo magnetic field no longer exists

>>16775545
Kek underrated

>>16775544
>>16775513
Speaking of schizodrive, has there been any news in the last 2 weeks?

>>16775620
they turned it on and the satellite quickly flew into deep space and they lost it.

oh nononono!

>>16775630
What did Dr. Kleiner do now?

>>16775632
Ropes can be used to cross pits, Gordon!

“But what if he’s telling the truth?”

>>16775643
That's the part about Japan that I love the most, that childlike naive optimism

>>16775630
Tory looks old. All my photos are like from 10 years ago

>>16775439
thought the cover was some esoteric 'identifying wood' meme

>>16775234
ERIC
BERGER
'liftoff' and 'reentry'

Cancel Artemis? Yea or nay

>>16775668
>+100 social credit
kys chinky

>>16775668
Nay. My spent tax dollars need to see a return on investment.

>>16775668
I’m not giving the moon to china without a fight

>>16775670
>>16775671
Longer-term, I mean. We can still send Artemis II and Artemis III in this scenario and beat the chinks back to the Moon. The jared isaacman proposition. But what about scrapping it and revamping some new Moon-Mars initiative program that’s more just NASA requesting rocket rides from SX and BO and Rocketlab and ULA for outposts, orbital and/or surface, on Mars?
I say fuck Artemis. Fund a continuously-manned surface colony of at least 10 people. Like the ISS, but it just happens to be on the lunar surface.

>>16775676
>Fund a continuously-manned surface colony of at least 10 people. Like the ISS, but it just happens to be on the lunar surface.
Any plans that don't include that aren't good enough. No single launch a year and occupying it for a few weeks at a time.

>>16775676
>more freedom for contractors
Artemis would have already succeeded in landing on the Moon at least as an unmanned test if NASA was stricter on the design requirements. Lander could have been assembled on 2 falcon heavy flights ez pz. Instead they allowed contractors to propose whatever the fuck they wanted, which of course lead to absurd proposals.

>>16775611
the impact that created the moon did give a sizable heat input to the proto-earth tho

>>16775300
1.842.771.176
SPHERICAL
KILOMETERS
OF IRON

>>16775698
Ah yes I agree actually

>>16775454
is this about orion?

>>16775698
>the impact that created the moon

the moon is a captured planet. double smack theory is bunk

>>16775689
>single launch a year
which is why SLS is totally worthless, because they can't even build them that fast

>>16775668
The program? Nay
The architecture? Yea

They need to sit down and think about what they want to accomplish on the moon (permanent human presence) and design a vehicle that supports that in its entirety, not an underpowered space taxi

>>16775709
too similar in composition for that to be true

>>16775713
the only problem is the return capsule. I'm confident that BOBM lander will be successful enough to support a lunar base in the long term. BO is at the very least showing they are committed to the HLS contract. The issue is getting the astronauts home. Orion being the only way back from the moon is a massive issue and it really needs to be replaced.
if we didn't need Orion to get back to earth we don't need SLS at all or the gateway or the EUS.

If it were me I would task space X to do a study to see if It's feasible to beef up dragon with a new life support system, better heat shield, and more prop for lunar insertion and return. Then they could launch this new moon dragon on FH which is more than capable of putting 15-16t to TLI, or if somehow it's too heavy for FH they can launch it on BONG.

>>16775732
should mention that starship will "eventually" be able to support both launch and landing but that is a LONG way off. I don't think starship will be mature enough by 2030 to return people from the moon so an upgraded dragon seems like the best option for an Orion replacement.

we're going to have to land landing pads for starship on the moon and mars, wont we?

>>16775738
Yes

>>16775738
you act like that's somehow difficult to do. you only need to send the construction bots the first time to construct a "good enough" launch pad from 3d printed regolith or whatever. Then you land a starship with 100-200 ton of cargo and start making proper launch towers

>>16775738
No

>spacex now doing daily launches
>NASA still building a rocket to do a single launch moon mission

unhuh

>>16775743
Yeah what's the problem here? Both are performing their intention

>>16775744
orbital
assembly

>>16775542
>The moon offset the decay of Earths magnetic field
This makes no sense

>>16775757
This isn’t how it would look IRL by the way

>>16775732
>Orion being the only way back from the moon is a massive issue
maybe it won't be, maybe the return trajectory change will completely fix the heat shied issues.
or maybe it wont but it won't matter because reentry isn't as hard as Columbia made it look

>>16775758
True, sorry. Here is the real one.

>>16775766
even if Orion is flawless it still can't get to the moon without SLS which, as stated previously, we should be doing everything we can to get rid of.
Even if there is an acceptable alternative to launching orion, orion is still garbage because of how small the service module is, it can't even get to low lunar orbit.
Even WITH a more powerful prop module (which would make it even more difficult to launch with existing launchers), it's being made by lockheed martin. do you really think LM is going to be able to support long term lunar presence?

bottom line, orion needs to go. SLS needs to go. use dragon as an interim replacement until starship is a fully functional and proven system

>>16775571
this dude's middle name literally means sewer

>>16775794
not even the germans have words that long for such a simple thing

>>16775154 (OP)
Imagine if the Americans are just a bit faster than the Chinese in the 21 century race to the moon but the HLS can't take off after landing on the Moon, do you think they would let the Chinese to rescue them?

>>16775794
kek

>>16775773
Orion service module always looks goofy to me. If Apollowas proportionedlike a human then Orion is proportioned like a grey ayy, with a tiny body and comparitively massive head.

>>16775806
It's really striking when you see a comparison. Orion simply was not designed to go to the moon. it was designed as a jobs program first and a space program second

>>16775806
>If Apollo_was proportioned_like a human
the CSM always looked way to SM heavy to me. especially with that fuckoff big engine bell

Behold, a man-rated vehicle (for some reason), that is basically Orion/ESM

>>16775811
why not use something like this to shuttle people to and from the moon instead of orion?

for earth re-entry you can just send a dragon up, rendezvous in LEO, dock and transfer the crew, and then re-enter on dragon. obviously it wont work with this specifically but a lunar taxi to get to low lunar orbit and back to LEO would probably be more feasible with commercial launchers than using Orion and it would avoid the issue lunar return velocity re-entries

>>16775815
Why not just use the Dragon for everything in this scenario? Why do you need an ATV middleman?

>>16775816
dragon cant reenter from lunar orbit
>but what if you beefed it up
no

>>16775816
Assuming that Musk was not bullshitting the dozens of times he said it, Dragon can survive lunar return. If that's true it is sus why he has never sent paying customers around the moon in Dragon (such as dearmoon). And also if that is true it means Orion is not essential.

>>16775816
dragon can only do LEO return not lunar return. only orion can do that currently. You "could" alter dragon to do lunar return but that would require a lot of work and at least an uncrewed demonstration flight to show that it can actually reenter safely all of that would take a very long time. not to mention you also need a better life support system. Orion's is significantly more advanced than dragon which only lasts like 5 days.

If you have a lunar taxi then you can skip that. Dragon never sees anything other than LEO return velocity which it can easily handle. Docking is also easy (they do it all the time with ISS).

It would still be like 4 launches depending on how many blue moon needs but it's totally doable. you could get someone like Vast to build it (they are working on long term space habitats after all) with assistance from another company to build the propulsion module, and NASA to help with the life support systems.

