Thread 16779570

https://www.nature.com/nature-index/research-leaders/2025/institution/all/all/global

Is it joever?

>>16779570 (OP)
Nature has been financially captured for at least a decade, has been laundering junk tier climate models for longer than that, and destroyed whatever was left of its reputation in 2020 with the famous face-saving bullshit about Covid spontaneously evolving from pangolin soup or whatever. Yes, Nature as a credible publishing institution is long, long over.

You can literally see how much Harvard got gimped
Trump is the biggest retard on planet earth

>>16779599
Trump was the autopen running the Biden admin in 2024? Interesting theory. I can't disprove it.

Good riddance.

Literally the fault of libertarians and their long-running project of cutting everything so Elon Musk can keep more money.

>>16779570 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ThmXNw1is

>>16779570 (OP)
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02852-x

>>16779570 (OP)
I don't know the rest of those Chinese schools, but I worked with a post-doc who did his PhD at Tsinghua in physical chemistry. Dude was an absolute fucking wizard. No idea if he was just an outlier, or if that's a typical repres of their PhD grads in their mol-bio/physical chemistry program.

>>16779657
It is obviously a bit of selection effect, a dude from a country of 1.4 billion people who made it into a top Chemistry program in public university, then doing a postdoc abroad in the US will obviously be more capable than your run of the mill grad students. But again, the bulk of STEM students from China is definitely of higher quality than the bulk of STEM students produced by US educational institutions.

How come Chinese zoomers don't fry their brains on video games and social media?

>>16779684
the great chinese firewall keeps degenerate jewish cyber propaganda away from children.

>>16779592
>Yes, Nature as a credible publishing institution is long, long over.
Never was desu.

>>16779850
Sure it was, e.g. double helix 1953, bucky ball 1985, and so on. Its business model used to be squatting on scientifically valuable IP and squeezing institutions for access, not participating in bizarre, political, hybrid government-NGO money laundering schemes.

>>16779651
Lol absolutely deranged. Nature should be designated as a terrorist cartel.

>>16779651
They were so based. Impressive

>>16779657
To be fair, Tsinghua is the top school in China. I'm from CS. I have a really great teacher from there, but his research work isn't super impactful.

>>16779684
>le social media and videogame (which we need to censor!!!)
The issue is drugs, specifically marijuana.

>>16779599
This list is for 2024
Expect Harvard to drop a lot further down in the future

>>16779976
>double helix 1953, bucky ball 1985, and so on
Shit journals also get good articles. What is supposed to differentiate credible periodicals from garbage ones is that the credible ones don't allow any shit papers. But Nature always allowed a portion of nepo-pushed p-hacked citefarming slop.

>>16780091
>nepo-pushed
This is how academic journals are supposed to work. They're a way to share interesting ideas among a small circle of colleagues who usually all know each other and are familiar with each other's past work. You'd often see, under the author or authors' names, "communicated by" a third, elder party. You couldn't even submit a paper directly.

>p-hacked
>citefarming
This is postmodern and didn't exist in any journal until recently (a few decades ago).

Its disappointing to see the cope and sour grapes ITT. This level of negativity and denial is gonna send the US/Europe spiralling further down into irrelevancy. Not upward back into prominence.

>>16780431
Thanks for buying Nature at the top of the market. Nice thing about the US is that we don't need to buy anyone else's used credentials: as soon as enough people notice the collapse in standards, we can just ignore Nature, start writing to each other in a new academic newsletter with higher standards, and everyone else will follow.

>>16780526
You think this is just about nature and you're deluded for it. Sad. You really are killing this country's standards.

>>16780679
Writing in the emotional language of a political advertisement isn't science. Your paper would be rejected, summarily. Also, that's the opposite of what I said, which was
>start writing to each other in a new academic newsletter with higher standards

>>16780431
Honestly good riddance. We had the world's best universities and research ecosystem, and we collectively decided to shit ourselves and throw it all away. China purged away all their retards post-cultural revolution, maybe they should be leading scientific research

>>16780717
Good luck with that, when the best China can do in terms of scientific publication is use the US treasuries they bought from us to buy our used credentials, which we can easily replace with better credentials at no cost.

>>16780732
The best we can do is gut universities for criticizing israel and slash scientific funding by 50%.

>>16780733
>slash admin bloat from 60% to the standard 10%
Fixed that for you.
But yeah, while it has absolutely nothing to do with science, I'd agree that Israeli visitors who bring their own foreign drama on to a campus should have their student visas revoked just as quickly as Arab visitors.

>>16780737
>Israeli visitors who bring their own foreign drama on to a campus should have their student visas revoked
Sorry anon, there goes your funding!

>>16780739
Worst case scenario is that faculty who don't put political posturing above science take a few years to reconvene at universities that also don't segregate their dorms and don't prioritize inimical race fetishization over science. Then start writing to each other in an academic newsletter with higher standards, which was my original and only point.

>>16780754
My point is that china doesn't care about using dei for "uplifting black bodies" or slashing funding for "owning the libtards", they largely exist above our stupid culture wars. That, along with other economic and demographic reasons is why they will be ascendant for the next few decades

>>16780767
China has to buy rotten credentials in order to pretend to publish its science in a former newsletter about science that is now a vessel of "dei" "culture war" rot (to use your own language). The US doesn't need to do that. We can simply choose to write a different newsletter within our academic hemisphere, and it will become the de facto standard. China can't do that. Also China has its own culture wars, economic, and demographic issues they're dealing with. You have a very rosy-eyed view of China.

>>16780035
Hmm, good to know. I'm an EE, but ended up doing computational biology for a little while (where I worked under this post-doc). I've never known anyone from Tsinghua university directly in my field but this post-doc definitely left a good impression on me of their graduates.

>>16780779
Idk about your field but in CS they are extremely prominent. For example the recent major breakthrough about Dijkstra's algorith comes from Tsinghua and won best paper at STOC.

>>16780926
Breakthrough about Djikstra? What's the name of the paper? I've seen about 100 rehashings of A*, so hopefully it's something more interesting than "this is a better heuristic method."

>>16780926
>No one would ever use it because there's no implementation that doesn't suck
>It's not even viable as a galactic algorithm because it doesn't change big O
Tell me more about this major breakthrough that's irrelevant to both applied and theoretical math.

>>16780943
He's talking about this preprint https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.17033
It's free to open. It reads like an old Ginsu blade infomercial from start to finish while not breaking through anything.

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>>16781961