Thread 16834121

Orion sucks donkey dick - edition

previous >>16831714

if private spaceflight is so good, then why does china have a cooler space station than the entire west combined?

Casey was big mad in that article.

>I visited Kip Thorne’s office (just down the hall from mine at Caltech) to talk about cosmic inflation and the search for primordial gravitational waves. But what we really talked about was something slightly different: what it means to dedicate your life completely to Science, and what it takes to find answers to the questions that keep us awake at night.

>We also took a picture together with his “little poetry book”, as he calls it, opened on the page dedicated to BICEP and the search for gravitational waves from the South Pole. A quiet reminder that even science is made of beauty and poetry.

She a Caltech Astrophysics/Cosmetology Double Major.

>>16834126
It's a shit way to make money and doesn't scale. SpaceX would rather launch more Starlink bandwidth.

Maybe it's just me, but I think we went a bit overboard with the name patches.

>>16834126
ISS USOS and Tiangong are basically the same thing

>>16834136
those are well-engineered name patches

>>16834124
where is /sfg/'s blog?

https://x.com/Lokeshkr73/status/1984972179461861386
>LVM3 M5 Successfully launched the CMS 03 communication satellite into sub-GTO (26689km x 170km). This marks the 8th successful flight of LVM3 (100% success rate) and this is the heaviest satellite launched to GTO from Indian soil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAR9fV48Hjw

oh 2025 is now tied with 2024 for the most launches ever in a year

>>16834175
That's it.

>>16834042
>for the *real* projects which are all black budget off the books
pffff, yeah sure. Schizos think it's ayylmao's tech, but it's just more spy satellites, drones, and at most something like the X37B. They are really incompetent and inefficient with money. If SpaceX were to be a military contractor just like Locksneed and friends, and Musk didn't have his autistic tantrums, they would be all out of business.

Hear me out: air launched spaceplane powered by 2 plug-nozzle derived raptors, using the stratolaunch or something similar.

Pic mostly unrelated.

>>16834185
https://x.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1984965523835367837
>Successful first engine relight demo by C25 cryogenic stage! After separation of the CMS-03 satellite, the C25 upper stage of LVM3 reoriented itself and reignited its CE-20 engine, demonstrating its new engine relight capability for the first time!

>>16834213
Yeah but Starship's current config is honestly better than airlaunching anything. They've recovered a bazillion F9 cores (experience) and they have obviously demonstrated that they can do the same thing with Super Heavy and tower catches and reuse. Starship as it is right now is basically a 2-stage space plane except with wings and landing gear removed and instead made to be landed vertically

>>16834213
>spaceplane

Quantum computing is best done in the permanently shadowed craters on the Moon

>>16834227
t. Elon

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985013074382991407

https://x.com/viasat/status/1984988643425947940
>-3 and the countdown is on. We’re just a few days away from liftoff of ViaSat-3 F2, the next ultra-high-capacity Ka-band satellite in our global, multi-orbit constellation.

i love commsatslop

>>16834232
via sat is the enemy

>>16834226
>The argument for choosing Isaacman, the sooner the better, is overwhelming. Having built two multibillion-dollar companies and privately financed two space flights, he has a proven record of making the near impossible happen. As he explained to Ars Technica’s Eric Berger back in June, Isaacman has a vision for NASA and the Artemis program that is at once awesome and doable.
>Trump’s withdrawal of Isaacman’s nomination was a serious mistake. It has caused months of uncertainty and turmoil at NASA that it can ill afford with China surging ahead in the new race for the moon. His renominating Isaacman will go a long way toward rectifying that mistake.

>>16834232
It was going to launch on Falcon Heavy but the first ViaSat-3 was damaged by excessive vibrations from the rocket and wasn't able to fully deploy it's antenna. Now they're going to do what they should have done in the beginning and go with a proven launch provider.
Go ULA!
Go Atlas!
Go ViaSat-3!

>>16834128
does this take inflation into account?

8 posts in 1 hour esfeegee is deed

>>16834271
how was the direct landing ship supposed to escape earth's gravity well

>>16834275
Nova

>>16834275
>>16834276
just build a bigger rocket lmao

New Eager.

>Why Space Reality Kills Your Space Dreams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3aSAjuHdFI

>>16834281
About time. That lazy boomer needs to pick up the pace.

>>16834281
I like that his thumbnails have the same aesthetic as Thunderfoot but they're like diametrically opposed. Or at least his criticism seems more objective and grounded as opposed to engagement farming

I'm gong to shart myself laughing if Axiom never finishes their suits.

>>16834278
Or you use a mix of orbital construction and refueling using smaller rockets. At one point the Marshal Spaceflight Center had sketched out a plan to build a direct Apollo mission using a string of Saturn I launches.

>>16834268
/sfg/ is at church

which happens first, a moon mission (with landing) with full stack SpaceX hardware
or
Shartliner completes a single successful mission to the ISS and back without killing people

>>16834295
>>16834268
you guys weren't working on making the mind of a sentient sun?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985048731818094950

>>16834309
jesus fucking christ man Elon

>>16834309
dyson spheres are retarded. we don't see them for a reason

>>16834309
He’s so retarded lol

>>16834319
he believes in Simulation Theory so yeah

>>16834293
High likelihood, honestly

>>16834251
Yes.

>>16834309
is the Sun going to run on Grok?
pic related, it's what you get if you ask Grok to generate an SVG of Jessica Rabbit

>“SpaceX is not going to be able to make this work before 2030,” said Doug Loverro, a former chief of human spaceflight at NASA, expressing a sentiment recently echoed by two prior NASA administrators.

Hey why does that name sound familiar.....

>>16834330
Scumbag who got fired for sharing SpaceX secrets to Boeing claims spacex isn't going to make it

>>16834330
OH YEAHH

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jun/21/nasa-doug-loverro-executive-resignation-boeing
>Doug Loverro conducted unauthorized discussions with Boeing while it was bidding for Nasa contract, Washington Post says

>>16834330
Stop remembering things:

Casey Handmer@CJHandmer
It's absolutely insane that this
@nytimes
article would quote Doug Loverro saying "I was not firm enough in pushing what I should have pushed" when in fact the reason he abruptly left NASA in May 2020 (after just 6 months on the job) was that he was daughter's providing illicit inside advice to Boeing regarding the Human Landing System contract during the blackout period, despite which Boeing's entry was so poor it was withdrawn. How much harder could he have pushed?

>>16834317
I don't think he's talking about Dyson spheres, specifically. Probably just about producing energy from the sun, in general, to power data centers/Ai.

>>16834335
After that, Doug was never allowed to suck on the Federal Teat again. Also:

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250911921699/en/Loft-Federal-Appoints-Space-Industry-Veteran-Doug-Loverro-as-Chairman-of-the-Board

>>16834341
he has mastered the craft of saying statements ambiguous enough to be interpreted as more profound than they really are.

>>16834309
Elon Musk is dangerous. He isn't even a transhumanist, he is posthumanist.

>>16834347
real

>>16834309
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no sentient sun, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no sentient one, no

>>16834309
he's lost it. rooting for bezos now
jasonStatham.jpeg

>>16834124
oh my god yes spill

>>16834349
a dyson sphere existing doesn't mean humans don't exist anymore
he has said he is he is specifically speciest for humans vs some post-human AI intelligence
one way for humans to keep up would be to create a new layer of "brain" beyond the cortex by merging with AI, but is that really post-human? humans still in control, and its not going to be mandatory

>>16834309
why is everyone losing their minds over this? have you people read the Culture series?
full of super intelligent Minds with human living in utopia basically

>>16834365
I think the reason for the reaction is that Elon actually does things
there's a perceived dissonance between the very real things he's doing and creating a sentient sun

It's over Mars sisters..... Elon Musk don't care about Mars anymore..... He now has a more important thing to do with SpaceX.....

>>16834294
Huh ,never seen the pound sign used as a shorthand for actual pounds.

new handmer dropped

https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2025/03/14/long-duration-propellant-stability-in-starship/

>>16834377
we need to bring that back, I'm bringing that back

Starship can launch approx. 10,000# into orbit

>>16834378
>new
>2025/03/14
you triple nigger

Only now we’re finally up against the wall on schedule here, so NASA plans to run the third Orion heatshield test as part of Artemis II, with four astronauts on board. Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, and Jeremy Hanson, who have decided to name their spacecraft “Integrity,” will be human guinea pigs for this two decade exercise in profligate waste and shockingly poor program management.

