Thread 16789450

mars is doomed edition
https://asbmr.confex.com/asbmr/2025/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/4915

previous >>16785907

mein Gott..

>>16789450 (OP)
Venus is the only viable place in the solar system for an independent colony.

>>16789450 (OP)
why is 0.33 g WORSE than no g in some of these? I demand that they redo the experiment!

Don't believe the hype!:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-quiet-demise-of-breakthrough-starshot-a-billionaires-interstellar/

A drum of highly enriched uranium spinning at thousands of RPM. Result: ISP of 1500 to 1800, about double a solid core nuke and five or six times methane. Will never happen of course:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0094576525002838

>>16789460
imagine the radiation shielding and radiators...

>>16789460
>reducing round-trip times to 420 days
Elon's hands are all over this

>>16789460
>article by... Tibi Puiu

>“Where does the space center program end and the access to the public rights start?” wrote area resident William Gee as part of the public comment period for the proposal. “You’ve constantly taken more and more … We want our kids to be able to enjoy the piece of land we all grew up on before corruption and greed takes over. Shame on all of you in favor.”

>"BTW -- I'm Trans. If that matters", Gee added.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2025/09/17/how-will-spacexs-massive-starship-affect-you-when-it-comes-to-florida/

>I’m going to give it to you straight. We’re not going to Mars anytime soon.

https://www.universetoday.com/articles/will-we-ever-make-it-to-mars

Of course, this guy is getting a paycheck from NASA for consulting. But don't you dare suggest he be cut because -- just don't okay!

>>16789469
chemical is the only viable propulsion method which is why elon isn't investing in nuclear anything.

Down the gravity well humans must go. Venus and Earth are the only future now. Or commit to a spin station future

>>16789492
colonizing venus in cloud cities and slowly teraforming the atmosphere sounds cozy

>>16789492
>commit to a spin station future
That reminds me, I was recently curious what the apparent size of Island 3 would be if it was in the ISS orbit. Turns out 400km is not that far for an object that's 32km long. Here's a mathematically accurate mockup I threw together. Yes it would actually be this big compared to the moon.

>>16789450 (OP)
I don't give a shit about your paper. Man belongs wherever he wants to go, and he'll do plenty well when he gets there.

>>16789504
In all seriousness I would like to see evidence beyond a graph before I believe it

>>16789454
Elon personally defunded the sciences recently so expect more vicious anti mars colonization Science That You Can Trust™ in the future.

>>16789450 (OP)
>gene expression blah blah blah
The only relevant question is can animal and crucially human embryo develops normally into fetus and carried to term at Mars and Moon gravity. Get the mouse pregnant at different simulated Gs already. Spare me the cruelty crap; you are going to kill them anyway.

>>16789460
>highly enriched molten uranium
>ISP of 1500 to 1800
Unimpressive

>>16789506
They only tested gene expression, not actual bone mass.
In any case weighted belts exist

>>16789454
Its 0.38g actually.

>>16789450 (OP)
We're going to need spin-habs everywhere it seems.
Maybe the colony can live on an electric train running on a tilted, circular track to simulate 1G? Or integrate lead weights in their suits.

>>16789551
Just have a martian rollercoaster for transporting cargo. Can tune turns and speed to give you consistent 1g over the trip. Could just ride for so long each day to get a dose of earth gravity.

just crack quantum gravity and we can build artificial gravity

>>16789554
I don't think we need Mars in that case

>noooooo the body can't just adapt to lower g
>in mice
Just upregulate the gene expression you retards if you're so concerned. You don't even need to but if it will make you shut the fuck up you can live in the pod centrifuge.

>just
Always. Fucking always kek

>>16789476
lmao "access to the public"
This guy wants to commit suicide by rocket but isn't willing to say it

>>16789570
>>16789476
>but what about public access to space force land
>but what about this 1 mile of beach in... florida
You can sense the desperation to rile up the NIMBYs.

>>16789450 (OP)
owari da

>>16789575
we'd basically have to slam everything into mars aside from earth and venus in order to get an earth-like gravity on mars

why are there so few older people working at spacex

Bechtel SLS mobile launcher crane was actually doing stuff a moment ago.

>>16789579
They are sane and don't want 60 hour work weeks close to retirement.
t. has an older relative who did contract work at starbase but turned down the offer for a full time job

ISS astronauts have basically zero muscle or bone loss now that they exercise with resistance training instead of running on a cuck treadmill.

>>16789585
>took decades to figure this out

>>16789589
yeah NASA is utter shit

>>16789450 (OP)
Does this mean that we can live on asteroids?

Reminder that super earths are a trap.

>>16789579
Unironically it's because Silicon Valley companies are explicitly engaging in age discrimination and have standing orders to HR to avoid hiring anyone over age 35 and find ways to dismiss anyone who gets that old

You think this is a joke

>>16789614
it's the truth
the conspiracy to hold wages down also never ended
they lure in young morons with articles in the news on how this or that dev got a 10m bonus but irl they pay most barely enough to make rent and expenses, so that they have to stay on until the options vest to make any money at all

>>16789575
yup. I always thought that surface gravity (and not radiation, day-night cycle, or lack of atmosphere, among other memes) was the black pill of space colonization, and that's why o'neill cylinders and similar structures will be the main form of settlement in the far, far future.

There will be slaves working the Mars mines while all the cool people get to party in the space stations in orbit.

>>16789576
Just take your bone pills

> Harrison writes that the "most robust air and missile defense shield possible" will cost some $3.6 trillion through 2045, nearly double the life cycle cost of the F-35 fighter jet, the most expensive weapons program in history.

>The numbers necessary to achieve this kind of muscular defense are staggering: 85,400 space-based interceptors, 14,510 new air-launched interceptors, 46,904 more surface-launched interceptors, hundreds of new sensors on land, in the air, at sea, and in space to detect incoming threats, and more than 20,000 additional military personnel.

Sure it will. Although, paying F-35 money for complete invulnerability still sounds pretty good.

>>16789579
they get burned out and go on to work in less intense jobs to have better work-life balance and to raise a family etc

>>16789653
>build 150k interceptors
>enemies build 160k ICBMs and cruise missiles
now what?

>>16789653
why would you start putting so much resources on that specific kind of defense nowadays? are they going to do something that will make other countries really pissed off? or do they know something we don't?

>>16789659
>now what
No more uranium on Earth. Second space race to secure another source. Space wars.

>>16789663
The Martian microbes will attack soon

>>16789659
> 160k ICBMs and cruise missiles

May we see them?

That's significantly more than the Soviet Cold War maximum inventory. Perhaps 20x or so.

While the aircraft and SAM numbers for GD above, which are exaggerated, are about double what the US had for in the 1950s. With a significantly smaller US population and economy.

GD, especially a realistic one, is doable. It's like the USAF going Back to the Future.

>>16789653
Does it take into account to that no rocket exists capable of launching that much shit?

>>16789673
you know that chinarr outproduces the US by a large margin, yes?

>>16789453
There is no viable place in the galaxy for humans other than planet earth.

>>16789472
>>article by... Tibi Puiu
Puiu is a romanian family name
Tibi is short for tibor in hungarian. He sounds like another based romanian hungarian from Transylvania.

>>16789715
source?

they were right.

>>16789673
>That's significantly more than the Soviet Cold War maximum inventory. Perhaps 20x or so.
No it isn't. Soviets maxed out at around 40k, 160k is only 4 times that.

>>16789591
They've been defunding it for decades, haven't they? The military gets 1200x more taxpayer money put into it and NASA receives their retiring spy satellites to use as cosmic telescopes. It's grim as fuck.

>>16789732
trains nigga
its that easy

>>16789653
Why not just keep good or at least neutral relations with everyone?
What an utter waste of money.

Here's a better idea: develop a bisexual bomb system that makes your enemies bi and forget about war.

>>16789727
Common sense. Ai will never have it.

>>16789673
The idea of the US producing a hundred and fifty thousand interceptors plus all their platforms is laughable, the US isn’t capable of making shit anymore in volume. If the US starts to try and cancel MAD with golden dome then China will just build their own as well as a network of anti golden dome killsats. Golden dome wouldn’t really stop MAD anyway since subs can just pop up offshore and delete a hundred cities. US ground based air defence is boomer tier and couldn’t defend the chosen ones against Irans missiles let alone whatever shit the Chinese have been cooking up.

>>16789732
>Weinersmith

>>16789484
>muh cosmic rays
I'm glad theres always such an easy tell about mars for "I'm a retard who doesn't know what the fuck I'm on about"

>SEPTEMBER 2000: Jeff Bezos founds Blue Operations LLC, the precursor to Blue Origin.
25 years lol

>>16789752
realistically he will be dead before new armstrong flies, especially with how many roids hes been taking. One day his bimbo wifewill give him a heart attack during good sloppy and it will all be over for BO. They have no source of revenue and reuly on jef philanthropically selling amazon stock to fund them indefinitely.

>>16789752
>25
that number keeps coming up, damn

>>16789738
even the fucking ISRO manages to do more on a smaller budget

>>16789738
Surely if we give NASA more money it will make them use it more effectively.

>In early 2025, however, Blue Origin proved it could finally compete when, on the first try, it successfully launched its New Glenn rocket to orbit. Starship it was not. Still, it was a very large and powerful vehicle—by no means a starter rocket—and its launch even drew admiration from Musk, who had long goaded Bezos and lamented Blue Origin’s lack of progress. Now the situation had clearly changed.
ok, but where the the NG launches?

>>16789763
>>16789765
>believing the defamation campaign of a narcissist billionaire so he can steal NASA's taxpayer funding and then complain about government handouts
Doesn't get much more retarded than that.

>>16789758
they're on a maintenance budget anyway
Jeffy has too big an ego to let go after he's invested so much of his ego in it, but he can't get to SPEHS with the shitty org he's built and he knows it
the fact that he married again tells you all you need to know about the man anyway
not one to learn from mistakes and move on

>>16789760
in the year 2525 if man is still alive...

