Thread 16822056

Gradatim Ferociter - edition

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>>16822056 (OP)
First for Rocket Factory Augsburg

https://x.com/Blobifie/status/1980171400032981135
>South Korean launch company, Innospace, has received the launch license for its "Hanbit-Nano" rocket & is targeting a 32 day launch window starting on the 28th! Innospace's "Spaceward" mission will carry 8 small satellites & will launch from the Brazilian Alcântara Space Center!

Third for Félicette, first and only cat in space <3

Why doesn't Britain launch from here?

>>16822070
Intercontinental space is hard.

>>16822070
It's Br*tain who we are talking about. Wouldn't surprise if Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha somehow gain independence and get to keep the launch site for themselves lmao

https://x.com/JackKuhr/status/1980349460279349600

Locksneed wants in

>Featuring Bob from Bob n' Doug

would be funny if they rushed an Apollo retread and astronauts died

is it the fate of all astronauts to retire and either try into politics or become corporate tools for oldspace primes

Let's say China launch first, they land on the Moon and then they get back to Lunar orbit and the engiens aren't working anymore and they can't go back, will USA attempt to rescue them? Will they do Artemis 3 while Chinese astronauts are dying in their little capsule?

>>16822075
Lockheeb is way better than Boeing cause they're actually competent

>>16822080
>will USA attempt to rescue them?
of fucking course. hell, I can already picture musk/spacex doing the entire rescue mission for free. imagine the publicity.

SpaceX will never be one of the primes. Everyone in defense hates them.
t. worked on F-35 program

>>16822085
because they make everyone else look like clowns in comparison

why does he want a moon landing during his term so badly anyway? it would be a nothingburger that the american public would forget about in two weeks anyway. doesn't really appeal to vanity

>>16822084
we will have it ready in 12 years for 1billion I mean 2 billion I mean 4 billion dollars.

Pay no attention to the exotic space dorito in the back that's just a mockup.

>>16822088
wait what? xAI is already at a $113B valuation? man, this elon guy will become a trillionaire in no time.

>>16822092
haaang on, I just found out X was bought by xAI earlier this year. wtf, I've been away from the twitter drama for too long.

>>16822092
there has been some news about them trying to raise at 200bil, but not sure what the official number is
113b was after merging with X

>>16822083
I wonder if China would refuse. It would be an absolute death blow to their image.

The original 1s still remember Solar City.

>>16822088
How in the ever living fuck is OAI more valuable than SX? Do kikes really believe this is sustainable in the long run?

>>16822084
It's the Crew Demo astronaut. Et tu.

>>16822100
>death blow to their image.
Refusing help would be an even worse move for their image.
>but they could just conceal the truth about the incident
Yeah, no. It would leak immediately, this is not the early 60s anymore.

>>16822109
>>16822112
this would be such a cool rocket at 1/8 the cost

>>16822109
ESA?

>>16822063
Ma'am, this is a spaceflight thread

>>16822070
Once they start buying their own starships to own and operate they will simply take the dv hit and launch from Scotland

>>16822092
Huh, turns out his fortune did reach a number of $500B just two weeks ago. Halfway there, it's that easy in mone-ry.

>>16822104
Once the software/AI bubble pops only companies that produce actual products will be left standing. Which I guess will mostly be China and Spacex/Tesla. With debt being leveraged on gdp the US will absolutely be fucked when all it's cuckware companies turn out to be pointless

kind of doubt Jared is going to become the administrator at this point
or if he is, its after all the big decisions have already been made and set into motion so he can't do anything
massive pork contracts that last much longer than Jareds term would

>>16822123
Doesn’t matter to me anymore. He gave duffy his blueprint when he was originally given the boot out the door. And just like DOGE, everyone with authority saw those plans and scoffed. Even if they let him in (and make no mistake, they will make it clear that they are ALLOWING him the opportunity) they will have a leash on the whole situation.
The future isn’t with NASA anyways—it lies with SpaceX. Artemis is not sustainable for anything past artemis III and you aren’t going to change that without a heart of iron and the political will to change Trump’s mind directly. How is the latter possible when the Don already brushed you out of DC like an inconvenient speckle of dust on the shoulder

>>16822120
Beños should have gone into AI, he could have kept up
(also to not cheat on his wife for a goblina)

>>16822128
>anything past artemis III
>change Trump’s mind
Trump will be gone before Artemis III can happen, much less anything past it.

>>16822129
Trust the plan, son. AmazonAI cooming soon.

Oh look, it's back to flying like a brick.

>>16822138
they turned it back off

>>16822138
trust the plan

>>16822112
>>16822109
>>16822108
we should've been at this point a decade ago

>>16822138
https://www.satcat.com/sats/63235

It actually looks like they've turned it back on after letting it drift down 1km

>>16822084
>Throughout the year, [we] have been performing significant technical and programmatic analysis...
Sounds like something I'd say back in uni when asked how my project is going, and then immediately called out on my bullshit.

would be kind of funny if orion and sls were the actual long poles for artemis 3 (not that unlikely) and SpaceX just did the whole moon landing mission by themselves with private astronauts
I wonder if NASA tried to find a way to block that? Musk might get the president convinced if it mean that the moon landing happened during Trumps term

>>16822151
woops that screenshot was after messing around with the zoom levels and stuff

>>16822126
Girls with guns will never not be cringe

https://youtu.be/_lhNJcxUiXg
I found this video today and really liked it. This guy has a whole playlist of edits like this one for each Starship launch.

buy an ad

>>16822157
The best shot a woman ever took, she yelled “TASER TASER TASER” right before

>>16822126
why did musk date this uggo again

>>16822162
He's autistic

>>16822154
>>16822146

The fact that the orbital period continues to decrease tells you the orbit is still decaying, at pretty much the same rate it was before.

Remember that the company claimed this thing would raise it's orbit by 100 km.

average day in america

>>16822172
>at pretty much the same rate

Nope. It's orbital period actually hasn't decayed below 94.735 minutes since yesterday

>>16822181
here's an orbital period comparison of another cubesat from Transporter 13 with no thruster onboard

>>16822181
If you look at the full plot >>16822138 you can see the rate of decay is not constant even before the test began. It varies.

>>16822192
Error bar drive with tape outgassing afterburners lmao

>>16822186
Which has a different ratio of surface area to mass. Also your scales are unequal.

>>16822195
>Also your scales are unequal.
yeah I just noticed, it does start to look more like just drag variation atp now

>>16822188
Sure, who's going to fund it?

>>16822194
Also remember that the spacecraft has another payload on board which is a water based thruster. No exotic physics. IVO never mentioned this. The company has been pretty opaque about this, and about the testing schedule.

https://www.nanosats.eu/sat/otp-2
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60272.0;attach=2306196

>>16822172
>Remember that the company claimed this thing would raise it's orbit by 100 km.
>>16822138
>>16822146
>>16822151
>>16822154
>>16822181
schizos looking for the tiniest sign of change, not even knowing what dates it was turned on or off

>>16822197
This is just data collection bro, have you ever done a physics lab? Plotting discrete points of data rarely gives you a picture-perfect outcome. Not to mention a little shitsat isn’t going to get you ideal measurements either. It’s just the way data collection goes

>>16822203
Yeah I know, Rogue Space is silent about that and when it was tested but we know from McCullough and Mansell that as of September they are strictly testing the IVO drive only. It may be that the firestar was tested first to lose some mass from the water and it may be that it didn't fire at all but nothing we can know

>>16822206
>not even knowing what dates it was turned on or off
you're more clueless than me

>>16822201
just use the budget for SLS, Orion and Gateway for it
should be plenty

okay NASA really is sticking with the February Artemis II launch date it seems

>>16822222
Quints confirm

>>16822223
its a slow board outside of /sci/ see
>>16822224

>>16822223
its a slow board outside of /sfg/ see >>16822226

>>16822225
>>16822229
watch and learn, kid >>16822231

>>16822231
i kneel

>>16822112
Oh shit I never realised that they actually had hardware already stacked

>>16822233
>>16822233
>>16822233
>>16822233

>>16822233
you and like 90% of the US

>>16822235
>>16822235
>>16822235

>Artemis II launching in February
>night launch
>literally no different views from Artemis I

SLS is a troll rocket

/sfg/ - /super fail general/

>>16822091
If you give them 100 billion immediately it would be done in less than 5 minutes. NASA would be butt fucking retarded not to take this deal

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980394538347946408

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/nasas-acting-leader-seeks-to-keep-his-job-with-new-lunar-lander-announcement/
>There are a couple of significant takeaways from this interview. First is the public acknowledgement by a senior NASA official that the space agency’s current timeline of a 2027 landing is completely untenable. And secondly, the timing of Duffy’s public appearances on Monday morning seems tailored to influence a fierce, behind-the-scenes battle to hold onto the NASA leadership position.