Launch Fever
Launch Fever
Launch Fever

>>16834391
Shuttle had human guinea pigs

>>16834136
The name patches double as suit patches in the event they are torn

If you have a short name you're fucked, sorry

why didn't they just bulk buy hundreds of F9 launches the moment SpaceX demonstrated landing/reuse and do on orbit assembly

>>16834309
>sam altman is reckless and he doesn't care if he creates a super intelligence that destroys humanity
>im going to build my super intelligence in space where stone aged humans can't possibly reach it, it doesn't have enough electricity on earth

>>16834385
>One of the major concerns with using Starship for the Human Landing System is that propellant (cryogenically liquid methane and oxygen) need to a) be transferred in orbit and b) maintained for the duration of the mission, which could be weeks, months, or years. In particular, no astronaut wants to board their Starship after a successful 6 week sortie on the Moon only to find the fuel’s boiled off and they’re stuck.

>>16834377
>kids today have never even seen a proper ligature

Guess if one never reads anything printed before the word processor era, that's lost knowledge now.

>>16834400
Who?
SpaceX began landing boosters in 2015 and people (including myself) were still laughing at spacex as a non-serious contender as late as circa 2017…
We have the power of hindsight now but let’s not pretend like everyone saw the F1/early F9 era with crystal clarity. No one realized how fast this company would mobilize, and rockets like SLS and Vulcan and Ariane 6 handwaved SX away and continued on with their more traditional designs

Assume a fully fueled Starship contains 1200 T of propellant. Raptor runs an oxidizer-to-fuel mix of about 3.8:1 (by weight), slightly fuel rich to optimize specific impulse. This means the Starship contains about 250 T of CH4 to 950 T of O2. Liquid oxygen is slightly denser than water, with 1.141 g/cm^3 at its boiling point (90 K) and 1.426 g/cm^3 at its freezing point (54 K). This densification through additional cooling is used on Falcon 9 to increase the fuel loading of the vehicle and further improve performance. Similarly, liquid methane also gets denser as it cools, running from 0.422 g/cm^3 (112 K) down to 0.494 g/cm^3 (91 K).

The liquid methane occupies 506 m^3, while the lox occupies 666 m^3, assuming both fuels are fully sub-cooled to a slush state. The propellant part of the Starship occupies 8 m and 10.5 m of the tube respectively. Even though methane is only 21% of the prop by mass, it’s closer to 43% of the overall prop volume.

The next step is to determine heat fluxes. There are a number of different environments to consider. First, in deep space, the sun provides about 1400 W/m^2 of heat flux while at Earth’s orbit, though this reduces to about 600 W near Mars.

When orbiting a planet, the planet generally shades the sun half the time, but it’s also a source of both reflected light and radiated heat. The Earth’s albedo is ~0.3, meaning about 30% of the light is reflected and 70% is absorbed. That energy is ultimately re-emitted (except for a 0.1% delta contributing to climate change) otherwise Earth would ultimately heat up until it glowed like the sun – a bad time for all involved.

It turns out (thanks Archimedes) that the surface area of a sphere is exactly 4x its cross sectional area, so radiated heat is ¼ of 70% of solar flux near Earth (240 W/m^2), while reflected flux is about 420 W/m^2, depending on geometry, when over the daylight side of the Earth. In summary, a Starship in LEO is taking 1400 W/m^2 from the sun + 660 W/m^2 from the

>>16834409
kids these days see ligatures every time they have to provide an email for registration somewhere.
i had to look up whether @ is a ligature, and it is, but more importantly, its first documented use was in a bulgarian manuscript from 1345, as the a in "amen".
pic related.

....

>What if we did no active cooling at all? The heat energy required to heat and boil off sub-cooled liquid methane is 584 MJ/T. For LOX, it’s 274 MJ/T. At 300 kW of heating, that’s a loss of 77 T of prop per day. Starships won’t arrive on the Moon fully fueled, but even if they did, they’d boil off completely in just over two weeks. This is non-ideal.

>Fortunately, there’s a straightforward way to solve this problem: multi-layer insulation (MLI). 20 layers of space blanket cuts heat flow by up to 99%. Now our unchilled Starship on the Moon only boils off <1 T of prop per day, takes a few years to boil off completely, and more importantly cuts the total heat load from 10x the LEO case to about 10% of it. If we want to get fancy, we can even put an appropriately-sized chiller system on the Starship with a solar array and radiator on a pivot to keep the solar array facing the sun and the radiator in the shade as the sun takes ~29 Earth days to rotate all the way around the horizon.

tl;dr- MLI blankets with no active cooling make HLS boil-off completely negligible for Artemis mission timeframes

>>16834410
>rockets like SLS and Vulcan and Ariane 6
didn't Vulcan and A6 both get delayed by at least two years even without attempting recovery? So much for industry experience.

>>16834415
@ isn't a ligature. @ is a symbol.

>>16834410
It's not hind sight
It's when spacex landed a booster, and static fired that booster multiple times, any objective person knew things were going to change

I was definitely recommending it at the time too

NB: # is a simplified symbol for the "lb" ligature. And no not looking up the alt keypad code for a proper "lb".

>>16834421
fair enough, the only thing in the wikipedia article pointing towards it being one was it being in the ligature category, and that's not something you need citations for.
the pound sign's a real one though. i didn't know that either.
the only other common ligatures in the digital age that i know of are specific to non-english languages, like the german ß (long s plus z ligature, not to be confused with the greek letter beta), or æ for when you want to make fun of how elon names his children



>>16834294
lunar wanders lookin sus

>>16834432
[math]\unicode{U+130B8}

>>16834436
One of the ideas that was considered fairly early on in Apollo were open-cab single-seat lunar landers. The astronaut or astronauts would suit up in the capsule, spacewalk to their landers, and descend to the lunar surface in one long EVA. The advantage of this was that the vehicle was very light. The disadvantages were everything else.

>finally open up the handmer article
>80 pages of ranting
how do you expect anyone to read this?

>>16834448
it's good

I'm reading about the effects of spaceflight on the human body and holy shit I used to meme about alarmists and doomers but radiation and zero-G are serious problems that are preventing us from reaching Mars, and that's before even getting into the psychological aspects.

>>16834454
Jelly babies

>let's make our lunar lander stupidly tall
>and let's also make it top heavy on a planet with 15% earth gravity
What are they thinking?!

>>16834454
>radiation
no
>but!
LNT is pseudoscience.

>>16834460
That it has to be launched into space on top of a rocket

>>16834448
Right to left

>>16834050
>this is why Anduril seems to have accomplished so much in so little time
>they actually do things, engineers are able to talk to middle management and the structure is functional instead of completely dysfunctional
>people who don't do anything get fired

bruh the only thing they've done is build some test drones that have less capability than missiles from the fucking 1970s

AR displays are fucking 1990s tech, r lee ermy even demo'd one on the history channel in 2004, literally aiming a gun around a corner

palmer is a good hype man but he doesn't understand defense as a concept, just flashy and cool looking things

>>16834460
Jeff solves the tipping problem by increasing inertia 10x.

>>16834478
how is this a demo again?

>>16834470
sounds a lot like "DC-X already did the thing SpaceX did"
until its scalable and actually works outside of demos, it doesn't matter
remains to be seen if the AR/VR helmet does this, but some shit tier demos 20 years ago don't make an actually working integrated AR helmet any less good, just like some small test campaign with a reusable launch system doesn't make what SpaceX did with Falcon 9 any less transformative

>>16834479
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/somd/space-communications-navigation-program/technology-readiness-levels/

>>16834479
demonstrating that some subsystems work in space?
idk

https://x.com/vast/status/1984423602356437112

launch NET May 2026

>>16834429
neat. never knew that derivation
but do you know where the octothorpe came from?

>>16834424
>>16834429
fascinating! I figured one of the gay ligatured Apple fonts would retain this, but not even Chancery and Zapfino render # like this

>stealth /gd/ thread? in my /sfg/?

>>16834479
they are testing systems that will be used on haven 1

>>16834466
Kek

I've got the Sunday Blues

>>16834309
This has been done before during the War in Heaven and proved more trouble than it was worth.

>>16834481
well its objectively true that the military is only giving them trials and all the other big companies directly sell more volume of the same type of products, like why are you arguing if you're ignorant?

microsoft is the primary contractor for AR headsets by the DoW, and they started shipping two years ago. just because palmer is competing doesnt mean his products are better because lol they arent

>>16834429
/sfg/ - /Symbol Foundations General/

expandable nozzles, cool https://youtu.be/AazmxNs5kmE?t=408

>>16834521
Expendable nozzles

>>16834533
reusable nozzles!

>>16834535
Tory Bruno promised us SMART reuse, why hasn't he delivered? What a conman, we should nationalize ULA.

>>16834539
don't worry, once they start being SMART spaceX is toast

>>16834540
>that chart
And people unironically complain about Elon's promises lmao. The funniest part is that nobody gives a shit and they always get away with it, maybe Bory Truno should give Elmo some lessons.