>>16789770
>b-buh african man bad
NASA has never not sucked ass
even during the von Braun days they sucked ass but he was dragging them onwards with sheer genius and force of will

>>16789770
NASA getting more money would result in SpaceX getting more NASA contracts THOUGH

>>16789738
>The military gets 1200x more taxpayer money
Although I wholeheartedly agree with the point you are trying to make, in the hypothetical scenario in which NASA were to receive the same amount of funding that the military already receives, they would still find a way to be as inefficient as possible. Imagine the monstrosities that they'd come up with. A 100-billion-USD, expendable, SLS-derivative launcher that only goes to orbit once a year; a couple of 200-billion-USD nuclear probes for 'deep space'... that only perform a mere flyby of Uranus and Neptune; a 1-trillion-USD, made-in-space, interplanetary spaceship, that still has less than 1000m^3 of pressurized volume, and cannot take more than 8 humans to Mars at a time.

>>16789772
A normal man might buy a sports car to compensate for a midlife crisis.
Jeff Bezos started Blue Origin. Can you imagine the morale at that place, knowing these facts?
The origin of the company was to appease his blues. Yeah, I wanna work there...

>>16789779
he's a fucking dweeb, betabux archetype
I'd never work for him

>>16789775
Goddammit, I would really love to just be able to go to the future, and leave everything and everyone behind, just like my man Fry did. And yes, Futurama is technically an isekai.

>>16789779
The midlife crisis retard actually loves and cares for his machine though, bezos just neglects it and hopes it does something because he throws money at it

>>16789780
>betabux archetype
its an insane W for blackpillers. The fact that jef is one of the richest men on the planet, yet was born a beta and will always be a beta. There is no escaping genetic destiny.

>>16789653
Golden dome is a waste of money.

>Unlike the United States, which carefully separated its civil and military space efforts between NASA and the Pentagon
lol

>>16789785
can we get a polymarket of when Jeff throws the towel at Blue Origin?
Its a hot turd, flush it in: 2027, 2030, or after?
We all know, it needs to be flushed right now, its a game of predicting his five stages of acceptance timing. Also when will he divorce the bimbo and let her take half, because that affects his stupid company and must be part of the calculated risk (more than 50% failure rate)

They should make an extra test stand in case a V3 ship kills itself in testing too

How much blackpilling can /sfg/ take??
Remember- minimum prevention is just a train going in a circle. You think an off world base will be otherwise ready for children before they have rail infrastructure? Just a mile stretch of iron and a pressure tube with wheels?? We can build whatever the fuck we want!!!

>>16789501
We need multiple space stations like this in orbit. I want to see these passing by every few hours.

SPEHS

>>16789803
Whatever!
We!!
Want!!!

Do you think any of the command module pilots decided to have a goon sesh in the isolation of being 400,000km from any human being apart from the two astronauts on the Moon? Imagine cumming in 0G and the panic setting in as you desperately try to stop your spunk from getting all over the controls. And ground control asking why your heart rate was a steady 120 BPM for 10 minutes.

>>16789809
Still find it funny that they got psyop'd into copying the Shittle

>>16789501
Oh yeah also Island 3 is two cylinders but I couldn't find a photo of the moon with enough sky to accurately fit them both in the image. An individual cylinder is about 9.7x longer than the apparent diameter of the moon. It's just too big.
>>16789804
Keep in mind these things would be booking it like the ISS too, so would cross the whole sky in like ten minutes. Something so huge moving so fast might activate million year dormant fear pathways that say "be careful there's a shark overhead". We just don't have the context for such a thing.

>>16789821
Into my kino collection it goes.

>>16789821
sperma

>>16789821
should have been pictured in first post
no one cares about some f&g mouse study

>>16789450 (OP)
>You can't just put pregnant women in a centrifuge edition
We're going to do things to you that have never been done before

>We
Shut the fuck up faggot. You're not a hivemind.

>>16789659
combine orbital interceptors with orbital directed energy weapons and ground based railgun batteries for terminal phase interception
save your orbital missiles for when your cheaper alternatives are overwhelmed

>>16789842
Nigga the empire is fucking BROKE and you are talking about batteries of railguns and orbital lasers LOL that will be 500 trillion dollars t. Lockmart shekelstein

>>16789875
I see that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is going along quite well.

>>16789875
If you canland on an engine bell in the full release of KSA and have no consequences I will freak the fuck out.

>>16789846
this is the truth, after watching shit unfold my entire life, spot on analysis, all promises, fabricated lies, the money sucking Jews win again, just like they do in courts and governments worldwide, its more obvious than ever
I'm really struggling with this, guidance please? Why is this happening and what do we do about it?
I'm really not okay with the human spirit falling for a scam, when we know who exactly is behind it but everyone is too scared to do anything real
This is how humanity ends
help

>>16789880
They did it in real life so I don't see why not

>>16789777
Not if they learn to not sign contracts with snake oil salesmen.
>>16789778
That's not how space exploration works you blabbering retard. They'd send helicopters to Venus, deep drills and submarines to Europa, Mars sample return mission, maybe try the solar sail project... I don't know where you get your idiotic space opinions from, but i suggest switching your source immediately. Not even a capeshit fan is this retarded

So did they actually examine the mice's bones? Or just puree them and test for gene activation in the remains

>>16789883
>Why is this happening
Friedrich Hayek pushed the idea that the government shouldn't own anything and everything should be privatized. This was the birth of neoliberal economics that has destroyed the west.
>what do we do about it
I have spent 2 decades trying to teach people basic economic principals, all I can say is that doesn't work.

>>16789885
But the point is you would damage the engine bell and not be able to take off. Being able to do that with no consequences completely ruined the ksp meta. it meant the only reason to ever have landing legs was roleplay. They were a completely useless item and even had worse resistance to hard landing than some engines.

>>16789892
>ksp meta
Don't optimize the fun out of games anon, you don't need to follow some speedrun meta bullshit.

>>16789892
The only reason to do anything even remotely realistic in KSP was roleplay. It was just an orbital mechanics simulator with very basic everything else. You could strand kerbals on Eeloo in a two-kerbal landing craft and rescue him/her 200 years later without consequence. You could survive reentry without any form of heat shield most of the time and land safely on solid ground at speeds of above 10 m/s.

>>16789896
>10 m/s
>36 km/h
It would suck but be survivable.

As for realism I can't stop recommending the RP-1 modset.

>>16789893
Fuck that. We had our fun with KSP. I want a seriously fleshed out spaceflight simulator now. I want to face the frustration of getting things to work in KSP multiplied by 10. Make me consider every little detail and autisticly plan out every mission beforehand. I want the base building system to be in as much depth as the rocketry. I want to build cities on Mars but not without the struggle of getting there first.

>>16789899
Not going to get that in a stock game because it would filter 90% of players.

See >>16789898 for your best option until there is a KSA RP-1.

Mars is an airless, frozen, low-grav shithole

I mute everything to do with meme space firms (Rocket Lab, and other no names) and my space feed is so good. Just really high signal high quality information.

>>16789893
I don't optimize the fun out of games. I'm not one of those types who watches tutorials and follows them like an npc. I play ksp with stock parts on real scale kerbol system with the difficulty sliders on max. The fun is from the serous challenge of trying to financially survie and grow while doing it, like roleplay as early SpaceX.
The fun and immersion is totally destroyed when the game shoves easy unbalanced exploits in my face. It ruins the sense of accomplishment because I could just easily game the system, and it's always there bugging me. The missions in the career mode are also fucked up. I ended up quitting a really fun run after unmanned lunar flybies as a result. Havent played in years. I hope KSA fixes that, but since KSP career was never that popular I doubt.

Anyone who is letting themselves get excited for KSA should go play Rocketwerkz other ambitious space game, Stationeers.

>>16789908
>>The fun is from the serous challenge of trying to financially survie and grow while doing it
>fail moon mission 5 hours in because you put a docking adapter the wrong way
>have to take abdoullah kerman to a 75 x 300 km orbit around kerbin and orbit exactly 2.472 times and test a shartthruster 3000 at exactly 82 km high over a tropical island biome for exactly 6.284 seconds 11 times to get the funds to try again
career mode sucks ass. contracts should be prebuilt satellites that you launch for providers and some special vip space tourists every now and then.

>>16789896
Aside from the glaring issue of no life support, it was possible to larp realism by pretending that all fuel tanks and engines are pressure fed using storable hypergolics which is why they don't need ullage and also have shitty isp. You can actually make a LEM with comparible performance to the irl one using ksp stock parts.

>>16789910
I get the impression Dean Hall isn't the best manager but I have faith in the rest of the team made up of KSP and KSP mod devs.

>>16789921
>fail moon mission 5 hours in because you put a docking adapter the wrong way
That's why you do the fun larp of apollo style incrimental testing. Take your lander and command module to LKO to test, and also do some other side contracts to recoup some of the cost.
>contracts should be prebuilt satellites that you launch for providers and some special vip space tourists every now and then.
Yeah, the contracts were atrocious. What made it worse is that if you fulfil a contract to take a toursit to duna for example, then there will never be a tourist to Kerbin orbit contract ever again. Tourists to Duna was never more profitable so it was best to always game the system and never take toursits beyond Kerbin.

>>16789929
>most profitable to never go beyond kerbin's sphere of influence
just like real life

>>16789896
>You could survive reentry without any form of heat shield
With Kerbin scaled up 10x to roughly real scale the heat shield takes serious damage. It goes black if there is no ablative left btw, I bet most stock players would have never seen that.

