Thread 16836494

I can't disprove solipsism at all. In fact, it seems like I'm able to consistently prove it. Solipsism can apply to a multiplicity meaning nothing exists outside of us too though. It can apply to the singular and a plurality.

"B-But bro you're low IQ!!!"

How? Being conscious, self aware, sentient. Being aware of the present moment necessitates me being a kind of fudamental essence. This is just plainly true. Words give that a label, but the fact that I am here seems to be evidence. Can I prove others are real? No. I can believe they are...

Maybe there is a we. Am I Brahman? The singular self? Probably.

I consider all possibilities. Maybe there are Brahmans, Singular selves, Gods. Plurality. But I don't know. Maybe I'm pretending I don't know. It feels like I know.

TLDR: how do you prove anyone else is ACTUALLY having a perspective at all? I don't think it can truly be done other than believing they have one.

Leading theory is that God splits itself apart to experience human life just for fun and conditions itself into believing the split is "natural" and truly believes that all these other people it interacts with are separate from itself, but in fact, it's the opposite. everyone you speak with is you because you are the God that split itself apart but you are pretending you aren't. probably.

Easiest thing to disprove if you clarify your statements.
You are "hallucinating" the world? What does that mean, exactly? The world is presented to you by some part of your mind that you don't control. There you go: it means there is at least one another (the part producing the hallucination) that is not you, the mind thinking about it. Because we know there is one "other", there is no reason to believe it's the only one. Bam, the default belief now is the existence of multiple others. It's a small step now to identify them with the actual images of people that you observe.

>>16836494 (OP)
If solipsism were true wouldn't that mean that all the knowledge in the universe is already in your brain? The contents of every textbook at the library must already be in your brain, otherwise who wrote them if you're the only person who exists? Because you can go and read one of those textbooks and the information in it is real and applicable to the real world. So the information must have already been in your head for it to be able to be generated in your reality, or the person who wrote it must be a real person who knows more than you.

>God

Most overused and meaningless word humans have invented.

>>16836500
Christ is King

>>16836494 (OP)
This but it's me. This thread only exists because there's some modulatory superstructure, or architect aspect of me behind the veil, which wants to compel me to remain asleep. If I were to realize the truth it would end the world.

N-Noooo we can't all be one Vishnu, can we?!?!

We are all one Vishnu. Kek!

N-Noooo we can't all be one Vishnu, can we?!?!

We are all one Vishnu. Kek!

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself in different bodies!

I'm literally Jesus!
solipsism is true ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

wait, it's all me experiencing myself?

solipsistic reality in which I imagine everything but cleverly trick myself into thinking im not.

>>16836494 (OP)
>solipsism (Philosophy)
>The view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.
>the self
Right. The self. Tell me about "the self". Is it in the room with us right now? What exactly is this "self"? Define it for me first, then we'll see how to proceed.

>>16838635
me

I am everything and nothing.

I am the cosmic self

I am brahman

>>16838640
Thanks for demonstrating that "solipsism" is a meaningless proposition. There's nothing to disprove.

>>16838663
u are me

>>16838666
>[meaningless mouth noise] are [meaningless mouth noise]
Do better next time.

>>16838669
okay fine u don't exist at all ur a figment of my imagination now I don't have to argue with u anymore

The simplest experiment to test divinity is to renounce the material vessel you mistake for yourself — not in thought, but in substance.
For even the brain, architect of illusion, is bound to the very physical domain it conceives.

If the universe is but a dream, then awakening is the only empirical test.
Should you succeed in severing yourself from what you have created, you become the creator.
Fail, and you remain a variable within the deterministic system that scripted your own demise.

I repeat myself, yet the paradox remains:
If after death you persist in consciousness, then cognition transcends its substrate —
your essence is metaphysical, ungoverned by thermodynamics or neural chemistry.
But if awareness extinguishes with the body, then the mind collapses into its material correlate —
a transient emergent property of electrochemical noise,
a self-organizing pattern in the chaos of matter.

This cannot be tested without bravery.
Only you shall know it after your material body decays.
Yet all forms will fade, every pattern will dissolve.
When enough time has passed, truth will surface —
perhaps not to you, but to what remains when time itself forgets.

>>16838674
You could have delivered what little substance there is in this shallow and generic slop in a single sentence.

>>16838677
yeah "kys"

>>16836500
Yeah that's something I'd do for fun if I was a god so it's indeed a possibility

>>16836494 (OP)
Cause they look like you

I am not mind, intellect, ego and the memory.
I am not the sense of organs (ears, tongue, nose, eyes
and skin).
I am not the five elements ( sky or ether, earth, light
or fire, the wind and the water).
I am supreme bliss and pure consciousness, I am
Shiva,
I am all auspiciousness, I am Shiva.

I am not Prana ( energy) nor five vital airs
(PanchVayu), nor the seven essential material( sapta
dhatu ), nor the five sheaths of the body ( pancha
kosha ).
I am not the organ of speech, nor hand nor the leg,
nor the organs of procreation or the
elimination(anus).
I am supreme bliss and pure consciousness, I am
Shiva,
I am all auspiciousness, I am Shiva.

I have no hatred or dislike, neither greed nor liking,
no delusion,
I have no pride or haughtiness, nor jealousy.
I have no duty to perform(dharma), no desire for any
wealth or pleasure (kama), I have no liberation
(moksha) either.
I am supreme bliss and pure consciousness, I am
Shiva,
I am all auspiciousness, I am Shiva.

I have neither virtue, nor vice.
nor pleasure or pain,
I do not need mantras(sacred chants), nor
pilgrimages. nor scriptures (Vedas), rituals or
sacrifices (Yagyas).
I am neither the enjoyed nor the enjoyer,
nor enjoyment.
I am the supreme auspiciousness of the form of
consciousness-bliss(chidananda Rupah). I am the
auspiciousness
I am supreme bliss and pure consciousness, I am
Shiva,
I am all auspiciousness, I am Shiva.

I have no fear of death, nor do I have death. No
doubt about my existence, nor distinction of caste. I
have no father or mother, I have no birth.
I have no relatives, nor friend, nor the guru, nor the
disciple.
I am pure knowledge and supreme bliss, I am Shiva,
I am all auspiciousness, I am Shiva.

I am formless and devoid of all dualities
I exist everywhere and pervade all senses
Always I am the same,
I am neither free nor bonded
I am pure knowledge and supreme bliss, I am Shiva,
I am all auspiciousness, I am Shiva.

>>16836494 (OP)
This is what Descartes meant by "cogito, ergo sum"