>>16834546
the best part is the chart is complete bullshit

>>16834309
We are star stuff

>>16834552
maybe you

>>16834548
Here's the paper describing it. Try not to laugh too much.
https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/supporting-technologies/launch-vehicle-recovery-and-reuse-(aiaa-space-2015).pdf
>[...] SMART vs Booster Fly Back. The former becomes profitable after a couple of uses while the latter requires ten uses to become profitable. >The difference is mainly because of the 30 per cent performance loss to land the booster downrange on a barge. Using the same rationale, equation, and input data, booster fly back is never profitable in a return to launch site scenario.

>>16834561
And here's the famous 'reuse index' equation that they used.

>>16834415
I really like that 1 stroke version better than the one we use now

>>16834563
Looks good. How come SpaceX gets away with it? It is a scam?

>>16834378
>Starships won’t arrive on the Moon fully fueled, but even if they did, they’d boil off completely in just over two weeks.

>>16834580
>>16834416

>>16834573
The US govt gives Musk money because reasons, subsidies, etc.

>>16834583
wait multi-layer insulation is the solution for two weeks?

>>16834591
yup apparently, can even throw in active cooling there too, I can hardly believe it though

Interesting pressure effects on this morning's Bandwagon launch

>>16834486
so where's the toilet?

>>16834615
dragon

>>16834615
they use the dragon for the toilet

>>16834600
>>16834601
what's going on here? was its, err, tail catching fire?

>>16834627
I think that's the flow separation effect that skuttled Firefly's last Alpha launch. The rocket isn't going perfectly straight, so it builds up a low pressure region on the leeward side that sucks up hot gasses from the exhaust plume. I think this might be the first really good view we've had of it because this happened to be a night launch headed to an odd inclination.

When Blue Urine Niglin launch?

>>16834635
6 days i think

>>16834601
A lot of shaking going on.

Vast posted a 4k video of the Haven Demo solar array deployment
https://x.com/vast/status/1985172207757336810

>>16834639
That looked kinda rough lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNB7Cq4vrkk
LM-7A launching a mystery payload probably towards geostationary orbit in T-50:00

>>16834224
Better than dildos rockets.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxN_vwl4J34
isnt this old? did they repost it?

>>16834657
T-14:30

>>16834684
launched a few minutes late (too bad stream is on a potato)

>>16834657
>>16834690
>cameramen are random guys with phones
man, the chinese really don't give a fuck lmao

>>16834695
this is probably a spysat launch, since there was no announcement of the identity of the payload

>>16834601
>>16834633
I'd been thinking for a while that max-Q is probably just a meme for current rocket designs and they should just ignore it but I guess this is why they can't.

>>16834700
chinks need to ditch commie red for jade green to better align with my vidya and anime depictions of them

>>16834695
gweilo aren't technically even allowed to watch

>>16834309
He will become one with the sentient sun via neuralink. Grok's current fluctuations are due to him being connected part of the time.

>>16834519
Palmer took over the contract from Microsoft you retard, wtf are you talking about
This is fucking comical

>>16834710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39AuRjJ0Gfs

>>16834698
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1985203092200058978
>Well this became the latest in so many Galaxy Cat moments of Chinese spaceflight lately as this LM-7A launched at 03:47 UTC appears to have delivered to GTO sth named Yaogan 46. Yes, it's named even in official reports as for "national resources/hydrology/meteorology surveying".

Yeah, it's another spy satellite

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985207645901570078
>SpaceX will lean in big on the Moon

>>16834710
you can't see it in the picture, but von braun is actually held at gunpoint here, that's why he looks so nervous.

>>16834726
elon sees a lunar gold rush coming. there's something he knows that we dont.

>>16834734
did we just witness a bird dying?

>>16834730
>put on the mouse ears

>>16834739
Many such cases

>>16834309
that's insane

>>16834737
>something he knows that we dont
the sentient sun knows

All 258 rockets launched in 2025 so far, chronologically and at scale.

>>16834737
Yeah he knows he's about to lose the HLS contract unless he pretends to give a shit about the moon.

>>16834743
And of course the same media that calls musk a beetle mass murderer stayed silent when the shittle killed birds left and right lmao

>>16834739
Yeah, what a dumbass.

>>16834757
It lived in China. Little bro is finally free.

>>16834713
Elon is based for this

>>16834309
sigh..

>>16834726
Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially viable lunar economy. Moon Base Alpha may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Mars is real. You've seen the renders. We're building the Starship. We have all the Raptor V3s done, ready to be put on the aft end at Starbase... I don't see any concrete plans for a lunar economy, except that they're going to sell some helium-3 and that becomes the economy. It's not that easy in lunacy.

>>16834774
dying on the moon would be so fucking cool, you know, just like slowly bleeding out in the snow.

>>16834752
But I was told Elon Musk didn't want to go to orbit anyways with the Starship??!?!

>>16834774
Helium 3 is like the single must precious thing we can mine as humans. The moon economy will be exponentially bigger than a Mars economy for a variety of reasons, namely that it's so much closer and easier to get to. The only way Mars will ever catch up is if it's fully terra formed.

New Eager Space video. This time on the harsh reality of the space economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3aSAjuHdFI
I feel like I should compile a list of videos and articles on the Space Economy to help anons if they want to invest into space companies.
If we're going to the moon then our bank accounts might as well too.

>>16834774
There's no "commercially viable summit of Mt. Everest economy" either, but as long as people want to go there, there will be industry based around that.

>>16834792
>>16834281
>12 hours
good morning sir

>>16834792
based makemake poster

>>16834801
It's Mike Brown posting from Planet 9

>>16834624
>>16834625
Designated shitting module

>>16834615
You just hold it until reentry

>>16834615
there's a small jettison port, your asshole makes a perfect seal when exposed to the vaccuum of space

>>16834816
You don't even have to push

>>16834737
Elon sees a way to advertise selling rocket flights to retards who think data centers in leo and quantum computers on the moon are closable business cases. Anything to get the cadence up and pad his pockets.

>>16834797
>Eager Space - I've been interested in spaceflight since I was very young, back in the days of project Gemini.

So, claiming to be an American -- in his 70s. Guess it's possible.

>>16834820
Old people often struggle to imagine paradigm shifts.

>>16834820
Eager Ulysses Space was born in the early months of 1964, and his first words were "I want to be an astronaut or maybe someday run an eclectic spaceflight youtube channel". His parents were deeply disturbed by this...

Eager remembers watching Neal Armstrong's first walk on the moon and listened repeatedly to a short record (ask your parents) on their hifi (ditto) of the Eagle landing on the moon for Apollo 11, a very thin record that came with an issue of National Geographic on the historic landing.

Eager paid lots of attention to Apollo and watched shuttle launches off and on when he could get NASA TV to watch it.

Eager has been to one launch intentionally - either STS-133 or STS-134 with offspring who got to skip school to take a trip to orlando - and one accidentally in 2013, when a bike trip on the California coast took us near Vandenberg for USA-245/NROL-65, a Delta IV Heavy launch and we stopped to watch it with some locals.

Eager spent his career writing software and retired from a large Redmond-based software company that you *might* have heard of.

>>16834820
You can see his face in some old videos
70 sounds about right

After Orion is done: buckle the fuck up

>>16834823
God boomers are such windbags

>>16834823
This guy is an absolute laugh riot!

>>16834876
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985199964100902950

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985187793556111427

Raptor 4 under development I guess (probably not the first time Musk talked about this?)

>>16834874
Starship protruding very disrespectfully.

>>16834365
>ave you people read the Culture series?
Culture sucks, Banks is a hack.

>>16834901
so you've read it or not?

>>16834365
The Culture is a dystopia

>>16834879
launch some fucking payloads on starship first elon

>>16834906
people are free to leave and colonize random planets if you wish, why do you think its a dystopia? the Minds do not force anybody to live on orbitals or the ships and in fact there are many splinter groups for one reason or another

>>16834909
They might be free to leave but they are coddled and conditioned to not want to.

>>16834726
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985285685629407723

>>16834915
you're retarded

>>16834917
Someone should tell him about Mercury. Bepi will prove it.

>>16834919
he is somewhat realistic
culture Minds keep humans the way you or I would keep a beloved house-pet

>>16834908
Did Merlin development continue post Falcon 9 finalization?

>>16834917
the moon belongs to rabbit girls, not ai

>>16834817
>delta-p(oo)

>>16834701
>probably just a meme
Yeah, it isn't.

>>16834878
>https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985207645901570078
based antimatter chad

>>16834903
>so you've read it or not?
I did read it.

>>16835019
Well, to be more specific I read Consider Phlebas and The Player of Games.

