Thread 16783479

Is education a scam?
>waste your best years studying goy so you'll have a potential (potential, not guarantee) to earn 150% of what other plebeians do...
>but will it give me a potential to become rich?
>ha ha ha ha ha, of course not you silly goy - you have to be born right and/or know the right people for that, regardless of your education status...

>>16783479 (OP)
Supposing that knowledge is power, how do you reconcile this premise with the idea that compulsory public "education" is knowledge? Do you think your rulers seek to give you power over them? So badly that they will employ armed thugs to force you into their system?

Somehow things went bad, scientists should get More recognition but they are slaves for the rich

>>16783479 (OP)
What productive use would you have put those four years to? Posting here more often?

>>16783544
Learning.

>>16783479 (OP)
>150%
Nigga not even. its 108%

>>16783488
>>16783529
>>16783479 (OP)
knowledge is knowledge
you don't acquire knowledge for some purpose
knowledge is the endgame
knowledge is the purpose

faggots like you were never meant to have knowledge so stick to drug dealing and whoring yourselves or whatever it is you do for "power"

>>16783479 (OP)
That heavily depends on your perspective.

>>16783841
>my handlers pumped me full of "knowledge"
>i don't know why and i don't know what to do with this "knowledge"
>but it's a good thing because it just is, ok?
100% publicly educated.

>>16783849
>only thing that matters is money
go suck some jewish dick faggot

>>16783856
Whom are you quoting? I like how the first thing that came to your mind is "my education has no market value" and you projected this gripe onto me.

>>16783871
You are the one who claimed education has no value unless it is marketable.
So go suck some jewish dick then.
You will get far more bang for your buck.
And won't need to even waste time in studying.
Why study when you can acquire money without studying?
I'm not insulting you, just giving career advice to one such as yourself.

>>16783892
>You are the one who claimed education has no value unless it is marketable.
I did? Provide a specific quote for this, like they taught you to do in public school. :^)

>>16783912
wasn't it you that replied when I said knowledge is its own purpose?
>>16783849

>>16783917
Provide a specific quote from the post you just linked to, where it says education is only valuable if it's marketable. The funniest part is that this very interaction demonstrates the "value" of your education, but you're not smart enough to notice or even understand it when I point it out for you.

>>16783918
I claimed education has its own value.
And you disagreed.
Claiming that I am pumped full of knowledge and that it's a bad thing.
>>16783849
read your own quote idiot

>>16783925
Notice how you can't point to anything specific in that post implying education is only valuable if it's marketable. I guess you didn't understand the task?

Public-educated retards are getting dumber every year...

>>16783912
Public school is piss easy. You feeling above it is cope for the fact that you we're too much of an idiot to do something easy.

>>16783928
so what did you mean then?

>>16783941
>so what did you mean then?
I meant just what I wrote. If you're struggling so much, ask ChatGPT or something. I find that mindless bots are now smarter than your segment of the population by far, especially when it comes to simulating basic literacy.

>>16783949
I accept your concession

>>16783479 (OP)
yeah kinda. it doesn't HAVE to be a scam, you can leverage it if you're proactive but (as it goes with people) only a small few actually leverage it, everyone else is just going through "the motions" to stick to the archetypal modern life narrative. i am 29, barely scraped by high school, decided against college, by far the best choice i made right after graduating as i now have a well paying job with zero debt

>>16783954
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_audience
>Jean Piaget, a Swiss developmental psychologist known for his epistemological studies with children, states that every child experiences imaginary audience during the preoperational stage of development. He also said that children will outgrow this stage by age 7, but as we know now this stage lasts much longer than that. Imaginary audience happens because young children believe others see what they see, know what they know, hear what they hear, and feel what they feel

>>16783959
kek failed to disprove what I said at every post
keeps posting irrelevant stuff avoiding to answer

I accept your concession

>>16783963
>I accept your concession
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_audience
>Jean Piaget, a Swiss developmental psychologist known for his epistemological studies with children, states that every child experiences imaginary audience during the preoperational stage of development. He also said that children will outgrow this stage by age 7, but as we know now this stage lasts much longer than that. Imaginary audience happens because young children believe others see what they see, know what they know, hear what they hear, and feel what they feel

Education is the only way out of the current mess.

>>16783966
You are the one who has an imaginary audience friend.

I asked you simply to explain your position and have a constructive discussion. You and me.

While all you care about is scoring "imaginary points" with your "audience", through "owning me".

Why do you even keep discussing with one such a stupid as me?
Isn't it a waste of time for one such as illustrious as yourself?

But you gotta keep entertaining your "audience" I guess.

Clap clap

>>16783959
You are the one who has an imaginary audience friend.