>>16775738
The maximum thrust of the Apollo Lunar Module (LM) descent engine was approximately 45,000 Newtons

Maximum thrust of starship is 12,300 kN

and apollo already got problems with regolith debree fucking the desent stage on landing

you do the math

>>16775828
There's a reason the HLS is going to have cold gas thrusters at the top

>>16775828
I look forward to the inevitable Musk approach of landing a starship raw on top of an arid rocky flat in the middle of nowhere and seeing how bad the damage is on desent/takeoff

>>16775829
sure but we should still probably have landing pads constructed if we are gonna do long term occupation of the moon.

>>16775828
>Maximum thrust of starship
so don't run all 6 engines at full throttle

why are astronomers so scared of near SETI?

>>16775572
its got what lobbyists crave!!

>>16775404
they are. i went to the nude section of playalinda shortly after graduating high school, i was scarred for life desu. nobody there was under the age of 60...so much loose skin... ;_;

>>16775861
allowing old people to walk around nude is a crime against humanity. as such I think the beach should be turned into something useful, like a launch pad for starship

>>16775866
>allowing old people to walk around nude is a crime against humanity
i agree but the sun feels good on my balls so i dont blame them

I look longingly
at places I will never go

article going over texas-based startups that are focused on the moon
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/firefly-aerospace-intuitive-machines-nasa-moon/

>>16775892
the article is a million words long though so im not going to try and summarize it

>>16775844
even 1 raptor at min throttle of ~40% is way too much.
hence why they are using gas thrusters high up in every render you see of HLS.

We definitely need landing pads and we can make them with in situ materials. there have been a ton of studies on concrete made using lunar regolith. just need someone like intuitive machines to build a construction bot that can build the pad.

>>16775892
>sign up

ok but what about free

>>16775896
weird it was free for me, here's the archive of it https://archive ph/cGIYi

>>16775844
1,025,000 newtons on a single raptor at half power

>>16775899
1 cubic kilonewton...

whats the future for this shit

>>16775892
@grok summarize this article

>>16775904
next year's april fools joke should be an AI assistant that summarizes threads for you

>>16775904
The article discusses Texas's central role in NASA's lunar exploration through Firefly Aerospace (Cedar Park) and Intuitive Machines (Houston), part of NASA's Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) program, which uses private companies to deliver lunar payloads cost-effectively amid competition with China. Firefly's Blue Ghost achieved a successful lunar landing in March 2025, delivering significant data, while Intuitive Machines' Odysseus and Athena missions (February and March 2025) faced challenges, tipping over and limiting operations. Despite a historical lunar mission failure rate over 50% due to navigation, gravity, and dust issues, both companies push innovation. Political challenges include a proposed 24% NASA budget cut in May 2025, later restored, but CLPS 2.0 remains unfunded. Future plans involve Firefly and Intuitive Machines' 2026 missions, NASA's 2027 Artemis III crewed landing, and a lunar nuclear reactor by 2030 to counter China's 2035 plans. Texas's successes signal potential for a lunar economy by the 2040s, but sustained political support is critical.

>>16775234
Not sure what you exactly mean by "future of space travel" as it's a bit broad.
Atomic Rockets is a good source though.

>>16775328
I for one cannot wait until we get both lunar and martian pattern multicam.

>>16775234
quite literally every prediction about the future of space will be thrown out in the coming decade due to an unforeseen black swan event, so everything you read about space elevators and shit will be completely wrong.

>>16775810
The engine bell looks tuff

>>16775890
I talked with a coworker tonight who was extremely interested in the new football season starting up. As the conversation turned towards NASA and spaceflight in general I was met with "Well nobody can live out there so whatever".
Then I watched an hour of people betting on NFL games using their phone.

>>16775770
no that's fake, >>16775757 is the real one

>>16775923
It's ok anon. the normies will go extinct while we explore the stars

>>16775923
Maybe they would care if they could bet on games being played on the moon or Mars.

>>16775927
moon sports in 1/6 gravity will be a part of the lunar economy eventually

>>16775176

This shilling brought to you by Mountain Dew(tm)

(((Birdenstein)))

>>16775209
Behs

>>16775923
>"Well nobody can live out there so whatever".
He's not wrong

>>16775940
people have been living in space for decades

>>16775927
I would watch sports on the moon or Mars.
Earth sports are maximum faggotry.
Curling is okay.

>>16775806
>Orion service module always looks goofy to me
That's because it's being made of faggot euros.
It's not enough that NASA needs some component made from every damn state. They went and had a whole module made by people that don't even speak English as their first language and have contempt for the USA.

>>16775955
ESM is the only part of Artemis that got delivered on schedule and on budget

>>16775892
Why aren't these guys owned by grumman yet

goodnight

>>16775903
lox and ln2 production for starship

You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive you retarded golem. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway.

>>16776020
kek haven't seen you in a while

>>16775811
>man-rated vehicle (for some reason)
Technically 'man-rated' means 'able to be entered by a man', even through it does not carry crew.

Eg. Progress is man-rated.

>>16775923
fucking sportsball, they all need a free ticket on the B-ark

Tesla CEO compensation package proxy just dropped, last tranche is at 8.5T

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000110465925087598/tm252289-4_pre14a.htm

>>16776062
>to retain and incentivize Mr. Musk
What's he gonna do, quit?

>>16776066
Yeah, he's been looking for an excuse to leave the publicly traded company and focus on private owned ones where he has more freedom.

>>16775437
good recommendation. great source for learning about past present and future spehs

>>16776066
yes? or at least not run it as a CEO anymore, focusing on other things

>>16776066
xAI may run robot unit

>>16776070
Yeah those bastard shareholders are absorbing valuable ai goon time

Succesful launch at 02h34 UTC of CZ-3C/YZ-1 carrying Shiyan 29 from Xichang LC-2

>>16776099
>Shiyan 29 was developed by the Microsatellite Innovation Institute of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS). It is primarily used to conduct space environment monitoring and related technology testing. The satellite utilizes the proven SECM3000 high-reliability satellite platform

>After completing 10 launches in the first half of the year, the model team took advantage of the gap between missions to further accelerate rocket production preparations and upgrade ground-based test, launch, and control equipment, fully preparing for a continued high-density launch in the second half of the year. The model used the new-generation universal ground-based test, launch, and control system for the first time. Through equipment integration and system function consolidation, this system can reduce the amount of ground-based test, launch, and control equipment at the launch site by more than half.

Xichang probably will return to the same ~2/month launch rate of the first half of the year.

I'm gonna cum.

https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1963947340189872501
>And Galactic Energy reports launch success of their 21st Ceres-1 rocket at 11:39 UTC, deploying 3 satellites for various customers and also launched their 2nd in-orbit payload hoisting platform named (yes, at least it's for the asteroid) "Eros".

>>16776062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVMph8Oxnb0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVMph8Oxnb0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V7iuMrno64

when are we getting a movie about elon or spacex? there's got to be dozens of amazing movies that they can make.

>>16775947
>first broadcast sports event from the poles of Mars
>Curling heated stones across the sublimating dry ice of the ice caps
someone get me an AI image of this event, stat!

lotta china shilling in here rn....

>>16776109
Render of the Eros/Àishénxīng platform.
The description says it's derived from the Ceres S4 but it looks nothing like it (on the right)

>>16775940
Yeah he is, just bring some air and food.