>>16834701
very high accel + high drag effects due to size means that the airframe is forced to withstand the pressure similar to carrying half an entire other rocket for 15 seconds, so you simply can't ignore it.

>>16835020
Consider Phlebas is kind of meh

>>16834789
Hello newfriend, helium 3 is the ultimate midwit trap. It's the hardest kind of fusion, when we don't even have fusion power working yet, and mining it on the moon is like strip mining a forest to get acorns.

>>16834816
>>16834817
this is the most /sfg/ solution

>>16834789
Current moon mining meme is to turn it into orbital Nvidia chips

>>16834898
Starship always mogs the scene, even when shills try to draw it too small.

>>16835039
didnt NASA just scrap this concept?

Opening up moon and near earth asteroid mining is the only way to solve resource shortages on earth without making pollution worse.

The near earth asteroids have massively abundant resources.

>>16835044
the white house tried to but I think Gateway got funded anyway

>>16835046
>moon mining
We don't even know where anything worth mining is, just seas of regolith.

>>16835054
well the regolith differs somewhat in different regions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon#Elemental_composition

>>16834473
Gonna start posting this as a response any time someone says tl;dr

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985318780332122294
>Starship V3 flight in January. Big step toward making life multiplanetary

Idk if it was 4D chess on purpose, or a happy little accident; but either way it’s apparent that Duffy re-lit the fire in Musk’s belly for this kind of stuff

>>16835064
To that guy who is using his work computer to open X links posted on /sci/ : DON'T OPEN THE LINK

>>16835064
>multiplanetary
>no mention of: nuclear reactors, nuclear propulsion, plasma engines
LOL!

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1270061515094155264

from 2020

>>16835135
the account that has been deleted was Jim Bridenstine (he still has some old account that he hasn't posted on since 2018)

>>16835135
/sfg/ has just turned in to “I saw a gay twink say something about this on spitter, guess I’ll repost on 4ch for (you)s!”

>>16835145
I post whatever I think is interesting indiscriminately

Makes more sense to use starship to reach low earth orbit, then use solar or nuclear ion to go to the moon.

Chemical rockets are only needed for thrust to escape atmosphere. The ISP of solar or nuclear electric ion engines makes them more suitable once ships leave atmosphere.

>>16835151
how do you land on the moon?
having many different propulsion systems increases the complexity radically

>>16835151
What say you if we can more easily launch and refuel a depot or Starship directly, versus having to maintain the infrastructure of a nuclear tug

>>16835157
Another vehicle (lander) parked on Moon orbit, of coursh

>>16835151
If you've got time. Low-thrust trajectories can take months to get to the Moon from LEO and would spend far too long lingering in the Van Allen belts to be viable for crew transport.

>>16835162
so you need 3 vehicles
maybe that makes sense eventually with enough traffic

>>16835175
Never thought i’d die fighting side by side with a she-boon

>>16835157
>>16835159
>>16835164
Yeah you guys are right. Unfortunately ion drives not high enough thrust:weight for lunar reentry.
We are going to need nuclear.
>fuel depot
Is possible, but thats a lot of launches.

>>16835169
It's really fucking easy when you think about it
You launch your "starship", you dock on Earth orbit on some random station, ISS, ISS part 2, whatever.
TSA agents help you thru (creating jobs)
Then you hop on the ION DRIVE BUS™ to Moon, you dock on the Gateway Station, you again go thru customs and land on Moon via HLS.

You can use the ION DRIVE BUS™ system to travel anywhere, doesn't really have to be moon travel.

>>16835174
>>16835175
We will live in a timeline where Nicki Minaj and Elon Musk have a child together

https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1985169720224707018
>DEEP-BLUE completed two (10s and 30s) static fire tests of Nebula-1 first stage, powered by 9x20t-thrust Thunder-R1 engines. Orbital launch attempt coming up next

>>16835054
On earth, we find minerals and valuable metals where asteroids impact. We know the composition of asteroids. Thus under every crater theres valuable ores.

>>16835190
>ion drive
you really want to use metal plasma thrusters since they run on literally just metal powder and that can be made on the moon to refuel it

https://x.com/dpoddolphinpro/status/1985363269368918085
>New Glenn-2 has appeared on the FAA Operations Plan Advisory, indicating a launch NET Nov 7th, 19:51 - 21:50 UTC (14:51 - 16:50 EST). This confirms a daylight launch + landing attempt! A backup attempt is listed for Nov 8th, 19:49 - 21:48 UTC (14:49 - 16:48 EST).

>>16835224
its happening

>>16835202
>that'll teach that stupid launchpad not to fuck with us

Will there be wars on the south pole of the Moon?

>>16835238
I could imagine confrontations like in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-Gi_l-024

>>16835238
in an optimistic future, where any nations besides china make an actual effort to fund a permanent presence there?
maybe.
but western governments have lost their sputnik shock receptors.
they do not perceive being outdone in the space race by china as an actual threat.

Chang'e and the ILRS are a lot bigger than a shiny orb going beep beep in LEO, but no extraordinary funding of lunar missions in the west is taking place in response this time.
Artemis is no true contender to this, unless a bunch of congressmen make it rain on NASA.

>>16835224
tick tock, muskrats...

>>16835101
Bankruptcy

week of nothing but starlinkslop
then suddenly apparently ULA and Nooglin both launching this week

>>16835175
She looks like a gorilla in a wig.

>>16835034
Ah yes, that screenshot of a random post with no sources and a bunch of assumptions settles it. The experts are wrong if they think we need helium 3! That anon already has it all completely figured out.

>>16835260
Does this thing bear any resemblance to the latest renders? (Not mockups, they don't exist yet)

>>16835034
Maybe we could use it for balloons?

>>16835034
>we don't even have fusion power working yet,
and we never will because all of our theories about plasma physics are wrong

>>16835271
>That anon already has it all completely figured out.
Yes

>>16835255
>multiple launch providers driving reusability to lower cost to orbit
Multiple? More than one? Who? What alternate universe is Jared living in; the one where haley’s comet has hit the future artemis base camp site, perhaps?

The cost to space is indeed getting cheaper, because Bezos isn’t competitive so he is instead offering to launch payloads such as Escapade for fractions of pennies on the dollar. Real sustainable space economy you’ve got there, America

MARS IS CANCELLED.
IT'S MOON FIRST.
ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

Fuck Mars.

>>16834878
>but how do you slow down at your destination?
The destination should already have a laser set up if it's a solar system worth going to. Expensive antimatter will probably only be used for probes

Mars, the Moon, idk so long as I can die offworld.

Fuck 27023 Juuliamoreau

>>16834879
>>16834908
>payloads
That's for raptor 5 edition

>>16835303
they are gonna put up v3 links as soon as next year. he said as much

>>16834963
>the moon belongs to rabbit girls, not ai
Why not Ai rabbit girls?
On bikes

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985393270847934664

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/11/capitol-hill-is-abuzz-with-talk-of-the-athena-plan-for-nasa/
>In recent weeks, copies of an intriguing policy document have started to spread among space lobbyists on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. The document bears the title “Athena,” and it purports to summarize the actions that private astronaut Jared Isaacman would have taken, were his nomination to become NASA administrator confirmed.
>The 62-page plan is notable both for the ideas to remake NASA that it espouses as well as the manner in which it has been leaked to the space community.

Jared Isaacmans 62-page plan for NASA called Athena has been spread among space lobbyists

>>16835306
>Isaacman’s nomination was pulled in late May, largely for political reasons. Trump then appointed his Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy, to oversee NASA on an interim basis in early July. As a courtesy, in August, Isaacman’s team edited a shorter version of the plan down to 62 pages and gave a copy to Duffy and his chief of staff, Pete Meachum.
>According to sources, these were the only copies of the pared-down Athena plan distributed, so the initial leak came from either Duffy, Meachum, or someone acting on their behalf several weeks ago. Since then the document has been percolating among space lobbyists and policy officials. In recent days it has also been leaked to several reporters via multiple channels.

>>16835306
>In the big picture, this leak appears to be part of a campaign by interim NASA Administrator Sean Duffy to either hold onto the high-profile job or, at the very least, prejudice the re-nomination of Isaacman to lead the space agency. Additionally, it is also being spread by legacy aerospace contractors who seek to protect their interests from the Trump administration’s goal of controlling spending and leaning into commercial space.

Fucking snakes man

>>16835174
>every human
What did they mean by this?

>>16835312
They like to repeat this shit but early 2020 was abysmal with something like 3 humans only in space on the ISS skeleton crew

>>16835306
Has it been leaked publicly yet? I want to read it.

>Duffy
Status quo, oldspace, SLS Orion aeturnum, snake, powermonger, political ambition, cares about NASA as a means to his political ends only, will gladly hand the reigns to oldspace costplus grifter contractors and senators (Cruz)

He's got to go.

