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8/4/2025, 4:11:19 AM
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>Genocide route
The best you could argue is the very end after you've effectively mind broken them and set upon that path. They saw Power as truth as the only way to comprehend your warpath. They're a wingman here, not the instigator (otherwise why can you spare first froggit or reset at Sans? if Chara was the reason I wouldn't need a keyboard to play, right?).
>bullying asriel
So I will give you manipulation to the shitty martyrdom plan but I think the other event we know happened was the camera lens incident which was just trolling (before it became plan discussion anyway)? Again Chara had a locket that had them and Asriel as "BFF", and Asriel reciprocated with his own locket he made his GoHD form so it couldn't have been all bad. Also for the plan, you can't even say it was solely for revenge because the game doesn't say, I believe it was a trio of vengeance/self-loathing/compassion that made Chara so die-hard for it.
>Laughing at asgore
Surely Undertale doesn't have a track record with having characters using laughing as a coping mechanism for anxiety, why's goatmom behind you?
>Nothing saying Toby doesn't
Except how he writes in practice, his actions speak more than words ever could. Everyone is attempted to have points of sympathy to their darker actions, even in DR we see King have his edges sanded off in Ch2 (the closest is Spamton but even then, he still has moments of clarity and a rise + fall to make him more than just than mecha-hitler). Now if you want to say Toby fumbled on the execution of a tragic Chara, I can get that (am a Narrachara believer and think it does the best it can do), but I think that's what he intended. Toby's human, he can fail (especially on a game that was a beta for DR), and tried to make one who's floor for heinous shit is genocide grey morality.
>Genocide route
The best you could argue is the very end after you've effectively mind broken them and set upon that path. They saw Power as truth as the only way to comprehend your warpath. They're a wingman here, not the instigator (otherwise why can you spare first froggit or reset at Sans? if Chara was the reason I wouldn't need a keyboard to play, right?).
>bullying asriel
So I will give you manipulation to the shitty martyrdom plan but I think the other event we know happened was the camera lens incident which was just trolling (before it became plan discussion anyway)? Again Chara had a locket that had them and Asriel as "BFF", and Asriel reciprocated with his own locket he made his GoHD form so it couldn't have been all bad. Also for the plan, you can't even say it was solely for revenge because the game doesn't say, I believe it was a trio of vengeance/self-loathing/compassion that made Chara so die-hard for it.
>Laughing at asgore
Surely Undertale doesn't have a track record with having characters using laughing as a coping mechanism for anxiety, why's goatmom behind you?
>Nothing saying Toby doesn't
Except how he writes in practice, his actions speak more than words ever could. Everyone is attempted to have points of sympathy to their darker actions, even in DR we see King have his edges sanded off in Ch2 (the closest is Spamton but even then, he still has moments of clarity and a rise + fall to make him more than just than mecha-hitler). Now if you want to say Toby fumbled on the execution of a tragic Chara, I can get that (am a Narrachara believer and think it does the best it can do), but I think that's what he intended. Toby's human, he can fail (especially on a game that was a beta for DR), and tried to make one who's floor for heinous shit is genocide grey morality.
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