But I would prefer your take first.

>>17804281 (OP)
Initially christianity wasn’t a distinct religion but a sect of judaism that thought jesus was the messiah

>>17804281 (OP)
Judaism is like if your parents leave you a chore list, then a bunch of people from the next state over break into your house, read it, and make up a religion about how the chore list is actually some esoteric prophecy about how they wuz your parent's real children all along

>>17804295
This. It's embarassing to see anglo-saxon men larping as kikes.

>>17804281 (OP)
Jesus is not El Shaddai.

It's 100% true
Basically, Christianity was originally just a minor sect of Judaism with almost no difference
They are not necessarily welcomed but when the Great Jewish revolt happened, Christians fought alongside the Jews

When the temple was destroyed, Judaism pretty much came to a screeching halt as Daniel outright states that the Messiah would come *before* the temple destruction

This led to a MASSIVE theological crisis
But instead of finally accepting Christ, they started coping that synagogues are actually fine, albeit temporarily
When they realized that the temple is not going to be rebuilt, they began attacking Christians
So much so that
1 . They now reject the Septuagint because it predicts Christ (note: the once proclaimed that it is Miraculous that the OT could be translated to Greek)
2. They now reject the dualism of God and Spirit of the Lord because it leads to the Trinity
3. They enforced prayers inside the synagogues that cursed the Christians, despite the fact that they fought alongside them
This continued on until their Expulsion to Babylon where they created the Mishnah and Talmud to cope with their dying culture

tl;dr
Without the temple, Judaism is dead
All you see now are just larpers who cut out their own history and culture because of 1 single guy

PS
Christians are the REAL Jews
We actually worship Yahhweh

The Jews are worshipping something or someone else

>>17804337
>we wuz jews
And there it is kek

>>17804340
Yes. You heard it right

we
are
the
REAL
Jews

>>17804337
Christians despise the law of God. They celebrate the idea of not having to follow them. The holy Sabbath of God is nonsense to them. They don't know about a single feast day and God's festive days. The don't keep the commandments and claim 3 people are God.

>>17804281 (OP)
Talmud jew religion was created as a reaction to Christ's mission coming to fruition. They hated being told they're just a branch of the tree, so they created an entire new religion for the sole purpose of destroying every part of it but themselves. The merciless persecution jews suffered for the last 2k years was fully justified, they should be forced to remain in exile and forced to live under the laws given to them upon the mountain until they choose to take a seat in Christ.

>>17804351
Snake tongue.

>>17804343
Sure bud and I’m the reincarnation of Achilles.

>>17804360
All the fallen knelt to the son in christ for their salvation, he is Lord and only in him is their fall redeemed. The gift of spirit is made holy in him, for the salvation of what God loved enough to sacrifice his own perfection. It is our mistakes that bloody christ, so righteous is our calling.

>>17804393
>righteous
Righteousness*

Another thread where 4chan xians scream that Jesus was the messiah of Judaism despite not doing any of the things that the messiah was supposed to do. Unless everyone just blinked and missed Jesus restoring kingdom of Israel

>>17804413
He did all the things, you just didn't like how he did them.

>Unless everyone just blinked and missed Jesus restoring kingdom of Israel

>>17804281 (OP)
While the Talmud was written later, most historians agree the "oral torah" does have its origins in the 2nd temple period. And of course like Judaism, Christianity has changed massively since its origins in the 1st century. Of course the idea that Jews worshiped the "pre-incarnate Christ" is laughable. Even Christians admit Jews were expecting a militant messiah who would restore the line of David to the throne, not the son of God, let alone an equal person of the Trinity, a concept that didn't even exist in the minds of Jews at the time.
Seeing religion as a continuous tradition of people holding the same beliefs is how religions like to see themselves but it is absolutely not how historians look at them, and this interpretation is particularly brain dead.

>>17804443
>see Christophany

>>17804281 (OP)

The Talmud is not actually an authoritative source on what is an isn't Judaism.

