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6/25/2025, 8:35:51 PM
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>I still think Haz and the ACP are retarded and a lot of their philosophy is just thinly-veiled pragmatism (as Haz's embarrassing debate with Jay Dyer clearly revealed)
Since you mentioned this, I do think Americans are fundamentally a bunch of Pragmatists (in the William James sense). It's the American tendency to go with "what works." We're willing to roll the dice on Trump if we think what he does will work, and if we don't think it's working, we'll drop it for something else. But what that actually looks like on the left in practice are "sewer socialists" like Zohran Mamdani. There actually used to be socialist big-city mayors in the U.S. in the early 20th century who focused on public infrastructure. The most effective argument against socialism for Americans has been that it "doesn't work," which was made more convincing by the failure of the Soviet Union's militarized command socialism. But as move past the Cold War, I think we're probably returning to the historical average which sets the stage for a return of this kind of pragmatic American socialism. That's what actually "works." Function over form.
>Marxist-Leninists who incorporate Heidegger and Dugin to argue for building socialist "civilizations" (per Dugin)
I watched him being interviewed by a member of Dugin's organization in Russia (the Eurasanist Youth Union or something), and it was funny because the Duginist guy was saying the essential difference between Russia and America is that Russians believe in autocracy or whatever, and Americans are liberals whose politics are shaped by the Constitution, and so they're by definition enemies and so on. And Haz was like, well actually Americans are really a Telluric people who have an organic connection to the soil or something, and looking at the Duginist's expression, I don't think he was buying it lol
>They see American "left"-liberalism as more dangerous to this goal than Trump, so they support Trump both as a lesser evil and as a way to signal that, unlike most Marxist orgs, they aren't anti-nationalist or obsessed with identity politics.
What I find interesting about this is how it ends up mirroring centrist Democrats like John Fetterman who punch left. I do think you're going to see a left that is less obsessed with identity politics, but what will be politically relevent in America are very pragmatic core-issue campaigns.
>I still think Haz and the ACP are retarded and a lot of their philosophy is just thinly-veiled pragmatism (as Haz's embarrassing debate with Jay Dyer clearly revealed)
Since you mentioned this, I do think Americans are fundamentally a bunch of Pragmatists (in the William James sense). It's the American tendency to go with "what works." We're willing to roll the dice on Trump if we think what he does will work, and if we don't think it's working, we'll drop it for something else. But what that actually looks like on the left in practice are "sewer socialists" like Zohran Mamdani. There actually used to be socialist big-city mayors in the U.S. in the early 20th century who focused on public infrastructure. The most effective argument against socialism for Americans has been that it "doesn't work," which was made more convincing by the failure of the Soviet Union's militarized command socialism. But as move past the Cold War, I think we're probably returning to the historical average which sets the stage for a return of this kind of pragmatic American socialism. That's what actually "works." Function over form.
>Marxist-Leninists who incorporate Heidegger and Dugin to argue for building socialist "civilizations" (per Dugin)
I watched him being interviewed by a member of Dugin's organization in Russia (the Eurasanist Youth Union or something), and it was funny because the Duginist guy was saying the essential difference between Russia and America is that Russians believe in autocracy or whatever, and Americans are liberals whose politics are shaped by the Constitution, and so they're by definition enemies and so on. And Haz was like, well actually Americans are really a Telluric people who have an organic connection to the soil or something, and looking at the Duginist's expression, I don't think he was buying it lol
>They see American "left"-liberalism as more dangerous to this goal than Trump, so they support Trump both as a lesser evil and as a way to signal that, unlike most Marxist orgs, they aren't anti-nationalist or obsessed with identity politics.
What I find interesting about this is how it ends up mirroring centrist Democrats like John Fetterman who punch left. I do think you're going to see a left that is less obsessed with identity politics, but what will be politically relevent in America are very pragmatic core-issue campaigns.
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