>>16789812
The shittle despite all was a good looking space plane. It was good for PR, until you know

>>16789875
> KSA looking promising
> Empire Eternal looking promising
We (I personally) are so back.
>>16789898
I just bought KSP on GOG, should i play it vanilla first or install that mod? Im learning orbital mechanics from a course on jewtube so i wonder if i could apply that info on the game better if it's more realistic

>>16789941
vanilla first

>>16789941
>should i play it vanilla first or install that mod
Stock for sure, you'll never get to orbit and give up if you start with RP-1

>>16789941
Stay mostly stock. Grab CKAN, download the most popular graphical mods and the alarm clock mod. Personally I also use mechjeb for the data overlays but not needed on your first playthrough

>>16789450 (OP)
If the Age of Discovery had the same scientific scrutiny as spaceflight today, it would have taken forever to discover the Americas.

should i get a 12" dob

>>16789961
8" are a million times easier to transport and carry, so probably not

>>16789964
12 inch has 50% more light gathering and detail

>>16789735
>It doesn't understand the difference between a warhead and an ICBM, a missile that can carry multiple warheads at once.

Since you don't know even the basics of this topic, perhaps you should sit quietly while the adults talk.

Imagine a Strong Europe.

>>16790003
my favorite museum

>>16789653
It would be cheaper to just stop antagonizing other economic blocks and defunding Israel. Just saying.

>>16790008
yellow hands wrote this

>>16790008
I see it as just another extension of tech bro governance. Look at the development of A(G)I, all that power consumption for a glorified chatbot. But hey, trust Anduril!

>>16790014
brown hands wrote this

>>16790003
>Imagine a Strong Europe.
I don't have to. It's called America.

I really want Ariane to start being a serious launch provider. They have the capability, they're just held back by typical European lethargy and bureaucracy. I just want a reason to be proud of my continent like the Americans.

>>16790003
>>16790033
>>>/wsg/5976300

>>16790033
Ariane itself is run by stupid jackasses who don't even know about rockets. It has the boeing syndrome, run by managers not engineers. Allegedly in the past they couldnt even give customers reliable specifics on if their vehicles could or couldnt completely a mission, the coustomer had to work it out for themselves. One of the reasons SpaceX ate the commerical launch market, since despite all the numbers on the SpaceX website being bullshit they actually have accurate figures and make it very easy for customers to find out.

>>16790033
>They have the capability, but don't actually

>>16789450 (OP)
I wonder what Elon will do now. I guess you can't conclude that it applies to humans on Mars but it is an indication that Mars colonization maybe won't work. There should be more studies about that so time wont be wasted on a dream that maybe isn't possible and instead time and energy can be directed to alternatives.

>>16790021
We have literally no data points between 0 and 1g, you can fit any curve you like in there, anyone stating literally anything about it is just making shit up.

>>16790044
You lost.

The Blue Origin parts of Davenport's book are pretty boring desu

so allegedly the rocketlab neutron does away with the umbilicals by having all the stage 2 fuel pumped up through stage 1 and into stage 2.
This seems like something Starship could benefit from if they do ass to ass refuelling. It would give the refueling part multiple purposes, and mean that you arent nuking the upper stage fuel pipes every launch.

>>16790053
any examples?

>>16790060
>But on this day, September 12, 2016, the email had big news. Under the title “A Next Step….” Bezos wrote: “Our mascot is the tortoise. We paint one on our vehicles after each successful flight. Our motto is Gradatim Ferociter—step by step, ferociously. We believe slow is smooth and smooth is fast. In the long run, deliberate and methodical wins the day, and you do things quickest by never skipping steps. This step-by-step approach is a powerful enabler of boldness and a critical ingredient in achieving the audacious. We’re excited to give you a preview of our next step. One we’ve been working on for four years. Meet New Glenn.”

>>16790068
Sad. Shouldn't a business expert like Bozo know that most of the greatest things come in a crunch?

>>16790068
GRADATIM GRADOCITER

WHAT THE FUCK THEY JUST ABORTED A STATIC FIRE?!?!? WTF I THOUGHT ELON MUSK IS PRO LIFE

V2 is shit

Nothing ever happens

>>16790081
Why do all computer-generated renditions of Mars look like shit compared to how it actually looks IRL? Where's the cloud layer? Why do they always make Mars so depressingly dark?

>>16790068
gay

>>16790079
Pretty cool

>>16790051
which country supplies the euro equivalent of Alabama river rocks?

>>16790079
that looks absolutely awful.

>>16790092
Why?

What's that stuff on the top of the engine bell?

>>16790100
Plumbing

https://youtu.be/5qobvNGc_LQ

FLOAT

What if space elevator but on moon?

>>16790114
dumb like dyson spheres

>>16789803
That makes colonization way more expensive.

>>16789549
Gene expression is a better proxy that indicates bone mass is being lost

Whats about "small" temporary high g centrifuges? 2 times per day 30 minutes 2 g.

>>16790051
it's as if they long for failure

>>16790120
>what about bone breaker machine?

I watched an N-Eager video where he implied that specific impulse and thrust are inversely proportional. Is that true?
I get that in practice, make it look that way. but still aren’t they independent parameters?

>>16790120
>what about vomit machine

>>16790133
you can get high thrust high ISP it just requires black magic tech

>>16789961
16"

>>16790133
We need to find a way to get 1g acceleration out of an ion engine

>>16790133
In general they are inversely proportional because all high ISP engines that exist are very very low thrust, like ion engines for example.
With raptor they have been expanding the throat to get mor thrust, which does result in lower ISP all else being equal. Maybe Raptor 3 has higher ISP than raptor 2 despite that change because of all the parts removed.

TRUTH NVKE: If Jeffrey Preston "Jeff" Bezos owned Space Exploration Technologies Corp. he would have funded Grey and Red Dragon out of his own pocket, advancing humanity as he is doing with his magnificent Blue Alchemist program.

Muskrat would never

>>16790141
https://youtu.be/xUoE7wOB-fY

no

>>16790146
>TRUTH NVKE

>>16789460
>still memoryholing pulsed solid core engine
it's the only good nuclear engine that you could actually build right now

>>16790155
bro, your radiators and shielding?

>>16790154
why does France have so many nukes? is because they just like nuclear stuff and the nukes are justa side project to keep messing with it?

>>16789484
>anytime soon
I'm getting real fucking tired of this phrase

>>16790158
The UK has them so therefore they must have as many or more.

>>16790146
all memes aside yes he would. and blue alchemist is impressive. I hope to see it working. It will be producing fuel on the moon at least a decade before spacex produces a single drop of fuel on mars.

>>16790146
he very well might, but he would not do Starship
he would like you said focus on random pointless bullshit, doing 1000 different things at once accomplishing nothing noteworth

>>16790163
I yearn for the day that Beñoz sees the light and cancels Blorigin's launch programs to focus 100% on ISRU and in-space systems

>>16790084
Imagine my disappointment when I spent 1500 hours to get to Mars in gregtech only to find the sky completely dark like the moon
I was going to live there

>>16790146
He wouldn't because he wouldn't have developed dragon in the first place, he'd keep fucking around with falcon 1 until eventually flying falcon 9 once per year by 2025.

>>16790163
>It will be producing fuel on the moon at least a decade before spacex produces a single drop of fuel on mars.

>>16790133
thrust is a product of exhaust velocity and mass in a given time

isp is a product of propellant mass consumed for a given amount of thrust over time

outside of the technology fairy giving you a way to drastically increase exhaust velocity your thrust and isp are heavily determined by how quickly propellant is consumed

SRB and Hall effect electric thrusters are opposite extremes of this relationship

>>16790133
>>16790138
Isp is fuel efficiency, so it's like asking why there aren't any muscle cars that get 60MPG.

>>16790154
>jeff
>who

>>16790191
do you think jeffy hates being compared to dr evil or what

>>16790158
they invested heavily into nuclear, energy plants, in the recent past they did plenty of nuclear bomb testing including under sea detonations and such, aka they're suppah nuclear

>>16790195
Damn, Im jealous. Where i live we dont really need nuclear because hydroelectric power is enough but must be cool being an euro that does not depend on coal, so their electric bills must be cheap then? or is just less expensive

Someone posted this on Twitter saying there was deep Elon lore with this specific booster section. I've never seen it discussed before, anyone know? They posted it with a picture of the pedoguy incident rescue sub Elon had SpaceX make, Tesla Power Packs to handle power flux at the xAi data center, and the Twitter Data Center that was gutted.

>>16790158
During the Cold War, they were the first target. Their doctrine is strike first, ask questions later, and if anyone tries to invade them that they'll nuke themselves into nothingness so no one can capitulate and do a repeat of the Nazi Occupation during WW2. That's why they have so many nukes. They make themselves a porcupine, and even if you get past the spikes, there is worse than nothing remaining.

>>16790157
>shielding

>>16790222
link the schizophrenic nonsense directly instead of poorly summarizing it

>>16790084
i mean it is pretty dark compared to earth. irradiance goes with the square of distance.
but your eyes would adjust

>>16790222
that's not a booster section.
but i have no clue what it is. never seen that picture

>peter hague defending dyson spheres

dyson spheres are gay and dumb. Imagine powering your civilization using solar energy instead of fusion or exotic vaccuum energy tech.

>>16790237
dyson spheres are inevitable

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1969106659181002990/
>SpaceX has requested FAA approval for new Starship launch and landing trajectories from Starbase, TX.

https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship/20250919_Draft-Tiered-EA-for-Additional-Trajectories-and-Starship-RTLS_508.pdf

>>16790184
way to not understand Isp

>>16790237
at a certain scale of energy usage you have to go solar
like elon said recently if you want to build a 1 TW computer the only way possible is off grid solar. you cannot get that kind of energy any other way

>>16790238
why would you rip apart a planet to make shitter panels when you can mine your local gas giant for fusion fuel?

That isn't even accounting for the potential of new physics like ZPE which is potentially even better than fusion.

>>16790255
coping. there is a free fusion reactor in the sky. and if you want higher density you just get closer to it

>>16790255
get this person to the infirmary, he is delusional

>>16790251
good little slut

>>16790262
>>16790263
we will never find dyson spheres out there. they are retarded. I will be vindicated on this matter.