>>17804443
OP

Here:

Do you have anything on this worth reading? Links or books?

>>17804447
>Christophany
Is a concept that did not appear in anyone's mind until the Christian era. 2nd temple Jews and before did not believe this and you can't cite any theological work that shows this is how they interpreted those passages.

"Old Covenant Christianity" was not a real thing. The Old Testament did not predict the future and Jesus did not do half the things the Messiah was predicted to do.

>>17804459
>>"The Old Testament did not predict the future"
nigga half the old testament is prophets giving prophecies.

>>17804281 (OP)
It's true

>>17804344
The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath

The Trinity is older than Christ
YHWH, Spirit of the Lord, and the Angel of the Lord
This was hidden from you and it is your duty to search for the Truth

>>17804459
There were many messiahs before Christ but not many got far
Jesus fulfilled 100 of the 180 prophecies and promises to return to do the last prophecies

The next in rank is Bar-Yeshua who fulfilled only 8

Note that Jesus was active only for 3 years

>>17804333
>>17804337
>>17804522
So, does Luce like anal?

>>17804281 (OP)
Almost true, except the funny hat retards on the right aren't real Christians, they are damnable heretics going to the same Hell to which the Jewiest Jew is damned. Baptists are the real Christians.

>>17804337
You're not a Christian. Have fun burning.

>>17804628
How old is the Earth

>>17804631
>non-sequitur
Tick tock.

>>17804638
You killed your own Church by doing this

>>17804650
>You killed your own Church by doing this
Meds.

>>17804658
Is evolution real?

>>17804344
What did David do when his soldiers were starving?

>>17804631
>>17804659
This board is 18+ only.

>>17804801
NTA but can you answer his questions or not?

>>17804801
Are videogames Satanic?

>>17804337
>Christians are the REAL Jews
wrong. christians are the real israelites. biblical israel is the collection of all people faithful to the god of abraham isaac and jacob, creator of heaven and earth.
jew is an ambiguous term. if you use jew to mean ethnic hebrews, no obviously not all christians are ethnic hebrews. that's like half the point of acts, that gentiles could come to saving faith in jesus without ever having to become "jews" first. there are ethnic hebrews in the church today, most of the early church was ethnic hebrews, but its not some universal or fundamental fact

>>17804857
Eh, that's just being pedantic
Point is that we are the actual continuation of Abraham's faith.
The Jews of today are just a mishapen copy of the original

>>17804281 (OP)
It's how people who don't like Jews cope with the fact Jesus was Jewish.

>>17804857
Scripture sometimes uses Jew as a synonym of Israelite, see for example Revelation 3:9

>>17804344
>Christians despise the law of God.
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
>They celebrate the idea of not having to follow them
"them" being the arcane commandments designed to separate ancient israel from the rest of the world, to preserve a clear bloodline from abraham through king david to the messiah. the purpose of those laws has been fulfilled, and modern israel is meant to include people of all nations united in one body. deliberately dividing that body based on ethnicity via cultural practices is counterproductive to unity in christ
>The holy Sabbath of God is nonsense to them.
the sabbath is made for man, not man for the sabbath.
>They don't know about a single feast day and God's festive days
the purpose of the feasts was fulfilled in the life and ministry of the messiah.

read the hebrew scriptures and understand

>>17804877
>Eh, that's just being pedantic
yes but it lets you sidestep the "who/what is a jew" issue that will inevitably be brought up when you say something like that
base the argument on what "israel" is because its much harder to argue "israel" is some ethnic category when israel absorbed god fearing canaanites during the conquest of canaan (rahab)

>>17804293
>Initially christianity wasn’t a distinct religion but a sect of judaism
That is what the kabbalists and talmudists told you to think, anon.

The talmud wasn't even written in the first century AD. The gnosticism that inspired the talmud hadn't even been invented yet. Those people weren't around.

>>17804351
>they should be forced to remain in exile and forced to live under the laws given to them upon the mountain
The modern people who identify as Jews are not related to the ancient Israelites or to the biblical Jews.

