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6/20/2025, 5:37:32 AM
>>149075841
>But really, Lilith and Ars Goetia are both derived from Jewish stuff.
>Lilith
Sorta but the Lilith in the show has barely anything to do with the Jewish Lilith besides a cliffnotes girlboss version of her backstory. Jew!Lilith is the cause of all infant mortality and also like Shub Niggurath in that she spews forth thousands of demons from her snatch at the bottom of the ocean from multiple abyssal baby daddies that can't enter our world.
>Ars Goetia
(Essay time)
No. The Ars Goetia and the Western Solomonic tradition is a weird amalgam of multiple sources even if pic related makes a good case for the initial seeds being Jewish. And even then there's evidence that the real beginning came from Egyptian astral magic with the 72 decan gods.
The concept of the Ars Goetia came from the Greek probably Christian Testament of Solomon which does feature Solomon binding 72 demons that don't resemble the Ars Goetia at all. Only some of them are fallen angels, some are former humans or nephilim, all of them have Greek names, all of them are tied to astral phenomena and lastly, Solomon just used them for manual labor instead of insight. They also had to be thwarted with specific angels instead of generic exorcism rites.
The Jewish Grimoires we have don't list 72 demons and usually have between 7-9 chiefs subservient to various demon kings. Only the chiefs would be individuals with attributes and he'd just loan you some of his nigh faceless horde of subjects. Something I assume is because demon and fallen angel are too different things in Judaism.
>But really, Lilith and Ars Goetia are both derived from Jewish stuff.
>Lilith
Sorta but the Lilith in the show has barely anything to do with the Jewish Lilith besides a cliffnotes girlboss version of her backstory. Jew!Lilith is the cause of all infant mortality and also like Shub Niggurath in that she spews forth thousands of demons from her snatch at the bottom of the ocean from multiple abyssal baby daddies that can't enter our world.
>Ars Goetia
(Essay time)
No. The Ars Goetia and the Western Solomonic tradition is a weird amalgam of multiple sources even if pic related makes a good case for the initial seeds being Jewish. And even then there's evidence that the real beginning came from Egyptian astral magic with the 72 decan gods.
The concept of the Ars Goetia came from the Greek probably Christian Testament of Solomon which does feature Solomon binding 72 demons that don't resemble the Ars Goetia at all. Only some of them are fallen angels, some are former humans or nephilim, all of them have Greek names, all of them are tied to astral phenomena and lastly, Solomon just used them for manual labor instead of insight. They also had to be thwarted with specific angels instead of generic exorcism rites.
The Jewish Grimoires we have don't list 72 demons and usually have between 7-9 chiefs subservient to various demon kings. Only the chiefs would be individuals with attributes and he'd just loan you some of his nigh faceless horde of subjects. Something I assume is because demon and fallen angel are too different things in Judaism.
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