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sage No.16775745 >>16775992 >>16776438 >>16776752 >>16777063 >>16777127 >>16777938
Can things receding from each other faster than 1c exchange information?
Anonymous No.16775752 >>16775754 >>16775771 >>16776500 >>16777127
Things can't move away from each other faster than 1c.
Anonymous No.16775754 >>16775756 >>16775759 >>16775972 >>16776824 >>16777036
>>16775752
what if one thing is moving 0.6c in one direction, and the other thing is moving 0.6c away from it in the opposite direction?
Anonymous No.16775756
>>16775754
It's still 0.999...c
Anonymous No.16775759 >>16776292
>>16775754
Nta but assuming the information you're sending is light then it's still moving at 1c towards the craft moving away from the signal sender, so it will catch up eventually. Light moves at 1c regardless of the speed that its source is moving at.
The signal will just be redshifted.
Anonymous No.16775771
>>16775752
Space is expanding. Achilles never catches the Tortoise.
Anonymous No.16775972
>>16775754
If you're moving at 0.6c you experience time dilation and length contraction which makes everything move slower (in your reference frame)
Anonymous No.16775992
>>16775745 (OP)
97% of the observable universe is receding FTL, so yes
Anonymous No.16775993 >>16775997 >>16775999 >>16777039
>Can things receding from each other faster than 1c exchange information?
Not new information no. If light left one galaxy now it would never catch up to the other distant galaxy. But observers in each galaxy could still see the other galaxy through a telescope, but this light would have been emitted billions of years earlier. In the past the universe was less expanded and so the recession velocity was lower in the past, also the galaxy was closer to us. During the time when the recession velocity was less than c the galaxy emitted light that we continue to see today.
Anonymous No.16775997
>>16775993
>In the past the universe was less expanded
which is why after about 10 bn ly away galaxies start to look bigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSJtzn2H3Do
Anonymous No.16775999
>>16775993
So we can never observe things receding from us faster than 1c, we can only infer that they do, assuming things continued on the trajectory they were at before they slipped beyond the information horizon
Anonymous No.16776292 >>16776421
>>16775759
is it possible for a signal to be redshifted to the point that it doesn't exist, or does it just get infinitely weaker as the source approaches 1c receding from you?
Anonymous No.16776421
>>16776292
That's kind of what cosmic background radiation desu
Anonymous No.16776438 >>16776821
>>16775745 (OP)
It would be extremely painful.
Anonymous No.16776500 >>16776820
>>16775752
Space-time literally expands faster than c you idiot.
Anonymous No.16776752 >>16776827
>>16775745 (OP)
>tfw you will never life 90 lightyears away from earth to watch and listen Hitler speeches
Feels bad man :(
Anonymous No.16776820
>>16776500
Inferred, not observed
Anonymous No.16776821
>>16776438
for you
Anonymous No.16776824 >>16777040
>>16775754
high school physics should a prerequisite for use of this board.
Anonymous No.16776827
>>16776752
sadge :(
Anonymous No.16777036
>>16775754
[math]
\dfrac{v_1+v_2}{1+ \frac{v_1 \cdot v_2}{c^2}}
[/math]

0.882352941c
Anonymous No.16777039 >>16777286
>>16775993
It sounds like the Universe is all done and we just don't know it yet.
But thanks to Hubble, we will never find out.
Phenomenonologically speaking, the infinite, steady-state Universe is therefore confirmed.
Anonymous No.16777040
>>16776824
As should graduate degrees in logic, but what are you gonna do about it, Timmy?
Anonymous No.16777063
>>16775745 (OP)
only control obsessed psychos want this to be true
Anonymous No.16777127 >>16777943
>>16775745 (OP)
sure just send the information faster than c

>>16775752
proof?
Anonymous No.16777286 >>16777300
>>16777039
>Phenomenonologically speaking, the infinite, steady-state Universe is therefore confirmed.
Nope. Still in conflict with observations. There were many more active galaxies and star formation in the past, which show galaxies evolve, inconsistent with steady-state.
Anonymous No.16777300 >>16777948
>>16777286
All snowglobes lead to steady states, Anon. No matter how hard you shake them.
Anonymous No.16777938
>>16775745 (OP)
Our current models say no they can't
Anonymous No.16777943
>>16777127
using alpha radiums?
Anonymous No.16777944
the issue anon is that the responsive limit for our observation caps at below c and so children can not accurately discern between the speeds higher than c
Anonymous No.16777948 >>16777953 >>16777956 >>16778109
>>16777300
Not in an expanding universe. Under standard cosmology the universe will continue to expand forever, the density of matter will always decrease. Star formation will eventually stop and stars will die off. The universe will tend to the heat death.
Steady state is the specific hypothesis that expansion is offset by matter creation. It is not just any cosmology which tends to some steady state. The density of matter is constant and galaxies should be the same at all time, which is violated by observational data.
Anonymous No.16777953
>>16777948
>Not in an expanding universe.
Your point is moot. We are in a steadystate snowglobe and you're just waiting for photons that might never arrive.
And yet you keep thinking that if I shake harder, bigger loops, faster speeds, . . .
Next time, you'll try even harder.
Universal Halting Problem.
Anonymous No.16777956 >>16777960
>>16777948
>Steady state is the specific hypothesis that expansion is offset by matter creation.
Shakey, shakey.
Anonymous No.16777960 >>16777965
>>16777956
>>Not in an expanding universe.
>Your point is moot. We are in a steadystate snowglobe
Nope. Steady state cosmology is also expanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_model
Anonymous No.16777965
>>16777960
>snowglobe is biggening
Light is slowing, growing old, cooling off, that's all. Needs more shakey.
Anonymous No.16778109 >>16778625
>>16777948
Steady state and eternally expanding are 100% compatible
Anonymous No.16778625
>>16778109
I didn't say it wasn't. The problem is that galaxies are observed to evolve with redshift, which is incompatible with steady state.