>>16776153
blimey

>>16776099
Sexy rocket but would it kill China to do more custom liveries, or at least change up the color scheme. They have about 284 different rockets, all of which are the same white and blue and red facsimile

https://news.sciencenet.cn/htmlnews/2025/9/550914.shtm
CNSA's Asteroid impact study mission (DART+HERA equivalent) still planned, launch in 2027

>>16775812
I didn’t realize the main engines on this thing were the RCS blocks from the Apollo CSM

>>16776153
I feel like it was 200 just recently, then suddenly it was 300 and now it's already 500

>>16776168
I swear anons were wondering what's the point of Falcon 9 anymore @ 200 launches.

>>16776168
They’ve accelerated Falcon 9 launches so quickly recently that if you look at total launches ever performed by SpaceX, the first Starship launches from just a couple of years ago now sit firmly in the middle of their portfolio

What's the point of going here when you cna never smoke another cigarette in your life?

>>16776173
I quit 2 months ago, I'm good.

>>16776173
I'm sure smoking cigarettes will be among the vices permitted to counter the existential despair. It's like an arctic oilfield job in the extreme and you know how those guys are.

>>16776173
this guy clearly didn't watch the second season of For All Mankind.

>>16776173
>when you can never partake of the jew stick
okay goy

>>16776173
We will have a smoking room with tobacco pipes. It will be a large study with a dedicated air scrubber and books and perhaps a bar with guinness beer and bourbon

What will the /sfg/ KSA server be like?

>>16776173
I've never seen this version of the image before. Can you sauce it please?

>>16776173
Cigarette usage is at an all time low in the US, so I'm guessing you're a third worlder.

>>16776165
They need to know asteroid properties too before planetary defense is actually possible
Why are they smashing shit into rocks of unknown composition

>>16776191
I'm going to figure out how to mod La Cucaracha as a horn on my space ships

>>16776192
It's this one but with the atmo made more vibrant.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54538337323_5a3dda0d89_h.jpg

>>16776191
We build a dyson sphere around the Earth to keep everybody else from leaving.

>>16776192
is that supposed to be Urf in the sky?

>>16776191
We're going to find out if Kessler syndrome is real

>>16776114
Wait until moon landing plus 20 years

>>16775307
QI makes falsifiable predictions about the thrust produced by tape outgassing in space

>>16776211
not if we install the powdered sugar mod

>>16775327
Can anyone tell me what this post says?
Please post a vocaroo so I can listen to it

So is Jared hopping back on the Polaris Program grind or…?

>>16775643
It's actually called "ore ore sagi."

>>16776114
there was one out not too long back. 'New Space' by frontier films. had a lot about spacex if i remember it.

>>16776249

honestly insane people still doubt spaceX to this day and continue moving the goalpost every time

>>16776249
>>16776279
Selection bias of things they actually succeeded in doing, while ignoring things they attempted but failed at:
>You're never gonna recover an F1 first stage using parachutes
Never did.
>You're never gonna recover a falcon 9 second stage
Never did.
>You're never gonna make Falcon 9 fully and rapidly reusable
Never did.
>You're never gonna make Starship upperstage fully and rapidly reusable
You are here.
See how easy that is?

>>16776290
here we go

>>16776290
in all of these cases they didn't do it because they switched to a better idea

>>You're never gonna recover an F1 first stage using parachutes
switched to a larger rocket and recovered it using propulsive landing. turns out this is way better than parachutes! parachutes add way more complexity compared to just using the engine the rocket already has to land it.

>>You're never gonna recover a falcon 9 second stage
they (rightly) determined that full reuse for a medium lift rocket is pointless and started starship development

>>>You're never gonna make Falcon 9 fully and rapidly reusable
same as above

>>16775154 (OP)
I see a lot of comment about China winning the "moon race"
And they might land a human on the moon in 2030.
This is where SpaceX was 5 years ago.

>>16776294
The better idea they are already switching to with starship is having disposable single use upper stages. See HLS.

>>16776299
They're not switching to expendable upper stage for starship. They're only doing it for HLS because musk doesn't care about the moon and nasa doesn't care about reuse.

eta on the real Starship 2.0?

>>16776298
SpaceX has to go from a (barely) functional orbital rocket to perfecting full and rapid reuse, long term fuel storage, engine relight after mny weeks in space, and lunar landing/takeoff in only 4 years. Starship will be EXTREMELY unforgiving on landing due to it's very tall shape.

>>16776315
that's starship 0.5

>>16776320
Yeah I know.
But you're all thinking they didn't think about it yet.
Let's take the first concern, Orbital refueling.
They have a plan.

Sean Duffy

https://www.nasa.gov/podcasts/houston-we-have-a-podcast/advancing-nasa/


Skip to around 12:45 if you don't care for his early life.

>>16776320
Or maybe think about it this way.
They wouldn't keep doing test launches if they weren't confident Fuel transfer could be done.

>>16776333
he's a stupid dumbass boot kisser. His recent NASA town hall was awful

>>16776320
It's tall but the center of gravity isn't high because engines are heavy.
It's more stable than it looks.

>>16776334
The primary reason for the long test launch campaign is to retain investor confidence. Even if theythought starship waas a doomed project they would still do test launches.

>>16776341
Ok, keep smoking Anon.
The whole fucking company would have to be in on the scam.
Same thing as UN hiding flat ERF.

>>16776340
also spacex control guys are actual wizards

>>16776346
Why does everything have to be black and white with you? It's like you are a baby, please try to think with some nuance. The company is not a scam and I never said it is, but Musk is a genius showman and that's the most important thing he brings to SpaceX. He is fuelling Starship development by using his powers of investor hype. That incudes creating spectacular shows for investors to watch. The whole long test launch campaign approach is extremely expensive and may ultimately even take longer than just waiting until everything is ready. There is a reason nobody else does it like this, and no it's not just because they are incompetent. ULA would love to get away with the same shit if they could. The trick is that despite SpaceX having spent at least a billion on wasted launch vehicles, they have generated way more than that in funding rounds because of Musk's unique ability to hype.

>>16776357
>The whole long test launch campaign approach is extremely expensive and may ultimately even take longer than just waiting until everything is ready
hurr fuckin durr nigger how are they going to get anything finished without testing it? let's just sit around and twiddle our thumbs while our infinitely recursive FEA program runs, look how well that turns out every time for [ NASA / Blue Origin / ULA / BoLockMartGrummL3Harris / etc. ]
>inb4 'waaah that's not what I meant'
then fucking say what you mean, retard.

>>16776357
Are you supposed to eat that thing sideways? Pull pieces off and eat by hand? What food even is that?

>>16776290
actual retard

>>16776366
tater spiral, no?

>>16776357
>>16776370
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_potato

>>16776370
>>16776372
Never seen one of those in person, closest was when I made potato hasselbacks.

>>16776361
?
The primary usefulness of the Starship test program is that it's trained up the ground crews so they can hit the ground running when the vehicle is eventually finished. Other than that, wasting billions on launches is not going to bring V3 raptor any closer, and without V3 raptor the vehicle is practically useless.

>>16776209
Nope it's Deimos

It's a reality that, if nothing big happens with regard to space in the next 5 years, it'll become an official position that the moon landings never happened and engineers will start getting rounded by as politicians start wearing crowns and demanding daughters and gold as tribute. It doesn't matter the echochamber the aeronautics community has built around itself. All it takes is one powerful person grabbing the opportunity and we're back to reed lights and court jesters. So it cannot be stressed as to the importance of the scientific community actually accomplishing something rather than just talking about it.