>>16790269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrYBiEY2fho

>As Elon Musk gave him a tour of the factory floor, Bridenstine asked him what worried him most now as the company prepared to fly people for the first time. He was expecting Musk to say it was the vessels used to keep pressure in the fuel tanks as the rocket burned through propellant. Those vessels had been the culprit of both rocket explosions, and Bridenstine assumed they remained the greatest risk.

>Musk assured him that the problem had been solved. What worried him, he said frankly, was the launch abort system. In the case of a problem with the rocket booster, the Dragon spacecraft had its own engines that were designed to quickly shoot the spacecraft away to safety, a feature the Space Shuttle, mounted on the side of the rocket, had not had. In order to fire the engine fast, as would be necessary in an emergency, SpaceX used what are known as hypergolic propellants, which ignite instantaneously when combined. The fluids were highly flammable and dangerous and released under an extraordinary amount of pressure. “There’s a lot that can go wrong,” Bridenstine recalled Musk saying.

>>16790277
makes sense. the dragon explosion was totally unprecedented. high pressure hypergolics is an accident waiting to happen.

>>16790240
>>16790244
jello baby bros, we are getting closer

>>16790273
the context of that scene the guy isn't delusional

>>16790285
this fusion lover is delusional

>>16790285
explain how if you're already in space you wouldn't just get closer to the sun if you wanted higher density (you'll be limited by waste heat radiation anyways) without invoking zero point energy and speculative physics

>>16790291
>speculative physics
ZPE isn't speculative

>just get closer
Not applicable for space travel. you want to go AWAY from the sun not towards it. Solar still has incredibly poor efficiency and increasingly so the further away you get. you can get around that by doing the fusion yourself. Why the fuck would you want to be locked to being near the sun all the time?

>>16790297
its for compute you retard, not spaceships

>>16790298
>compute
Ah you are an AI retard.

>>16790297
I mean the giant moons and asteroid belt are pretty cool.
I get what you're saying now. I would argue maybe the dyson swarm will make antimatter which just gets shipped out.

>>16790305
>giant moons
gas giant moons

>>16790305
But I guess the Belters would want to make power without depending on the innercuck AI golems

>>16790309
the matter of the belter barbarians will be transformed into compute substrate like everything else

>>16790230
https://x.com/xdnibor/status/1969067355708821658

>>16790305
>>16790309
you can get antimatter from jupiter, saturn or any planet with a strong magnetic field including earth. Basically the Kardashev scale is all wrong. it's not scaling energy production with solar it's scaling on energy density. As civilizations get more advanced they discover and utilize more and more energy dense methods of producing power

Organic Fuels (wood) -> Fossil Fuel -> Fission -> Fusion -> antimatter -> ZPE

Solar is regressive nonsense and really only good for low power systems close to the sun. Low energy, low efficiency, does not enable space travel or expansion. you need high energy density, reliable, and portable power sources. Solar is none of those things.

>>16790300
retard alert

>>16790035
when is this from?

>>16790321
$500 billion for mars but how much for artificial gravity? $0

>>16790321
>Elon's wealth will be used to colonize Mars
does this retarded xjeet not understand what Musk's wealth actually is?

>>16790321
this is such a joke lol. the stock would crater if he actually sold any appreciable amount so the money doesn't actually exist.
how much can he sell? and would he sell essentially giving his baby tesla away to others?

>>16790244
>RTLS
>middle of the gulf

>>16790330
Yeah what did they mean by this?
Is there any scenarion where debris could fly this far?

>>16789955
and the DSKY

>>16790244
>specifically avoids america
based

>>16790073
expert penny-pincher
poster child for failed testosterone supplementation therapy

Flight 11 ship catch?

>>16790347
they aren't doing ship catch until next year with v3

>>16790346
This was before he got buff. He's full time at BO and actively firing all the faggots in management.
He doesn't believe in that motto any more and he's so based and fucks his stupid plastic wife constantly

>>16790347
nope

>>16790347
NET flight 13. Already confirmed (it's over)

>>16790335
Aborted RTLS landing but it still has to come down somewhere

Mexican bros.......

>>16790237
>>16790238
Stars are bad and should be locked away to think about what they've done.

>>16790355
soon

>>16790355
heh, clean it up janny

https://youtu.be/fuY1_GXyK4M

TitaneanGODS

>>16790355
>star curtain

What is he talking about.

>>16790297
>>16790237
>ZPE isn't speculative
As a concept, no. But as an energy source, yes it is. Under current physics it is impossible to draw energy from it.

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-blue-origin-to-deliver-viper-rover-to-moons-south-pole/
science and BO chads, we're back, two birds with one stone: extremely advanced rover for scientific research and a cryo lander for heavy duty cargo

>>16790370
what does it matter? its a jello baby world.

>>16790370
Finally, I don't want to wait until Artemis 3 for pictures of permanently shadowed craters.

>>16790374
well it's blue origin so you might have to wait

>>16790374
>>16790375
>With this new award, Blue Origin will deliver VIPER to the lunar surface in late 2027, using a second Blue Moon MK1 lander
It's over.

You now remember New Glenn

>>16790370
>VIPER
so they un-cancelled it?

>>16790370
Did spacex even bid? Doubt they want another one of NASA's moonslop missions.

>>16790371
its raw material for the O'neill Cylinders

>>16790374
If you photograph it it's not longer shadowed. Planetary protection protocols activated.

>>16790380
not sure what's going on desu, seems like another one of Duffy's tricks

>>16790380
didnt a commercial company take it over to finish it or something

>>16790370
>VIPER
I thought this was cancelled due to budget cuts

>>16789575
>earth gravity exactly 1.000g
You can't explain that, God is great!

>>16790381
SpaceX isn't doing small landers of their own so no.

>>16790369
There are very prominent people Like Hal Puthoff who say otherwise.

>>16790397
>SpaceX isn't doing small landers
Super Heavy is tiny, we need to go bigger.

>>16790400
>very prominent people
>Harold Edward Puthoff, often known as Hal Puthoff, is an American electrical engineer and parapsychologist known for his work in laser physics, remote viewing research, and theories on zero-point energy.
So not a physicist and ticking many of the crackpot boxes at once. Of course he dabbles in /x/-tier garbage as well as pseudoscience.

>>16790370
hardware that doesn't even exist on paper bros, we're so back

>>16790421
what do you think of this schizo?
https://youtu.be/2tGRhTXKh8A

>>16789457
>“Breakthrough is essentially a set of meetings,” Lubin says. Other sources also cited meetings as a primary way scientists participated in the project.

lol

>>16790431
If you're rich don't have the chutzpuh to put your money where your mouth is, you're either dabbling or trying to sucker other people into making your pet project happen — and most likely failing.

Square-cube effect means that mice bones are bearing virtually no weight at 33% gravity. They barely even have bones to start with. It'll be different for larger animals

>>16790358
Make her half the height, twice the width, 5x darker and a ton of wrinkles.

>>16790427
Not wasting 45 min of my life, sorry. If they publish their world-changing claims exclusively on youtube that tells you all you need to know.

>>16789484
>Like I said, we’re not going to Mars anytime soon, because we haven’t solved…let me check my notes…ah, that’s right, ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS.

This is a NASA advisor

>>16789886
>That's not how space exploration works you blabbering retard
He won't take on this fact and will say the same thing next thread btw. The problem of this place being anonymous is that absolute drooling retards can say their stupid opinions with no consequene. It's why they gravitate here, beause they would be bullied off other forums for being so stupid.

>>16790443
He actually did publish you can see the journals in the video description

Basically they use the casimir effect to generate electricity

>>16790222
>>16790234
It's a Falcon 9 aft section the guy just said. Interesting

>>16790452
And does it work? Very easy to build

>>16790355
North Mexico is only inhabited by cartels and people waiting to border hop so nothing worthwhile will be lost if starship debris does hit someone there

>>16790458
according to him it does. They tested for experimental artefacts and "found none". Obviously it would require another team to do the work and test for reproducibility and more rigorous testing for potential alternative explanations but that requires funding and a lab.

If someone here works in a lab and can reproduce these results that would be interesting to see.

>>16790458
should mention they are using really small micron scale devices so maybe "easy to build" is not so easy after all.

>>16790158
Unlike the rest of Western Europe, France never gave up on being a world power after WW2 and de-colonization which is why they not only have nukes, but also their own military-industrial complex, neo-colonialist ventures in Africa secure raw resources, and the oldest and largest space program in West Europe. Aside from carrying all of Europe's spaceflight dreams on their back, they also sent the first kitty into space.
They're definitely punching above their weight when it comes to world relevance in the age of superpowers like the US, USSR/Russia, and China.

>>16789551
Just have people sleep and exercise in centrifuges.

>>16790133
Given a fixed power supply, if you increase the mass flow rate you get more thrust, and if you decrease the mass flow rate you get less thrust. Going for higher mass flow rate optimizes for impulse per unit energy, and lower mass flow rate optimizes for impulse per unit propellant mass.
If you have a fixed supply of mass to propel yourself with, you want to optimize for impulse per unit propellant mass. You will get less thrust but for an exponentially longer time spent thrusting, and greater impulse overall.
This optimization tradeoff doesn't show up much in chemical rockets because the units of propellant mass AND energy per unit propellant mass are fixed for each chemical propellant, but you can kinda see it happening if you compare solids vs kerolox vs hydrolox on a sliding scale. Hydrolox makes for a shitty booster because it has a lower mass flow rate per unit energy, solids make for a shitty upper stage because they have a high mass flow rate per unit energy.
Electric rockets show this tradeoff clearly. If we had power supplies that matched the power output of a chemical rocket, the high Isp 1GW electric thruster we'd get would still have far less mass flow rate and thus less thrust than a chemical rocket, but would have much greater Isp.
Torch drives are only so difficult because we're effectively trying to MASSIVELY EXCEED the power output of our largest chemical rockets, in order to accelerate a normal mass flow rate to exhaust velocities that match a very good electric thruster. In order to not add so much power plant mass that it mostly removes the advantages of such an overwhelmingly powerful thruster, the power supply must be very lightweight for its huge output, which is why the closest thing we have to a working torch drive in concept uses a "power plant" in the form of a nuclear bomb: very good power to weight ratio, and it solves the problem of the unit wanting to instantly vaporize itself by allowing it to instantly vaporize itself.

