>>18106410
>these theories do falsify that viewpoint.
And if that methodology isn't just being done for the fun of it, but is actually serious, that means the methodology is being informed by philosophically materialist claims which are strictly naturalist only. By that token, it means that it does require its practitioners to commit to purely materialist naturalism. And that brings us back to the question of where that comes from. And it brings things right back to the deficiencies of that presupposition as earlier elaborated on.
>If you think the Book of Daniel is an inspired religious text,
If the book of Daniel and other scriptures in the Holy Bible are inspired by the Creator, the Lord and God who is asserted in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and 2 Peter 1:20-21, that would mean the books of the Bible are factually true. I'm not sure why anyone would use the term "inspired" in some other way than this. Maybe, if someone was being disingenuous they would say the word "inspired" to appear to some people as if they were saying the above, while really meaning some other definition. The use of the term "religious" in modern parlance often seems to indicate the presence of such an ulterior definition. However, these connotations are notoriously slippery and not always overtly stated.
I feel bad for people who think it's fine to reaffirm their fellow human beings in something they know is false simply by calling it a "religious truth."
>So if that's the case then you're correct that it doesn't assume what you assume,
I said it assumes what I don't assume, not the other way around. The methodology and practice now in popular use assumes certain possibilities are not allowed to be considered, but I allow those possibilities to be considered.
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>>18070291
>How does one receive such guidance?
According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit is given to each believer individually and will guide them into all truth. All they have to do is study the word and pray. The Holy Spirit is the only way for anyone to receive the correct and true meaning of Scripture. Otherwise, they will stumble and fail with private interpretations, as Peter noted, that are not guided by God into the truth. Note the following:
"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"
(Luke 11:9-13)
"Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."
(2 Corinthians 1:21-22)
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
(Ephesians 4:30)
This accords with what Jesus said in John 14:16-17 and beyond.
>even among sola scriptura groups, you see vast disagreements on dogmatic issues.
You don't need to look to other people to find the truth, only study the word and pray. There are others who also do this and arrived at the truth because God is real. This process can only work with the Holy Spirit's intervention.
Those who do not believe that God can work in this way, effectively denying that the Holy Spirit guides individual believers as described in the Bible, then start looking for groups of men to follow after as a kind of substitute for God. This will never work.
>How does one receive such guidance?
According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit is given to each believer individually and will guide them into all truth. All they have to do is study the word and pray. The Holy Spirit is the only way for anyone to receive the correct and true meaning of Scripture. Otherwise, they will stumble and fail with private interpretations, as Peter noted, that are not guided by God into the truth. Note the following:
"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"
(Luke 11:9-13)
"Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."
(2 Corinthians 1:21-22)
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
(Ephesians 4:30)
This accords with what Jesus said in John 14:16-17 and beyond.
>even among sola scriptura groups, you see vast disagreements on dogmatic issues.
You don't need to look to other people to find the truth, only study the word and pray. There are others who also do this and arrived at the truth because God is real. This process can only work with the Holy Spirit's intervention.
Those who do not believe that God can work in this way, effectively denying that the Holy Spirit guides individual believers as described in the Bible, then start looking for groups of men to follow after as a kind of substitute for God. This will never work.
>>17896027
>How could I have known?
As it says in Scripture,
"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."
- Luke 11:9-10
"Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."
- John 18:37
Therefore, whoever actually seeks the truth will find Christ. If someone in 1000 AD in any part of the world died without actually earnestly seeking God, which is proven by the fact that they didn't find Christ, it would be entirely, 100% their fault. See the following:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:18-20
If we assume your hypothetical scenario is true, you left out the important fact that this man never even actually tried to find God and never even began to try to understand the truth. Therefore the man from 1000 AD who is like this will rightfully die in his sins due to him rejecting that opportunity.
>How the fuck does this make sense?
See above.
>Why is no scholarly work even addressing this?
It's been discussed plenty and people have given differing opinions on it. But the above is the Biblical perspective, as explained with supporting verses.
>How could I have known?
As it says in Scripture,
"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."
- Luke 11:9-10
"Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."