>>16822128
>Jared leashed to NASA Admin for 3 years when he can't change or do anything

I don't think he would accept that

>>16822241
>Duffy has appeared to enjoy the limelight that comes with leading NASA. In the future, one source said, “Duffy wants to be president.” The NASA position has afforded him greater visibility, including television appearances, to expand his profile in a positive way. “He doesn’t want to give up the job,” the source added.

so duffy wants to use this as a platform for to further his political career
very gay

>>16822238
SLA-chan has self esteem issues like every girl I sleep with.
>No anon, don't turn on the lights! Don't look at me!

>>16822243
yeah but also
>never mention the moon or Artemis for months now
>latest SpaceX streams don't bother to mention Artemis just show Mars
>the instant their position as winners of the Artemis III contract is threatened Elon is suddenly obsessed about and talking about the moon again

I find it so funny, oh wow now you care

>>16822246
why would they need to mention the moon?

>>16822241
>Duffy also cites “maybe others” getting involved. This refers to a third option. In recent weeks, officials from traditional space companies have been telling Duffy and the chief of staff at the Department of Transportation, Pete Meachum, that they can build an Apollo Lunar Module-like lander within 30 months. Amit Kshatriya, NASA’s associate administrator, favors this government-led approach, sources said.

JARED SAVE US

>>16822249
Lol Duffy is getting conned and he is falling for it

>>16822243
Motherfucker will hold onto the NASA admin role for his own political gain without caring about NASA itself as an organization in need of reform and actual leadership like Jared would

Duffy+oldspace alliance vs. Jared and newspace that's what its all coming down to

>>16822244
I wonder if she'll ever fly outside of Artemis 1-3

lobbyists will sabotage Jareds nomination if he gets it again btw, they have deeper pockets. it's so over for NASA

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980402022458486988

>Duffy wants to put NASA under DOT

>>16822264
I’m sure there are some good arguments for this, but I can’t help but feel like Duffy is a self-serving faggot

>>16822275
he is, he won't serve NASA at all just his own interests

>>16822253
I would make her watch as I fuck Starshipgirl

>>16822194
kek, true
I heard there's work on a stopped-taking-my-lithium drive

>>16822244
You should start dating less ugly women

Headline: SpaceX Failures Imperil NASA Return to Moon

>>16822288
I mean, that headline is factually true, they are behind schedule.

>>16822288
Jarvis enhance

>>16822070
Broke, head of state’s a closet homosexual Chinese agent, violent ethnic conflict years away, dwindling industry, brain drain, regulatory outlawing of entrepreneurship, 60% income tax + 20% VAT…
Multiple existential crises, all lethal; and you want them to into space?

>Starship, picked by NASA in 2021 under a contract now worth $4.4 billion, faces a 2027 moon landing deadline that agency advisers estimate could slip years behind schedule, citing competing priorities.

The rest of Artemis won't be ready by 2027, so can we stop playing make believe?

NASA needs a complete restructuring where Congress doesn't control the purse from POTUS administration to administration where directives can swing wildly, and there also needs to be check-and-balances to internally regulate it so liberal academics don't seize full control and make it the eternal climate science administration. It should get a flat budget for manned spaceflight (Stations, Moon, and Mars), Earth Sciences, Telescopes, and Solar System exploration probes. Money that isn't spent should be able to get banked and saved.
It's also not the 1970s anymore... NASA's existence was good for building the Saturn V and getting man on the moon. These days it needs to function more like a customer with lots of money to throw at the private market, and as an insurance developer who can front money to do raw R&D that would benefit all the smaller companies

>>16822249
>Amit Kshatriya, NASA’s associate administrator, favors this government-led approach, sources said.
A COST PLUS contract will fix this, bro. Pls bro, don't you want to beat china bro. Give me the cost plus contract and the government will be in charge. Bro pls bro.

>>16822306
>the eternal climate science administration
isnt NOAA supposed to do that shit anyway

>>16822307
The 30/30/30 deal:
$30 billion, contract goes out next January. You must provide the name of 30 top engineers and managers at your company. You have a hard deadline of December 31, 2030. Public gallows with thirty slots will be built on the lawn at KSC. If your lander is not ready by the deadline, treason charges

>>16822292
>violent ethnic conflict years away
an optimist, I see

>>16822291
Excellent work

>>16822288
You don't hate journalists enough. You think you do, but you don't.

>>16822316
no matter how many times I read this sentence it's true.

https://archive.ph/TLW87#selection-1571.0-1571.391

>She provided more details in a separate statement late in the day Oct. 20. “NASA’s Human Landing System program has given both SpaceX and Blue Origin the opportunity to present acceleration approaches by Oct. 29,” she stated. “NASA is also going to request plans from the entire commercial space industry – through an RFI – for how NASA can increase the cadence of our mission to the moon.”

Refueling Starship in orbit, tossing it toward the Seventh Planet, then using the ship to aerobrake in the Uranian atmosphere.

Go big or go home.

>>16822322
All I'm seeing here is a very thinly veiled plea for NASA to fund research into alternative RTG designs that don't use plutonium

Adding to the urgency, allies of Isaacman had heard Trump could make a decision announcing a NASA leader nominee as early as Monday.

A White House official said “when a final decision has been made, it will be announced directly by President Trump.”

>>16822323
zeno power

>>16822327
So this is why Duffy went out with this announcement today, its all disgusting politicking

>>16822327
this is what winning looks like btw

man I bet Elon feels like a real idiot now for criticizing and campaigning briefly against Trumps Big Bill

>>16822222
They gonna die
https://youtu.be/xV25ol-NedQ?t=373

>>16822330
Horrendously disgusting of him if true, lol

>>16822336
If jared gets the nomination then elon is literally the biggest winner ever

>>16822342
he had in the bag in May then had to go and fuck it all up, giving Gor the win

Starships issue is reentry. Human rating Starship for reentry will be tough.

Would you want to belly flop, and then rely on computer control not making even a tiny miscalculation on a suicide burn?

Likely starship will carry a more conventional vehicle inside like dragon capsule for astronaut reentry.

>>16822252
Trump will can Duffy and reinstall Jared simply because he doesn't like people acting too big for their boots

I hate to derail the thread with /pol/sperging but
>1960's right-wingers: We need to get to beat these fucking commies to the moon! *carries out the greatest streak of scientific innovation in human history and sends men to the fucking moon*
>2020's rightoids: Acktually the earth is FLAT, space is FAKE, how bout that LIBTURDS? *retcons the White man's greatest achievement just to clapback at genderspergs and IFLSfags on twitter*
What the fuck happened that buckbroke them so hard? Was it just 9/11? GWOT?

>>16822319
>>16822322
Why Uranus?
I would think Jovian and Saturnian moons are way more interesting for le science
Enceladus is poorly explored yet has internal heat and oceans. It's prime to check out.

