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7/27/2025, 2:42:40 AM
>>17874864
>So it seems to me like there is good reason to suspect that we're missing part of the original story
If so that would mean all of the statements about God's word not being corrupted, and indeed enduring forever, would have to be false. See for example:
Psalm 119:160
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."
Psalm 12:6-7
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."
Isaiah 40:8
"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Isaiah 59:21
"As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever."
Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
Of course, the New Testament says the same thing plenty of times, calling God's word "incorruptible" and saying that it will never pass away. Jesus said that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than for one tittle of the law to fail in Luke 16:17. So you would have to be saying all of that is false in order to suggest that we're missing any part of Scripture.
>So it seems to me like there is good reason to suspect that we're missing part of the original story
If so that would mean all of the statements about God's word not being corrupted, and indeed enduring forever, would have to be false. See for example:
Psalm 119:160
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."
Psalm 12:6-7
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."
Isaiah 40:8
"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Isaiah 59:21
"As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever."
Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
Of course, the New Testament says the same thing plenty of times, calling God's word "incorruptible" and saying that it will never pass away. Jesus said that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than for one tittle of the law to fail in Luke 16:17. So you would have to be saying all of that is false in order to suggest that we're missing any part of Scripture.
7/2/2025, 2:51:33 AM
>>17806663
>but he was not king on it.
According to the Bible He has all authority and power.
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
- Matthew 28:18
"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
- Colossians 1:12-17
>but he was not king on it.
According to the Bible He has all authority and power.
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
- Matthew 28:18
"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
- Colossians 1:12-17
6/25/2025, 4:05:48 AM
>>17788855
>Calvin tried to account for the fact that the majority of humanity has no chance of accepting the Gospel message
>>The 80% of the human race that died prior to 33 AD
>The 30%+ of the population that never saw a Bible until 1492 or later
>The remote parts of the world that never saw a Bible until the internet age
>The parts of the world that have no internet even today and have never seen a Bible
>the majority of humanity has no chance of accepting the Gospel message
I don't believe this is true for a second. It says in Romans chapter 1 the following:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:18-20
It says that from the creation of the world, these things are seen. This is to the effect that people who deny or reject it, no matter who or where they are, are completely "without excuse" for doing so. That is, as far as the Bible is concerned. Jesus also said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." (Luke 11:9).
The problem isn't that people in history and today aren't getting chances – it's that they never even bother to seek God. If they did, the Gospel would get to them. If there are millions of people who never see the Gospel, it's because not one of them ever even tried to find out about God or the truth. And that is their condemnation.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
- Psalm 19:1-3
>Calvin tried to account for the fact that the majority of humanity has no chance of accepting the Gospel message
>>The 80% of the human race that died prior to 33 AD
>The 30%+ of the population that never saw a Bible until 1492 or later
>The remote parts of the world that never saw a Bible until the internet age
>The parts of the world that have no internet even today and have never seen a Bible
>the majority of humanity has no chance of accepting the Gospel message
I don't believe this is true for a second. It says in Romans chapter 1 the following:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:18-20
It says that from the creation of the world, these things are seen. This is to the effect that people who deny or reject it, no matter who or where they are, are completely "without excuse" for doing so. That is, as far as the Bible is concerned. Jesus also said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." (Luke 11:9).
The problem isn't that people in history and today aren't getting chances – it's that they never even bother to seek God. If they did, the Gospel would get to them. If there are millions of people who never see the Gospel, it's because not one of them ever even tried to find out about God or the truth. And that is their condemnation.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
- Psalm 19:1-3
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