Thread 16820785

Why have university degrees become worthless?

>>16820785 (OP)
Ex-UCSB education professor here.
The higher education act of 1960 introduced the system of college accreditation. College accreditators were drawn exclusively from admin staff, who insisted that colleges should have more admin staff, who insisted that accreditors should have more admin staff, who insisted that colleges should have more admin staff, who insisted...
This self-reinforcing loop eventually hit the problem that there wasn't enough money for admin salaries. The solution was to get way more students, by watering down standards and firing any professor who insisted on standards.
This has been allowed to keep going without interruption.

>>16820785 (OP)
Worthless university degrees have always been worthless.

>>16820793
You would think it would not happen because theres no economic incentive for more students to go to university, its a big expense with negative returns if you factor the lost income of spending years in school. Why do students go for it?

>>16820849
people will pay to learn, if they have few opportunities. college was like day care for me, but i was a kid whom nobody would hire. u take the blue pill but u pay up the nose later, it was so scary entering the job market

>>16820849
Employers use a degree as a proxy for basic literacy, numeracy and IT skills.

>>16820785 (OP)
ive never met a girl that wanted dino cock this bad

>>16820849
it's a tragedy of the commons. college degrees were marketable because they were rare (i.e., educated specialtise). now that expertise is becoming diluted, and with the declining high school standards college has become the new high school.

they always were. people who had them in the past were NEET monks

My grandfather went with me to my physics class. He had a physics degree from UCLA and graduated in 1952 with his masters. He went from there to Jet Propulsion Laboratory where he met my grandmother living in LA and I trust my grandfather far more than I trust random 4chan dipshit.

I took him to my physics class at his request (I was a geology major) and during lecture he leaned over and asked "Is this a graduate level course?" and I said no, this is standard. He was extremely confused. "Why are they teaching graduate level physics?" I couldn't answer him. I later took him to my physics lab class and he instantly loved it. He immediately told me that this is what college physics was like in 1950. I told him this was a half credit lab class that wasn't required for graduation. He then stayed after for 30 minutes talking to the lab teacher, an elderly gentlemen who was about 20 years younger than my grandfather.

At the end of it he asked "Why are they teaching such hard physics? I went to the moon with a physics degree with less!" He was pissed as hell. I had to explain to my grandfather that these classes are built to "weed out" students which made him even more pissed. Why would a school want less physics students?

So. To explain 100% what went wrong. Companies don't train workers anymore. They haven't seriously trained workers since the 1980s. We went from an average of 2 weeks minimum training to an average of 4 hours. That isn't even a joke, it's actually true. What companies are doing is turning over the cost of training to the employees. Which has made it far, far more difficult for universities to keep up. Universities have had to add in shit tons of classes for the same degree. We've also increased the difficulty of entry level courses in order to filter out students because there's less demand for many subjects such as chemistry, physics and math. The effect has been devastating, with universities trying to train a worker for 300 different jobs.

>>16820903
So, if you want to actually fix universities stop treating them as training centers and start training at the employment level. I had a job interview last year for a geology job that involved overseeing the drilling of building foundations for a geology company in Salt Lake City. The company asked me immediately "Do you have training on this type of equipment?" And I had to explain that my training was primarily using geoprobes, which is a direct push drilling device for taking soil samples. He told me "We don't have time to train you. If you want this job go work in a mine for 2 years. Then you can learn the equipment." This is the state of shit. Nobody wants to train workers anymore.

The fuck I would. I have years of experience using a geoprobe. A. Why the fuck would I abandon that? B. Why the fuck wouldn't you spend a week training me on the equipment you use asshole. They're related.

So if you're serious about fixing universities stop refusing to train employees and take us back to the age where degrees were valuable for general knowledge again.

>>16820904
Wrong. The Purpose of the University is to Train Economic Actors. It is just More Efficient this Way. If you don't like it Start a Business.

>>16820882
You just know she shoves ancient bones into her vegoni.

>>16820785 (OP)
Are you an archaeologist? Because I've got a bone to examine!

>>16820785 (OP)
pic rel's degree wasn't useless though, she can now use it as a prop to distinguish herself in the overly saturated online tho t business

>>16820926
No. The problem is that you can't put the economic cost of employment on the people who have no money. This is reflected in the fact that we have too few employees in many companies while at the same time having high unemployment. It's not efficient, it's sacrificing long term gains for short term ones and is the economic equivalent of a lobotomy.

>>16820926
Its obviously not efficient to spend many years of your life at peak health not working nor doing training related to work. These years matter, this is why the govt wants to delay pension age to get some more labor out of old people.

>>16820785 (OP)
>paleontologist phd
basically toilet paper on par with an African studies PhD I'm sad to say(jurassic park connoisseur)

>>16820849
Economic considerations aren't the only thing students are thinking about when deciding if they should go to a university. For many, and probably most, the social atmosphere, including potential access to sex, is more important than the theoretical earnings increase over a career's lifetime.

>>16820903
what made him think it's grad level?

