>>16782422
>But now you're confusing abstractions with reality. Two spatially/temporally separated fires are two distinct instances of the same abstraction.
of-course. same as someone who dies and comes back to life. plenty such cases in science, happens constantly.
the problem is when you imply some kind of identity is lost when the fire stops and resumes in a different place, using the same fuel as it were.
the way I understand it is people with religious beliefs, who think every human has some kind of unique soul different from other humans, they think this "soul" gets somehow lost, and another new soul comes into that body, and this new soul has no idea it has taken the place of the previous soul. it's a logical fuckup, an inevitable wrong conclusion when they're working with the wrong premises.
all of this "philosophical" theater is meant to protect the concept of the religious soul, trying everything possible to make it consistent with certain though experiments, but will inevitably fail, as they are working with the wrong premises.
they desperately hold on to the cohesion of those atoms, as preserving some unique id soul in that body, which is absolute nonsens. it's not even science, it's some desperate attempt at "making it work". their prerogative is maintaining the consistency of their beliefs in the face of logic and science, they are working the other way around as science normally does, they decided on the conclusion and must find ways of making it work, culminating with avoiding answering obvious questions because there's no other logical move that does that.