- John 18:37
Therefore, whoever actually seeks the truth will find Christ. If someone in 1000 AD in any part of the world died without actually earnestly seeking God, which is proven by the fact that they didn't find Christ, it would be entirely, 100% their fault. See the following:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:18-20
If we assume your hypothetical scenario is true, you left out the important fact that this man never even actually tried to find God and never even began to try to understand the truth. Therefore the man from 1000 AD who is like this will rightfully die in his sins due to him rejecting that opportunity.
>How the fuck does this make sense?
See above.
>Why is no scholarly work even addressing this?
It's been discussed plenty and people have given differing opinions on it. But the above is the Biblical perspective, as explained with supporting verses.
>>17874864
>So it seems to me like there is good reason to suspect that we're missing part of the original story
If so that would mean all of the statements about God's word not being corrupted, and indeed enduring forever, would have to be false. See for example:
Psalm 119:160
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."
Psalm 12:6-7
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."
Isaiah 40:8
"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Isaiah 59:21
"As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever."
Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
Of course, the New Testament says the same thing plenty of times, calling God's word "incorruptible" and saying that it will never pass away. Jesus said that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than for one tittle of the law to fail in Luke 16:17. So you would have to be saying all of that is false in order to suggest that we're missing any part of Scripture.
>So it seems to me like there is good reason to suspect that we're missing part of the original story
If so that would mean all of the statements about God's word not being corrupted, and indeed enduring forever, would have to be false. See for example:
Psalm 119:160
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."
Psalm 12:6-7
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."
Isaiah 40:8
"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Isaiah 59:21
"As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever."
Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
Of course, the New Testament says the same thing plenty of times, calling God's word "incorruptible" and saying that it will never pass away. Jesus said that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than for one tittle of the law to fail in Luke 16:17. So you would have to be saying all of that is false in order to suggest that we're missing any part of Scripture.
>>17806663
>but he was not king on it.
According to the Bible He has all authority and power.
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
- Matthew 28:18
"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
- Colossians 1:12-17
>but he was not king on it.
According to the Bible He has all authority and power.
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
- Matthew 28:18
"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
- Colossians 1:12-17
>>17788855
>Calvin tried to account for the fact that the majority of humanity has no chance of accepting the Gospel message
>>The 80% of the human race that died prior to 33 AD
>The 30%+ of the population that never saw a Bible until 1492 or later
>The remote parts of the world that never saw a Bible until the internet age
>The parts of the world that have no internet even today and have never seen a Bible
>the majority of humanity has no chance of accepting the Gospel message
I don't believe this is true for a second. It says in Romans chapter 1 the following:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:18-20
It says that from the creation of the world, these things are seen. This is to the effect that people who deny or reject it, no matter who or where they are, are completely "without excuse" for doing so. That is, as far as the Bible is concerned. Jesus also said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." (Luke 11:9).
The problem isn't that people in history and today aren't getting chances – it's that they never even bother to seek God. If they did, the Gospel would get to them. If there are millions of people who never see the Gospel, it's because not one of them ever even tried to find out about God or the truth. And that is their condemnation.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
- Psalm 19:1-3
>Calvin tried to account for the fact that the majority of humanity has no chance of accepting the Gospel message
>>The 80% of the human race that died prior to 33 AD
>The 30%+ of the population that never saw a Bible until 1492 or later
>The remote parts of the world that never saw a Bible until the internet age
>The parts of the world that have no internet even today and have never seen a Bible
>the majority of humanity has no chance of accepting the Gospel message
I don't believe this is true for a second. It says in Romans chapter 1 the following:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:18-20
It says that from the creation of the world, these things are seen. This is to the effect that people who deny or reject it, no matter who or where they are, are completely "without excuse" for doing so. That is, as far as the Bible is concerned. Jesus also said, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." (Luke 11:9).
The problem isn't that people in history and today aren't getting chances – it's that they never even bother to seek God. If they did, the Gospel would get to them. If there are millions of people who never see the Gospel, it's because not one of them ever even tried to find out about God or the truth. And that is their condemnation.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
- Psalm 19:1-3