>>17804963
Then where do they come from?

>>17804967
The Talmud was written in Babylon at the end of the 5th century AD. It was inspired by gnostic heresies that were widespread in the middle east at that time, which is why the Talmud had a dualist cosmology and taught reincarnation, and why it explicitly used the name "Metatron" from the gnostic book 3 Enoch.

Modern Judaism is connected to the spread of Talmudic philosophy and ideology. It has absolutely nothing to do with the 1st century Jews except as an imitation by gnostic satan-worshippers.

>>17804281 (OP)
>my made up desert faith is the one true desert faith
following this logic of christianity being the successor to ancient judaism, islam is the successor to christianity. the christians who accepted muhammad as the final prophet following jesus became muslims, and the ones that didn't became heretics. thoughts?

>>17804971
Non sequitur

>>17804971
>following this logic of christianity being the successor to ancient judaism
The Old Testament saints had the same faith, the only difference is they were looking forward to the coming Savior.

>>17804281 (OP)
The concept of the Messiah is not nearly as central in Judaism as it is in Christianity. What is central and has been since ancient times is the Torah.

>>17804975
>The Old Testament saints had the same faith
There's literally no proof of this, I mean you can't even prove they existed let alone that they had a shared faith or theologic ancestry. Many religious scholars believe the Talmud and by extension the Old Testament were just collected from a bunch of local folk myths into a single unified belief system to unite the local tribes under a single God.

>>17804994
>There's literally no proof of this, I mean you can't even prove they existed let alone that they had a shared faith or theologic ancestry.
According to the Bible, there is.
>Many religious scholars believe the Talmud and by extension the Old Testament were just collected from a bunch of local folk myths into a single unified belief system to unite the local tribes under a single God.
Your own personal headcanon or what some atheist on television told you means zero.

The Talmud is a cult writing no different than the Quran or the book of Mormon, etc.

>>17804994
>I mean you can't even prove they existed let alone that they had a shared faith or theologic ancestry
Have you ever heard of the bible?

>>17804421
>>17804438
>i totally did it but like uhhh invisibly and metaphorically
no timmy, you still need to clean your room before you get dessert

>>17805101
There's nothing invisible or metaphorical about the kingdom's growth over the past millennia.

>>17805101
>timmy,
Hello Rapejesh.

>>17805106
>>17805114
thats cool but the kingdom of israel still doesnt exist
theres no messiah
jesus was as much of a messiah as schneerson (not at all)

to be a messiah jesus would have needed to actually defeat the romans, estabilish the kingdom, be annointed as king, and have a son

>>17804987
>The concept of the Messiah is not nearly as central in Judaism as it is in Christianity.
In Genesis 3:15, we see the first mention of the coming Savior.

"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
- (Genesis 3:15)

Below are a few more examples:

"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"
- (Genesis 22:17)

"The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
- (Genesis 49:10)

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
- (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)

"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever."
- (2 Samuel 7:12-13)

"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:"
- (Job 19:25-26)

"Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."
- (Psalm 2:12)

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
- (Isaiah 9:6)

>>17805127
>t.

>>17804963
If they "identify" as jews then they should be force to live in exile under the laws given for jews upon the mountain. The fact that we let them settle anywhere, and don't hold them accountable for their obvious flouting of the laws is doing them a disservice. To help them be good jews, we should exile them and treat them incredibly harshly whenever they do anything that does not strictly conform to their laws.

>>17805127
>jesus would have needed to actually defeat the romans, estabilish the kingdom, be annointed as king
Wow, almost like He did all those things

>>17805149
The Bible says they will suffer in unbearable agony for eternity in the hereafter. Anything we do is like nothing in the light of that hard truth. As for me, I am more concerned about myself and my own walk, and how I can do the Lord's bidding with the time and space I have been given.

The only thing these people need is to have the truth spoken to them and about them, while their inevitable judgement looms closer every moment. As it says in James, "behold, the judge standeth before the door."