>>16822356
>What the fuck happened that buckbroke them so hard? Was it just 9/11? GWOT?
Ongoing widescale psyops by adverserial nation states who only know how to drag others down instead of pulling themselves up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

>>16822356
Neoliberalism and AIPAC

>>16822346
>Human rating Starship for reentry will be tough.

The demonstrated "kill everyone aboard" rating for Shuttle was 1%. Grade on the curve.

>>16822346
Starship isnt contracted for human reentry. So its a non issue.

>>16822357
Decadal Survey Priority One. And if you can do Uranus, Jupiter and Saturn are hitting off the Ladies Tee.

>>16822360
Missions #1 through #24 irinocally were the safest

>>16822361
>Reentry on Mars doesn't count.

May not have a contract, but that is the goal.

Due to the lapse in federal government funding, NASA is not updating this website. We sincerely regret this inconvenience.

>>16822367
>they shut APOD down
but we owned the libz!!!

>>16822366
Thats like 10 years away, plenty of time to solve any issue

>>16822351
>Save us, Trump-sama.
Get fucked Muskrats

>>16822381
Based. It will be kino when we see it on live

>>16822356
>>16822358
This, blame the fucking Soviets, can't compete directly and on merit so have to resort to deception, subversion and fomenting internal strife

Russia was caught doing this during BLM too

>>16822346
They could just rendezvous with a dragon in orbit after some light aerobraking (I don't know if this is actually possible)

Ship 39's nosecone is being stacked on the forward dome.

>>16822381
b-but we have to save mass anon

>>16822408
[mechanical breathing]

>>16822407
They'd weigh less than a banana.

>>16822423
Reminds me of those 1980s McDonalds Transformer toys. Especially the cheeseburger.

>>16822356
libertarian tea party schizo's ruined everything

>>16822408
the habitable volume of starship is so tiny

>>16822428
Starship is really just a cuckpod with extra steps.

>>16822356
Jews. Kikes, if you will.

>>16822420
Those bananas tend to add up. And by add up, I mean end up, in a certain atheist's ass.

>>16822363
>Decadal Survey Priority One
So I'm reading it now, it's nice to see that Enceladus is 2nd priority on the flagship list but still don't get the point of a uranus mission, it seems to lack practical outcomes.

> The decadal survey prioritizes the Uranus Orbiter and Probe (UOP) as the highest priority new Flagship mission for initiation in the decade 2023-2032.

>UOP will deliver an in situ atmospheric probe and conduct a multi-year orbital tour that will transform our knowledge of ice giants in general and the Uranian system in particular. UOP science objectives address Uranus’ i) origin, interior, and atmosphere, ii) magnetosphere; and iii) satellites and rings.

>The second highest priority new Flagship mission is the Enceladus Orbilander.

>Enceladus is a moon of Saturn and an ice-rock world with active plumes of gas and particles that originate from its subsurface ocean. Study of plume material allows direct study of the ocean’s habitability, addressing a fundamental question: is there life beyond Earth and if not, why not? Orbilander will analyze fresh plume material from orbit and during a two-year landed mission. Its main science objectives are: i) to search for evidence of life; and ii) to obtain geochemical and geophysical context for life detection experiments.

Finding life and exploration of moons with liquid water imo has far more practical benefits and returns to society.

>>16822436
If we're still stuck in a paradigm of down selection for missions to the celestial bodies, our entire approach to solar system exploration is backwards and nonsensical.

Now what’s the next step in Duffy’s master plan?

>>16822428
yeah, that's nowhere close to a cubic kilometer at all, more like a couple of cubic hectometers.

>>16822356
>>2020's rightoids: Acktually the-
Hideous strawman, get dead.

>One day I'll go there
I say, gazing up at the dim red dot
Even though I know
I will not.

>>16822445
They should have sent a poet (you). But they didn't lol

>>16822445
That's nice, anon. I still remember the good, old times when I used to write poetry or some short immersive stories about space in here. Now with the advent of AI I don't really do it anymore, since everyone will just accuse me of pasting artificially-generated texts... art has become somewhat meaningless :(

I dont think rockets work like that

>>16822063
God please, I'm starting to lose hope

>>16822452
Smartass boomers, with their fakeass show making fun of better men than themselves

hmmm looks familiar

For some perspective, 614 cubic meters is comparable to the volume of the typical modern American house, maybe even a bit bigger than that.

>>16822436
The Survey tells you specifically why Uranus was ranked first.

>>16822474
BO's lander is gonna touch down only after two Starships have landed? That's gonna be underwhelming.

https://x.com/Byron_Wan/status/1979750708196090066
>Oct 13: a Chinese rocket booster (LM-2D) crashed into a ranch in Guinan County (贵南县), Hainan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Qinghai province. Lots of toxic pollutants were left behind in the area…

>>16822474
Anything less than 1000 is unacceptable.

>>16822480
It's probably housing but the shit in the zoom in looks like a second debris field, so I am currently imagining China punishing a dissident with their space program.

>>16822480
How do they plan to go to the moon when they missed the village that badly?

>>16822474
>XX
>(estimated)

>>16822480
if you look closely after impact you can see a COPV yeeting itself at high speed

>>16822485
BO might not have the interior design completely finalized yet, but it looks like ought to have at least as much space as a decently-sized bedroom. Also, I just measured the dimensions of my closet out of curiosity and it's apparently actually slightly more spacious than the LM. Imagine living in a closet-sized space with another dude for most of a 2-3 day period.

>>16822489
>Imagine living in a closet-sized space with another dude for most of a 2-3 day period.
Not the mindset they had or I would have in such a situation even if it can be reduced to that when viewed as a casual observer.

>>16822388
yeaaah, the "soviets" are the ones behind all this shit

>>16822498
Champagne socialism's biggest proponents are inordinately wealthy bastards.

>>16822388
>This, blame the fucking ****, can't compete directly and on merit so have to resort to deception, subversion and fomenting internal strife
>The **** were caught doing this during BLM too
ftfyk

Headline: NASA Budget Decimated. American Space Leadership Imperiled

Headline: Taco Tuesday in ISS Cafeteria

What if a US citizen funded a private accelerated moon mission with Starship, going entirely solo and landing with a fully-provisioned ship all to himself but not enough fuel to get back and no alternate return plan. Multiply-redundant safety and life support systems with the parts and tools to fix them, and as many supplies as would fit, but no way to get back. Then he just tells the US government to come get him before the food runs out in order to force reform in the space program.
The ping would be horrendous but you could still access the internet with the right comms setup. Instant global celebrity advocating for space exploration from the Moon. Governments would be racing against each other to find ways to send resupply or rescue missions to get the PR win.

>>16822346
Starship hasn't had any issues with reentry and landing thus far.

>>16822525
>Burn though on flaps and hull isn't a issue.

>>16822518
>imagine the smell

>>16822527
It completed the landing burns without issue and the interior was not breached.

>Duffy wants to either be NASA admin or have NASA be part of the Dept of Transportation
>Jared is back in the running for NASA admin and is widely desired over Duffy
>Lockheed has been whispering sweet nothings into Duffy's ear

This all combines into Duffy trying a Hail Mary PR pass of ensuring a Moon landing during the current admin period, except you have to be painfully ignorant or deliberately dishonest to believe that oldspace can deliver a Moon lander in 30 months when it has been a more than a decade since Commercial Crew was awarded and they still cannot deliver astronauts to the ISS.

>>16822527
The only burnthroughs on Flight 11 were where SpaceX deliberately left bare steel exposed.

https://x.com/realhomerhickam/status/1980372189196218874
>I always thought (& said so at the time) that Kathy Lueders awarded the #HLS contract to
@Spacex
because she thought it would ultimately do the entire mission when the American gov't finally woke up to the fact that the SLS/Orion/Gateway Artemis mission design was an unworkable Rube Goldberg plan. And I begged Jim Bridenstine's team on the same day as Mike Pence announced Artemis to please take SLS out of the critical path because Mike had given NASA an open field to get to the moon in five years "by any means necessary" but nooooo. So here we are.

