>>40657853
Do you guys know any Christian occultists of any actual power?

I've delved deep enough into the mysteries myself at this point to tell most schools have decayed badly enough such someone merely "influential" is likely to have just been politically usefully or more mindlessly saccharin than their predecessors than to have actually understood let alone improve any of their schools teachings.

But there is another thing I want to ask how are you so certain your god is correct?
From the outside looking in the very idea seems so ludicrous the helplessness of the Christian so obvious even taking the texts serious you mostly just seem to be trying to rationalize living in the sinners lot of all the atrocities your texts warned you about. Rather than some heartwarming bullshit about faith I am clueless how you seem to be so fixated on an answer that seems such a fucking joke I am trying to be polite as I am seriously asking rather than whatever deflection your thinking of but the very idea. I am completely incapable of imagining myself putting anywhere near the effort into this faith any of you have and getting any of the answers you have out of it.
Even the few dips into the shallows of the texts I've taken it's only a question of when the harlot mounted your churches rather than the faintest of Bulwark's to actually defend such positions existing. How do you defend a world so obviously gone wrong

>>40596827
This will probably fly over the heads of most people here but trips are what happens when the body gets more qi than it can handle. Breath of fire and other breathing techniques can produce trip states just using them heavily. In fact the original drunken fist was a trade off booster move like the kaio-ken that was used to develop the modern style by mimicking its kriya movements rather than a fake out based style users played dumb to get time for the transformation

Likewise cultivation itself is a real thing that increases your ability to withstand those energies Buddhist monks tested with drugs showed an astounding ability to maintain consciousness and were already well used to producing superior states through their own arts.

The realization this stuff leads too is trips vary so much in effect qi has to come in different "colors" more or less and yeah weed very much does seem to be a nasty one from personal experience. The eastern schools neglected this knowledge until their remaining techniques started getting dangerous to use and Christianity threw away its deeper occult knowledge until it was a hollow cargo cult of a faith and started getting mocked by genuine seekers once the tall walls and glorified butchers fell away

Spiritually the shamanic drug visions and orthodox spiritual curriculum routes big divide break down to too borrow the words of a culture with actual religious debate (wuxia) demonic and orthodox techniques the demonic can force growth fast but flaws in techniques hit fast too while the Orthodox having to make do with how energetically fucked and spiritually numb normies are has a long perilous start phase where students are at great risk of failing to understand their techniques and ending up wasting even decades of time on failures to understand

And that's all before the mess made of 'cleansing channels" misinterpretation