And in the Gospel of Luke: "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not."

>>17804971
It is not a successor if it completely disregards the original
Nowhere in the Quran did it ever accused the Bible of being corrupted and even testified that Allah's words are incorruptible
But ever since the 1700's, they accused the Bible of being corrupted because everyone now has access to a copy of the Quran and can now see that it is not a "sequel". It's a fucking FANFIC

>>17804281 (OP)
Jesus is a false messiah that Yhwh literally warn the Jews of. Or did the Christcucks not read the OT?
Bunch of nonsense, regardless of if you're a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim.

>>17805397
The Temple is destroyed
The Time limit was crossed

Stop playing with your salvation

>>17804971
I mean that is more or less what Muslims believe. They think Adam, the Biblical prophets and Jesus were all Muslims, but Christians rejected Islam when they started believing in the Trinity.

>>17804438
I'm the spiritual president of the US, prove me wrong

>>17805385
>Nowhere in the Quran did it ever accused thr Bible of being corrupted
you retarded illiterate nigger, it is said multiple times in the SECOND fucking chapter
not to mention alluded throughout the book
you should read the quran if you're going to argue about it online. it's not even 500 pages. academic translation are readily available in most languages.
just DO NOT read a religious translation

>>17805462
Taqiyya
We are all aware of the Islamic Dilemna that is now making rounds through the entire internet.

Evil always destroy itself and your lies ain't gonna do shit

>>17804607
He is an anal plug.

>>17804471
And they didn't come true.

>>17804969
So modern people who identify as Jews are actually Babylonians?

>>17804281 (OP)
Either way, it's not European so it has no business being in Europe, as foreign as islam

>>17804857
>wrong. christians are the real israelites.
Christ was a decedent of both israel and judah, so christians are both israeli and judaistic in nature.

>>17804421
Sure, good thing there were no wars and unnecessary deaths after the messiah came and fixed everything.

>>17804801
Which is probably why anon is testing to see if you actually have beyond an 8th grade education or if you have a sub18 childish mindset.

>>17804886
No, Judah is a descendant of Israel, so all Judes are Israeli, but Israel had other descendants too, so not all Israelis are Jude.

>>17804971
Jesus is not just a prophet in the framework of Christianity and since Muhammad did not recognize his divinity and there is no evidence he was baptized which is incredibly important in Christian lore, it can't be the case that Islam is a continuation of Christianity.

>>17805071
Sure because your own personal headcannon of what some king's propagandist released so retards like you would be loyal to the king in perpetuity means so much to everyone else.

>>17805075
So are you saying that lizard people have been proven to be real because that is who tricked adam in the bible?

>>17805400
>The Temple is destroyed
And there is no real evidence that the NT was written before it was destroyed.

>>17805474
>Taqiyya
In the tradition of judaism's pilpul and christianity's parable.

>>17804281 (OP)
Most of these memes come across as incoherent at best when your only exposure to Christianity is American evangelicalism and fundamentalism.

>>17805385
You are doing to Islam what Judaism does to Christianity.
You lack self-awareness.

>>17805135
I'm sorry Rajeesh, but I'm not doing the christfull

>>17805151
But he didn't

>>17804333
>Christians fought alongside the Jews
Evidence?

>>17806089
>But he didn't
C o p e

>>17806065
Would it be inconsistent to punish a murderer but not punish someone falsely accused of murder?

>>17806444
Not sure what this has to do with jesus restoring the david's line as kings of israel

>>17806458
He's king of more than Israel.

>>17806470
>He's king of more than Israel.
Jesus was not a descendent of David, so none of this works.

>>17806478
Matthew 1:1-16

>>17806486
Not sure how this helps. Joseph is not the father, silly.

>>17806503
By Israelite law he is

>>17806478
Not even the Pharisees bothered to use that argument because they are all aware that Mary is from David

>>17804281 (OP)
That's much more accurate.

Modern "jews" are Edomites, descendants of Essau, Israel/Jacob's brother, whose descendants are us, the true Chosen Nation.

