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7/17/2025, 5:53:09 AM
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I think it is the difference between subconscious and deliberate allegory and influence. CS Lewis made a deliberate, concerted effort to have Aslan be a Christ/God allegory. There is no doubt that Tolkien literally can NOT remove 100% of all influence WWI had on him because that is not something separate from his own life experiences. You can't just excise 4 years of your life and carry on as if it had no impact. It is like taking steps out of a staircase. Yeah there's a gap where the ones you dont want are missing, but the stairs above that are stil fundamentally built off of them. But I think internet retards/"""fandom""" people who have to reduce it all to base influences like WWI or everyone being totes gay for each other actually do a disservice to Tolkien by robbing him of his own creativity and imagination. How dare he take old Norse, English, Finnish, and Germanic myth and anthropology and use it to help create his own world? No, everything CLEARLY has to have a 1:1 to the real world.
That being said, read the earlier drafts of Gondolin which was one of the first things he worked on. Much more inspired by the industrialized evil of WWI. Ironically, his last, unfinished draft of Gondolin that ends with Tuor finally reaching the hidden city was the first post-LOTR thing I read in 5th grade after finishing the books right before ROTK came out and how beautifully rich and majestic it was before abruptly stopping, the only one of his tales to never have that final version, has long haunted me.
I think it is the difference between subconscious and deliberate allegory and influence. CS Lewis made a deliberate, concerted effort to have Aslan be a Christ/God allegory. There is no doubt that Tolkien literally can NOT remove 100% of all influence WWI had on him because that is not something separate from his own life experiences. You can't just excise 4 years of your life and carry on as if it had no impact. It is like taking steps out of a staircase. Yeah there's a gap where the ones you dont want are missing, but the stairs above that are stil fundamentally built off of them. But I think internet retards/"""fandom""" people who have to reduce it all to base influences like WWI or everyone being totes gay for each other actually do a disservice to Tolkien by robbing him of his own creativity and imagination. How dare he take old Norse, English, Finnish, and Germanic myth and anthropology and use it to help create his own world? No, everything CLEARLY has to have a 1:1 to the real world.
That being said, read the earlier drafts of Gondolin which was one of the first things he worked on. Much more inspired by the industrialized evil of WWI. Ironically, his last, unfinished draft of Gondolin that ends with Tuor finally reaching the hidden city was the first post-LOTR thing I read in 5th grade after finishing the books right before ROTK came out and how beautifully rich and majestic it was before abruptly stopping, the only one of his tales to never have that final version, has long haunted me.
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