>>16835330
I wonder what Trump is waiting for here

>>16835309
I hope the mission fails

>>16835330
>>16835338
Support from senators that serve SLS

>>16835354
what mission?

>>16835306
KWAB get this slithering faggot outta here. Can’t have your cake and eat it too Mr. Duffy—no way you can keep the old guard happy with bloated contracts and not get embarrassingly lapped by China. The law of equivalent exchange is not subtle here: do you want to continue the previous 20 years of delays and cost overruns to line your friends’ pockets? Then you shall see no results.

>>16835306
>nucleoor gateway

based

>>16835308
With boomer politicians, you lose.

>>16835361
dont know what's worse, millennial women or elderly boomer men

>>16835362
Boomers. They don't give a fuck about the end result. All they care about is max grab for their constituents, end results be damned.
It's why we haven't been outside LEO since 1972.

>>16835355
but they aren't going to support it? or trump has to do something else for them

>>16835366
Trump wants their support for his other plans, so he is being forced to keep SLS

>>16834752
WTF, I didn't realise Electron was THAT tiny

>>16835338
Trump doesn't give a fuck about space. He thought it'd make him popular in his first term, it didn't really.
Now all his attention is spent on chasing a Nobel Peace Prize he'll get the day after Stalin and Hitler share one posthumously.

>>16835371
nothing really flashy happened on Trumps first term with respect to space, thats why the public doesn't care
it needs to be something substantial and very obvious

>>16835374
Demo-1.

>>16835338
While overall Trump has been really good, especially compared to what Kamala would have been, he's also an ancient boomer that cares way too much about green line going up. I bet he's afraid Jared will spook the old space markets and there will be endless reports about losing American old space jobs because of Drumpfs pick.

>>16835368
That's a firecracker

>>16835375
not flashy at all, its just another type of capsule going to the ISS
nobody knew it happened or cared about it, many people still probably think that they launch people there with the shuttle

>>16835224
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985403104448094597

its over

>>16835379
LOL

>>16835379
Trvth

>This certainly would threaten traditional space contractors who are now leaking the document.

Fuck 'em, after reading that Orion piece they can all go fuck off

Is NASA pork that good?

reminder that Richard Shelby kept orbital refilling tech from happening for decades so that money could be instead funneled into oldspace contractors

>>16835377
>5 Electrons inside Starship
>Refuel the Starship in LEO
>Jupiter direct without any gravity assists and less than 2 years
>Launch all the Electron rockets at Ganymede for being gay

>mooks wants flying car
luckily we have a design by an actual genius to aid his team, I'm aware that it needs front side propellers to balance it
this is something out of sci-fi, fuck real life, if I want a flying car I want it to be thorough, not a half ass, this shit could have so much maneuver freedom, micro-adjustments, and some shit I'm not well versed about

anyone here in the know can tell me what's good and bad about it?

>>16835391
Even your mid-level managers getting $300,000 to 500,000/yr for 15 years for doing jack shit? I’m thinking yeah, these “traditional” contract procurements are highly coveted

>>16835391
government pork is government pork, doesn't matter which agency it comes from

>>16835255
Private capital betting on a buncha scams
And spacex doing their own thing, independent of everyone else

>Trump not rushing to decide on NASA Admin because he's taking his time evaluating how Duffy moves politically and his ambitions if he should ever become a threat to the Vance dynasty

this my cope what yours

>>16835431
Duffy is actually the best choice because he is street smart, you don't need to know anything about rockets, being street smart is enough.

>>16835431
my cope is that Trump and everyone else in the political arena couldn’t give less of a shit about NASA if they tried, this is far from top priority. Hell, it’s even further down than low priority shit

>>16835434
Shelby and Cruz are street smart. Your metric is dumb

NASA is completely fucking irrelevant and nothing will change on their end because its locked in by contracts/bureaucracy/organizational culture

You have to literally fire everyone, bring the average age down to 30 rather than 60 and MAYBE you'll make shit happen

>>16835374
>nothing really flashy happened on Trumps first term
>whites VS blacks demo-1 launch with black woman twerking.jpg
Can't find the image in my 8 thousand image 4chan folder. Not even Samsung galley search can find it

>>16835431
My cope is NASA doesn't matter anymore. As of 2025 they are 7% of SpaceX revenue and falling. Their support only serves prestige purposes. Gov't regulation of SpaceX is more important, and is why Elon better kiss Duffy's ass.

>>16835456
SpaceX/Elon probably wishes they could dump all NASA contracts, too much bullshit for what its worth

>>16835379
>He thinks Sunday is the first day of the week
I knew there was something off about Berger

I love to see /sfg/ cope with so much stuff as of late
>mars will be practically impossible to visit
>not even 10 starships will be enough for anything at all
>we are not going to mars
>china will beat us to the moon
tragical but also comical

>>16835456
>>16835474
It will start to matter much less once Starship starts delivering V3 Starlinks. The 10X jump in capability means they can improve speeds a lot, cost cheaper, pump more, and grow more customer base. They have ~8M customers, imagine adding another 8 million in the next 3-4 years by beaming down Gigabit speeds. Right now, I get ~250Mbps on avg with my Starlink on any given avg speed, but if they can double, triple the avg speed to Gigabit, thats a huge win to win over a huge chunk of people

>>16835453
I don't have the one with the twerking gorilla

>>16835485
People are starting to complain about Starlink prices a lot more often now I'm seeing, you think that will let up when V3 starts deploying?

>>16835453
>>16835486
I remember that, the twerking one was from a separate protest/riot in France not on that day

>>16835489
Starlink will lower price to increase demand in particular cell. They've been doing that to rural areas where there's lot more bandwidth to space but not enough people to sign up. In some places in America, its ~$60/m in empty rural areas.

>>16835308
Duff really is a snake.

>>16835486
Ty saved
:^)

There's a shot clock on Presidential temp appointments for them to hold the job without formal confirmation. 210 days, with exceptions. That would mean Duff could stay until beginning of February 2026, based on when he started at NASA. Trump would have to formally nominate and get him confirmed by then or he gets bounced.

Frankly no idea how this works for someone double hatting from another confirmed job.

>>16835357
>not get embarrassingly lapped by China
Not his problem.

>>16835209
Lol no. There's one deposit on earth that happens to coincide with an impact that may or may not be related.

You're not going to Mars. you're not even going to the moon. How does that make you feel?

>>16835535
To have my feet on the ground.

>>16835535
ok I guess

>>16835320
>I appreciate the question and understand the desire, but I was asked not to publish it. I assume it will come out in due course.

Burger pussied out.

>>16835535
I'm not going to space. I'm not going to ISS. I'm not going to Starbase. I'm not going to Florida. I'm not going to Texas. I'm not going to SpaceX. I'm not working for NASA. I've never seen a real rocket outside of the computer screen. It doesn't change anything

>>16835543
>I'm not going to Starbase. I'm not going to Florida. I'm not going to Texas. I'm not going to SpaceX. I'm not working for NASA. I've never seen a real rocket outside of the computer screen.
you should change these, they're all pretty easy to do

>>16835545
well except for working for NASA I guess, that's more than a drive away

>>16835545
Maybe one day, I'll take a robotaxi ride, if its cheap enough to go state to state. Otherwise, dont wanna go outside my comfort zone.

>>16835542
What a great journalist he is

>>16835545
The one in Houston still has soot on it from its burns on the way back to earth and you can jump up and touch it and get your finger smudged with a little history

>>16835553
>you can jump up and touch it and get your finger smudged with a little history
Did you do it?

>>16835556
Yes and then I accidentally touched my whitewashed jeans and got merlin dust all over my thighs
Falcon boosters are so huge in person. I need to make the drive down to starbase eventually. I keep putting it off

>>16835542
what a bitch

>>16835543
>the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex receiving around 1.5 million guests per year.

If you don't count repeat visitors, that ends up being a pretty sizable proportion of the national population over a lifetime. You're an outlier.

Disclosure: Went as a kid. Got the warning from the tour guide not to go toward the water because of gators.

>>16835564
Its a popular tourist location but I'm not a tourist.

>>16835566
He's willing to make the sacrifice of not having internet to own Elon Musk for what Trump is doing. What a fucktard. Meanwhile, due to Canada's tantrum, it has cost Canada tens of billions of dollars in damages

>>16835566
shit like this is why california lost a ton of jobs that elon created

>>16835570
but he is owning the chuds, don't you see

>>16835570
Texas has gained like hundreds of thousands of jobs Musk created after California exit from Musk.