>>16776384
I'm going to start punching people who question the moon landings irl. I don't care anymore and I have nothing left to lose by doing this. Fuck you.

>>16776384
I've been saying it for years that one of the foundational beliefs of the new world order will be if you think America or China landed on the moon first. If China lands first then the entire proletariat of Asia and the third world plus MAGAstanis in the west will swear blind that the OG moon landings were faked all along and use it as ammo to say how evil the west is for lying.

I don't even like discussing moon landing conspiracy adjacent stuff because it gets me so angry. It's the most important achievement humans have done.

>>16776386
Anon, don't misunderstand. I wholly believe that we have landed people on the moon. But the last manned moon landing was 53 years ago. It might as well be in a story book next to the dragon and the wizard.
We slid backwards because the politicians only cared about missiles and money in their pockets. The golden age of exceptionalism fizzled out decades ago. You had the dreams of space and the future, and those murals have been long painted over. Where once were bright colors and space colonies, you now have brutalism and beige. You had things like Epcot just get dismantled from "a vision of the future" into brand maximization. The term "late stage capitalism" is kicked around, but we're there. I have doubts as to if there's a single country on the planet with a functioning nuclear program because there was money to be made defunding everything and pocketing the difference.
So, back to my point, it's very important that something happens within the next 5 years.

>>16776396
Yes, that's why I'm going to start hitting people in the face. We don't disagree anon, good luck in the new feudal age.

>>16776384
No, that will be your position in your head. No one other than absolutely losers give a shit about playing the attention whoring games of moon truthers.

>>16776357
>Musk is a genius showman
>Musk's unique ability to hype
Never saw that in the DSM as an autistic trait. Wonder if maybe he's lying about that to cover up something else?

https://earth.nullschool.net/
it is a nice planet we have.

>>16776408
>Wonder if maybe he's lying about that to cover up something else?
If you know you know.

>>16776406
This has nothing to do about "moon truthers", Anon. This is a concern about it becoming a generally accepted thing. Because it's been 53 fucking years and, for most, there's been no visible progress. Oh, they claim to shoot a tin can into deep space every few years. Fucking wonderful. Woohoo.
All it takes is one loud voice saying "these fuckers have been bamboozling us for decades" and you get to watch everything get defunded. No more free ride for NASA and friends at best, being chased out of the country somewhere down the curve of outcomes, and all knowledge being burned and forever along with their bodies at worst.
So the consequences of not doing something meaningful within the span of a human lifetime with regard to space ranged from "no more catering" to "getting cornholed with a hunting knife and dumped in a burn pit".

>>16776411
Wind is a fucking prick and I disapprove of it in general.

>>16776414
>All it takes is one loud voice saying "these fuckers have been bamboozling us for decades"
All it takes is one fist to bloody that cunt's nose.

>>16776414
can't ever happen. shut up

>>16776414
This is why I feel a natural intense dislike for theoretical physicists like ed witten. The guy has spent his entire career lost in the weeds of advanced math writing unfalsifiable nonsense rather than doing something useful. Basically may as well be a black welfare queen and his work may as well be science fiction. Too many are like this, and without useful advances the whole science industry will end up being seen as a scam by the public.

>>16776375
raptor 3 wouldn't have given them any information about the booster downcomer not handling high AoA maneuvers
the forward flap redesign is entirely divorced from what engines the ship has
every reentry is another chance to test heat shield tiles
you're an absolutely incredible specimen of mental disability if you think upgrading to raptor 3 is magically going to give them a completely functional fully rapidly reusable vehicle, or that the test campaign isn't vitally important to ironing out literally every other aspect of the booster and ship; how do you even remember to breathe when you're that stupid?

>>16776414
Who cares what the losers think?

the LORD himself has endowed me with divine intellect, making me greater that the LORD himself.

>>16776480
Not possible, I hope you get AIDS Mr. Thiel!

>>16776414
>becoming a generally accepted thing
i didn't read the rest of your post, but this is unironically alarming and so annoying lol, just ask your family, friends, coworkers, anyone you know, and a good chunk of them will deny, or at the very least doubt the moon landings ever happened lmao

>>16776486
70% of people in Russia think the moonlandings were faked.
At this point it's an uphill battle because "why can't we go back now" is a valid question which requires a lot of explaining. Most people who believe we went actually do it through pure ignorance even less informed than the moon hoaxers. They casually belive that humans visit the moon all the time.

>>16776497
And 0% of russians make an impact on advancing the human species, so maybe their cromagnon beliefs don’t matter

>>16776497
>Most people who believe we went actually do it through pure ignorance even less informed than the moon hoaxers. They casually belive that humans visit the moon all the time.
Quit smoking crack. That humans are still visiting the moon is a more plausible belief than the whole thing being staged.

I am staying, don't look for me.

>>16776513
This isn’t how it looks IRL, by the way

>>16776514
I need fiduciary marks laser engraved on my retina

>>16776514
Show how it looks pls.

Them thinking we go to the moon all the time is better than not believing humans didn't go there at all

>>16776511
What I'm saying is the moon hoaxers have done at least the bare minimum of finding out that humans presently do not visit the moon, which is better informed than others.

>>16776511
>>16776518
That's the spirit. We don't need results or replication to solidify the position of something. We only need faith.

The first human on the moon will be Jessica Watkins and she will land in July 2027 btw. They'll announce Apollo was a hoax after she plants the flag.

stop it stop it stop it stop even tangentially discussing it stop stop
it infuriates me

"Van Allen belts"

>>16776531
Fu Qju will be the first on the moon, small step for ywellow man, impossible for white man

>>16776539
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>16776541
Quote from astronaut vaporised by the Van Allen belts

>>16776539
Van Allen belts not Van Allen Dyson Sphere mind you

>>16776544
After Komarov got fried in the Van Allen belt no-one has tried to venture beyond LEO

>>16776557
radiation in space is a myth

/sfg/ has always hand waved radiation but true or false it would, at least, be unwise to spend extended times in high-radiation environments. You want to try and get out of concentration zones around Earth and fly quickly through them, you want to cover your habitat with regolith to block a fraction of incoming radiation, etc. I know it's not a mission killer, but /sfg/ seems to act like it doesn't even exist in any meaningful format? Doesn't seem completely right

Isaacman on Shawn Ryan show soon, here's a preview.

Don't read the comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q_YVEdbO6c

>>16776571
define high-radiation environments (HINT: the van allen belts are not high radiation)

>>16776576
>Shawn Ryan
?

>>16776571
The radiation can be discharged by the right kind of satellite.
And then there are the shining examples of Dunning-Kruger who think that would be an environmental crime equivalent to burning the rain forests to do this. Nothing needs it to be there, and all you have to do is turn off the satellite and it will fill back up with crap in a few months.

>>16776577
For the record Im not some sort of moon-landings-are-fake "debunker," but I have always been told that the Apollo trajectories intentionally minimized time spent in the van allen belt, thus I have always been under the impression that it is indeed a factor that needs to be mitigated

What does /sfg/ think of Apollo18?
For me it's fantastic. Really sells the psychological horror of being alone on the Moon, and it's actually a brilliant portrayal of the Apollo LEM and CSM as far as movies go. For some reason normies seem to hate it because they think the premise is absurd or something. These are the same guys who fall hook line and sinker for movies with ghosts and shit, so idk what the big deal is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmIx7H7yjaY

>>16776588
how is middle school going

>>16776588
idk I haven't seen it

>>16776589
First watched it at that age but that was a decade ago. I still think it's good. Get yourself checked for anal warts btw becuase that kind of snark could indicate that you are a homosexual.