>>16790468
you can buy as small as 20nm metal foils online.
just slap some foils on top of each other, should amplify the effect.

What do you sync computer time to around/on the moon? What’s your local reference? Or do you just use the DSN time or something and account for the light delay caused by your distance from earth? What about on the far side of the moon without line-of-site of earth and the calibrated atomic clocks? How do probes like voyager new horizons etc calibrate their clocks?

>>16790465
>>16790452
>>16790427
Him and Mike should link up.

schizoscience is the future of science

>>16790400
>>16790421
holy schizo fraud

>>16790495
I doubt Qigger drive will work, but if these small "Casimir cells" actually produce electricity then you can use them in place of batteries/Nuclear for ion propulsion, and they would be better than solar since they don't rely on solar energy to operate.
You could scale incredibly easily since they seem to work in series and in parallel like normal batteries while producing constant charge flow.

>>16790505
Mikey is using the casimir effect to produce thrust with the QI drive, and claims it can be an infinite power source from zero point energy just like this oldhead guy, so either both of them are right or both of them are wrong.

>>16790493
clockfags will tell you this matters but it doesn't actually.
you don't need to tell absolute time. and crystal oscillators are just fine for relative.
once in a while you can get a correction from earth, use ranging distance for light delay and you're done.

>>16790512
someone @big mike on xitter with the video then. Who knows, something may come of it. if only because It would be hilarious if the ramblings of some randoms on 4chan indirectly resulted in a breakthrough propulsion drive.

>>16790505
>>16790512
Fucking Casimir effect man I've been seeing it everywhere lately https://www.universetoday.com/articles/the-dream-of-faster-than-light-ftl-travel-dr-harold-sonny-white-and-limitless-space

>>16790495
>QIgger and Zigger linked up! need it or keep it?

>>16790523
https://www.altpropulsion.com/casimir-zero-point-energy-warp-drives/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atGD9dIgYgg

>>16789551
Just ignore it. Mice are a poor analogue for humans with respect to load on bone cross section

>>16790525
Someone link mike the video already I need to see what he says now.

>>16790531
This seems like a very similar concept as the Moddel guy. using a Casimir cavity to create preferential flow of electrons.

It's almost exactly the same concept using electron tunneling thru a diode.

>>16790544
yeah, the fact that all these things seem to be converging + Exodus Propulsion too also stumbling on something similar to QI thrust drive is the one thing that makes me think there /might/ be something to all this, remaining skeptical though

>Technically it has been fired many times now, but just in short bursts for testing operation, confirming that it doesn't interfere with other parts of the satellite, etc. These short bursts do not produce enough of a change in orbital characteristics to be measurable.

latest from the IVO man

>>16790553
>That is exactly right. Duration burns will be coming in the near future. We needed to make sure that the test setup was functioning properly so that if we didn't measure thrust it was because the idea was wrong--not because something had broken in the Drive.

>>16790531
>The Casimir Effect: Power from the Vacuum

>Dr. White’s current work centers around the Casimir effect, a quantum phenomenon where a force arises between closely spaced plates in a vacuum due to the exclusion of certain wavelengths of energy. While traditionally viewed as a one-time energy source, similar to a battery, Dr. White and his team at Casimir have engineered a revolutionary nanotech device that harnesses this effect to generate continuous power.

>This innovation involves creating a customized Casimir cavity with strategically placed antennas and pillars. These structures interact with the quantum field, causing a preferential flow of electrons that can be harnessed to generate electricity. Dr. White uses a compelling analogy: imagine the quantum field as an ocean, with waves interacting with the cavity walls and funneling electrons towards the central pillars. This continuous flow, analogous to a solar panel but utilizing virtual photons from the quantum vacuum, is the key to their breakthrough.

>infinite space drive and the infinite energy to power said space drive

it just feels too good to be true, but would be the biggest breakthrough in spaceflight ever, we will never settle the solar system on chemical alone

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Jef Kino!
https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/1969191669359661535
https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/1969191669359661535
https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/1969191669359661535
https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/1969191669359661535

>>16790559
>biggest breakthrough in spaceflight ever
Possibly the biggest breakthrough in human history.

>>16790450
>He won't take on this fact and will say the same thing next thread btw.
The problem is that something produces these confident idiots at an alarming rate, and I am pretty sure that it's coming from the Elmo crowd.
I think at this point Elmo did more damage to space exploration as a whole than all of NASA's budget cuts combined. We have entire generations of young space enthusiasts growing up and being taught that space exploration is equivalent to "wao let's colonize Mars teehee".

>>16790561
balls in SpaceX's media team court now

>>16790565
>space exploration is equivalent to "wao let's colonize Mars teehee".
Good. We've been peering at rocks for decades now. Let's have an equivalent period of settling space, then we can go back to peering at rocks.

>>16790559
yeah this is very very similar to the Moddel cell design which also creates preferential electron flow. If two different people are getting similar results like this it's more than just a mistake.

I'd really be interested in seeing those two link up if they haven't already.

>>16790451
/sfg/
a magical place

>>16790570
>If two different people are getting similar results like this it's more than just a mistake.
Yeah and again same with the QI thrust and Exodus Drive thrust being discovered pretty much independently which is like the story you read of almost every major new invention in history like the radio,

ok but how does being able to get free energy from a vacuum not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics and conservation of mass/energy

>>16790561
It's so fucking embarrassingly low lmfao who the hell is being convinced to pay millions for this shit

>>16790576
something something quantum virtual particles vacuum not empty/etc

>>16790576
It's like how in 40k you can summon daemons from the Warp. It works as far as it goes, but there will be a price to pay.

>>16790561
high school rocketry team tier footage

>>16790576
It’s not a law it’s some shit someone made up and called a law

>>16790587
TRVKE

>>16790576
Garret said in an interview that he doesn't think they are violating anything.

You can hear him explaining how they think the device works and it's astonishingly similar to how Harold White explains how his device works. They are utilizing the Casmir cavity to create an asymmetry in the vacuum energy. They are effectively creating a disequilibrium in the quantum tunneling part of the device, and harnessing electrons from that.

https://youtu.be/dB_SDiIJjYI

Remember musk’s melty?

>>16790602
which one?

For some reason I have an easier time believing that Casimir-cavity derived throost is real vs. Casimir ZPE infinite energy

>>16790576
The accelerating expansion of the universe is caused by aliens draining energy from the vacuum on an industrial scale.

>>16790606
Mass Effect called they want their lore back

>>16790605
They amount to the same thing. Reactionless throost means infinite energy, since you can just turn a generator with unlimited free throost.

>>16790608
ZPE cells skips the rotation step but yeah you can't have a net thrust without also implying there is energy there that can be tapped.

>>16790608
Fuck it I'll take it, anything to spread humanity into the cosmos easier and faster

We need to dominate this region of space at least

12 trillion humans around 12 light years of space

Woodward drive... whatever happened there

>>16790615
I remember that... mach effect seems not as solid as casimir effect I think

With a 2/3 majority vote of physicists we can repeal the thermodynamics laws you know

>>16790625
i bet the gay physicists who are voting against the repeal are the same ones who study climate science and sociology

I CAN'T TELL IF YOU GUYS ARE JOKING BUT IT'S STARTING TO REALLY TICK ME OFF.

>>16790452
this is the same shit as extracting energy from magnets.
literally hundreds of years of people claiming to be able to do that and failing / grifting.

>>16790629
we will never get off of this rock

>>16790630
if the "zero-point radiation" makes the electrons flow preferentially to the top plate and then you flow the electrons back out of the potential well into your circuit you have generated zero energy total.
same as a kid not understanding why you can't build a magnet generator or a gravity powered marble loop but its schizo boomers instead

>>16790566
/ourgirl/ jamie's got this

>>16790636
disney superfan bogtranny to the rescue

>>16790630
They are utilizing the Casimir cavity to create an imbalance. Limiting the virtual photons exciting electrons in the electrode on one side vs the other, creating an imbalance. That imbalance becomes a net flow of electrons that otherwise would have been in perfect equilibrium.

>>16790629
>t. midwit

>>16790638
thanks nu-mspaint. Fucking gay that I have to have multiple layers now.

Jeff is saving VIPER
he also has a very big cock that he fucks his stupid plastic wife with every day

>>16789501
finally we can advertise to the north sentinelese

>>16789501
kinooo

reminds me of my space tower, something about these scales and visuals just tickles my brain so good, megalophilia I think

>>16790651
shame we will discover antigravity or AG-Like tech before we get anywhere near a functional space elevator

>>16790652
this was more like a mega space tower impossible to build in any way irl but was fun, kino scale

>>16790652
how do you now? you're not one of those rotating mercury ufo truthers right?

>>16790655
I don't know how they work but they do exist. Note I wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't seen something first hand.

It was a fixed point of light in space, thought it was a star at first. Only problem was that it was a star that wasn't supposed to be there. I was looking up at the night sky for the big dipper while walking my dog at night and saw that the big dipper had one too many stars. I was like "huh that star isn't supposed to be there". The moment that thought popped into my head this thing quickly moves off in a small arc and winks out.

Now I don't know of any prosaic explanation for that. It couldn't have been a plane, or a helicopter or a balloon. None of those can stay still and then suddenly move off like that. even if it was a plane coming towards me I would have seen it getting closer as it moved in a straight line, but it never did that. There wasn't any noise. It just suddenly moved off to the side and the light went out. Not a meteor or satellite. Neither of those change course like that.
definitely not a drone either as this was well before those were common. I have no idea what it could have been.