>>16822527
Minor cosmetic damage

>>16822343
Did Gor act alone, or did other people who were concerned about Elon's influence in the WH pull the strings?

Incredibly stupid of Elon to get involved with the Trump admin. He pissed them off and became the number two enemy of the dems. The next dem admin is going to take their pound of flesh.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980489977701282132

Lol

>>16822541
The DNC machine has hated him since 2020 and the Twitter takeover, backing Trump didn't contribute meaningfully.
And there won't be another dem admin until 2033 at the earliest, at which point the political landscape will be so radically different that the phrase "dem admin" may not even be relevant. We're living in the early stages of a historical inflection point on par with or more significant than WWII.

>>16822544
KEKW

>>16822544
elon waking up to the HOG

https://x.com/MicahMaidenberg/status/1980400812586332322

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-nasa-administrator-conflict-b7df4877

>>16822552
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Nationalize
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>>16822463
/sfg/ movie night when?

>>16822518
How many fucking times do they need to show off them growing chillies in space. It's like Voyager leaving the solar system
>https://x.com/NASAScience_/status/1454100673772019718
>https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/new-research-connects-plant-nutrition-and-astronaut-gut-health/
>https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPgfHtmAHvx/

post screenshots, not links. i aint clicking your links

Imagine if shartliner was cost plus contract

>>16822552
Lol

>>16822584
Afuera!

>>16822585
Abayo!

>>16822584
He shouldn't have implied that Apollo was sad.

>>16822587
thats not what was implied
just doing something that was done over 50 years ago again would be sad
this does not mean what happened 50 years ago was sad itself, but technology has progressed a lot during that time

>>16822584
guy really out there counting his chickens before they hatch

>>16822589
starship is happening

>>16822590
is it? what happens if the left come to power in 2028 and decide to go full retribution? the future is uncertain.

>>16822584
>Starship making a round trip landing on the Moon without refueling.

Like to see his numbers on that.

so its confirmed that it was a weather balloon just as hullo predicted...
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/the-mystery-object-that-struck-a-plane-in-flight-it-was-probably-a-weather-balloon/

Oh dear. Casey -- what have you done?

>>16822588
>Apollo but sadder
That means Apollo was already somewhat sad

>>16822598
it didn't live up to its potential

why are they suddenly blaming spacex for artemis 3? nasa doesnt even have suits yet.

>>16822084
They have been planning something for a year which was just announced? Yeah okay, doesn't sound like someone has been stirring shit behind the scenes again whatsoever

>>16822104
>>16822121
The internet was a bubble too btw

>>16822601
>suddenly

Blue Origin delayed Starship HLS by 6-12 months by sueing NASA and now the porkers are whining that HLS is delayed
lmao

>>16822601
to distract from the failures of SLS and Orion

>>16822608
>delayed Starship HLS by 6-12 months
lol
HLS overlaps with their Mars ships.

>>16822612
yes, but it goes HLS -> marsship instead of the other way around
they were forbidden to work on HLS related things or talk to NASA and in any case, doing a lot of random shit that might or might not have relevance is not really something Musk tends to do

>>16822530
>the interior was not breached.
lmao nobody tell him.

>>16822629
One would think the flames erupting from the hull would have been a clue.

>>16822596
https://youtu.be/VfCYZ3pks48?t=169

>>16822310
Theres a concerted effort by academics and dems to turn nasa into a redundant noaa for some reason.

>>16822671
every dime spent on space is a dime not invested in black doctors, architects etc

>>16822422
depot

>>16822381
LED strips, you can probably get them at walmart, just a plain string of white LEDs and something to turn the whole strip on and off

>>16822684
Now that I've actually read the context finally, it seems pretty clear when you look at Topolsky's post and then read Musk's reply that he's talking about the same powerful people/generic elite class that Topolsky was, simply rejecting his "free press" premise.
Funny how both jews and non-jews acted like he named the jew thoughever

>>16822685
NOAA is about black doctors and architects?

>>16822696
> make NASA into a second NOAA
> shut NASA down because it's redundant
simple 2-step plan to more gibs for niggers

>>16822698
I don't think they want to do that second step. Making nasa into a second noaa seems to be the end goal.

>>16822584
Not reading all that. Sorry it happened, or congratulations on your new lunar architecture

>>16822702
they absolutely hate space and space accessories

>>16822706
every agency needs to be a way to shovel money to their special interests, otherwise it needs to be changed or deleted

>>16822521
>nowhere in the course of executing a multi-billion dollar contract does anyone at SpaceX even ask how he's planning to get back from the moon or check with any regulatory agency
in case you were wondering, that was not a good post

>>16822544
NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL SHITPOSTING

BO is looking in to the possibility to fast-tracking an Artemis 3 option utilizing ONLY Mk1 landers in lieu of more complicated architecture. They would build multiple Mk1s and stack them and use them as tugs/transfer vehicle/small crewed lander. This would eliminate refueling

>>16822722
but Mk1 isn't a crewed vehicle?

>>16822449
I still write because if I ignore the muse when it compels me I can't do anything the rest of the day. I would just ignore the AI.

>>16822723
It would include a pressure vessel with life support on top of an Mk1

>>16822726
Oh boy, a bolt-on crew compartment for a boots and flags mission, I can't wait!

>>16822727
Yeah it’s retarded

>>16822727
ENTER

>>16822726
so it would require extensive modifications
when all is said and done, it might take longer than going for mk2 directly
sounds like a retarded idea and its a dead-end system by its design already

Today in based space news
https://www.stripes.com/branches/space_force/2025-06-07/dod-trans-ban-bree-fram-18048778.html
warning, the article is written by an actual goblin

>>16822744
based

>>16822744
I like their uniforms

>>16822744
Space Force more like Based Force

>>16822744
warning, not written by an actual goblin just a waste of human biomass.

>>16822744
>june 8

>>16822750
Anon is in the Oort Cloud

>>16822747
Unironically no one would have any issues if they (troons in general) looked good

>>16822752
no, the problem is that they are insane as well

>>16822744
unfortunately SF doesn't have any airlocks yet

>>16822753
>>16822752
i.e. if troons looked like they do now (like ugly freaks), but didn't try to push their ideologue everywhere, try to trans kids, get people fired for not using their pronouns and on and on then people wouldn't really care too much
this backlash happened due to the years long, insane campaign the troons subjected the rest of world to

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980613172265369631

Sean Duffy turned out to be a snake, very unfortunate

>>16822744
Based, open the asylums. These people need Jesus

>>16822758
why is duffy so hostile towards isaacman?

>>16822758
What a faggot duffy is
>>16822762
He wants the job

>>16822758
Is lobbying just paying to get your way?

>>16822762
Wants it for himself.

>>16822764
You hire people to talk up what a great guy you are.

>>16822763
>>16822765
sec of transport is better than nasa if he wants to be president

>>16822770
He wants both

>>16822770
admin of NASA gets more publicity, I really think its that simple
Duffy doesn't give a shit about either transportation or space, its just politics for him
a cabinet level seat is a step up from congressman and being the admin of NASA gives him a lot of visibility, especially if NASA lands on the moon during his term as the admin

>>16822604
No one is saying AI will suddenly disappear when the bubble bursts retard. Just like the dotcom bubble there's a ton of companies over valued right now.

Beat the Chinese.

>>16822798
@grok is this a hate crime

>>16822798
This is what happens when you play KSP and feel like you are ""supposed"" to make missions complicated, instead of one giant rocket

As someone who has watched the launch and deployment of JWST on /sfg/ a few years ago I feel like it made few discoveries. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

Unpopular opinion:
Jobs are more important than space exploration.