Literally trained myself by muscle memory to type out "DoD" here over the last five years and now they are changing the name to dept of war... literally why

>>16776595
Cause it sounds cool

>>16776588
the moon aliens in this are dumb. real moon aliens are probably the little grey niggas or nordics

>>16776595
style over substance is the name of the game for this administration
soon they'll rename the Sea of Tranquility to the Sea of Apollo or something and then dust their hands off and consider it a job well done

>>16776595
Department of War rather than Defence is just bad optics. Not the only instance of this. They seem to openly talk about America as an empire and have contempt and flagrant disregard for their allies. Considering that every sucessful empire in history has a larp ideology which paints them as the good guys, the simplest explanation is that MAGAstani ideology is at least in part created and funded by foreign powers in order to destroy the west from within.

>>16776583
More info on the Van Allen de-zapper satellite architecture pls

>>16776595
Because it's correct and traditional. Department of (((Defense))) is post-WW2 gaslighting.

https://www.war.gov
I hate it

>>16776621
Grim but more importantly cringe

>>16776625
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-restoring-the-united-states-department-war
Actually jk this is the first time I have actually bothered to look up the EO and read the text, and it makes sense

Fuh-Q

>>16776631
Looks reasonable.

what do you guys think of this sphere network idea?

>some extra/ultra terrestrial group has a global AI drone defense grid that wards off or destroys other ayy ships

explains the "why don't they just land on the white house lawn" question. They can't because if they got close they would get zapped by the ball defense grid

>>16776634
He's gung ho on peace through strength, or "walk with a big stick". Someone tell him that includes Starship flying regular cargo and humans to the Moon over China's dinky LM9 and LM10. Starship is both a literal and figurative "big stick"

>>16776638
GET A JOB

>>16776638
Get a job

>>16776638
don't make me sic Mick West on you, boy. Get outta here. We don't take kindly to your type.

>>16776638
You should probably get a job.

>>16776649
mick west is a hack

>>16776653
he has never been wrong, he always stays objective and polite in debate, and sitrep is a very useful tool.
Oh, you don't actually believe in aliens, do you? that's dumber than being a flerf, because if you're a flerf you are actually mentally ill, if you're just a casual "yeah, there are aliens" person you lack critical reasoning which is pathetic

>>16776655
yeah there are aliens and yes I've seen them

>>16776659
Illegal starship welders don’t count

>>16776290
Nigger hands posted this

>>16776663
give me a good, logical reason why aliens couldn't be here.

>>16776667
Because they don't exist anywhere in the galaxy.

>>16776173
>He doesn't want to become the based botanist secretly growing tobacco and rolling cigars to sell or gift to his friends on special occasions

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

>'The turtles and the nudists will have to migrate': SpaceX plan for Starship launches from Florida sparks debate among Space Coast residents
https://www.space.com/space-exploration/human-spaceflight/the-turtles-and-the-nudists-will-have-to-migrate-spacex-plan-for-starship-launches-from-florida-sparks-debate-among-space-coast-residents
https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comments/1n93uq4/florida_residents_dont_all_love_spacexs_plans_for/nck8gr7/

>>16776697
>we are the center of the universe! the heavens revolve around us!
this is how you sound right now.

>>16776701
Where else are they supposed to launch hundreds or thousands times a year?

>>16776701
>Do we really think someone who bought a house in Titusville in 2005 signed up for this?
>Do we think someone who bought a house in Orlando in 2020 signed up for this?

Deal with it or move. You didn't sign up for it back then, but you are aware of it now.

>>16776588
Slop but genuinely fun slop, it's a fun watch.

>>16776705
>"not my problem"

>>16776701
Free SpaceX branded earplugs

>>16776585
>Your Apollo mission does a bootlegger skid around the Inner Belt

"Those crazy Duke Boys at it again!"

>>16776583
> Nothing needs it to be there

Where the Inner Belt turned out to exist was actually where 1950s Colliers Magazine Era space stations planned to be built. That had to change.

ummm actually, io doesn't have lakes because.... because it just doesn't, okay?!

>>16776788
Because of an instinctive preference for a round number in orbit altitude and period, balanced with the ease of reaching a lower orbit.

https://x.com/thejackbeyer/status/1964096294768496917
>Booster 18.3 test article just rolled out of the Starfactory! Awesome first close look at Starship V3 hardware!

>>16776701
Avoiding nighttime launches seems reasonable to me.
There is still room enough for many launches, probably more than will ever be possible.

>>16776315
Painted Starship would look cool

>>16776797
Paint is dead weight. That's why Shuttle tanks went from white to orange.

>>16776514
Yes it is retard
>>16776517
That is how it looks

This isn’t how it looks IRLfag needs to fuck off

>>16776799
Starship solves all mass autism concerns.

>>16776806
If you want to carry paint, carry it as cargo and paint something at the destination.

ISRU paint

>>16776806
>Starship solves all mass autism concerns.
It doesn't, the mass autism is going to be even worse with starship

>>16776811
>a few ounces of methane and oxygen per day
waste of time

>>16776795
Night launches cause less disruption to airline traffic

>>16776812
its true. when it stops blowing up every time and starts carrying payloads, the sub-par performance will mandate a tremendous campaign to delete shit and start replacing steel with lightweight shit, and later starships will be full carbon fiber, like it was supposed to be. the steel is for prototyping, a perfect design that performs reliably is worth the investment in becoming a Mass Avoidance Jew

>>16776816
They'll mill out steel parts and make thinner walls before they ever think about switching to Carbon Fiber, and if they do actually decide to go with carbon fiber they'll probably use it as ribs and stringers instead of the hull surface to keep the thermal gradient the CF has to put up with between hot desert and cryogenic.

When I wake up tomorrow, I better see a completed static fire.

>>16776819
take about 30 xanax to help you achieve your goals

>>16776701
>audible booms
The poor babies.
When I was a kid, I lived in an exurb north of Ft. Sill in Oklahoma, and they did range practice a lot of nights. Not a single boom, but lots of them. There were helicopters too. I got used to it, to the point where it was even a bit comfy.

>>16776797
Steel tempering colors would be more kino.

>>16776816
>carbon fiber
definitely how you get "sub-par" performance

>>16776834
having a window facing the elevated train tracks in Chicago is even worse. Hell, any busy city has worse conditions next to their airport. Silence was never a guarantee, for millions of americans before them. These people can fuck right off with their complaints, they have gone unheard. I wanna hear Trump himself address this one directly by mocking them with lalalala I cant hear you lalala

>>16776797
Fear not: Once they actually start trying to reuse these things and realise that singing the steel to several hundred degrees on reentry is bad for reuse, they will start putting shuttle thermal blankets all over the steel side. It will look magnificent. When they trim off the engine skirt on the bare steel side fir mass savings it will look even cooler.

>>16776841
the ones complaining are going to be mostly lefty boomer women anyhow

>>16775895
I like the idea of using a thermonuclear bomb to make a glass landing pad
It's so stupid and would likely cause more problems than it solves.

"Hey hey!"

>>16776857
Just use a covenant corvette

>>16776858
WOW!

Dvngerously based.

