Thread 16814037

Is the entire AI industry bullshit? It seems to me like analog or ideally tissue based computing would be the way to get something resembling artificial general intelligence to actually work.
Logic gates are for hard math, not thinking.

>>16814037 (OP)
>Is the entire AI industry bullshit?
If by "AI industry" you mean marketable consumer products and profitable business models based on simulating and replacing human intelligence, then players on every level of this "industry" have already spoken publicly about it being a giant scam about to burst. If by "AI industry" you mean malicious state actors burning money in a mad race to establish the first ML-based panopticon system, then I have some bad news for you: players on every level of this "industry" have already spoken publicly about its inevitability.

>>16814037 (OP)
>Fuzzy Logic, FTW!
OP, please. No one is moving to Yalta with you to start a Men Only Thinkers Club.

>>16814056
All of human civilization was built on fuzzy logic

>>16814049
I know China is trying very hard to build a panopticon but it doesn't seem to be working out so well

>>16814067
All human civilization is built upon a small section of our frontal lobes that finds parabolas beautiful and explosions funny.

>>16814071
They sold the units as "investment properties" and then the bubble burst.
Bag holders left holding bag. Oldest story of Capitalism.

>>16814071
>>16814091
The genius of Jobs was understanding that if you made the Panopticon fashionable, people would pay thousands for their own personal telescreens and would worry every moment that they weren't being watched.

>>16814091
China's housing crisis is totally unrelated to surveillance

>>16814037 (OP)
>is a trillion dollar industry bullshit
not sure chud

>>16814215
Yeah Lehman Brothers and Cysco are proud institutions that would never be at the center of a bubble

>>16814071
>I know China ...
Stopped reading. This is a spambot unleashed to derail the discussion about said panopticon with fake geopolitics slop.

>>16814037 (OP)
Not the entire one, but some of the companies tied around OpenAI is. The OpenAI company is selling itself to establish itself like a crackwhore from a $1 backyard alley.

The question is why would the leadership of the company sell itself like this irresponsibly? The answer is because its not their company. So they are doing what they want as they know US court will find them as defrauding their core investor.

>>16814218
>muh bubble
no such thing chud

>>16814218
>comparing 2 companies to entire market
dont think so chud

>>16814251
It's a ponzi scheme, basically. They need to keep coming up with ways to justify early investments of however many hundred million, so then they get an investment for a billion that proves it to the first guy, and now they've snowballed it to having half a trillion in investments with negligible real world use.

>>16814037 (OP)
all AI is just math and only takes a few transistors to hold a programmable weight

neurons are huge compared to current 2nm processes and bio grids with more neurons than electrodes are basically pointless

>>16814037 (OP)
>Is the entire AI industry bullshit?
Why would it be?

>It seems to me like analog or ideally tissue based computing would be the way to get something resembling artificial general intelligence to actually work.
Okay. Why?

>Logic gates are for hard math, not thinking
Okay. Why?

>>16814049
>business models based on simulating and replacing human intelligence, then players on every level of this "industry" have already spoken publicly about it being a giant scam about to burst. If by "AI industry" you mean malicious state actors burning money in a mad race to establish the first ML-based panopticon system,
the irony is that relativity rules and panopticons are cucked. they are throwing so much at monitoring people's each and every individual thought yet they can't even search through them because the LLM hits the context limit at 500,000 people and they're so lazy they can't even write a regex script.
I'm more concerned about big players having access to uncensored video models cause they do work unlike LLMs, since motion pictures often contain montages of illusionary continuity you take for granted how much suspense of disbelief you can create to watch a movie.

>>16814037 (OP)
AI is the future and it has already expanded productivity 100x.

>>16814049
That pic rel is the summary of Indians hindpoofags intelligence lmfao

>>16814037 (OP)
Oh well if it seems like that to you I guess we'll redirect all the funding to that then

>>16815556
And with absolutely no consumer spending, very impressive

>>16814037 (OP)
its at least as useful as search engines and gives better results, it should also change the movie, TV and publishing industries. These are just easy pickings
Looking forward to Sonichu the animated series

>>16814098
No one actually wants to live in a Panopticon, Anon. Influencers aren't real.

>>16816042
THIS!!! OMFG, THIS!

>>16816077
Again I do not see how these are related at all
Are people just saying random things now

>>16816042
>its at least as useful as search engines and gives better results
Yeah that sounds like it's worth 8 trillion dollars

>>16816080
>i don't get it
No one is going to sign a lease and pay rent to live in a Panopticon cube, Anon. Stop being a disingenuous twat. Your juvenile masturbation fantasies are juvenile.

>>16816081
Google is worth 2.6 trillion, and thats just one of the uses of AI. It could change all media, book writing, software, take a bite out of the legal industry, engineering. What isnt affected so much, as always, is manual labor.

>>16816077
>No one actually wants to live in a Panopticon
I do. Its one of my oldest fantasies. A cop in every corner and nearly impossible street crime.

>>16816103
Cool it with the Grindr fan fiction.
DM me a link, please.

>>16816102
>It could change all media
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>>16816111
I swear to God the people who think the general public wants to spend money to watch AI movies are actual lizard people who don't understand entertainment at all

>>16816145
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WE PREDICT YOU'LL SEE IT!