>>16835566
>Under the contract, Ontario will provide up to $92 million Canadian dollars ($65 million) to reserve Starlink capacity for Ontario and cover hardware and installation costs for 15,000 homes, and a plan to engage Indigenous communities.

The kill fee ends up being free money, so Elon least hurt in this.

>>16835542
Nah, I get it
He has absolutely no way to prove it came from Isaacman and it would make him look like a huge tool for falling for whoever leaked it's lie

>>16835566
This man is brave and could be president someday. We don't negotiate with Elof Hitler

>>16835567
>Posts in space thread
>Refuses to do space stuff

>>16835583
Discussion of space activities is what matters in an online anonymous thread.

>>16835579
many of the people might still buy starlink anyway, just un-subsidized

>>16835570
Their new "one time" wealth tax is killing what's left of their tax base. Incredible governance

>>16835586
Nta but you should visit a rocket garden, anon. Alamogordo has a nice little one.

>>16835587
they probably have starlink already
just wanted gibs

>>16835595
Nah

>>16835566
I love living in a world run by petty retards

>>16835597
Well then you are lost

>>16835587
Weirdly, it looks like the Ontario plan just covered free equipment costs. The monthly was paid by the users.

Compare to the New York Starlink gibs, with free equipment and a $15/$20 monthly.

>>16835602
exif data scrub moment

>>16835595
>Alamogordo has a nice little one.
Source?

>>16835603
these injun communities are fly in only
everything is 10x the price since you have to pay whitey from toronto to fly 8 hours north

>>16835135
>forward thrusters on lunar starship
>stabilize when landing in high winds
huh?

We need to move this forum to China if we want to be a part of space victory

>>16835607
It's in Alamogordo

>>16835610
The whole "no atmosphere on the moon" is a government coverup. It has a normal atmosphere like earth.

It's funny how leftists say it out loud when prompted but deny it when you explicitly point it out to them.

New Mexicans are something else
the live like cattle in the desert and have impressive museums displays

>>16835623
Dependent on the society we build, except for all of the parts that refuse to change with peerage, socioeconomic status, or nation.

>>16835306
>i won't let you see this alleged document that is supposedly circulating, but i'm still going to write an article about it

>>16835357
who's the snake? it seems to me, that the snake is the guy who's writing about an alleged document that was allegedly leaked by duffy, but won't let anyone see the alleged document which totally exists and totally was leaked by duffy

>>16835338
He's holding out to see how much additional money he can get Musk to "donate" to get Isaacman nominated

Like illegally crossing borders? This is my first time interacting with leftists. Do they all have cognitive dissonance or just some?

>>16834365
A Culture style society is fiction, and a real future with super intelligent AI is not likely to look anything like it

>>16835639
Are you lost?
>>>/pol/

>>16835623
criminals are just victims of the society ~we~ built bros

>>16835639
CRINGE
What are you talking about? Log out of Discord and never post again.

>>16835579
It would be even more free money if the contract went through. The marginal cost of providing additional Starlink services to Ontario is close to zero.

>>16835648
it was a gibs program for injuns, not to elon, idiot

>>16835580
yet he still wrote an article about it

>>16835649
So what? The point was to provide internet services, so the money would in the ended up in Elon's pocket in the end

>>16835652
*would've

>>16834535
I always enjoy how they didn't even bother to put actually put the engines in the render and just slapped two jpegs on top in ms paint.

>>16835068
More likely is that the reason we've seen so much noise from Musk on this issue recently is that Duffy has successfully been derailing Isaacman in the corridors of Washington, and so Musk launched a public pressure campaign as a last ditch effort to overrule Duffy

>>16835652
cancellation fee which will be more than they woulda profitted originally
And now these people still are going to buy starlink at a premium

>>16835569
>He's willing to make the sacrifice
He's not the one making the sacrifice, he's just the one ordering it.

>>16834573
I don't know if you've noticed, but Falcon 9 boosters are reused more than 10 times

>>16835663
>cancellation fee which will be more than they woulda profit
Why? As I wrote, the marginal cost to SpaceX of providing the service is close to zero. The satellites are going to be flying over Ontario whether there are any customers or not. Additional revenue is almost pure profit.

>>16835569
The fact that you're making a sacrifice by abstaining from a product is true in any boycott. If you didn't want the product in the first place, it wouldn't be a boycott. Of course, the sacrifice is greater the worse the substitutes are.

>>16835648
also Canadia is in the sweet spot latitude where most of the satellites turn around

>>16835672
Isn't that pretty wasteful of propellant?

>>16835673
>propellant

>>16835677
the post he's replying to uses the phrase "turn around" and the webm makes it look like they are actually bouncing off an invisible ring around the poles like the dvd logo.

>>16835607
I went to Alamogordo.

>>16835566
kek, what a surprise. also, this reminds me, does anyone remember this?
https://cleantechnica.com/2025/03/10/billionaire-carlos-slim-cancels-22-billion-in-starlink-orders-due-to-elon-musks-outburst/
>Musk insinuated in January that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim was significantly involved with drug cartels in Mexico.
>Slim decided his giant telecoms company, América Móvil, would no longer need to spend $22 billion on Starlinks in the next few years. Initially, just about 5 minutes after Musk’s tweet, Slim canceled a $7 billion Starlink order.
>“More than money, Musk lost his main partner in 25 countries, in addition to giving up all that territory to companies of his competition
it was all over the news, even though nobody had any source or confirmation for the story lmao

HLS is the realisation of pre-Apollo spaceship concepts.

>>16835680
It would seem that he general level of orbital mechanics knowledge in /sfg/ is being seriously diluted by tourists. It's already bad enough that we get ayystroonomy crap posted here now.

>>16835673
Starlinks have pretty short lifetimes for this very reason.

>>16835686
Its fake shit. Media chases clickbait fake articles about Musk 24/7, particularly the negative ones. There's zero proof of Mexican cartel buying 200 billion worth of Starlink orders. Thats why you cant trust shit.

>>16835673
Yeah, it would be pretty sweet if they somehow could turn around automatically at the latitude matching their orbital inclination

>>16835692
von Braun dreamed of putting a banana in orbit

>>16835626
I want to leave this place so badly

>>16835711
He was putting together a team

>>16835714
Topkek

>>16835626
They have some astronomy oriented communities I've been very interested in for when I retire or at the very least remote hosting one of my telesclopes.
https://nmsouthernskies.com
https://nmskies.com

mcculloch status?

/sfg/ what's your favorite type of ficital spaceships? Mine are the USNC ones since they are the most realistic of what they can be in the next 100 years.

I'm still bullish on $LUNR IM-3 mission success
if it fails then we will need wider asses

Sell all your rocket lab stock NOW

>>16835733
Still collating

>>16835739
I like the UNSC ships, not strictly because I believe they are realistic but the Halo universe in general tickles my autism for things that work under duress.
A cut in half Forward Unto Dawn still had enough working systems to be dangerous
The Interstellar Endurance does the same thing.
Last 2 starship flights have outright been pornographic

>>16835758
Pretty much, compared all to the sci-fi shows out there, those ships look more realistic and I think personally if space travel gets more advanced, get ideas from them. But I do want to add that when the game was being made and drafted, SpaceX wasn't a thing and ideas were not as that much realistic.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/03/jared-isaacman-confidential-manifesto-nasa-00633858

politico has the manifesto

>>16835759
One thing I did enjoy also was that during Reach both the sabers and the Autumn has to be assisted by either chemical rockets or something that was clearly much less efficient but higher thrust.
This is something "realistic" and still dealt with today with SRBs assisting HLOX and MLOX engines. Some day MLOX will probably lift future nuclear ships

>>16835535
YOU aren't. I'M going to fuck the Moon.

>>16835759
>when the game was being made and drafted, SpaceX wasn't a thing
ahhh, I call that the 'SpaceX effect'. They have completely and utterly shattered every single paradigm in the space industry that if a piece of sci-fi or futuristic media doesn't, at the very least, mention them, then it becomes completely unrealistic (in the pessimistic sense). Case in point, The Martian: you have to come up with your own headcanon as to why SpaceX doesn't show up and solve everything in one go.

flight to the moon when?

>>16835773
Another good example comes with Starlink: nowadays you can't use the convenient plot of 'not getting any signal' when the serial killer comes for you, since you now have internet anywhere in the world thanks to the muskrat in chief. That's why some horror movies have to be set in the 90s now lmao.

>>16835778
except Greenland because they're corrupt as fuck and starlink is illegal because it goes against the state-run telecom monopoly.