>>16776863
Joined together, glued together, taped together even

>>16776857
Just fire all the engines max thrust (delightfully counterintuitive) and have the flames glass the regolith.

>>16776862
the E.S.A. lander barely worked and was close to being a complete lost cause

>>16776858
WAIT WHAT?!!?!?

>>16776173
in space nobody can hear you vape or chew zin

>>16776588
the real space side of it was pretty well done but the aliens didn't really do much for me. Apollo 11 is better in ever way.

>>16776867
It still gave us one of the coolest photos ever

>>16776667
give the world some good logical evidence that they are is really the way this works.

>>16776877
I’ll be lenient and say yeah at least they were able to diagnose it and find a way to get data back, and it did manage to return photos of one of the most interesting solar system bodies we have.
Cassini-Huygens was a very ambitious mission. Gotta love it

>>16776858
WAIT....THAT'S INSANE!!1

>>16776876
The real place the movie shines is in the setting which is very immersive, and the psychological horror of being trapped on the moon alone and slowly going crazy. They could have executed this without ayys to be fair. A more compelling andrealistic plot would be that the regolith in this partof the moon has strang behaviours and turns your crazy if you inhale it.
>Apollo 11
The gosling movie? Icould never get immersed in that because it's fucking GOSLING playing armstrong. The shooting was too clean and modern, lacked the grain and color pallete of Apollo era film, which Apollo 18 nailed.

>>16776876
The real place the movie shines is in the setting which is very immersive, and the psychological horror of being trapped on the moon alone and slowly going crazy. They could have executed this without ayys to be fair. A more compelling and realistic plot would be that the regolith in this part of the moon has strang behaviours and turns your crazy if you inhale it.
>Apollo 11
The gosling movie? I could never get immersed in that because it's fucking GOSLING playing armstrong. The shooting was too clean and modern, lacked the grain and color pallete of Apollo era film, which Apollo 18 nailed.

>>16776884
>The gosling movie?
nah, thats First Man. i liked that because i'd never seen any of his other movies so it didn't bother me. thought it was really good. But i meant the Apollo 11 movie thats made from only original footage. check it out if you havent seen it. fantastic. settle back with a couple beers or whatever and enjoy. make sure you have good sound.

>>16776889
Oh right, I never knew that existed. I will have to check it out, ty.

>>16776858
I think this guy was in my dream, or at least people were talking about the hey hey guy. Except everyone kept saying it three times like hey hey hey

>>16776890
im jealous you get to watch this for the first time lol

>>16776858
"Back the fuck up!?"

>>16776906
the built in suit garbage chute was a mistake.

USSF's Space Operations Command is under consideration to be renamed to Combat Forces Command
>the name change better reflects the Field Command’s critical responsibility as the Space Force’s proponent for combat space power
>The change also draws a clearer distinction between the U.S. Space Force, a military service, and U.S. Space Command
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/ussf-new-name-space-operations-command-combat-forces/

>Space Operations Command (SpOC) is the United States Space Force's space operations, cyber operations, and intelligence field command
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Operations_Command

>>16776858
> I don't think the Mars landing next year has any legs to stand on
What a knee slapper

>>16776906
Techno Jamestown

>>16776878
You can't be 100% confident that they don't exist without a good reason. No you can't prove a negative, but you also can't confidently assert there are no fish in the ocean without providing a reason why that might be the case.

>evidence
We DO have evidence. Videos, photos, government documents, trace evidence, radar data, Historical reports, corroborated witness reports from credible observers.
Of course none of that counts because you say it doesn't.

Evidence is subjective. always has been. There are plenty of examples of people who have put forward evidence of something only for it not to be accepted as evidence at all until much later. We had evidence of plate tectonics long before it was actually accepted as a theory for example. Look at Reg Sprigg. An entire period of the history of life on earth was overlooked because people wrote off his findings as geological in origin.

>>16776906
This isn’t what it would look like IRL, by the way

>>16776940
How would you know, you've never done zyns

>>16776944
tobacco juul pod to 6mg spearmint zyn tin pipeline

>>16776939
>Reg Sprigg
Back your containment board schizo.

>>16776946
yes the guy who discovered the ediacaran biota. his discovery was widely dismissed as being geological rather than fossils which is what they were.
People were confident that precambrian fossils were impossible at the time. turns out they were wrong.

>>16776949
>the guy who discovered
stopped reading there. just because science gradually changed doesn't mean some schizo was right.

.

>>16776953
NTA but if you want a better example of a schizo actually discovering something that happened to be correct, see Alfred Wegener and his idea of continental drift. Everyone thought he was a huge faggot who was out of his league. Then they just kept finding evidence that showed he was probably right

>>16776953
He was "accidentally right", huh

>>16776953
>He wasn't right even though he was right

???

>>16776939
>none of that counts because you say it doesn't.
no, its because most of it is worthless and at best indicates advanced aircraft of indeterminate origin. much more likely that its manmade, if we even accept any of the usual quality so called evidence. im not saying for 100% there are no aliums here but the case is pathetically weak. its more of a cult belief system than anything else. anyway, this is not the place for more discussion about this. start a new thread here or on /x/ if you're seriously. otherwise, goodbye.

You can't silence the truth forever.

>>16776963
>much more likely that its manmade
people were reporting flying "butane tanks" in the 60's and foo fighters during ww2. you can find historical newspapers reporting as much.

It's not man made

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1964345671210930201
>Super Heavy Booster 15-2 was lifted onto the Starbase pad 1 launch mount this morning for static fire testing scheduled for tomorrow morning.

>>16776983
steady progress

>>16776967
Pilots in WW2 were literally high on meth all the time

>>16776983
how long until this beasty flies again?

>>16776999
2 more weeks + 2 more weeks + 2 more weeks

It's not a cobbled together piece of shit but an actual product. My disappointment is immeasurable.

>>16777008
once again Elon lies on X

>>16776999
need to static fire this, then put the jerry rigged test stand back on the pad to static fire the ship, take it off and then launch
so who knows
two weeks I guess

>>16776998
Meth is the key that unlocks the immaterium

>>16776959
Being right for the wrong reasons is useless
Being wrong for the right reasons is logically defensible.

>>16777030
Second part is cunty but true. Your first assertion is wrong, however

>>16776949
See that [citation needed]? That means he's a schizo.

Still baffles me how NASA sidestepped the existing commercial rockets for Artemis and instead gave the most difficult and commercially undeveloped task to private entities. wtf were they on?

>>16777038
pork - so much corruption and nepotism that it makes the soviet union seem principled and honest by comparison

hey guys I'm going to the store, can you watch to for my lander and make sure it doesn't tip over?

>>16776701
I suppose he's right, rockets should launch elsewhere in the united states that's close to the equator next to an eastward ocean, and there's no people

Fucking idiot. Billions of people, our species can't go space unless it's tiny quiet rockets that can't do shit. Yeah they did sign up for it. If I move next to a volcano or place with a 100 year flood nature will hold me responsible whether I knew about it or not. Rockets aren't supposed to stay below 1960s capability for peace and quiet.

>>16776939
>You can't be 100% confident that they don't exist without a good reason. No you can't prove a negative, but you also can't confidently assert there are no fish in the ocean without providing a reason why that might be the case.

Your default should be null and things probably don't exist until evidence exists. The simple reason being there are more hypotheticals of things that don't exist than do exist.

>>16777050
OH N-

>>16777050
More like in-tipable machines.