I asked you simply to explain your position and have a constructive discussion. You and me.

While all you care about is scoring "imaginary points" with your "audience", through "owning me".

Why do you even keep discussing with someone as stupid as me?
Isn't it a waste of time for one so illustrious such as yourself?

But you gotta keep entertaining your "audience" I guess.

Clap clap

>>16783479 (OP)
yes, the biggest target being women

>>16783969
But what type of education exactly? the current paradigm is just timewasting and debtbuilding

>>16783972
You failed at basic reading comprehension and now you keep screechign something about how "I failed" and how you "accept my concession". Clearly, in your mind, someone is watching your tantrums in approval and supports you. I just figured you may want to know what child psychologists call this tendency.

>>16783959
>Imaginary audience happens because young children believe others see what they see, know what they know, hear what they hear, and feel what they feel
In my experience, women tend to behave this way up until at least their early 20s. I've even seen cases of women in their 30s and 40s behaving this way, but they generally develop the mental maturity necessary to overcome their innate tendency towards magical thinking between 25 and 30.

>>16784280
90% of /sci/ behaves this way. For example, you're behaving that way right now thinking the imaginary audience understands why you suddenly started sperging out about women.

>>16784285
>apples are round
>so are oranges
>therefore, since both apples and oranges are round, you would have to be an idiot to discuss the roundness of apples
Relax, you passive-aggressive little freak. When I'm done talking about the roundness of apples, I'll start talking about the roundness of oranges, and maybe that of plums and melons too.

>>16784301
So when you discuss the roundness of oranges (are they in the room with us right now?), that's fine, but when I, in response, discuss the roundness of your forehead, I'm a passive-aggressive freak?

>>16783479 (OP)
Most people need some kind of knowledge so they can get what's necessary for life
School is just one method of getting there but some people grow up learning those skills and simply do some certification tests as adults
Others work a job right out of high school and look for investment opportunities that 2, 5, 10, even 1000x their money (I have found such opportunities thanks to /biz/ often saying to do my own research regardless of what's hype)
Only those born into a lifetime of money don't need to leverage some additional learning beyond the high school level to 'move up' in life as far as material gain, and I'm not talking mere luxury but stuff like being prepared for 'disasters' (common or rare) that can happen in one's living area

>>16783547
Then do it but you won't.

>>16783479 (OP)
>pic is a supposed math major
>the math is basic high school geometry
let me guess...her degree is in math education

>>16783479 (OP)
higher education is just the beginning for many professionals. most of them are continually studying until they retire. you arent going to be competitive in the rat race if you stay uninformed.

>>16783529
>Somehow

Nigga what u mean somehow? Somehow??? They import a billion trillion chink phds to lower u wages. U too afraid 2 call it out because white bitches might call you RAYCISS

I earn 6x the average american family earns without a college degree. I just worked my ass off.

>>16783479 (OP)
You could know the right people by making friends at the university. Retard.

>>16785187
Like whom?
Other poorfags from nowhere whose boomer parents raised in mentality "diploma == guaranteed success" sent to college without any other real support?
I wasn't an American attending Harvard.
I'm from Eastern European shithole - even professors were fucking losers here.

>>16785325
I'm from a EE shithole too
If you do things right and get top grades you can get easily accepted into American ivy league for postgrad
And then either have a top career in the USA
Or come back to your shithole and use your prestigious connections(American Jews) to become an important figure in your shit-hole

>>16783957
What type of work do you do?

>>16783928
Then how is it a scam?

>>16783966
But you are his audience, you aren't imaginary, you are replying back and OP's entire argument is still that knowledge is a scam if it doesn't make him rich.

>>16784273
This is a public forum open to the world, there are other people besides you and him watching and judging and weighing in.

>>16783479 (OP)
Education is only as good as what the user can make of it.
>>16783488
>>16783841
>>16783969
What you call knowledge is just culture. You can acquire it at schools, homes, books and whatnot and use it at your own discretion, but there are other forces at play. Intuition exists too, for example and people have been living very successful lives intuitively.

>>16783479 (OP)
I got an education and got into a job that requires an MA just to be trained. I now have lifelong tenure, earn ~€4,500 net and will get a pension that is over double the average retirement average workers get.

I think my education paid itself off already just by me being job-safe forever.

>>16783479 (OP)
>Is education a scam?
no

you were socially conditioned as a child and young adult, you had no idea what the truth was. your task as an adult is to unpack that conditioning and learn for yourself. don't go to university to get a job, go to learn about life.

>>16787334
Just save a little bit money over the course of 45 years and you will get the same pension working as a toiletcleaner lmao.

>>16783856
Lmao you lost so bad