>>16790662
>to the side.
checked my log entry and it moved upwards actually. Still suddenly and with a slight curve dimming as it went until it vanished

>>16790662
>>16790664
a meteor coming at you could look like that

>>16790665
I'm not so sure about that. It was completely stationary until I looked at it and then it moved upwards and dimmed out with no visible streak. It was like a light bulb with a dimmer switch

>you can travel to any planet you want as long as its earth
:|

If you travel to Mars, your bones will immediately liquify in the weak gravity

If you travel to Mars you will leave Gaia's eternal consciousness field and die immediately

>>16790684
that's silly. the consciousness field permeates the entire universe like every other field

>>16790686
lameee

We shall create synthetic living beings in our image to colonize the galaxy. They will be designated the Men of Stone

>>16790690
>We shall create synthetic living beings in our image
already been done anon

cygnus could be used as a temporary space station. just dock to it with a dragon.

>>16790651
nigga wants to fuck a series of tubes

>>16790697
this is just haven 1 with less capability

It's too bad you can't colonize Mars-chan because she's so thin and low-mass.
Maybe you could colonize me instead? jk! unless...?

>>16790474
In the Alien series of movies, the various states of Earth have merged into a few large super-states.
Except France, which remains simply France. They've even acquired a few more colonial territories.

>>16790699
>fuck
no
>be in the presence and awe of
yes

Like when you stand directly underneath a bridge, and just gaze in awe at the steel colossus before you, you know the feeling, maybe

>>16790705
I always hate all these future fanfic maps because they always end up being
>America/West
>Russian/China baddies
>Europe fucked up and fragmented
>idk whats in Africa, just have them all unite together lmao
Not that I could do any better.

>>16790707
its very lazy/cliche/generic AI could probably come up with something better and more unique (if prompted to)

>>16790707
The flaw is usually not having Europe (except France) completely under the nUSA umbrella, which it of course would be.
Also Russia would under no circumstances merge with China, nor India with any of the western powers.

>>16790705
This is so stupid
There's no scenario were the USA would unite with South America but not Britain. And Japan is only there so that "Weyland-Yutani" makes sense.

>>16790561
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1969268705411391559

>>16790751
I want Blue to abandon launch and focus on other space tech so that the Spacex/Blorigin industrial collaborative dream team can be real.

>>16790565
>"wao let's colonize Mars teehee"
but thats based

>>16790759
Nooo you have to look at roggs through a smelloscope

>>16790349
shut up jeffy
everybody knows you cry yourself to sleep over how many baby mommas Elon has

Should we genocide normalfags?

>>16790766
i never heard of any of those

>>16790751
he could've welcomed him to the club

>>16790559
>>16790589
>Dr. White’s current work centers around the Casimir effect,
Oh yes, the illustrious Harold White of the infamous Eagleworks lab. He has quite a legacy.
He reignited the whole EM drive bullshit, claimed it worked. The study he and his lab published was trash, basic scrutiny was ignored. It has taken better researchers years to prove that was bullshit.
And now that EM drive is finally dead, he claims to have accidentally built a warp drive. Despite claiming to be building it 14 years ago they have published absolutely nothing.
They have also been kicked off of NASA funding.
> it's astonishingly similar to how Harold White explains how his device works
You're correct, in that neither work.

>>16790703
>tidally locked
>orange sunlight
>death rays being blasted at you 24/7
>no atmosphere
>no water
It's worse than Mars in every aspect.

So why doesn't Elon do stubship again?

https://youtu.be/j9dKncPsLvM

>>16790751
ok this is actually epic

Those were the days, two-lane TX-4 all the way to Starbase

>>16790638
>>16790452
>They are utilizing the Casimir cavity to create an imbalance. Limiting the virtual photons exciting electrons in the electrode on one side vs the other, creating an imbalance. That imbalance becomes a net flow of electrons that otherwise would have been in perfect equilibrium.
That does not produce a flow of electrons though. Having an imbalance is not enough.
Take an analogy, you have a long circular tube filled with water. This is the circuit, the water is the electrons. When the tube is flat on the floor the gravitational potential of all sides is the same. There is no flow of current. Now take one side and put it on a hill. The water in that part of the tube is higher in altitude, it thus has more potential energy (or less depending on your sign convention). There is an imbalance in the energy of the water on each side, but does the water flow around the loop? No. Because the water on one side has to climb up the potential, the same as it would gain flowing down the hill. So there is no flow.
It's the same if you take a loop of copper wire. If you heat it on one side there is an imbalance in energy, but does a current flow? No.
You can only extract energy if you have something moving from a high energy state to a lower one, that is not possible with zero point energy because it is as low as you can go.

>>16790711
They are united by trade not geopol, right now China and the USA are the closest allies if all that mattered was profit and trade.

>>16790786
whyw as the camera spinning so much? seems like it was spinning faster than even the frame rate of the video. lucky they go anyuseable footage out of that.

>>16790786
Gay and unambitious

>>16790327
Slow, well communicated and coordinated selling doesn't crater stuff but it'd take decades for how much he owns. Definitely taking loans against his net worth too.

>>16790697
Cygnus uses the Common Berthing Mechanism and Dragon the International Docking System Standard. Those aren't compatible.
>>16790701
But Cygnus actually flies occasionally.

>>16790330
>Hazard Areas
yes you are retarded
that's where it can *possibly* fall if something goes wrong, so got to keep the boat boomers out

ITS OUT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l6OUAWai-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l6OUAWai-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l6OUAWai-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l6OUAWai-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l6OUAWai-8

>>16790863
Buy an ad.

>>16790863
Faggot

>>16790863
Inhale helium gas

>space film/series/book
>planets become single homogenized entities
Are there any that avoid this?

Any good books about planetary missions done by JPL or APL? and how the missions were designed?

>>16790791
>higher energy state to a lower energy state
the enegy density in the casimir cavity is lower than outside the cavity due to it limiting the wavelengths of virtual photons that can exist there

that is why there is a net force when the plates can move.

>>16790885
so my plan is to have two rolls of metallic film and bring the films very close together so that there is a Casimir force and fix the loose ends to a peg
they films will go even closer, causing tension in the film which will pull on the rolls making them turn
energy out of nothing

>>16790887
that's not what they are doing though? he also has experimental data which shows some amount of promise along with his own attempts to come up with an alternative explanation. maybe read the paper?

https://journals.aps.org/prresearch/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.3.L022007

"Hey Hey! Whoa!"

>>16790909
lmao

Casimir force is a trap for midwits

soyuz is ded

>>16790884
Two volumes so far of this, and there are many other books on that topic from Springer Praxis. Their website is shite for searching, so try searching by Publisher on your favorite book site.

Why don't westerners give their spacecraft/rockets/stations cool names like this?

>>16790927
I just prefer Humongously Massive Depot

>>16790927
are you forgetting someone

>>16790705
Ron Cobb was so great, and his work on Alien was his peak.

>>16790662
Anon, when you see random lights like that, it usually means you have a tumor pressing down on the optical center of your brain.

>People are often excited by this one flashy architecture: going to LEO and then returning that building-sized booster back home. But rarely do they talk about this other architecture, that drops off a big upper stage with a full tank of gas headed to strategically important orbits.
What are some things Vulcan can do that FH can't?
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2025/09/15/a_tale_of_two_rockets_1134732.html

>>16790921
Checked. Make that at least four parts.

>>16790944
ULA is a terminally ill company and will be dead without kuiper

>>16790944
>What are some things Vulcan can do that FH can't?
Direct to geosynchronous.

>>16790944
ULA is the used car salesman trying to convince you that minivan he's trying to move is the perfect car for you.

>>16790951
explains why they are amazon's bitch at the moment, right? They have such great demand for direct to geo that they are booking as many kuiper launches as they can

>>16790951
bullshit

>>16790951
> A rocket designed for high-energy orbits can deliver roughly twice the payload mass to GEO, all things being equal. And it can often do so at 20 to 30 percent lower cost.

May we see your math on that?

>No!

They're really dragging this out
https://x.com/RaMansell/status/1967968912001372548

>>16790711
lol in hundred years americans will be a lot more latino than anglo so it makes a lot of sense

excuse me what? no one told me big mike was based. I take back what I said I'm fully a QIgger now.

>>16790973
Once he names the Jew, then I am on board as well.

We need to finance food for Africa's growing population

>>16790885
>the energy density in the casimir cavity is lower than outside the cavity due to it limiting the wavelengths of virtual photons that can exist there
Yes and I dealt with that at the beginning. It is not enough to drive a current.
>that is why there is a net force when the plates can move.
The plates come together, and then it over. The only way to do it again is to put energy back in to force them apart. At best you get a very shitty battery. No source of net energy.

Intelligent life on Europa and Enceladus

>>16790951
Good old ULA, always aiming for where the ball was five years ago.

>>16791037
>The plates come together, and then it over. The only way to do it again is to put energy back in to force them apart
That's not what he's doing. read the paper.

>>16791050
We follow the Conservation of Energy in this house.

>Read the paper!

No.

>>16791062
>unwilling to even read a short paper.

science is doomed

>>16791064
I also don't listen to the crazy guy ranting outside the ARCO when I'm trying to get gas and a lottery ticket. Some people deserve to be ignored.

>>16791073
read the damn paper.

This guy isn't some random quack working out of a garage, he's a professor emeritus of photonics and quantum engineering at CU Boulder. This is literally his exact field of research.

>>16790944
>What are some things Vulcan can do that FH can't?
Vertically integrated payloads until they build that new tower.

>>16791083
And Avi Loeb is a Harvard Professor. Doesn't mean he's right either, lovable as he may be.

Now, drink your glass of Polywater then go outside and play with your Dean Drive.

