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7/6/2025, 1:28:38 PM
>>96022930
Green and Trained could potentially mean the same thing. Green is usually untested, but I would take it to mean trained but with 0 experience. Might want a different word for the lowest quality - they have no training and limited equipment
Example of the lowest quality might be Soviet troops that just signed up to fight but no one has yet told them what to do or given them a weapon (yes this is a meme by now, but it's the reality for some Soviet troops in 1941).
Both sides had a mixture:
As for who would be elites in WW2 Europe:
Allies:
1944: Hardened troops that fought in North Africa and Tunisia, and maybe even Italy as well. Airborne might also qualify, but some didn't have that much actual experience. For example I don't think the 101st Airborne actually had much experience before 1944, so would probably rate them "Veteran" or "Trained"
Germans: Various troops from around 1941 onwards who had fought through France and Poland, and especially those who had also seen service on the eastern front and/or North Africa.
Soviets: Limited troops from 1942 onwards would have very good combat experience, even in 1941 they had very good quality Siberian units, and some units with experience in battles like Khalkhin Gol. These excellent quality units would be few and far between until about 1943 or 1944, when the quality of the army as a whole kinda evens out at Veteran.
imo it's all about how much combat experience a specific unit has, and each faction has units available with excellent quality, it would just depend on the period and specific theater. For example, Japanese in Khalkhin Gol certainly aren't going to have any Elite forces, and neither are the Soviets. Germans in Barbarossa would have a good number of Veterans, and some Elite as well.
Germans in North Africa by about 1942 could be considered mostly Veteran or Elite, as they didn't really rotate home or to other theaters (from my memory) and just racked up the experience.
Green and Trained could potentially mean the same thing. Green is usually untested, but I would take it to mean trained but with 0 experience. Might want a different word for the lowest quality - they have no training and limited equipment
Example of the lowest quality might be Soviet troops that just signed up to fight but no one has yet told them what to do or given them a weapon (yes this is a meme by now, but it's the reality for some Soviet troops in 1941).
Both sides had a mixture:
As for who would be elites in WW2 Europe:
Allies:
1944: Hardened troops that fought in North Africa and Tunisia, and maybe even Italy as well. Airborne might also qualify, but some didn't have that much actual experience. For example I don't think the 101st Airborne actually had much experience before 1944, so would probably rate them "Veteran" or "Trained"
Germans: Various troops from around 1941 onwards who had fought through France and Poland, and especially those who had also seen service on the eastern front and/or North Africa.
Soviets: Limited troops from 1942 onwards would have very good combat experience, even in 1941 they had very good quality Siberian units, and some units with experience in battles like Khalkhin Gol. These excellent quality units would be few and far between until about 1943 or 1944, when the quality of the army as a whole kinda evens out at Veteran.
imo it's all about how much combat experience a specific unit has, and each faction has units available with excellent quality, it would just depend on the period and specific theater. For example, Japanese in Khalkhin Gol certainly aren't going to have any Elite forces, and neither are the Soviets. Germans in Barbarossa would have a good number of Veterans, and some Elite as well.
Germans in North Africa by about 1942 could be considered mostly Veteran or Elite, as they didn't really rotate home or to other theaters (from my memory) and just racked up the experience.
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