The reason why they seethe against us and want us dead is because it is prophecised in the Bible, many times, that we will utterly destroy them.

Obadiah 1:18, for example:

>Jacob will be a fire and Joseph a flame; Esau will be stubble, and they will set him on fire and destroy him. There will be no survivors from Esau.” The Lord has spoken.

So it's a prolonged preemptive strike. Immigration is the main tool, because they saw that happened to Egypt, India, and to some extent, Greece - entire civilizations completely submerged, gone forever.

That's what they want for us - to avoid the final judgement.

>>17805798
>headcannon

>>17806503
Jesus is the legal heir of Joseph and inherited the crown of the kingdom through that means.

>>17806518
>Not even the Pharisees bothered to use that argument because they are all aware that Mary is from David
Then why give us a genealogy for Joseph?

>>17806528
>Then why give us a genealogy for Joseph?
See >>17806526

>>17806526
>Jesus is the legal heir of Joseph and inherited the crown of the kingdom through that means.
That doesn’t make Jesus a DESCENDENT of David.

>>17806528
Why would the apostles write about a virgin birth if it was only detrimental to Jesus's messianic case?

>>17806530
>That doesn’t make Jesus a DESCENDENT of David.
Luke gives us the genealogy of Mary. Mary was descended from David through his son Nathan, while Joseph was descended from David's other son, Solomon.

>>17806532
>Luke gives us the genealogy of Mary.
Where? And even if it does, the Messiah was supposed to come from the patriarch line.

>>17806530
By Israelite law, it does.

>>17806531
>>17806541
>the Messiah was supposed to come from the patriarch line.
wrong.
Jews were expecting the messiah to be a virgin based on the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14.
>14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel

Which is also why no one questioned his lineage when he was alive. Elizabeth didn't question the virgin birth either in Luke 1:39-45. She was expecting the messiah to come from a Virgin.
The only explanation must be that the virgin comes from the Davidic line.

>>17806549
>By Israelite law, it does.
I didn’t realize I was talking with an ancient Israelite legal scholar and prophet.

The real answer to all this shit is that the genealogy of Jesus in Luke was put there after Luke was written.

>>17806559
>an ancient Israelite legal scholar and prophet
You have to be a lawyer and a prophet to read the bible?
>The real answer to all this shit is that the genealogy of Jesus in Luke was put there after Luke was written.
Any manuscript evidence of that, or did you just make it up?

>>17806470
>Jesus is the king of the imagination!!!!
Despite being incorregible fantasists, the Jews are still more connected to reality on this than you.
Recurring pattern in Christian notions of many things, for the record. A thing isn't panning out? Oh it actually happened 'in spirit', that beautiful and invisible realm frivolity.

>>17806541
>Where? And even if it does, the Messiah was supposed to come from the patriarch line.
At the end of Luke chapter 3.

They were expecting the Messiah to be born of a virgin based on Isaiah 7:14 as well as Genesis 3:15.

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
- Isaiah 7:14

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
- Isaiah 9:6

>>17806598
>Despite being incorregible fantasists, the Jews are still more connected to reality
Those who falsely claim to be Jews today have no connection to the Biblical Jews.

>>17806598
of frivolity*

And if you want a not universally christian example of this happening: Take the way the JW's talk about their failed end of times predictions.

>>17806598
What do you mean by "spirit"? I am saying it is literally true, Jesus is King of the universe and all men owe to Him obedience (Matthew 28:18-20).

>>17806530
>>17806478
>>17806528
>>17806559
Listen up
Matthew's genelogy is about Jesus' Royal lineage through Joseph

Luke is about Jesus' being a direct descendant of David through Mary
You can see this right here
>Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
>the son of Heli,

Now, who is He'li?
He'li is Mary's dad.
Luke continuously wrote the descendants as "son of" but when it came to Joseph, he broke it, saying "thought of"

>>17806611
The JWs are universally not Christian, you may as well talk about errors in the quran

>>17806611
Jesus Christ walked on this earth, and He is at the right hand of the Father just as it foretold in Psalm 110:1.