Polaris mission idea for you, Mr. Isaacman

>>16791099
> Other parts of the NASA moon mission are nearly ready, after their own delays and cost overruns, and are set to be subject to a full-scale flight around the moon with astronauts next year. But SpaceX’s lunar lander project is now so far behind schedule that there are increasing doubts the United States will beat China, which has its own plan with a targeted landing date of 2030, back to the moon.

nearly ready? is this true

>>16791099
Holy fucking coal, jail journals NOW

>>16791096
how the fuck are we meant to make scientific breakthroughs if every idea that goes even slightly against the grain gets ignored out of hand? why not give it a chance and dismiss only once it's been thoroughly tested and shown to not work? Why are people so opposed to new ideas in physics?

>>16791105
its mainly oldspace shills

>Mr. Loverro, Mr. Cooke and a third former senior NASA official, Daniel Dumbacher, in an opinion piece in SpaceNews this month, argued that NASA needed to devise a new plan to get quickly to the moon. “If a ‘Plan B’ is needed, that planning needs to start now,” they said, or the United States will lose the race back to the moon.

>>16791110
https://archive.is/t2gh4

>So, what can be done? First and foremost, we need ground truth – someone to “check our homework.” NASA’s Artemis program lacks any true mechanism of public scrutiny needed to verify its status, especially for its landers. So, while to us the predicament is crystal clear – that alone can’t be the basis for the bold action that will be required if we are right. NASA needs to stand up a truly independent review team immediately to provide an assessment to the acting administrator, the president, and Congress within the next 45 days because, if a “Plan B” is needed, that planning needs to start now.

the article

>>16791105
There needs to be some way to punish or otherwise sanction "journalists" who knowingly publish false or otherwise misleading information for propagandistic purposes.
Start with repealing Smith-Mundt Modernization act, at least.

> This could include reviving the earlier plan for a simple, proven lunar lander design that could be built in about five years and not require orbital refueling, the former NASA officials said.

https://republicans-science.house.gov/_cache/files/2/d/2dc97bb6-040b-4d15-ae69-6b8de637174d/448A0B95841995613C9A9B19135C104C.2024-01-17-griffin---testimony.pdf#page=4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lwLibrZFiA

>>16791099
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1nlw47e/nyt_us_is_losing_race_to_return_to_moon_critics/

Holy shit, Osiris-Apex lives
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/amid-budget-uncertainty-nasa-gets-some-good-news-use-house-funding-levels/
At least until Duffy tries to kill it

>>16791111
Yes a responsible independent reviewer might rate Starship HLS medium-low, maybe even low; perhaps it is a bit late and a bit troubling. But a good reviewer would also throw up at the absolute thought of SLS-Orion and order the whole thing canned forever. No extensions past Arty3. Hell, maybe even cancel Arty2 and Arty3 altogether with the expensive, over-budget, exorbitant money program that is the ugly orange rocket

>>16791050
>That's not what he's doing. read the paper.
I responded to your comment, which was not about the paper. You brought up the plates, I responded to that.
Also the paper is not his, and they do not claim to to be able to generate energy.

>>16791108
Now say the, "Eppur si muove!" line and we can get back to factual discussions.

>>16791110
He's a (consultant) now and racking in the no show Board appointments. So I say we trust him.

>>16790965
hey, maybe it will work
after all, it is not inconceivable that it will work as a very inefficient coil and interact with Earth's magnetic field if they orient it right

>>16791114
by 5 years they mean 5 years + delays so about 8 years, maybe 9.

>>16791126
if its going like SLS has been then that seems optimistic

>>16791129
true

the only real plan B is another round of funding for crewed lunar landers from commercial space companies.

Int machines or firefly *Might* be able to come up with a system that is far simpler and can launch 2 people to the moon on existing rockets without refueling. Multiple launches are allowed for things like transfer stages, as long as no in orbit filling is required. Just make that the requirement for the funding round.

If we had a lander that say, requires 2 FH launches, one for the lander, and one for the transfer stage, that is far simpler and more achievable than any of the current architectures.

>>16791114
Keep in mind Congress has information the public isn't privy to about the real state of affairs. This 'they're just doing Apollo' is very dangerous thinking.
Here is a pretty good piece explaining that: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article281848548.html
More info from US intel: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/NICM-Declassified-Chinese-Space-Activities-through-2030--2022.pdf
Read through the transcript of the latest testimony as well, particularly from the Space Force general.
They're investing in a lot of stuff that goes far beyond simple crew missions.

>>16791135
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/394521581_Critical_investments_in_bioregenerative_life_support_systems_for_bioastronautics_and_sustainable_lunar_exploration
also this...

>>16791132
but if they do that then they can't funnel money into oldspace contractors (which was the whole point of this excercise)

>>16791135
who is?

>>16791099
You don't hate them enough.

>>16791139
yes yes I understand that.
I really think firefly could do it in 5 years or less though. they've demonstrated the ability to land on the moon successfully with blue ghost. If they made a human rated lander that could be launched on FH and had someone like impulse space make the transfer vehicle you could have a reasonable 3 launch architecture ready by 2030. No gateway, no refilling, just orion, a helios derived transfer vehicle, and a 'Blue Spectre' lunar lander

>>16791132
I thought they already had a plan B, called Blue Moon

>>16791142
This was the exact point they put the boot down. They dragged him to Israel, showed him a baby crib they covered in cows blood and sprinkled with 5.56 casings.

Elon is bought, paid and run by them now.

>>16791147
this is plan C

>>16791150
>This was the exact point they put the boot down.
No, that was much later. They dragged him to Auschwitz when he noticed anti-white propaganda.

>>16790965
he's at least taking a very methodical, measured and cautious approach to this experiment, verifying the drive functions then slow and short bursts, before planning long duration burns apparently soon, also regularly reminding people that even he's not sure if it will work so not hyping it up all that much

Important thing is:
>the device that can possibly prove propellantless thrust has been switched on briefly already

What if it really works?

>>16791169
then there will be a paradigm shift in physics and that will be quite exciting

>>16791170
still feels too good to be true

>>16791169
>What if it really works?
Yeah and pigs will start flying.

>>16791171
ufos have to get around somehow

>>16791173
not a believer

>>16791169
>What if it really works?
What if it really doesn't?

>>16791176
then nothing changes

>>16791169
>What if it really works?
It wont.
But if it really did then buckle up for years of people saying the data is faked.
The evidence would have to be overwhelming to shift the consensus, and good luck getting the funding to prove all of that.

>>16791178
Read his thread he talks about wanting to either maintain the current altitude or increase to 100km in altitude, or something, something bold to prove it can't come from any other source like hidden thruster or something

>>16791178
>But if it really did then buckle up for years of people saying the data is faked.
Likewise, when it doesn't, buckle up for years of the True Believers™ /x/-posting about it.

>>16791172
after we strap quantum drives to them, yes

>>16791172
>she doesn't know

>>16791181
EM Drive 2.0

>The odds are low (perhaps 10-20%) given current physics, but not zero — breakthroughs often defy initial disbelief (e.g., quantum mechanics itself).

Grok's take

>>16791147
Did you really think anyone had a plan, or that the system even works anymore?
lol
If there isnt leadership who gets paid by results achieved then maybe it would work better, nobody owns that thing so nobody cares its all committee and influencers
but mostly the management are entrenched middle people who are cool with the middle pay and middle life then they get buried in a middle grave
Its becoming a joke, anything thats not direct cash flow return is a shitshow times Jew

>>16791195
Grok? The shitass AI that tells you what you want it to say by prompting it? Wow!

>>16791200
yeah I just asked "will it work" and it gave its educated and non-biased answer

>>16791203
You shouldn’t be allowed to vote if you’re too stupid to realize how this is nudging it for a hopeful answer

https://youtu.be/zjpvfDFc4fg

>nasa pagan sex rituals

>>16791206
Buy an ad nigger

>>16791205
I think its been RLHF enough to prevent that, compare the stats of sycophancy b/w Grok, Chat GPT, Claude, etc, theres an actual graph but I'm too lazy to find it rn

>>16791200
>The shitass AI that tells you what you want it to say by prompting it?
That's all AI, anon.

>>16791208
besides, 10-20% is not exactly what someone desperate for a positive answer will be happy with, its still very low

>>16791195
who the fuck cares what some LLMigger thinks

>>16791211
Just say clanker, Clanker rolls better

>>16791212
sure but LLMs are soft not hard so they don't klank.

>>16791108
Because they spent a significant part of their life learning whatever system their phd advisor taught them, and if that system is wrong, they feel like they wasted their life and therefore will do anything to pretend the system is infallible.
This is because they are not actual scientists at heart.

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>>16789704
>>16789745
Except, you know, for anything space-related.

>these are not satellites
>they were satellites

>>16791206
>>16790662
OK what the fuck I wasn't taking this video seriously until he mentioned betty hill seeing "one too many stars in the [big] dipper" like what the fuck is that. That's fucking spooky

>>16789450 (OP)
>Flight 11 will be like flight 10
>Flight 12 will be like flight 10

It's over....

>>16791251
unfortunately this is because of the transition to V3. they need to verify that all of the new systems work before attempting a catch.

>>16791252
>transition to V3
There are only 2 gender.

>>16791256
yes and the genders are superheavy and starship. this is just the upgraded superior versions of the 2 genders

>>16791173
They use traditional warp physics, not this heretical casimir nonsense.

>>16789653
Disney World cost more than the Manhattan Project, shit was just cheaper in the 1940's even when factoring inflation

Micro Fission my beloved!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwlTsa9oMM

>>16791261
speaking purely "HYPOTHETICALLY" where do you get the energy for warp shenanigans without invoking ZPE tapping though. It's beyond fusion and probably beyond matter-antimatter too.

Obviously the occupants aren't experiencing much inertia otherwise they would be turned to jelly by the 5000g accelerations, so it has to be warp or some kind of inertia management, but the energy requirements are absurd even for short duration flight at those accelerations.

>>16791267
>Obviously the occupants aren't experiencing much inertia otherwise they would be turned to jelly by the 5000g accelerations
Nah they're just built different.