>>16822802
One rocket can't carry landers for 7 day surface stays.

>>16822804
If you want jobs you wind down the spending and let the market do what it wants. If you have specific goals that are not served by the market you spend money.

>>16822798
At a dick measuring one-off landing, or at a sustainable long-term presence?

Tell me this ain't some satanic shit

>>16822803
>just one more telescope, I promise
just kidding, I love the scopes

>>16822811
the problem is we just keep building ones that are 50% larger and proposing ones that are twice as big. we need 2 orders of magnitude to see real improvements now.

>>16822804
government job programmes are an inefficient way to create jobs and are ultimately a drag

>>16822804
It's cheaper to pay someone welfare than have them do a pointless meme job for 100k per year

>>16822080
China will likely have a back-up launch stack on stand-by in the second VAB. That's what they do with CZ-2F/Shenzhou. It's likely for this exact reason that they are building two CZ-10 VABs at Wenchang.

>>16822798
>2 sls launches required
So this is gonna be a 4 year mission at the very least?

>>16822762
The NASA admin job is prestigious and involves a lot of big-money decisions, so of course there will be competition for it.

>>16822809
What about having an additional personnel transfer system is it that precludes sustainability? Especially if the personnel transfer system is mostly built out of parts that would've been developed anyway for a light cargo transport system

>>16822809
What about having an additional personnel transport system is it that precludes sustainability? Especially if the personnel transport system is mostly built out of parts that would've been developed anyway for a light cargo transport system.

>>16822608
HLS is a Starship derivative. Core features of Starship are the source of delays. Did the lawsuit make SpaceX slow down Starship work?

>>16822843
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Duffy
>Duffy was a professional lumberjack, competing in the city's Lumberjack World Championship for several years and winning multiple titles in speed climbing.

>>16822843
Lol what?

>>16822758
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980646183229145091
>*Sean Dummy

>>16822843
Funny how this entire thing could have easily been avoided if Musk didn’t have his stupid ass melty

>>16822843
No, but a major contractor's buddy and business partner shouldn't either. Isn't there a third option that is well-qualified but also doesn't have an obvious conflict of interest?

>>16822851
Musk and Isaacman aren't buddies, they basically hadn't talked at all before Musk asked him if he wanted to become the admin for NASA

>>16822843
Bad argument, considering that Trump is the one who will make the decision. Trump's own main claims to fame are reality TV, branding and real estate. He has appointed numerous podcasters and TV personalities to government roles. That's what he values.

>>16822804
Popular opinion: you can employ people to do something useful rather than meaningless make-work projects

>>16822843
>>16822847
That's it, I've seen enough.
Musk is simply retarded

>>16822843
can’t be any worse than a guy whose claim to fame was weighing down the shuttle.

>>16822843
lol Musk pinned this

>>16822853
Isaacman's company invested $27.5m into Musk's company. There was Inspiration4 and Polaris Dawn. They had a coordinated charity drive. They made several joint public appearances. Yet they basically hadn't talked at all before 2025. Right.

>>16822744
>>16822747
Absolutely bizarre that they ever had to humor these obvious and outwardly mentally unwell people in the military to begin with.

>>16822859
you think maezawa and musk are buddies?

>>16822862
Well not anymore

>>16822862
They might be. They were certainly business partners, although things seem to have fallen apart since. Hence Maezawa shouldn't be appointed to any government role that involves direct regulating of or contracting to Musk's companies.

>>16822843
>>16822847
this might backfire, be careful elon.....

>>16822849
When did Elon Musk have a melty?

>>16822866
back in May about Trumps BBB

>>16822866
He said Trump was on the list of persons who visited Epstein's island. Now they're chill again, and I don't know how after that. I certainly wouldn't associate with somebody I thought diddled kids, nor would I associate with somebody who accused me publically of diddling kids.

>>16822864
they aren't and neither was Isaacman

>>16822866
He had an H1B melty on christmas, and then had a public melty against the Don

>>16822874
Is he retarded

>>16822878
yes

>>16822872
Pick a qualified person who hasn't recently been in what sums up to multiple hundred million dollars' worth of deals with a major NASA contractor

>>16822880
so pick someone who has no actual experience?

we should increase government collusion and favoritism with spaceX since they are the only ones who can get anything fucking done

Question, how much weight does raptor 3 save on super heavy and starship?

>>16822877
I assume NASA would still exist, just not as an independent agency.

>>16822882
Careful now, this was the case back when the old guard actually made good stuff like Saturn V and LM… then everyone got too comfortable with eachother. I’ll pat your back you pat mine kind of thing.

>>16822881
Experience with what? Going to space? I'm not sure that is a particularly important qualification for being NASA administrator, but if it is, then there are numerous ex-astronauts to choose from. Or do you mean experience managing a payment processing company?

>>16822888
space and business
are there other astronauts that are as successful in business (i.e. running an organization)

>>16822889
>brachiation
I HATE brachiators!!

>>16822886
>It would probably kill its budget over time as well
How so? NASA's budget would still be micromanaged by Congress, just like today

>>16822871
It's all staged.

>>16822890
Ex-astros are only good at running their mouths. Too many of them turn in to fags after 20 or so years back in the gravity well

>>16822896
everything is in a gravity well if you look hard enough

>iss orbits earth
>earth orbits sun
>sun orbits center of galaxy
>galaxy orbits galactic cluster

So now he has called him gay AND low IQ kek
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980657620160860501

>>16822890
NASA isn't a business. And I fail to see how running a software business would necessarily grant relevant experience. Sure, Musk started as a software guy, but that is no guarantee of success. The aerospace industry is littered with companies run by software guys that didn't exactly perform well.

And I reiterate that I fail to see how going to space would be a particularly important qualification. Just to take an example of something that seems way more important is an understanding of the engineering of going to space seems way more important. Isaacman has some qualifications in this area but there are others who could be equally or more qualified and without having any conflict of interest.

>>16822894
maybe, but having actual experience is valuable even if pure NASA astronauts would not be good admins just by themselves
Isaacman built a multibillion dollar business from scratch as a kid and a military contractor later (Draken International)

>>16822899
he kind of did that already by calling him a monkey

>>16822899
>not realizing this could upset Trump indirectly by implying his choice of Duffy as either NASA admin or DOT is reflective of Trumps low IQ (or at least thats how Trump might interpret it)

oh man, its over he never learns

>>16822901
so you're saying he... administrated something?

I’m an empath and can sense that Musk took this duffy thing very personally!

>>16822900
its about understanding how to run an organization
Isaacman had an aerospace military contracot business too retard

>>16822899
I still can't believe how petty and childish US politicians are for not making Jared NASA admin

>>16822907
Well Elon gave his haters in the Trump admin a big opening

but yeah politics is petty and childish

>>16822893
To what end

>>16822903
If trump tweets something like “I love our Secretary of Transportation! Duffy is doing a great job!” then we know it’s officially over for E

>>16822910
the dread I can feel it already

>>16822907
On one hand I do respect Elon for not wanting to bend to any system and always be steadfast to his own beliefs, but sheesh you need to know when to hold em’ and know when to fold em’

We are in the midst of yet another Melty rn. At least this time Elon is right… for now

>>16822914
>and always be steadfast to his own beliefs
and where did that lead him, to a feud with the President and ouster of Jared as nominee, installing of Duffy and Duffy getting courted by the anti-SpaceX oldspace lobby

just fucking wonderful

only reason I haven't completely given up hope yet is there is a possibility that Trump knows Isaacman is more popular across the board with MAGA and would give him a huge win for his MAGA base to select him again, but this may be just cope, or maybe he wants to have 2 billionaires in his favor so might choose that over Duffy who is just interested in his own power grab idk

>>16822871
What if the guy who made the accusation was a trillionaire who could make you president of the United States or give you a literal space colony or build an orbital missile defense system?

