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6/21/2025, 11:40:33 PM
>>95923746
It's a clumsy way to keep storyfag shit out, that has been the point the whole time. It's using a chainsaw to try to carve a turkey.
Are you willing to remove ToEE in your crusade to purge the storyfag shit? I don't know of many people who would find that sane.
>>95923782
All things can be dealt with in good time. But the foundational round rules must be established first else there's no common ground to argue from and it's like pissing into a canyon across from each other.
>>95923812
There was a satisfactory answer in a prior thread. It was because 2e's core rules actively discourage the sorts of gameplay style that OSR is aiming for, instead shuffling those elements into being "optional" or requiring hacking them in to work.
The smoking gun is that gold-as-XP is listed as optional while story milestone XP isn't. This has a profound effect on player and DM motivation, but more importantly shows the design intent of the authors. The later supplementary books expand on the negative elements, but they're immaterial when considering the base game (as any system can and does have swathes of official garbage made for it.)
The only way endorsement of something that is "decidedly 2e" is ever on topic is in the context of hacking apart content made FOR 2e (not the 2e rules themselves), gutting it, and rebuilding into proper OSR supplementary material.
It's a clumsy way to keep storyfag shit out, that has been the point the whole time. It's using a chainsaw to try to carve a turkey.
Are you willing to remove ToEE in your crusade to purge the storyfag shit? I don't know of many people who would find that sane.
>>95923782
All things can be dealt with in good time. But the foundational round rules must be established first else there's no common ground to argue from and it's like pissing into a canyon across from each other.
>>95923812
There was a satisfactory answer in a prior thread. It was because 2e's core rules actively discourage the sorts of gameplay style that OSR is aiming for, instead shuffling those elements into being "optional" or requiring hacking them in to work.
The smoking gun is that gold-as-XP is listed as optional while story milestone XP isn't. This has a profound effect on player and DM motivation, but more importantly shows the design intent of the authors. The later supplementary books expand on the negative elements, but they're immaterial when considering the base game (as any system can and does have swathes of official garbage made for it.)
The only way endorsement of something that is "decidedly 2e" is ever on topic is in the context of hacking apart content made FOR 2e (not the 2e rules themselves), gutting it, and rebuilding into proper OSR supplementary material.
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