Thread 16776578

Why victims of bullying don't fight back and mostly submit to their bully? What's the survival mechanism that enables such reaction?

>>16776578 (OP)
Counterpoint: why don't the just stop being a fucking faggot ass bitch

>>16776578 (OP)
Tower of Babel. There are layers to what people call bullying. At the lowest layer, it's everyone's right to beat their own bully to death. At a higher layer, it's the Magna Carta. At a higher layer, it's everyone's right to beat their own bully to death.

>survival mechanism
Bullying is essential to make people not faggots.

Because dueling is illegal.

>>16776578 (OP)
>Why victims of bullying don't fight back and mostly submit to their bully?
Because the bully carefully picks a person who actually cannot retaliate (otherwise the former would be at risk of serious harm or death).

>Bullying is essential to make people not faggots.
Bullying is essential to produce school shooters and various insane and dysfunctional adults. But Americans never learn.

>>16776578 (OP)
We need bullies. But not for some warped idea of keeping victims inline, but as a form of forced evolution. If the bullied can find a way to covertly dispatch their bully, then that is evidence of the fact that they possess a superior intellect.

>>16776582
>it's everyone's right to beat their own bully to death
This should just be universal law.

>>16776618
Why is it so hard for you to stop thinking about faggotry, anon?

Bullying is simply trying to lower someone's standing in a community. Bullying is meant to harm and embarress and establish dominance over others. It's extremely detrimental to society. Anybody whose gone to a high-school can tell you this. It causes major problems. Many victoms don't fight back bc they don't want problems or at risk of being hurt worse. Sooooooooo they put up with it. It's a relic of when humans lived in tribal socities and it was normal to bully the weakest members of the tribe. That instinct still survives in some humans.

>>16776696
>>16776686
>>16776582
>ending bullies

Playful low-end bullying is normal and innocent. What breaks the kids is when their parents are slavers. They can never backtalk as this constitutes the worst offense of all. They will of course still do this because it's in the human nature. They are born to work according to the will of their master. Parents have absolute power over their children.
This clash of the child's inner sense of justice and need for harmony with the brute reality of power and control then drains it of all energy.
It's systemic all or nothing response (attack under self destruction) also fails because the parent will make sure to make living conditions increasingly worse as the child's protest increases.
It will then fail socially and professionally.

>>16776578 (OP)
I would fight back, subsequently win, and then get framed as the bully by some tattle-tale, and then end up getting scolded by adults.
This cycle, leading to adults basically taking away my ability to stand up for myself, damaged me far worse than bullying ever could.

>>16776578 (OP)
>6/7 people are having fun
>this needs to stop

>>16776741
Bullying from parents is the worst form of bullying since the victim still trust them and deeply believe what happens to him/her is right.

>>16776578 (OP)
Selection bias. Bullies pick easy targets.

>>16776618
Bullying turns people into faggots

>>16776578 (OP)
Humans are social pack animals. As an individual, I seek out those similar to me. Once there are two of me in my group we begin accepting more into the group. If I notice you demonstrate behavior consistent with and good for my group, you are rewarded by being granted an invitation to my group, and may even be allowed in my group. This can be as subtle as how you handle small talk and bants. If I notice you are not a fit for my group, I will ignore you.

However if my group and fifteen other groups have all deemed you unfit for our respective groups, we mutually understand that the problem is not merely that you are unfit to be in any of our groups. Instead we recognize you as a problem, and will signal to other groups that we have noticed this problematic behavior by proving you are not a member of our group. You see, if you're a problem and you're in my group then we're a problem as well and I cannot have that.

Sometimes the band of rejects gather and make it easier to classify who the unfit are. I may feel bad for you, and you may be unfit for reasons outside of your control. But that's not my problem and I will not make it my problem either.