For me, that would make a pretty big difference. Most people are willing to take a whole lot of shit just to work at a 9-5 that doesn't feel like Hell every day...

>>16822916
it lead him here, going against the grain even if everyone around him said he was wrong
might not work in politics as well as it seems to have in business

>>16822922
>might not work in politics as well as it seems to have in business
yeah no kidding

>>16822920
>Most people are willing to take a whole lot of shit
Most people are cowards without solid moral foundations or principles of any kind.

>>16822906
If you wanted an org managing experience, it seems to me you'd pick an associate administrator, who will likely be more experienced at managing a government agency and navigating government bureaucracy.

It is a good point that maintaining a fleet of jets is a good qualification. I don't disagree that Isaacman has qualifications, but ultimately it doesn't matter. His conflicts of interest are 100% disqualifying. A candidate could be infinitely qualified, but that is still no good if he has conflicts of interest. You could hire the best marksman in the world, but that does you no good if he's likely to deliberately miss the target.

>>16822925
NASA needs to be reorganized, some random ass associate admin will obviously not do that

>>16822914
I think it's less that Elon doesn't know how to play the game and more than he thinks there shouldn't be a game at all, that's the problem with politics. Everyone's working for ulterior motives with no actual regard for the betterment of a state, which is the entire point of politics. Politicians are in a fantasy world and act like petty teenagers

>>16822912
rude

Bros do you believe in the AGI hype? Is AGI only 5 years away?

>>16822929
Yeah apparently he was hella blackpilled because both D and Rs who said they supported DOGE ended up telling him he needs to be quiet after he found entrenched scams that needed to be cut. I think that’s when he realized Washington wasn’t worth it and that what works in the business world doesn’t fly in the swamp, it instead slithers

>>16822873
amazing trench

>>16822883
pls respond

>>16822928
>NASA needs to be reorganized
I agree, but a guy who is a major business partner of a major NASA contractor is not the right guy to put in charge of doing it. He might be the best reorganizer in the world, but that is not a good thing if he is reorganizing with a contractor's interest in mind.

>some random ass associate admin will obviously not do that
I think it depends. An insider might be complacent, used to the status quo, and too ingrained in the current system to change it. But it could also be that an insider is intimately familiar with the dysfunction at NASA, and knows how to fix it if given a political mandate to do so

>>16822865
Maybe he wants out of HLS.

>>16822940
his rabid posting about it yesterday suggests otherwise

>>16822936
dare you to post this on their thread

>>16822936
booty not large enough. (not fat tho)

>>16822944
He's pissed because Duffy won't give all the OTHER contracts to SpaceX, that's the real reason. HLS contract has already paid out most of the money and SpaceX are still nowhere near completing the contract so it's a money sink for no gain.
He is mad at Duffy for not being his yesman like Isaacman, and it kills two birds withone stone because he has an excuse to not complete lunar starship if Duffy retaliates by giving HLS fully to BO.

>>16822939
an insider would not get up to associate admin if they weren't fully on board with the stagnation
the usual political appointees are biased by default pretty much, this would be a departure from that for once
an actual competent administrator that gave a shit about space (he has shown this by going to space and trying to advance the tech)
how could Jared even re-organize it in a way that would be purely in SpaceXs interest? no cost plus contracts, actual competition etc

>>16822945
kek

>>16822955
you're retarded
are you the dude that works for NASA? scared for your job?

even the people who hate billionaires, trump, elon, the right, and duffy know that isaacman would be a better choice than duffy

>>16822960
Take your meds loser.

>>16822936
Which AI is this?

>>16822955
Interesting take I'll give you that

>>16822964
lmao faggot

>>16822966
Unironically true, yet people here seethe when the playing field is actually level and not tilted for SpaceX

Barron Trump should be the administrator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5e_4gL33IA

>>16822966
This kid is such a faggot it’s unreal

>>16822966
>pick whoever is ready first
Oldspace probably wouldn't be ready at all, let alone before SpaceX

>>16822970
I don't think Isaacman would level the playing field and be as pro-SpaceX as people assume, and I'd rather him in charge than Duffy whose just interested in using NASA for his own political ambitions and would just go ahead and do what the cost+ lobby would demand cause he doesn't know or care any better

>>16822978
Elon has zero political power. His spergout might make this happening more likely

Okay so it’s looking increasingly likely that the recent Mars “life” discovery was probably just as ambiguous as the Viking “biosignature,” and that Duffy just wanted to do the PR press conference and be “that guy” who announced it?
Theatre kid occupied government

>>16822976
If costplus oldpsacers would get Artemis kicked off sooner before Starship HLS was readyto be the sustainer then what tf is wrong with that?

>>16822980
>Elon has zero political power
Not necessarily. He’ll campaign to get infinite H1Bs that’s for sure

>>16822981
yeah

>>16822982
>If costplus oldpsacers would get Artemis kicked off sooner

who do you think is in charge of SLS you retard

>>16822982
>would get Artemis kicked off sooner before Starship HLS was ready
its very unlikely but its frustrating to not know that because that would be kinda ideal, would suck for SpaceX not being the first to return but if it means we still return before China ever sets foot on the moon it would be better for America as a whole

Still just don't know whether that would happen, also am 100% against the idea of moving NASA into the DOT cause that would just slowly kill NASA and its prestige and preeminence in space so I'm anti-Duffy no matter what

>>16822956
>an insider would not get up to associate admin if they weren't fully on board with the stagnation
It's not up to them to design the system. They have to accept the system or leave it. But they can change the system if given a political mandate to do so.

>how could Jared even re-organize it in a way that would be purely in SpaceXs interest
Well, just to take an example, by changing procedures and putting people in charge who will sabotage or not undertake programs to support weaker space companies, who could undermine SpaceX's quasi-monopoly in the long term if given the state support necessary to develop.

Isaacman could also try to block programs to develop additional manned moon lander. Indeed, it seems there is a big fight brewing over this very issue. Musk likely doesn't want the risk that anyone might steal his moon thunder, nor does he likely want to be pressured to expedite HLS development by any more than is optimal for his own purposes.

>>16822981
>Theatre kid occupied government
REAL
I don't think Isaacman at least would be playing these games, but who knows since he has talked fondly about getting into politics before too. Man.

>>16822983
>He’ll campaign to get infinite H1Bs that’s for sure
He also has no power to do that.
In fact Trump made it significantly harder

>>16822980
I guess he currently feels powerless and soon to be humilated by Blue Origin or old space, and by insulting Duffy it makes him feels like he is taking back control.

>>16822907
>I still can't believe how petty and childish US politicians are for not making Jared NASA admin
It was literally just two guys, so you're making a shit example.
>>16822914
>On one hand I do respect Elon for not wanting to bend to any system
He literally called Trump a pedo and then turned around and backed him again lol
Also, he went on the humiliation tour.

>>16822987
>Musk likely doesn't want the risk that anyone might steal his moon thunder, nor does he likely want to be pressured to expedite HLS development by any more than is optimal for his own purposes.

So Musk would risk to let China possibly land first and claim the glory of the first 21st century Moon Landing just so he wouldn't be beaten by Blue Origin or whoever else to be the first American company to do it

That's also extremely petty and undesirable desu, no wonder he's talking about moon bases and reposting Truthful who said that

SpaceX really does not rely on those 3 billion of HLS contract.
None of this matters. Just a bummer about the good parts of NASA

Its simple. We ask both candidates what the difference is between a meteoroid and an asteroid.
Who ever answers correctly gets to be in charge of NASA.