>>16777050
anyone have that comic strip version of it landing and falling over? that was good

Guiys why my upload faling

>>16777077
what you uploading? too big? wrong format?

>>16777079
A pic of the navy SEAL delivery vehicle

>>16777080
would have been nice if it wasn't needed so they yoloed it at first

>>16776998
>>16777028
the spice that keeps the universe flowing

>>16777028
DMT

>>16777080
Why didn’t they just do a milk still like Saturn I and raise it off the ground

>>16777080
Thunderf00t proven right again. Meanwhile you idiots were immediately gaslit into thinking that all flame trenches are superfluous and just dug because of muh incompetence.

>>16777090
the tower would have to be insanely tall probably

>spaceflight?
Long March 6A and Starlink launches this morning, but nobody cares.

>>16776998
so they were awake and could judge soundly. The drunk Russian pilots on the other hand...

>>16777097
Being drunk and driving is so fun, imagine how cool it was to fly drunk.

>>16777099
Do drunk driving laws apply on the Moon? I guess NASA and POCKOCMOC and probably CNSA all have “no alcy in space!” rules, but what’s stopping someone like Jared from landing on the Moon in a private Starship and getting plastered and operating a vehicle lowered down to the surface?

>>16777096
It's ok

>>16777083
clearly you've been blocked by the MIB. sorry anon

>>16777106
The what? Some new 4chan cuck ai?

Kingdom of the crystal skull is so retarded… who comes up with this shit?

>>16777096
good

>>16777108
Yeah its called MenINBlack.gpt

Anyone here ever print 3d models of rockets? Which rockets should I print?

>>16777151
whichever one looks the coolest

>>16777155
sure

>>16777061
Can't believe no one made a cartoon of her getting fucked with her legs in the air

>>16777157
gay

>>16777151
make them out of matchsticks and cut up soda cans like a real man

>>16777151
whichever one looks like it will fit perfectly up your ass

>>16777151
Yeah a few years ago, my friend found me one online and printed up a couple for me. Neither were recovered but I didn't really expect my homemade chutes to work all that well anyway.

Oh so you like Titan? Name five Titanean surface features right now.

>>16777175
>Oh so you like Titan?
no, god no
why did you even think that?

So who was the first fucktard that pitched the spaceplane meme at NASA anyway?

>>16777176
post hypnotic suggestions

>>16777175
Doom Mons
Misty Montes
Faramir Colles
Gandalf Colles
Bilbo Colles

>>16777176
It's the only other world with Earth-like conditions on its surface, other than Mars. It has seas and shores, rain and wind, winding river deltas and endless sand dunes. It even has an blue atmsophere and cryovolcanoes. Titan is like a frozen Earth. Instead of rock, it has ice - instead of a magma ocean it has a water ocean. In place of water oceans, it has liquid methane lakes. Instead of magma volcanoes, it has ice volcanoes. It's a world that is almost as active as our own despite being so distant from the warmth of our sun and going through an entirely different evolution. What's not to love about Titan?

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1964404023227822190
>NEWS: SpaceX is challenging Colorado's broadband expansion plan, arguing that it's pouring too much federal funding into fiber projects instead of cheaper satellite alternatives, like @Starlink
>"Colorado proposes awards covering 24% of its locations at average costs exceeding $10,000, over seven times the amount offered by SpaceX,” the company argues.
>SpaceX added: "NTIA should carefully review Colorado's proposal, reject unnecessary and wasteful spending, and require Colorado to recompete these locations to give the Benefit of the Bargain back to the taxpayer and to bring internet to those who need it in months, not years."

>>16777182
Probably the dyna soar team, and also maybe famed LSU grad Max Faget lol

>>16777151
>>16777173
It was so light that it broke in the middle after dropping it once, but I taped it back together and it flew just fine.

Is S38 ready for a SF too?

>>16776814
also beachgoers

UFO hearings in 3 days

Ignoring UFO hearings in 3 days

https://youtu.be/_aVWGT6SVEM
Alien probes have been here all along! Watch this video

>>16777094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8JyvzU0CXU

>>16777175
Selk crater, The dunes, Kraken mare

>>16777187
Excellent decision by NASA to select Dragonfly

>Mr. President, they discovered we butchered innocent North Korean civilians
>Go ramp up the UFO hearings so the schizos have something else to talk about

hello N1?

>>16777226
Goodbye Moon

>>16777193
>A Raptor vacuum engine for Ship 38 moved into MB2, once this is installed Ship 38 should have all 3 Rvacs and 1 of 3 Sealevel Raptors installed.
https://x.com/Flight2Starship/status/1964335678407250014

>>16777226
those attachment points look weak

>>16777230
i'm sure they know what they're doing

V4 engines will fix the payload capacity

>>16777210
lol, the height of that is close to the current Pad A

>>16777230
In trusses we thrust

Ayo anyone know what happened to that US company that was trying to build a hydrogen powered reusable second stage, with the CEO with grey hair????

>>16777240
stoke?

>>16777243
Yes

>>16777240
Stoke Space has a shot of surviving. Two more quarters to orbit.

>>16777230
quick, give them a call. they need all the backseat driver advice they can get.

>>16777248
they should add a little arch there. arches are good.

>>16776955
I take that as an admission that the QI thruster has failed.

>>16777264
It worked, it’s just inconclusive and the error bars are large also IVO may or may not have even turned it on, 50/50

>>16777246
Jordan Peterson.

>>16777226
If the booster was a human it would be a bald guy who has a fetish for getting his bald head pissed on by hookers

>>16777282
jeff bezos?

>>16777278
The tone of his post suggests he knows it was turned on, and yet the change in orbit never happened.

>>16777278
if it works why don't they get Elong to give them a billion dollars to build one with 100x the power?

>>16777289
Challenger I presume

QI is bunk

why not look into electro gravitics instead?

>>16777294
Yup. Distressful sight to behold

>>16777295
>>16777292
>>16777291
>>16777264
How does it feel to be so painfully wrong?

>>16777304
so its broken again for the nth time
what a coincidence

I am once again asking what the FUCK is he waiting for

>>16777283
thats only a rumor

>>16775589
but we don't drop bombs on hospitals and schools

>>16775589
israel's example would be taking all of the mexicans and shipping them to europe so they can rape white women

>>16777188
Elon is becoming just like big ISP... constantly trying to grift and hold people back from getting options for internet

>>16777379
Good, fuck options. Offer Starlink. Idc if it's all you offer. Force troglodytes to buy a starlink subscription even if they don't use internet, the Colony isn't gonna pay for itself

>>16777379
He's right though?

42 billion program to build out fiber infrastructure and no one got connected. It's money laundering

>>16777379
E is pretty suspect when you look at what he does in detail. He has a lot of interests but the one commonality is that every action he takes coincidentally enriches him or brings him more power.. Almost like there is a pattern there.
By the way SpaceX has never sent one of it's craft beyond geosynchronous orbit despite having had the ability to do so for at least 8 years. Completely unrelated fact foryouto mull over, I'm sure there is no relation to what I previously said. I bet Starship will do so many deep space missions beyond Artemis and not just be a Starlink truck.

>>16777393
Well did you expect him to reduce his power and wealth? How would that serve Mars?

E is pretty suspect when you look at what he does in detail. He has a lot of interests but the one commonality is that every action he takes coincidentally enriches him or brings him more power.. Almost like there is a pattern there.
By the way SpaceX has never sent one of it's craft beyond geosynchronous orbit despite having had the ability to do so for at least 8 years. Something to think about. The excuse used to be that SpaceX were tight for cash. Now E is on tack to be the trillion dollar man and he still can't spare the cash lol.