This is why in olden times only the retards, I'm talking the ones who spastically slammed their hand to their chest were bullied. In the millennial generation there were socially maladjusted people (now just downies, but sheltered aspies due to old genX parents) who got ostracized (i.e. most of 4chan 30+ oldfags). Today, most of genZ is absolutely fucked in the head and I don't even understand what behaviors they penalize. Then again almost none of them have friends in the first place (no, online doesn't count), so it's like they're bullying themselves kek

>>16776578 (OP)
Because victims fear getting in trouble if they fight back. In schools where bullyin occurs, there are many that take "punish all involved" when victims fight back. And at the same time, when only the victim is hurt (for not fighting back), then the schools ignore the bullying and hide it.

So victims dont have the full game theory working for them. They need to understand that you can only stop a bully by slitting their throats, stabbing their stomach, and stabbing their eyes/ears where its the most vulnerable. So what if you go to jail? The alternative is you get to the hospital instead of the bully.

>>16776578 (OP)
Some do, but it’s so rare that it shocks the world.

>>16776965
He wasn't a victim of anything, he was rich and overprivileged.

>>16776968
Be that as it may, a vast majority of people on this planet cheer for what Luigi did.
I’m not saying it’s right, but it is what it is.

>>16776578 (OP)
they want a reason to shoot up their school

>>16776971
Why isn't it right? It's not legal and if you do it, you should suffer the law. But how else do you pierce a corporate veil? My point is that he wasn't a victim so the analogy doesn't apply.

>>16776971
>vast majority
I don't think these words mean what you think they mean

>>16776984
That is your opinion, but a bully and the bullied are only a perception. I’d say most people view themselves as being bullied by elites and they cheer for crazy Luigi for fighting back against their bully. Luigi is only a man.

>>16776989
The OP asked why victims of bullying don't often fight back against their bullies. He wasn't a victim and didn't fight back against his bully. He was a rich boy who attached himself to a cause. That has nothing at all to do with the thread.

>>16776992
>He wasn't a victim and didn't fight back against his bully
That is an opinion

>>16776994
It's not. It's a fact that he had no rejected claim and wasn't being bullied by anyone related. Whatever you're adding to that fact is the opinion.

>>16776997
Most people disagree with your opinion, which makes your opinion invalid. That is how opinions work.

>>16777003
What opinion?

>>16776989
>a bully and the bullied are only a perception
This is some really disgusting gaslighting. If someone keeps punching you in the back of the head, there's a bully, a bullied, and a perception. If you read something about someone else being bullied on the internet, there's only a perception.

>>16777005
Your opinion that Brian Thompson was not a bully and that Luigi Mangione could not possibly perceive himself being bullied along with millions of others. It’s a perception, albeit an incorrect one.

>>16777018
None of that is my opinion.

>>16776578 (OP)

We should go back to good old blood and thunder "give me your dinner money" style bullying.

The isreali style passive aggressive faggotry and then crying victim is just not the same.

Also the reason why the OP is so keen to use the word "submit" is that its common vocabulary in the childhood lexicon (homework and such) which makes it very useful for noncey doublespeak grooming.

>>16776746
you should have beat up the adults too

>>16776578 (OP)
Victim of bullying embraces the slave mentality, which is detrimental to a group to maintain their survival and autonomy(ego) by respect and rewards.
The slave mindset lacks all self respect, therefore will accept to be shoved in any direction without negotiate for support, cannot see through lies, will not fight for oneself or anyone else, will give in to any threat and punishment, will work and cooperate no matter what, will work harder for punisher than supporter. This is a clear internal threat that will always open door for outsiders and let everyone else in the group accept worse outcome.

>>16776578 (OP)
Because bullying is a show of social dominance. The bully picks someone who most of their peers will see as an acceptable target, and all of them together participate in this packing ritual to elevate their own status.
>Look, this person is so weak and pitiful! We are so much better than them!
Bullies are not losers, they're winners. Bullies are socially competent and well-enmeshed into their social group. Bullies are protected both by their peers and often by the authorities (teachers, in the case of school), because they simply inhabit a higher social ranking than their target. Victims of bullying don't fight back both because they ARE weak, and because they have to fight the entire social group rather than any one person

>>16777331
To the extent that this is true, it justifies those who righteously even the playing field.