>>16822990
Duffy did insult him and spacex. NASA never talks shit about starliner or SLS. And the other two HLS bids were dogshit (I cannot stress this enough). Then duffy has the gall to “call them out”… bush league move. It’s within musk’s right to hold his own and call duffy a monkey

>>16822989
>In fact Trump made it significantly harder
fell for it again award

>>16822972
He actually went to Washington to independently lobby congressmen on behalf of SLS, and walked away believing that he was somehow essential in getting congress to spent money on a pork-distribution project that they designed. Willis is a unique blend of autistic and arrogant.

What do people expect Isaacman to be able to do in three years while having to wrangle Trump and Congress?

>>16822990
>soon to be humilated by Blue Origin or old space
delusional. if you think their mk1 botch job is happening any time soon.
what they're gonna put a new shepard capsule on top? LMAOOO

>>16823002
damn thats hilarious

>>16822995
>risk to let China possibly land first and claim the glory of the first 21st century Moon Landing
>the glory
the public doesn't care about space

>>16822976
NASA should absolutely not level the playing field. In a level playing field, the 500-lb gorilla entrenched incumbent that is SpaceX would massacre everyone else. Not even Bezos has enough money to fully bridge the gap. NASA should help nurture promising SpaceX competitors until they are ready to challenge SpaceX in a level playing field.

>>16823007
They will

>>16822883
Plus the removal of the booster heatshield

>>16823000
cope. trump didn't listen to what elon wanted when he was still in good standing.
now it's completely over for him politically

>>16822995
musk literally does not care about petty first moon landing games, he wants a base on the moon and city on mars

>>16823004
fire the retards, actually speak the truth without fearing congress due to not caring about his political career

>>16823004
I’d take Isaacman being hamstrung by politicians versus Duffy actively serving those stupid politician’s interests. Do you really want a guy who wants to dish out $50 billion cost+ contracts for more alabama river rocks? Or a guy who will at least set up architecture for a serious manned mars landing

>>16823012
>he wants a base on the moon
He doesn't, he's just saying it's better than the race meme

>>16823012
well the US cares about returning American boots to the moon before China does and claims all the glory for the first 21st century moon landing, Musk and SpaceX can come later to make it sustainable and set up the base but we need to be first (again)

>>16822905
Yesterday I posted here that Musk doesn't even care about the whole moon thing. He's just showing me that he lurks here and does in fact care. Elon, if you lurk here, post some weird shit on X within this hour as a sign

>>16823004
not fuck everything up as much

>>16823017
why don't you think he wants that? this isn't the first time he has talked about that
it might not be his priority, but he wants it

>>16823018
okay so time to compete the SLS and Orion portions of the missions as well then?
just change it to who lands people on the moon first, completely detail agnostic
or do you not care about landing on the moon first anymore?

>>16823021
>why don't you think he wants that?
Because he's said he doesn't give a shit about the Moon and dislikes the contract. They only bid for it because they weren't as flush with revenue as they are now.

>>16822995
Uh, yes? I think Musk would strongly prefer that China/CASC be first (back) to the moon rather than any of Musk's domestic competitors, especially Bezos.

>That's also extremely petty
There's nothing petty about it. There's a lot of prestige associated with being the one who enables the next manned American moon landing, which has immense commercial and political value. Musk has cars to sell and political designs to enact.

>>16823018
>well the US cares about returning American boots to the moon before China
well too bad because that was not what artemis was originally designed for. now they found out that china is also going to the moon, they are trying to gut the whole artemis program. once they have landed on the moon, they will cancel the whole program like apollo. it's very naive to think they care about making it sustainable later.

>>16823024
source please

>>16823011
The fact that Isaacman is once again in the running for NASA admin shows that it's not "completely over" for Musk politically

>>16823029
Nigga where have you been the last 5 years?? This is common knowledge

>>16823028
>well too bad because that was not what artemis was originally designed for
Artemis wasn't designed to return American boots to the moon?

I wish Russia didn't shit the bed post-USSR. Would be interesting to see where they might be in space at this point.

>>16823024
>They only bid for it because they weren't as flush with revenue as they are now.
TRVKE

>>16822917
I would bet that 95% of the MAGA base don't even know who Isaacman is

>>16822917
>Isaacman is more popular across the board with MAGA
lmao what

>>16823034
Probably still in LEO regardless

>>16823024
SpaceX is working hard on it anyway.
HLS elevator, thrusters, crew cabin, life support are all deep in development.
The long pole remains the launch, reuse and refilling which is literally their immediate goal with Starship.
People don't understand that is the critical path

>>16823032
no, its something you pulled out of your ass (and people have assumed)
assuming is not fact

>>16823010
I know this is wildy off because it doesn't take into account that raptor 3 doesn't need the heat shielding raptor 2 does. That saves a ton of weight.

>>16823028
>well too bad because that was not what artemis was originally designed for.
Yes it was

>>16823031
The good thing is Starship will win.
So at some point it'll just be hard to ignore no matter how much they try to play political games.

>>16823045
Nope it wasn't. You're retarded.
Artemis was all about sustainable presence on the moon, not saying the plan was any good but that was the goal

>>16823045
No, it wasn’t

What if the HLS elevator jams?

>>16822584
>10T without refueling
Doubt it's that much but that is one of the things many conveniently ignore.
You can just refuel less and bring less payload as 100 tons is totally unnecessary for Artemis 3

>>16823033
that's not what i said retard, you should become a journalist if you to remove words from quotes

>>16823049
rope

>>16823050
>You can just refuel less
uh boil-off?

>>16823052
lel

>>16823049
Rappel down on ropes with carabiners
>>16823051
Suck my balls, fagboy

>>16823054
this guy is a bitch and posts like a bitch

If only Israel wanted the Moon, we'd be there already.

>>16823055
cryocoolers nigga

>Starship/SH v3 supposedly has ~15% more thrust at launch compared to v2
I can't wait to see how fast this thing climbs off of the launch mount; the current version is too damn slow.

>>16823060
Or if a billionaire fronted a lunar surface hotel with a very minimum age of consent. It would be a prestigious refuge for the rich

>>16823062
V3's first flight will have it explode before leaving the pad btw

>>16823062
They throttle the current one down until it's clear of the pad to minimize damage.

>>16823067
I remember being so, so nervous during the first full stack launch. I thought it was gonna nuke the entire launch pad a few seconds after liftoff

>>16823054
>so contrarian he's pro-MIC

I found this on an alcohol review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3r3m2a7hTI

>>16823010
less wrong answer from not so retarded ai

>>16823074
What ever happened to that ethalox keg-rocket that some guy was building?

https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1980670955723846040

is this the first non-SpaceX satellite/spacecraft with the laser link? I remember SpaceX starting to sell it a while ago

>>16823072
Not even contrarian, being pro-MIC is just common reddit stance these days.

>>16823078
What why

>>16823080
I will give you a hint
Feb 2022

>>16823080
They love The Machine.

>>16822843
uh oh another musk melty

but if this leads to a private moonship mission then i'm all for it

>>16822970
>when the playing field is actually level and not tilted for SpaceX

Starliner says hi.

>>16823077
i read about some organizations trying earlier but i dont recall them having much success

>>16822970
it has never been tilted for SpaceX
never

>>16823085
>Washington learns about Elon's competitive autism
>stoke him into beating China for America without disrupting the legacy contractors at all
>everyone is happy

>>16823087
integrating with the starlink mesh or their own separate thing?

When did you realize elon is cringe?

>>16823092
their own afaik

>>16823093
sherlock tier

>>16823075
>mass saving of about 1.155 t per engine (1,630 kg -> 1,525 kg
Is this like a cubic ton or something?

>>16823093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVqJMkZrdJk

>>16823093
I don't get it. I do see the world like that.

>>16823093
Reddit hates musk, does he mean a different website?

>>16823093
what? that is how we see the world. artfags see design, stemfags see engineering.

>>16823111
is that her tattoos?