>>16776315
I am thinking work will start on the 18 meter version in 2035. Then the first working version and pad will be ready by the early 2040s.

It will be a simple stainless steel tube though not the complex carbon fiber shape you have in the pic. Like so

>>16777396
how will it fly with no wings?

>>16777398
it has a lifting body

>>16777398
It's not a spaceplane

>>16777396
>MOGGED

>>16777400
>ss goliath

All space ships should have names consisting of 3 or more words.

>>16777403
In Amber Clad

>>16777403
Litany of Fury

The world is waking up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTJOxdeNdVo

>>16777410
kill yourself

>>16777408
Bungie absolutely nailed ship naming

Forward Unto Dawn

>>16777408
>>16777409
Insane how you can just add two words and it makes super generic scifi ship names 100 times better

Wings of Icarus
Fire of Prometheus
etc

>>16777413
Seriously. Sad that they didn't have a space nerd on the team though. The book 'Halo the Fall of Reach' which came out before Halo 1 established that the humans use grounded space tech, with normal orbital mechanics and rotating habitats for artificial gravity. They threw this all away for generic scifi artifical gravity slop.

>>16777414
How did Miranda get another ship after killing her entire old crew? Such a nepo baby.

>>16777417
>generic scifi artifical gravity slop
I'm so sorry to tell you this but artificial gravity slop is probably real

>>16777422
Not saying it's totally impossible, but it would have been a nice contrast seeing the covenant using it but the humans not.
If tech has advanced so much that Mike Mcculoch has been proven right, then why the fuck do the humans still have living infantry running around using 7.62 bullets? For the covenant it makes sense that they misuse their incredibly powerful anti gravity tech, becuase they are basically niggers in space lead by old jews.

>>16777423
If there is even a chance the flying breath mints are real they probably have the ability to manipulate gravity which implies magic gravity slop panels in the floor like star trek

It also means that literally every hard scifi concept from space elevators to dyson spheres are completely pointless and likely will never happen

>>16777423
Artificial gravity doesn't stop bullets

>>16777208
he makes a good point though? communicating directly instead of thru radio signals makes way more sense

I still don't know why it took Landspace 3 months to announce that they had hot fired (half thrust) their 200tf FFSC engine.

>>16777442
Their social media guy is probably some incredibly underpaid intern also doing six other jobs

>>16776386
You won't need to. Buzz will be the last to go by a big margin. Out of sheer spite if anything.

>>16777304
>haha you're wrong!
>no tests
>no proof
You will never accelerate without propellant

>>16777102
Or one of the chemists will make some like in For All MILFkind.

what's the deal with in-orbit refueling?
I get that it technically hasn't been demonstrated, but it seems like it has way fewer technical constraints than any other part of the program. Why are they so afraid of it?

>>16777458
Seems like they’re more just hesitant to actually commit a mission profile to orbit / multiple orbits.

>>16777423
>If tech has advanced so much that Mike Mcculoch has been proven right, then why the fuck do the humans still have living infantry running around using 7.62 bullets
We have supertech by 19th century standards, but we're still using bullets in brass casings.

>>16777458
spaceX *technically* did a in orbit refueling "demonstration" but it wasn't ship to ship. It's really not a problem,

the issue is how many fucking launches is it gonna take to do a moon mission and will it even be practical. We still don't have a definitive answer for that. Estimates are as high as 16 but even if it's 10 or even 6 that seems excessive number of launches just for one mission

>>16777473
SLS is gonna launch like once every 1.5 yrs, I’m sure SpaceX will be fine. They can stretch out 10 launches this long

>>16777473
>if it's 10 or even 6 that seems excessive number of launches just for one mission
Excessive why
If each launch is cheap and easy what's the problem?

>>16777472
and we still will be 40000 years in the future. 1911 forever baby.

>>16777491
even if the rocket is fully reusable and absolutely nothing goes wrong during the entire process, 10 launches is still 52,500 metric tons of propellant
52 million killograms. of liquid fuel and oxydizer. (assuming v3 is used, v4 is even more than that)

that isn't taking into account bleedoff during propload due to holds and scrubs, so the real number is going to be even higher than that. feel free to run the calculations of how much that will cost to buy, if that much is even *available*. They really need a dedicated fuel production factory next to starbase to supply the fuel for that many launches. If they wait too long between launches the fuel in the ship will boil off in space meaning they would need even more launches.

granted it won't be 4 billion or however much SLS launches cost but it's still going to be hugely expensive. Again, assuming everything goes right. I don't doubt spaceX but if anything goes wrong during those 10 flights that results in the target ship being damaged then it's all over and they would need to bring it back to earth and start again, likely having to dump all of the prop in the ship in the process otherwise it will be too heavy to land on the chopsticks.

>>16777499
Oh, I lied. They actually CANT bring back the tanker. it doesn't have a heatshield. either way the fuel would be completely wasted if something goes wrong, and you have at least 11 chances for that to happen, maybe more.

>>16777499
Think of the data they'll gain from losing a tanker
The mind boggles

>>16777522
I don't expect them to lose the tanker. I'm just saying it's something to factor into the potential cost. all things considered, they are quite good at docking with ISS so this really shouldn't be a problem.

*Shouldn't be*

we'll see.

>>16777424
If it ever got to the point where constructing some of those was possible just inefficient, there's still a point to building at least one of each. Just seeing them exist is enough reason.

>>16777499
>we still will be 40000 years in the future
The 911.M2 model slug thrower is a typical sidearm of officers of the Imperial Guard

>>16777424
Hard sci fi invariably turns out to be bullshit because it's inherently limited to its time.
Nobody correctly predicted in fiction the way the moon landings actually worked.

>>16777503
Tanker is a cheap disposable upper stage produced in volume. If one fails, the next one is going up Tuesday. That's the least risky part of this plan.

>>16777535
true but also space elevators would be really cool to see in person and it's a shame that we probably won't ever make one because you can just build a massive mile wide super cargo ship with tictac tech and bring effectively infinite mass to orbit.

>>16777539
there is nothing risky about the plan, I'm saying it's going to be fairly expensive regardless and losing a tanker with 1000 tons of fuel on board because the fuel transfer port is stuck shut and can't be fixed would really really suck

>>16777541
>Tanker is expensive

Tanker is just a drop tank with cheap rocket engines. The unit cost should drop to the single millions per. That scenario is far less expensive that loading everything up on one SLS+ and sending it up that way.

>>16777535
I love early pulp scifi for this reason.
Read Heinlein's "Blowups Happen" or the one about 60+mph treadways.

>>16777535
>reading sci-fi book from pre-80s
>the ship computer literally prints out a printout
it can be funny

>>16777546
you need to go back and read my posts because you seemed to have missed the point entirely
>far less expensive that loading everything up on one SLS
I literally said that already.

The shear amount of prop needed for all of these flights is still going to cost a ton. the more launches it takes the worse that is going to be. and if anything goes wrong it gets even worser. Losing the tanker is the worserest of worse. It would mean losing millions of dollars worth of propellant

>>16777550
Tanker isn't a spaceship. Tank is a drop tank that goes into space. And you need to do some reading on marginal costs.

I was promised a future of La Serenissimahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4FrnrD7jCA
I cry