>>16816001
Wrong. Many consumers are spending money for AI tokens. They need them in order for AI to execute more complicated tasks for them, such as painting, writing books, composing music, playing video games, all so that the human has more time to work.
More money spent and higher productivity obtained!

>>16816102
Google search results were much better before AI. Stop looking for other words than the ones I wrote in the search box REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

>>16816153
It today's news:
PlotWise, a publicly available AI owned by Google has generated another hit movie. The story is predicted to bring massive profits to the company in the next quarter. As usual, the user who created the prompt from which the movie was generated has been listed in the credits.
YOU WILL LOVE IT!

>>16816577
google started to become unusable before the AI integration, they made the standard algo woke and literally would not deliver certain results without actually putting words in quotes, when you never had to do it before

>>16814049
fpbp. AI that replaces human intelligence would also replace human labor, which would make it fundamentally incompatible with capitalism. As such, it cannot be developed to completion under capitalism. It does stand to partially replace human labor though (like any form of automation), however it will likely come out that the cost is not worth the capability, and thus the bubble will burst.
Development of a panopticon is extremely compatible with capitalism though.

>>16816042
>Looking forward to Sonichu the animated series
Spazkid already made that

>>16816869
Stop saying capitalism

>>16816869
You have Schizophasia

>>16816869
>the cost is not worth the capability
And that's why, through familiarization and marketing, they are currently training people to accept the capabilities of "AI" as being adequate.
If a chink makes a shitty product, you at least expect it to be extra cheap. If AI makes a shitty product, you make a soiface and pay extra.

>>16816839
Yeah, but now it's like that for all words.
To be honest, I think they were already using AI back then, it just wasn't complete.

>>16816869
>AI that replaces human intelligence would also replace human labor, which would make it fundamentally incompatible with capitalism.
They don't care. "Capitalism" was only useful to the global oligarchy as a transitional stage to help establish the necessary technological infrastructure for centralized soft control and as a "productive" alternative to more destructive methods of monopolizing this planet's resources (i.e. perpetual wars between countless petty "lords").

>>16817408
Google is bad because of SEO, has nothing to do with A.I. Chatgpt simply gives better results

>>16817444
SEO is not related to intentionally showing results for different words than you searched for, and even showing those words in bold so you know how much it fucked up.

>>16816602
>in the future, huge multinational corporations will make everything free
>it'll be great
Capt. Fatty McFatface of the USS Fatship in Wall-e, l presume. Fatty.

>>16814087
parabolas are not beautiful and domes are fucking ugly

>>16815556
It has increased my students ability to skip thinking for themself and just copy/paste an ai-answer so they can play more games on their state supplied ipads. Future consoomers right there.

>>16821045
Found the subhuman.

>>16814037 (OP)
it has a core promise that hasnt been realised but is likely possible/probable and also has a thick layer of grifters, middlemen and hype artists that are desperate to suck as much money from investors as possible.

>>16814037 (OP)
The implementation details are irrelevant, what matters is the quality of the output.

>>16816869
>fpbp. AI that replaces human intelligence would also replace human labor, which would make it fundamentally incompatible with capitalism.
i have seen this argument before but it's never been seriously supported, it's just "because AI will render labor obsolete it cannot exist with capitalism"
capitalism is essentially bartering with humans for their labor. we do this because to do things, we need labor, people would rather do anything than work, and so we must incentivize work with money. people have bills to pay so they need money. this arrangement benefits both the capitalist and the employee since they both get something out of the arrangement. it's an imperfect arrangement because the employer is incentivized to exploit the laborer as much as possible at the bottom, where labor is plentiful and retention is not important (because talent is a null factor or minimally relevant).

if robots begin doing all the labor, then there is no longer a need to extract labor value from humans. and since the robot does not demand a wage, and the jobless masses will vote for it, we can turn some of that surplus wealth into a UBI so that everyone can still survive in a capitalist system, without the need to work for those $$$.

>>16821499
>the jobless masses will vote for it, we can turn some of that surplus wealth into a UBI
what kinda American communistoid fanfiction is that? Do you actually think Zuck, Elong and all the other soon-to-be-killed would turn down the 200th yacht of their floating city for what? universal basic income for the masses? so they wouldn't need to deliver food and shit?
You might have also realized that in its history of more than a hundred years, voting has never toppled any ruling class anywhere, in fact, voting is just the participation medal for the masses so the dumbest of them believe they have a say while magically never being able to vote for one of themselves

>>16821548
when unemployment tips 50% there will be a real galvanistic push for relief
politicians will be well aligned to deliver, they just need to squeeze the AI companies for some of that sweet lucre or tax their productive income/tax the robots/whatever
the will want to be the person who provided relief in a time of unmitigated crisis.
now i am no fool; i know their first instinct will not be just cash payments to everyone in perpetuity, because they are overeducated morons they will try to engineer some wonkish welfare scheme. it will be on voters to demand a UBI, no frills, no bullshit, no work requirements. with federal revenues exploding from unchecked increases in productivity, there will be no reason not to do so; eventually a politician is going to catch on and they'll be rewarded generously for freeing 360m Americans from the yoke of work. maybe we'll crown him king or something.
>historical precedent
literally does not apply to the singularity since conditions are so completely detached from anything preceeding it.