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
(1 Timothy 3:16)

>>17806612
>What do you mean by "spirit"?
A plane separated from our own which is independent from the facts of material reality.
The king of the universe who affects nothing, wields no unearthly power. Perfectly beyond the realm of the actual. You owe him allegiance, but you will not be punished for disobedience in this life, it will be ""beyond"". He is the king of the universe in spirit, the God-emperor Norton of San Francisco.
>>17806616
I was just showing you how this works in a way that would not immediately have you reject it to protect your own beliefs. I don't care about your denominational quibbling.

>>17806632
He did walk on the earth, but he was not king on it. Unless you want to render kingship otherwise meaningless.

>>17806615
>>17806530
>>17806478
>>17806528
>>17806559
i just wanted to add:
To further iterate, it is actually within Jewish law that the son-in-law will take over the lineage

This happened multiple times in Chronicles wherein fathers were unable to bear a son but their lineage continued after their sons-in-law took over.

Thus, while Luke says that Joseph is son of Heli, he is really not. He is merely the son-in-law.

This is further emphasized by the fact that Mary is implied to be having a vow of chastity.
Despite being betrothed to Joseph, Mary protested to the angel, saying she had never been with a man. Which implies that she took her vows before being married

And if the husband did not object to her wife's decision, then it is possible to be in a married status while still being a virgin

>>17806663
>but he was not king on it.
According to the Bible He has all authority and power.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
- Matthew 28:18

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
- Colossians 1:12-17

>>17804281 (OP)
Well this is framed in a Christian way, placing Christianity as the logical and natural heir to Judaism, but the facts are true here.

Judaism massively changed after Christ. The destruction of the second temple changed the structure and even the scripture of the Jewish people.
Just as important as the Tanakh (what Christians call the old testament) is the 'Oral Torah,' which is purely a Jewish thing and not found in the Christian Bible.

>>17807570
>The destruction of the second temple changed the structure and even the scripture of the Jewish people.
The people who call themselves Jews today are not the same as the Biblical Jews. They are a separate group.

>Just as important as the Tanakh (what Christians call the old testament) is the 'Oral Torah,' which is purely a Jewish thing and not found in the Christian Bible.
Those who call themselves Jews now have nothing to do with the ancient Jews.

>>17807527
Well according to this very post on 4chan I have a sexual relationship with your mother.

I have not, of course. She is a kind and loyal woman who wouldn't do that. But I can write whatever I want.

>>17804281 (OP)
Christ is King

>>17804281 (OP)
The Talmud is much closer to the old testament than Christianity lmao


This is just Christ cope

>>17804337
>>17804333
You have AGP and Typhon-Set-Yahweh is a false god.

>>17804607
No but the pedo priests still rape her ass. :(

>>17808525
The Talmud was written almost 500 years after the scriptures
How can it possibly be "closer" when it was not even written in Jerusalem

>>17805151
The romansconverting and still rulimg iver judea isn't fullfilling anything; the muslims then conquered that place anyways, jesus failed two times

>>17806514
Still no blood relation

>>17806557
>Jews were expecting the messiah to be a virgin based on the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14.
Isaiah isn't about jesus and there is no indication of a magical pregnancy

>>17808571
Jesus was blatant about how his word shall be heard throughout the world

Christianity becoming the biggest religion is not a coincidence. It is a deliberate prophecy.