>>16823111
She's acute

>>16823091
>pionner

>>16823055
>>16823061
Non-issue pretty much
Centaur V can stay in orbit for months with hydrolox and doesn't even use any active cooling.
Starship depots won't need cryocoolers either, the more prop you have the easier it gets.

>>16822876
>>16822867
That was after Isaacmen was pulled because Gor wanted to get back at Elon. I think Vance is trying to stay on good terms because he sees Musk as a slush fund for his 2028 run. Elon will still have his billions after Trump leaves office

>>16823122
>the more prop you have the easier it gets.
how so?

Like say they start fueling a depot 6 months before Artemis HLS demo launches, will it still have enough in it to fully fuel the HLS for the mission? Cause I think I'm starting to understand they can keep the depots full of fuel long before the fuel is needed for the mission so the HLS ship would just dock to the tanker after liftoff (tanker was fully fueled months beforehand) and then TLI to moon right?

>>16823123
>I think Vance is trying to stay on good terms because he sees Musk as a slush fund for his 2028 run
Well too bad Vance is distracted with Isreal trip now and Trump is making his final pick this week

>>16823124
>how so?
This nigga doesn't know about the square cube law.
>depots full of fuel long before the fuel is needed for the mission so the HLS ship would just dock to the tanker after liftoff (tanker was fully fueled months beforehand) and then TLI to moon right?
Yeah that's the point of the depot instead of directly tanking HLS

>>16822966
I wonder if this guy is fine with SLS and Orion getting competed as well

>>16823128
well SpaceX haven't made a good deal of showing that I think lots of people think and assume the depot needs to be filled shortly before a launch and any delay will cause more boil-off and then require more topping off etc

>>16823124
>how so?
more volume? duh?

why would you need a depot when you just
do all your launches in a months time, take your 5% loss to boiloff or w/e the number would be
And be done with it?

>>16823132
It's self evident

>>16823123
Vance is the gay astroturfed Peter Thiel experiment, no shit elon is going to support that little project in 2028. This much is obvious

>>16823133
whose gonna build the depot?

>>16823132
Logistically way better. You can fill up depots asynchronously whenever you want so it massively simplifies the HLS campaign.
And also depot has bigger tanks also HLS has less boiloff prevention.

>>16823137
are you retarded? its a version of starship

>>16823140
>>16823138
whose gonna pay for this? is it part of the program with a budget?

>>16823143
Bait used to be believable

>>16823143
mexico

who is going to get blamed if Orion fries 4 people during earth re-entry?

>>16823159
spacex

>>16823162
how

https://x.com/FelixSchlang/status/1980643162935943251

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYlMQa-FOns

why couldn't black csi man collaborate with someone else, I find this guy annoying

which version will make it to orbit?
V6?

>>16823170
>11 ships
Any chance that at least one of them is a tanker?

>>16823171
Is this a solid fuel booster at the right inside the booster?

>>16823177
yes

>>16823176
sure I guess

Is it just me or are there more and more FEthers and Moonhoaxers?

>>16823174
V3 flight 2
>>16823186
It's bots

>>16823186
They're not real people, that shit glows like a sun.

>>16823189
>>16823195
You can keep using this cope but genuine retardation and delusion is becoming more and more commonplace.

>>16823167
WTF

>>16822967
grok, of course, sir

>>16822950
From yesterday's thread

The Trump administration is considering cancelling the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

>>16823206
(expand)

social media has to go, simple as
just look at mr Musk

what shithole will duffy become the ambassador of?

>>16823211
Pathetic desu. SpaceX has not done any work on ZBO tech.

>>16823214
its easy for methalox
off the shelf solutions exist

>>16823209
ah yes, lets just trust some russian psyop

goddammit, that fucking bike girl showed up in my dreams last night wtf. I think I have to go touch some grass.

>>16823214
they aren't using hydrogen so they really don't need to

>>16823081
NTA, but I don't know what happened on that day.

>>16823218
you mean eat some ass

>>16823218
@grok booty bike lady riding by and laughing at anon for wetting his bed

>>16823214
Your idea of what problems they should focus on while Starship hasn't gone to orbit nor rtlsed nor been refueled is pathetic.

These are some very European-looking Europeans

https://youtu.be/v9kCWomrUkM

Holy kino

I hope KSA is not just a spaceflight simulator but also a colony simulator and more

>>16823226
This company is a joke. They're doing a falcon clone at 1/10 the size and launching from Scotland.

>16823226
go back

>>16823226
This company is based they are low cost rockets pilled.
Like a german Astra almost

it would be so funny if Landspace lands their booster before New Glenn

>>16823237
space will always be a white endeavour

you fuck off back to where you came from and keep jerking off in your fantasy land

>>16823239
They should land it on BO's droneship

latest hitpiece
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/10/cards-against-humanity-gets-settlement-from-spacex-plans-pack-of-elon-musk-cards/

>>16823243
landing a rocket on jeff's mother

>>16823250
>Cards against humanity
Reddit, the game

>>16823218
wtf?!? why hasn't this bitch shown up in my dreams?

>>16823250
Political griftin

>>16823250
If you don't think space is the coolest thing ever you're not human

>>16823265
you gotta pay for Neuralink Plaid Mode

>>16823196
fuck you

>>16823250
They got nothing and are milking their doners.

>>16823272
God, even their way of speaking is peak Reddit.

>>16823272
>"we sued for damages and lost because we didnt have a case"
>"elon is meanie poopy head!"

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/elon-musk-just-declared-war-on-nasas-acting-administrator-apparently/
>There seem to be two clear reasons why Duffy did this. One, he wanted to show President Trump he was committed to reaching the Moon again before China gets there. And secondly, with his public remarks, Duffy sought to demonstrate to the rest of the space community that he was willing to stand up to SpaceX.
>How do we know this? Because Duffy and Meachum had just spent the weekend calling around to SpaceX’s competitors in the industry, asking for their support in his quest to remain at NASA. For example, he called Blue Origin’s leadership and expressed support for their plans to accelerate a lunar landing program. Then he went on TV to demonstrate in public what he was saying in private.

>>16823280
read the comments to the article, it just gets worse and worse

>>16823272
I fucking hate activists like this. All they do is complain about shit. They don't care about solutions they just want to complain because playing pretend resistance makes them feel special. Vast majority of them are deeply unserious people.
you dont see them protesting actually important shit like the giant fucking chemical companies that are literally poisoning the entire earth with forever chemicals.

>>16823217
It's over...
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980724445410189477

>>16823287
These stupid niggers at NASA never boasted about “showing off” to the real issues, such as the parasitic old guard taking advantage of cost-plus contracts. They get one (1) good partner who actually delivers products and they go on the offensive against them?
Musk was right, fuck em. Should have left butch and suni on the station until the “good ol boys” could go and unfuck the bed that they made

Bye bye. Earth soon will be no more. Russian citizens can get a ticket to colonize other universe in our nuclear ship

At this point Elon should pull out of HLS entirely, but go ahead and send private astronauts to the Moon anyways

It's like watching the decline of Rome

>>16823234
>colony simulator
non janky, simple colonisation and travelling to other solar systems was the only things I wanted from KSP2. I hope to god KSA does them eventually.

>>16823295
if you look at it from the POV of the old space contractors and just trying to extract as money as possible for little effort as possible, then attacking the disruptor that starts rocking the boat makes complete sense
Duffy is clearly more or less in their pocket now at least according to the berger article
basically he is trying to get their support to keep the NASA admin job and in exchange he is willing to get them as much pork as possible
Duffy doesn't give a fuck about space nor do the old space contractors, nor does Trump

>>16823293
Phew, at least I can rest easy knowing Donald John Trump will make a well-informed, smart decision here!

>>16823296
>>16823297
why would boeing care about shartliner when they probably have reverse engineered triangles in a hanger somewhere in the desert