>>16835782
>Starlink being illegal in Greenland
huh, you made me go into quite the rabbit hole.
https://old.reddit.com/r/greenland/comments/1o3bmed/internet_in_ilulissat/
https://old.reddit.com/r/greenland/comments/1hvigba/whats_the_status_of_using_starlink_in_greenland/
look at these cucks, they'd rather get stuck with 90s internet than giving a penny to musk lmao

>>16835770
Oh yeah, the what's-its-face maneuver that involved basically the orbital dynamics equivalent of a drive by

>>16835773
>you have to come up with your own headcanon as to why SpaceX doesn't show up and solve everything in one go.
The only thing that would really change the Martian is a company like SpaceX would otherwise have zero issue affording launches and you'd git rid of the entire China cooperation arc.
In a commercial age there would also be less NASA lookalike hardware.

The whole plot would say the same. The survival story would be relevant in the early days of mars missions with no permanent presence and limited surface hardware
It might even have made for a more interesting story as a cargo starship lookalike landed ahead of time might straight up be empty because of boiloff

Berger and Zubrin going at it on twitter lol

>>16835797
link NOW

>>16835739
I kinda like the ships in deltav: rings of saturn.
to preempt any shilling accusations, I got the game for cheap in a humble bundle, and i'm not sure if the full price is warranted.

that being said, it's a space mining simulator in a near future setting, where you are one of many space miners in the rings around saturn.
there's a space station near enceladus, where you go to refuel, sell your resources, and upgrade or replace your mining barge.
said mining barge is essentially a big metal box, a reactor, and a few nozzles, through which hot reactor coolant(water) is ejected.
the ore bay has beak-like excavator jaws, which you can open to swallow bite sized pieces of asteroids, and those asteroid bits can then be further processed inside your ship, if you have the necessary ship upgrade.
refining ore, besides reducing your encumbrance from useless rocks, also allows you to extract water from ice, to use as coolant/propellant and extend your trip.

what i enjoy about those ships, is how trashy and near-future they look and feel.
all reactors, engines, and weapons(which are not the main part of the game) are either currently existing tech, or things that could conceivable exist within the next 100 years (i.e. fusion reactors and zero gravity ore refineries.
used your thruster too much? now the coolant isn't hot enough anymore and you have to wait a little bit.
you're barreling towards an asteroid and can't slow down because you spent all of the hot water on accelerating?
shouldn't have done that.
missed a mass driver shot on an asteroid?
that thing's gonna keep going for a while, and someone might get hit and complain.

pic related is the starting ship with its jaws open.

>>16835789
they are working on an agreement. in the meantime a doctor was fined for using his starlink dish for telemedicine in Nuuk. it's stupidity beyond belief

>>16835797
I hope they livestream it or make the whole call public.

>>16835816
we have to protect her at all costs.

>>16835804
https://x.com/robert_zubrin/status/1985518433908506782
look at those replies

>>16835819
>mommy and daddy are fighting
Man, I miss pre-Ukraine Zubrin.

>>16835827
I was just about to say. Between covid and Ukr, it fried his brain lol

>>16835816
What is Clear's take on this situation?

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1985525768051703905
>Pallas-1's first stage has completed the static fire test.

>>16835824
I cant I dont have xitter on my laptop

>>16835839
https://xcancel.com/robert_zubrin/status/1985518433908506782
next time replace x.com with xcancel

>>16835840
Oh thank you I always forget what the nitter replacement was called

>>16835739
The BC-303. gray, boxy and phallic as god intended.

>>16835739
>most realistic of what they can be in the next 100 years.
assuming no black swan events happen within the next 2 or so years of course

>>16835833
>What is Clear's take on this situation?
throost away

>>16835849
oh, I thought you were banned....

>>16835849
my wife is so athletic...

>>16835853
every repost is a repost of a repost, faggot

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1985536659795165253
>Let's examine the progress these maiden flight plans.

>CZ-8A: 4 launches already
>CZ-12A: 2nd stage fire. pending for the 1st
>ZQ-3: 1st stage fired twice, prep for launch
>TL-3: 1st stage fired. ? 2nd stage, prep for launch
>Gravity-2: engine fired, the rocket said to be ready in 25
>Hyperpola-3: engine fire, tank ready
>YXZ-1: Done a VT Sea Landing test. the rocket said to have it's maiden flight in 26.
>LJ-2:1st & 2nd stage fired, prep launch
>Pallas-1: 1st & 2nd stage fired, prep launch
>Nebula-1: 1st & 2ed stage fired, prep launch
>Ceres-2:Already at JSLC

>>16835865
it's quite impressive what china is doing. I wonder when they'll get their first reuse done.

>>16835865
is there NO other way to do landing legs besides Falcon 9 style? like come on china

there's alot of politcal intrigue around the nasa admin job. i wonder if they'll make a movie out of it one day.

>>16835876
There's enough vehicles lined for them to have a chance of pulling off a landing before the end of the year. If they don't get it by 12/31, then they'll definitely get it sometime in the first half of next year. A lot of the companies that are lining up their first sets of flight hardware have their second rockets most of the way through production.

>>16834213

smaller with stargazer

>>16835898
I wonder how many people at NASA look at this plan and think
>This is fine

>>16835911
>

Artemis will have the first fatalities in space.

>>16835919
All of these plans seem laughably cubersome if you just want to go to the moon and back (and doing it thrice, probably less trimes).
Dunno if I should pray for the astronauts safety or for their demise for NASA to wake up.

>>16835877
100% 60s style finlegs
Do it China

Why is Sirius twinkling SO MUCH jesus christ what is it about the light from this star that turns it into a rave through the atmosphere, it just flashes between blue and red for me

>>16835481
How can it not be?

>>16835931
The first day of the week is Monday

>>16835928
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jx6CSYzjKd4

>>16835928
anon... thats not sirius...

>>16835932
Only if you're soulless.

>>16835937
Saturday and Sunday are the WEEKEND

>>16835926
they're not? lots of people have layovers at airports, bus stations, train stations, etc. this is no different.

>>16835949
It's cumbersome in the sense that they want to build all of this infrastructure at an increasingly large expense with not much scientific gain. There's no need to build a space station around the moon.
And that's not to say about the fuel transfers on orbit.

>>16835960 (me)
>There's no need to build a space station around the moon.
For landing on the moon I mean.

>>16835937
There's no good argument for Sunday being the first day. Go ahead and try.

>>16835974
don't engage with that anon, he's schizophrenic.

>>16835974
It's more comfy

>>16835974
it's all the way to the left on my calendar

>>16835974
The Sun comes first, then the Moon. Thus, Sunday Monday.

/sfg/ - /Sunday is First General/

https://x.com/DrPhiltill/status/1985539096878407777
>Over the years Elon has evolved the concept on how to pay for Mars settlement, and I think his posts yesterday and today should be interpreted in that context.

The evolution:

1. (2016 Guadalajara) Settlers will sell their homes on Earth to buy tickets to Mars.

2. (2017 Adelaide) Starship (BFR) will raise funds by doing point-to-point transportation on Earth.

3. (October 2018 Twitter) Elon stated that his personal wealth (Tesla, etc.) is earmarked to pay for Mars as bridge funding.

4. (May 2019 Starlink press conference) Revenue from Starlink is tied to paying for Mars settlement.

5. (A few days ago on X) Starlink will not be just an internet relay, but a distributed AI compute system.

6. (Yesterday and Today) Elon leans further into space-based compute and lunar resources to build it.

I think this formula (all of the above) will easily pay for Mars. I mean, building it won’t be easy at all, but the upside of space-based AI is unbounded, so Mars funding should be covered easily by this plan. I have long believed that economics will be the hardest part of Mars settlement — not radiation or gravity or technology — and I honestly think the economics can now be seen as a solved problem.

>>16836034
P2P will never be viable

>>16836034
people are still going to have to sell their house and maybe more if they want to afford a ticket

>>16836034
I don't think that Elon Musk will spend much for Mars colonisation. Every dollar he spends on Mars is one less for his AI/robotic/space data center dream, which makes him less competitive and less influential. There will be probably some sort of Mars colonisation but it will be slow and only a side project.

reddit turned on isaacman after he was outed as being against nasa monitoring climate data in the athena report. duffy is going to stay on and we're going to suffer for it.

>>16836078
duffy is inside a government building, correct? which one?

>>16836045
That would be the best business plan the world has ever seen: robbing gullible people of all they have to send them to die on Mars.

>>16836093
not a lot of repeat customers

>>16835877
Why change something that works?

>>16836093
their names will be etched into history. their faces will be remembered by martian children.

>>16836078
Do you seriously believe reddit holds any sway on this matter?

>>16835932
traditionally it's Sunday, you're thinking of the "work week"

>>16835824
>>16835839

>>16835974
You're just biased because calendars put them together
Sunday at the left and Saturday at the right and suddenly week-ends make more sense

>>16836125
The weekend is at the end of the week.
Simple as.
It's not "Saturday is one of the week-ends, Sunday being the other"
Saturday and Sunday together are the weekend.

