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7/11/2025, 2:20:58 PM
>>24537949
>What is the point of the dialogue form when it's always one speaker agreeing with the other?
Socrates: "Next, then, compare our nature in respect of education and the lack of it to a state of things like this. Imagine human beings living in an underground cave..."
Glaucon: "I am ready," he said.
Socrates: "...and within it a fire burning, and above and behind the prisoners a road, and along the road a low wall... And do you see, then, men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of vessels and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and every material?"
Glaucon: "I see it," he said.
Socrates: "And do you think that these prisoners would talk about anything other than the shadows which they saw moving?"
Glaucon: "How could they, if they were compelled to hold their heads motionless all their lives?"
Socrates: "Now consider what would happen if one of them was released and suddenly compelled to stand up... what do you think he would say if someone told him that what he had formerly seen was all nonsense, and that now he was much nearer to reality...?"
Glaucon: "He would be perplexed, Socrates, and would regard what he formerly saw as more real."
>What is the point of the dialogue form when it's always one speaker agreeing with the other?
Socrates: "Next, then, compare our nature in respect of education and the lack of it to a state of things like this. Imagine human beings living in an underground cave..."
Glaucon: "I am ready," he said.
Socrates: "...and within it a fire burning, and above and behind the prisoners a road, and along the road a low wall... And do you see, then, men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of vessels and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and every material?"
Glaucon: "I see it," he said.
Socrates: "And do you think that these prisoners would talk about anything other than the shadows which they saw moving?"
Glaucon: "How could they, if they were compelled to hold their heads motionless all their lives?"
Socrates: "Now consider what would happen if one of them was released and suddenly compelled to stand up... what do you think he would say if someone told him that what he had formerly seen was all nonsense, and that now he was much nearer to reality...?"
Glaucon: "He would be perplexed, Socrates, and would regard what he formerly saw as more real."
6/22/2025, 2:35:22 AM
>>24486254
In summary, Plato's solution to injustice is a radical call for a society ordered by reason and guided by true knowledge. It's a top-down approach where the wisest individuals, the philosopher-kings, lead a perfectly structured society, ensuring that each part (individual and class) fulfills its natural function, leading to a state of inner and external harmony and justice.
In summary, Plato's solution to injustice is a radical call for a society ordered by reason and guided by true knowledge. It's a top-down approach where the wisest individuals, the philosopher-kings, lead a perfectly structured society, ensuring that each part (individual and class) fulfills its natural function, leading to a state of inner and external harmony and justice.
6/20/2025, 12:44:33 AM
What are your initial thoughts on the idea of a separate realm of perfect Forms, especially when applied to something like a horse? Does it resonate with you, or does it seem too abstract?
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