>>16791262
>Yes, I am going to argue electronics were cheaper in the era of computers the size of a basketball court, full of tubes and mechanical relays -- and you can't stop me!

Can't stop you. However, won't give you the attention you desperately crave.

>>16791268
they literally look like us if you believe the witness testimony so they aren't AI or machine lifeforms. Squishy and punch-able, likely bio engineered too (why else would they have no genitals)

>>16791270
nah I mean journalists comparing things to the Manhattan Project for shock value is a bunch of bullshit. A modern large railway project costs more than that nowadays

>>16791271
>they literally look like us
How much like us?

>>16791273
enough that being naturally evolved lifeforms is not a possibility. It's something critics are quick to point out and they are entirely right in saying it's absurd for something like a grey alien to evolve naturally. The running theory among the schizos that actually researched this stuff back in the 80's and 90's is they are bioengineered workers made using human DNA as a base.

They are also literally cuckholds and jannies. They watch people fuck and clean up people's puke, piss and shit. if ever you see a grey alien remember to remind them they are cuck jannies who do it for free.

>>16791108
>how the fuck are we meant to make scientific breakthroughs if every idea that goes even slightly against the grain gets ignored out of hand?
Was cold fusion ignored? No. How about EMdrive? Nope. History is littered with claims which were investigated and debunked. People even try investigating the scams, like Rossi's ECAT, but
>why not give it a chance and dismiss only once it's been thoroughly tested and shown to not work?
People aren't rejecting the entire idea, they are usually rejecting the original experiment. If they can see obvious flaws, then the results are irrelevant.
That doesn't mean they claim to know the hypothesis is wrong, but they see no evidence to support it. Most of these ideas have no theoretical basis, so without experiment or theory, there is nothing to support it.
If you're going to propose you have measured something incredible then you better make sure your experiment is bullet proof, from a logical point of view. That is every researchers first duty, to try to rule out any doubt.
Nobody owes you their interest and time in research. It is the authors job to convince the reader that what they did is robust and interesting enough to merit replication. If it is neither then people won't waste their time.
Usually they are not, e.g. the Eagleworks EM drive paper. The errors were obvious. So why would a serious physicist try to replicate an experiment they think is bullshit? Teams did eventually follow it up, but it takes years to debunk even a simple claim.

>>16791275
Sounds horrible. Those witnesses must be schizophrenic and making shit up.
I will not accept a reality where aliens are anything but sexy and fuckable.

>>16791285
good news for you then they also make fuckable hybrid girls and you are actually forced to fuck them too.

when the fuck did an /x/ colony establish itself here? ffs first /pol/ now this

>Why are people so opposed to new ideas in physics?
Academics are flooded with new ideas, spam emails, letters and even people coming to the department to talk to you. It has gotten even worse in the last two years with LLMs like ChatGPT. Instead of one page of wild claims you get 100 pages of sophistry and meaningless babble. There is just no way to read every "idea" and respond seriously.
And then remember most of these people "publish" on youtube or a personal website where no one will see it. Even those who publish in vanity journals are not going to be seen by most physicists.
In reality a large fraction of physicists are working constantly on new ideas. People who say physicists are dogmatic have never worked in the field, half would sell their grandmother to discover something new. What most will not do is waste years trying to replicate some random claim.

>>16790973
you can just make an account and chat with him, he responds

>>16791287
its over

>>16791099
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1969492141152817636

>>16791287
Generals are a vacant lot. Random e-waste inevitably gets tossed into them.

>>16791308
to be fair I'm a firm ufo schizo and I don't buy into a lot of the obvious explainable garbage the history channel puts out. This one in particular is explainable pretty conclusively.

if you want old cases there are a few ships logs from sailors which report fireballs rising from the ocean that Richard Dolan's outlines in his work. Actual official historical documents are a lot more compelling than a story from a period of history where isolationism was the norm for Japan and stories about strangers from outside were all the rage.

>>16790927
I'd like to see a Celestialfortress

Skunk works r up to something, big reveal soon lfg

>>16791332
sr 72 has been known about for almost a decade now

>>16790927
Chinese name their shit as if they are the covenant from Halo

>>16791337
we should similarly be naming our starships as if we are the UNSC

>>16791338
Agreed.

>>16791337
lmao

>>16790927
chinese use "tian" as "space", so it's like us naming everything after space

>>16791341
or Star, oh wait

>>16791343
at least we moved away from calling it swag

>>16790008
>please oh PLEASE stop making space weapons so we chinese can win this time??
No.

>>16791258
erm... i self identify as falcon heavy (i'm fat).

>bro, chinese names
WRONG.
We should be naming space ships like the royal navy names submarines.

>>16791338
Sorry you will enjoy USSF Rosa Parks

https://spacenews.com/nasa-safety-panel-warns-starship-lunar-lander-could-be-delayed-by-years

>At a Sept. 19 public meeting, members of the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel said they believed the Human Landing System, or HLS, version of Starship could be “years late.”
>That conclusion, panelist Paul Hill said, followed a visit last month to SpaceX’s Starbase facility and meetings with company executives. Hill attended with fellow panelists and former astronauts Charlie Precourt and Kent Rominger.
>“The HLS schedule is significantly challenged and, in our estimation, could be years late for a 2027 Artemis 3 moon landing,” Hill said.
>A major issue, he said, is demonstrating cryogenic propellant transfer, needed to refuel Starship in low Earth orbit before heading to the moon. That work has been slowed by delays in version 3 of Starship — the first capable of such transfers — and by ongoing improvements to the version 3 Raptor engine.
>Hill did not detail the problems or their impact. But SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell, speaking Sept. 16 at World Space Business Week, said propellant transfer worried her more than docking Starships in orbit. “Hopefully it’s not as hard as some of my engineers think it could be,” she said.
>Despite concerns about schedule delays, panel members praised SpaceX’s accomplishments. Hill cited Falcon 9’s rapid launch tempo, driven largely by Starlink, as creating “unprecedented experience in spacecraft and booster manufacturing, launch preparation and flight operations.” The panel has previously warned of safety risks for programs with low flight rates, such as the Space Launch System and Orion.

>>16791377
>said propellant transfer worried her more than docking Starships in orbit. “Hopefully it’s not as hard as some of my engineers think it could be,” she said.

oh fuck

>>16791369
this is lame. anything less than 3 words doesn't have the aura necessary for space travel.

>>16791377
So what? Bank on ALPACA or National Team to finalize a design before starship? LOL
Revive ALTAIR with a cost-plus contract for a Starliner or Orion pressure vessel on a simple hypergolic landing bus? Fat chance.

>>16791383
just give a contract to firefly for a simple lander and a contract to impulse space or a similar company for a transfer vehicle. both launched to LEO on F9/H dock with each other in orbit, and then off to NRHO

its not hard

>>16791159
Ah my mistake checked date. It was Elon replying to someone about jews telling whites what to do but saying they themselves don't apply.

>>16791387
Even with their success I do not trust Firefly for that

>>16791400
they are the only company so far to land successfully. The other option is int machines but their lander is less easy to scale to a human rated one. you could feasibly scale up blue ghost and add an accent stage on top. I'm aware it's not nearly that simple but still

>>16791387
Give the contract to Intuitive Machines. It will be funny.

>>16791420
NASA has effectively reached this level of outlandish humor by giving BO a contract for a manned lunar lander. I imagine it will be a disaster of inexperience

>>16791383
>So what
Stick to the plan for now while preparing actual SLS replacement and lunar base for the 2030s

>>16791420
If they did another HLS funding round it would probably be between Firefly, Astrobotic, and Intuitive machines.

I do think it would work though. Give them a fixed timeline, Fixed price contract. 4 years to make a fully operational crewed lander with a decent and accent vehicle, or if possible, a single stage lander to keep things simple. Make the restrictions that it must be a simple design capable of carrying exactly 2 people to and from the lunar surface from NRHO and be launchable on existing launchers without refueling. Reusability should not be a requirement since the goal here is speed and reliability.

Same could apply to the transfer stage if necessary. falcon heavy fully expended should be able to yeet a light enough lander all the way to NRHO by itself so it may not be necessary. They are using it to put gateway into NRHO after all.

>>16791433
Yup my thoughts exactly.
Although small little blackpill: it's looking like congress and the public and 47 and duffy don't really care to be ambitious. I like isaacman's idea of doing a lunar base and a manned mars program. Wish the USA could rally and be interested in doing both. I want 10 - 20 people on the moon

>>16791430
The one boon to BO is that since it's such a lax workplace they have a load of oldheads from other companies like SpaceX and the plethora of oldspace companies. New Shepard was designed by people who had direct experience working on the dela clipper for example. I bet Blue Alechemist was designed by the kind of oldheadswho would have been working with Robert Zubrin at Martin when they were building ISRU machines. The BO luanranders probably have loads of people who worked on Altair for constellation.

>>16791440
And I'm supposed to believe this talent is the reason new glenn is working so well? Oh wait

>>16791435
Ironically SpaceX could easily build the lander, but Musk personally won't allow it. Itwoud be easy to make a simple 2 stage lander sent out on 2 falcon heavies. Even ifyou expend the cores and boosters it will be cheaper than starship.

>>16791444
They are slow as fuck because they work a third as much as spacex employees, but what is wrong with New Glenn? Seems to work fine. Failed the first landing attempt, just like Falcon and Superheavy. BO will nail it by flight 3.

>>16791446
They would be good at it but it would spread their team thin. They are already looking to make ISS deorbit vehicle as absolutely simple as possible using parts they already have. And I don't think they want to really do Dragon XL either if they can help it

>>16791438
the current moon base plans are literally "what if we put wheels on an ISS module"
kinda pathetic. They want to put a nuclear reactor on the moon. to power what? get some fucking inflatables up in there.

>>16791435
We already have two moonlanders for what will be, at most, a single flag and footprints in 2035 before Artemis closes down for good. Do we really need more landers for one mission?

>>16791453
rock climbing on the moon sounds fun