>>17808563
>god in the OT
>Jewish supremacist, constantly commands genocide of goyim, legalist

>god in NT
>suddenly a peace love equality hippie, also ignore the sabbath even after I literally killed people over it before

>>17808578
Just ignore that it's divided in miriad of cults that all hate each other

>>17808581
This is not true
The difference between them was OT has a LOT of time skips where Yahweh gave them a massive amount of time to repent but didn't. Thus, they were punished

The genocide of the Amorites was done after over 800 years of patience (they were first mentioned in Genesis, and they were punished only after Deutoronomy)

NT was done in just 3 years.
But if we are to write it the same was as OT, then within the first 800 years, the people who rejected Christ got their asses beaten over and over and over again. And it is going to happen again
For their crimes against the Lord, they are suffering the curse of the 8th decade

>>17808588
We're not. The Orthodox and Catholics have a schism, but we both desire to reunify the Churches. Many attempts were made, and many more shall come until it is done

The protestants are a group of union workers who overstayed their welcome. Everything they were protesting about was already fixed. They just wanted to keep their power and thus, they can only validate their existence by being devoted haters

>>17808598
>The protestants are a group of union workers who overstayed their welcome. Everything they were protesting about was already fixed. They just wanted to keep their power and thus, they can only validate their existence by being devoted haters
You just proved me right

>>17808598

>>17808578
There are like 1.4 billion catholics and 300 millions orthodox and 1.6 billion muslims

>>17808563
Compiled at around the same time the New Testament Cannon was locked into place.
>How can it possibly be "closer" when it was not even written in Jerusalem
Anon...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Talmud

Regardless, the gospels and the Talmud aren't really comparable. The Talmud is a compendium of Oral Torah accounts, Oral law, interpretations of the Tanakh, etc.
It's not the Jew Gospels.

>old covenant Christianity
>pre-incarnate Christ
>holy text of Judaism is the Talmud/Kabbalah

How many layers of cope is this? This is more copey then 'Plato was akshually a pre-Christian Christian'

>>17808727
It's right though

>>17808588
Only protestants hate each other

Catholics, Orthodox, Assyrian, and Ethiopian churches are on good or neutral terms. We all respect the scriptures, tradition, and magisterium. We just have a different interpretation of it

>>17808684
The Bible was compiled as early as Constantine
He had over 600 sheep flayed to provide the parchment for the first official compilation of the Bible, and it still exists today.

Shit must have costed millions

>>17804281 (OP)
more like this

>>17809527
Oh. Though the Talmud also dates to around that time. Though because it was never endorsed by any big powerful states they never got a truly official version. What the fuck was the king of Yemen going to do? Force a synagoge in Crimea to use his version of the book?

As if any of you can confirm anything you’re arguing so strongly about. What a waste of time.

>>17809569
Official just means that the central authority has declared it as something that everyone must abide by

The Dead Sea Scrolls are just papyrus and cheap pigskins

>>17809535
Have fun burning.

>>17809804

>>17809804
That's exactly what I said.

>The Dead Sea Scrolls are just papyrus and cheap pigskins
I was talking about the Talmud here. The dead Sea Scrolls are just some of the oldest completed fragmentary OT texts we have.
>>17809861
Not surprising if you know anything about antique trading.

>>17809887
how did this thread become about antiquing?

>Old Testament jews are a bunch of squabbling desert retards who constantly turn their backs on their violent sperg god, get enslaved repeatedly, get lost in the desert for decades, have absurd rules, and ritualistically mutilate their sons.
I dunno man, they seem like today's jews to me. Why anyone would want to identify with them is baffling.

>>17810288
God already came in the flesh, and he is not violent. He is just

Jew supremacist fairytales

>>17804281 (OP)

Kenneth Copeland is a jew. The richest and most famous American Christian pastor is a jew.

>>17811237
this is recent cope and you know it

>>17811369
If by "recent" you mean it's in the New Testament

>>17804443
Funny thing about oral tradition is that you can't really prove it.

>most historians agree
The same ones that appear on TV nightly news and agree with every other historical claim and doctrine of Talmudism as well? such as taking pro-gay, pro-sodomy, pro-tranny view of history, and so on?

>>17811107
I can't imagine how bad you smell.

>my ridiculous jew stories are the real ridiculous jew stories
It's all so tiresome

>>17804337

>>17812701
>>17812732
Tick tock.

>>17804337
schizo protslop

>>17812808
>prots under the cots
Enjoy Hell.