>>16820785 (OP)
Same reason blue collar wages haven't budged in decades: immigrants.

>>16821205
who approved those people to come nimrod?

>>16821036
Well men are making the practical choice in seeing they have negative infinity % chance of access to sex so universities are going to be 200% women in 5 years. There will always be enough adult daycare jobs in STEM to go around for the women

>>16820785 (OP)
Wasn't part of women going to college so they wouldn't have to whore themselves out for a living? Clearly, they've actually enjoyed it all along.

Show me the male equivalent of this and it being "tolerated" with such enthusiasm.

>>16820793
This also to keep the """Student Loan""" death trap full of fresh victims. The more people you let into school, the more will need to take out loans, so the more you will get stuck in the debt-death spiral, all whilst preaching "Progress!" and "Getting ahead!".

Meanwhile, a plumber has the biggest, nicest house on a street full of Surgeons. (I'm not kidding).

>>16821212
you're jumping into the formula half way through. you have to trace from the beginning:

power-hungry cunts want more power > decide socialism is ideal to trick the masses into slavery > spend decades undermining academics and politics with their poison ideology > convince the public that criticizing immigration policy or inferior cultures is 'racist' > (you are here) > mass immigration decreases group cohesion and increases competition for work/housing/etc. making people desperate to be 'saved' by the state > power-hungry cunts establish a supreme state to 'save' the public with shackles > organized mass resistance impossible due to cultural conflicts > 100+ years of woe

>>16820785 (OP)
Demand for a valuable item increased so the quality of the item was dropped to keep pricing and production ahead of demand. Value plummeted.
Irony is that you probably majored in economics and don't understand anything I said.

>>16820785 (OP)
i'd eat her poop

then there's me pointlessly trying to get my physics bs after 10 years of work

>>16821036
these people should not have their loans forgiven
it's a moral hazard

they should be required to pay for their vacation

i guess its normal for americans to tell the world they graduated but never from which university. a naive foreigner would think they are smart as fuck because mit, stanford, harvard and more top tier universities exist in their country but little they know most americans graduate from low tier universities that do not demand that much academic excellency to pass the semesters
a graduated from Yale will always have a valuable degree
a graduated from random university #3271 will have a "worthless" degree

>>16821451
How good are ivy leagues for undergrad STEM compared to regular schools? From what i have heard, the students are a mix of mediocre legacy people with connections and very gifted commoners. The teachers tend to be top researchers with many awards, does any of that matter in undergrad?

>>16821458
i dont know bro im not from usa. but this phenomenon of zoomies calling university degrees worthless is because many people are just graduating from bottom tier universities, then applying for jobs with their degree and facing the reality of people discriminating bottom tier university graduates because bottom tier university graduates have the stigma of being lazy bums, incompetent or unprepared.

Because we allowed women to go in.

>>16820849
Low impulse control, intelligence etc. Youth and dysgenic population.

>>16821422
Their creditors should not be bailed out for endebting middling intelligence teenagers.

>>16820785 (OP)
She doesn’t have a Ph.D by the way. Her entire account is reddit factoids and ai slop where she frequently gets things wrong. She popped up on my feed a while ago seething about people in the comments telling her that she was wrong about saying pterosaurs were closer to lizards than dinosaurs (they aren’t) and that they’re just mad because she’s a woman. Then when a woman who also runs a dino page told her that she was wrong she immediately belittled her

>>16820785 (OP)
>>16822373
How large is the gooner dino nerd community that somebody can make a living on onlyfans by pretending to have a Ph.D in paleontology?

>>16822379
Larger than you would expect. Remember Dino nerds are all man children and usually virgins

>>16820849
Because kidfs are naive and have no idea what they're getting themselves into because they don't have any real experience.

Grim

>>16820793
>College accreditators were drawn exclusively from admin staff, who insisted that colleges should have more admin staff, who insisted that accreditors should have more admin staff, who insisted that colleges should have more admin staff, who insisted...
That sounds like that "6 stages of company life and death" graph that gets posted here and there kek. The connecting factor of course being administrative overhead/expenses. If they are kept under wraps the company will grow and thrive. Once they start overtaking everything else it's gg and the company is in a death spiral.
Replace "company" for organization/nation/government and you spot some interesting similarities lmao.

>>16822373
This world is cooked when all whores learn how to argue like policitians. They'll replace the geriatrics and handlers with whores and pimps to paint whatever narrative they want.

>>16820785 (OP)
I don't have a PhD but I make dino videos too! Drop by for a visit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jldoqbT9gZ8

>>16825528
Listen here little baby. You're gonna get a lot of hurtful and degrading comments, but that ain't what I'm about. Let me just say, you are perfect the way you are. You hear me sugar? PERFECT. Don't ever change. You deserve anything and everything you want. Stay safe for me, baby girl. >mfw thinking of you hurting

In 1987.

>>16825528
You’re already doing better than the twitter user in OPs pic

>>16822373
cope

>>16825528
You speak like your hymen is still fully intact.