>>16836118
release the fucking epst- isaacman files

>>16835974
It's all relative to your frame of reference.
Monday (moon day) is the first day of the lunar week.
Sunday [...] is the first day of the solar week.
Thursday (terra's day) is the first day of the earth week.

https://x.com/DrPhiltill/status/1985524728132411509
>In case you weren’t paying attention, in the past 48 hours, the world’s greatest Von Braunian (Elon) has embraced O’Neillianism. Lunar manufacturing. Mass drivers. Massive industry outside a planetary gravity field. All this and Mars, too. Wasn’t on my bingo card for 2025.

https://x.com/peterrhague/status/1985600097187401932
>Normies don’t understand this is like the Pope converting to Islam.

>>16836149
>omgggg elon embraced practical uses of space for manufacturing and industry
and? It's not really that complicated. not like elon embraced oneill cylinders, that would make him retarded

>>16836152
Actually caring about industrializing the moon is pretty big, seems like the napkin math on the solar panels and data centers does work because previously it was just about a research base

>>16835588
Not a united statian, but my understanding is that it's unconstitutional and would be overturned by the supreme court. It's more of a purity test.

>>16836156
There might be ways to structure so it's not unconstitutional
Risky to stsy in California as a resident

>>16836153
when you have the capital afforded by starlink, a lot of business cases close

>>16836152
Yeah Elon remains committed to working on a planetary surface, which is the sane option.
The moon is a planet

>>16836149
took me a minute to realize, that with Von Braunian he means his mars obsession, not the salute he did that one time.
i'm glad if he got over that, the other one clearly makes you better at launching rockets, and he should keep doing it.

>>16836211
von Braun wasn't really a nazi, I think he was more an opportunist and being friendly with the governing powers and just wanted to launch rockets

>>16836034
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985581987529130381
>Yes

>>16836213
yeah, it was the context that did it for me.
pardon me for seeing a tweet mentioning elon in the same breath as an ex SS guy, and expecting it to be like all the other tweets comparing elon to various nazis.

>>16836034
7. (Few years forward) Elon realizes he will have much greater influence on the future if he just keeps chasing what Earth economics rewards him for, Mars relegated to a side project

So why can't Starship just do Artemis by itself again? Why is Orion/more moving parts necessary?

>>16836118
>ZuZu trying to be somebody again.

He should just accept he's no longer relevant -- if he ever was -- and just fade away.

>>16836102
>remembered by martian children.

The Martian children with brittle bones from low gravity and retardation from cosmic radiation? They won't be able to even remember their own names.

>>16836190
Moon's gravity is too negligible, we are almost certain a long term human presence isn't doable.
If you go for rotating environments it's o'neil cylinders without the advantages.

>>16836232
It's perfectly fine for industrialization. And there are resources there.

>>16835686
This was retarded. The reason people said this was because after slim cancelled the contract they looked at elons net worth and saw it went down by 22 billion and attributed that entirely to slim.

>>16836224
it can

>Why is Orion/more moving parts necessary?
its for pork
all of artemis exist for pork
SLS, Orion, Gateway, everything is for pork

>>16835768
>Critics argue that such a move misunderstands the nature of scientific funding, since science, by its nature, isn’t a commercial venture.

"Also, thanks for funding my science, that I will now spin off into a commercial venture I own."

You don't hate scientists neatly enough.

Bessent gave Elon that black eye. Probably manhandled that freak kekw
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1985518128902590835

>>16836240
What's NASA's public reasoning for using both together?

>>16836248
Starship didn't exist when the Artemis program was started, I think NASA is basically pretending that Starship doesn't exist for the most part

>>16836244
>>16836245
>flashbacks to his South African school days getting beat up by huwhite kids

>>16836252
and in a sense they are somewhat right, its not operational yet
but the pretending is mostly due to politics, if you rock the boat you get fired
the people deciding and controlling NASAs budget (senators and congressmen) want money to go to their districts, be that a specific NASA centre or some oldspace contractor due to jobs and the votes that brings

>>16836248
NASA let Orion pork up until it was too heavy for SLS to send an Apollo style Cap and Lander. So, Gateway in a sperg orbit was required as a way station. Don't think NASA even bothered with a justification beyond "we gotta". Failure was designed into the plan.

>>16836254
its not a good idea to piss of Musk
he won't forget this even if he calmed down for the time being

>>16836060
Except he's already privately funding the largest space program in the world you fucking retard

>>16836231
Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid.
In fact it's cold as hell.

>>16836274
Kill yourself

https://x.com/clearusui/status/1985579089470898481
>めぐるとごももとくりあとかかぽとらでん(画像順)...
>北白川亭...ご...め...??りあ?
>宇推亭かごめ???
>#らでんちゃんと美術

>>16836287
@grok is this real

>>16836287
>missing the last word
brb kms myself

>>16836287
I would fill her with cum

https://x.com/RedwireSpace/status/1985488832330940439

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWGnfvhseFU
>How Elon Musk Blew Up NASA’s Leadership Battle

>>16836293
LLM summary

>>16836293
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985695217966858502

RedWire is also a client of lobbyist company the Artemis Group run/owned by Jim Bridenstine

based

>>16836290
Yes, that’s a genuine clip from a popular VTuber cycling event in Japan. The low-angle shot captures the authentic physics of the ride quite accurately.

>>16836293
Rewire is subtarded

>>16836294
>please give me money

longer summary
>In a podcast interview, former NASA associate administrator Mike Gold discusses the heated U.S. space race against China, defending acting NASA head Sean Duffy's push to reopen the Artemis lunar lander contract amid delays with SpaceX's Starship and potential competition from Blue Origin, while praising Jared Isaacman's poise as a renomination contender, emphasizing the need for political savvy over technical expertise to secure funding and beat China to the moon by 2029 through streamlined procurement and infrastructure like the Gateway station—though as of November 2025, Duffy remains interim administrator amid ongoing White House deliberations.

pic related is a one page summary

>>16836290
No, the shadows on the bicycles don’t align with the sunlight direction, and the tire treads leave inconsistent patterns on the path.

>>16836294
>We shouldnt be fighting
>China is focus
>SpaceX should be cancelled for the good of America
>Elon Musk should be thankful
>Also, we're totally not a SLS lobby group

Why don't the Gateway shills just pivot to an ISS successor and lobby for gibs for that?

quotes defending the existence of Gateway

>>16836302
because those are run by individual companies already and the Gateway shill companies are probably not those companies or working with them

>>16836299
>>16836301
I meant that the summary in that tweet was generated.

>>16836304
>5 to seven days without gateway
Chat is this true??

https://x.com/spacex/status/1984885305841799452
>New footage of Falcon 9 launching the Bandwagon-4 rideshare mission to orbit

In the words of based coomer Casey
>The fact that [SLS] is 100 times too expensive is a feature, not a bug. Because the whole purpose of this exercise was to spend a shitload of money and make a shitload of money for key constituencies. It's not even where the real money is made. This is not Medicare-level, scam-level money. This is ripping-off-NASA-level money. It doesn't even fund that many semi-corrupt people, right? It's a neat little racket for the people involved, but it's not a huge amount of money in the grand scheme of things. It's like tens of billions a year, not trillions of dollars a year. It's small fish.

>>16836310
looks more like new shepard

>>16836304
>Mike Gold is a former NASA Associate Administrator for the Office of International and Interagency Relations. He was also responsible for providing strategic direction to the Office of General Counsel and supporting NASA’s LEO Commercialization efforts. Prior to joining NASA, Mr. Gold was the Vice President of Civil Space at MAXAR Technologies, and was also General Counsel for the company’s Radiant Solutions Business Unit. Additionally, Mr. Gold spent 13 years at Bigelow Aerospace. Mike is also Trans -- if that matters.

The Pig goes "Oink Oink!"

>>16836323
>Mr. Gold spent 13 years at Bigelow Aerospace
kek

>>16836334
>That said, a self-sustaining city on the Moon, while not as resilient to calamities that affect Earth as Mars (due to its proximity to Earth), is probably nonetheless worth the doing, in addition to Mars.

okay now its a city on the moon, not just a science base or even industrial exploitation but a city

>>16836334
>much more important things to do in space before building a city on Mars
>such as 3/4 things that don't meaningfully contribute to advancing spaceflight
nice phd

>>16836334
Aaaaand then there’s always his pseud arguments. Elon gets a pass because he’s the only one seriously building up the infrastructure needed to put man on Mars. But that doesn’t excuse his retarded redditbrained theories. Even bigelow sometimes seems to be more grounded with his belief in ayys

>>16836336
>>16836343
jello babies: moon edition