Against Heresy edition!

Christian Esotericism is the inner and/or mystical aspect of the Christian Religion, it includes:
>Christian Gnosis (Clement of Alexandria)
>Desert Fathers Spirituality (Evagrius Ponticus)
>Catholic Contemplative Tradition (Bonaventure)
>Hesychasm (Gregory Palamas)
>Chivalry (Wolfram von Eschenbach)
>Christian Alchemy (George Ripley)
>Rhineland Mysticism (Meister Eckhart)
>Christian Cabala (Johannes Reuchlin)
>Paracelsianism (Paracelsus)
>Rosicrucianism (Robert Fludd)
>Christian theosophy (Jakob Böhme)
>Martinism (Louise Claude de Saint-Martin)
>Swedenborgianism (Swedenborg)
>Magical Idealism (Novalis)
>Romanticism (Baader)
>Anthroposophy (Rudolf Steiner)
>Sophiology (Sergei Bulgakov)
>Christian Hermeticism (Valentin Tomberg)
>Fourth Way (Boris Mouravieff)
>Christian Traditionalism (Jean Borella)
>Divine Love (James Padgett)
And much more, so let's continue to talk about it!

>Resources (WIP)
https://www.john-uebersax.com/plato/cp.htm
https://jacobboehmeonline.com/
https://archive.org/details/awakening-to-divine-wisdom-christian-initiation-into-three-worl-nodrm_202202/mode/1up
https://janelead.org/resources.html
https://archive.org/details/bookofcontemplat00unde/
https://archive.org/details/rudolf-steiner-book-collection/
https://swedenborg.com/bookstore/free-ebooks-downloads/
https://www.gornahoor.net/?page_id=47
https://archive.org/details/meditations-on-the-tarot/
https://files.catbox.moe/8n4061.djvu (Meditations on the Tarot)
https://eliasartista.substack.com/
https://passtheword.org
https://catenabible.com/mt/1

>>40657853 (OP)
Previous thread https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40506587/#40577234

>>40657853 (OP)
Are you sure jesus should be thought off as having a relationship to a cross? Maybe a cross is actually a satanic symbol as it is a tool of torture

Maybe they signed with a kikel as a psyop cause they like you to love the cross which is a tool of torture

And why did egypt have both the kikel and the cross in 1 symbol

Def a kikel is some sort of round symbol related to zero or O

>>40657919
>Are you sure jesus should be thought off as having a relationship to a cross?
Yes
>Maybe a cross is actually a satanic symbol as it is a tool of torture
Maybe the cross symbolizes Christ's victory over death

>>40658520
>yes
No

>le tool of torture and death symbolizes victory over death
Nope it dont its just an abomination

>>40658677
>No
Yes.
>Nope it dont its just an abomination
Oh sorry then, the early church should've asked you before placing importance on the crucifixion
What would you prefer as a symbol? A teddy bear or perhaps a sun with sunglasses?

>>40657853 (OP)
Do you guys know any Christian occultists of any actual power?

I've delved deep enough into the mysteries myself at this point to tell most schools have decayed badly enough such someone merely "influential" is likely to have just been politically usefully or more mindlessly saccharin than their predecessors than to have actually understood let alone improve any of their schools teachings.

But there is another thing I want to ask how are you so certain your god is correct?
From the outside looking in the very idea seems so ludicrous the helplessness of the Christian so obvious even taking the texts serious you mostly just seem to be trying to rationalize living in the sinners lot of all the atrocities your texts warned you about. Rather than some heartwarming bullshit about faith I am clueless how you seem to be so fixated on an answer that seems such a fucking joke I am trying to be polite as I am seriously asking rather than whatever deflection your thinking of but the very idea. I am completely incapable of imagining myself putting anywhere near the effort into this faith any of you have and getting any of the answers you have out of it.
Even the few dips into the shallows of the texts I've taken it's only a question of when the harlot mounted your churches rather than the faintest of Bulwark's to actually defend such positions existing. How do you defend a world so obviously gone wrong

>>40660158
>Do you guys know any Christian occultists of any actual power?
Define power
>But there is another thing I want to ask how are you so certain your god is correct?
I think if one studies the historical Jesus and the historical documents pertaining to him, it seems scarily plausible that he really rose from the dead. His historical presence and footprint from his time to now is mind-blowing and too many puzzle pieces fell into place just right.
Just compare it to any other religious documents, which btw I wouldn't reject wholesale as "demonic" or whatever, but I think ultimately all spirituality has to kowtow to Jesus and Christian truth, because Jesus is THE point in history where objective reason and subjective spirituality intersect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bb7aQZNM-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qucyj1ejUck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UY1e_dhB7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj1tGLGpyME

>>40660876
what book?

>>40661115

>>40661115
https://www.midwaybook.com/pages/books/45775/mouni-sadhu/theurgy-the-art-of-effective-worship

>>40660905
if you have to ask what spiritual power is you are ignorant of it which for a religion is a horrible state.

Alright you have answered honestly so I am going to put down an effort post on why I consider your church so misguided

A part of religious history many fail to get is that the school of thought Christianity descends from had other kids who are all talking about the same secrets start to understand them and you can pick them out between widely separated schools now being explicit about those secrets themselves would get me killed but I will talk a bit about that lineage.

First off in the general age of the old testament Europe was still under a fucking glacier that had remnants of an older civilization under it until the church happened Europe was being newly settled by people from from the only adjoining populations middle easterners and Inuits come down from the arctic and it took getting to the middle ages for them to meet in fucking Finland and big reason the bible and Hinduism both highlight dairy so much is the ancient Europeans Israelites and brahmin all descended from the same middle east population of lactose tolerant people who absofuckinglutely despised living near semites now Abrahams whole deal was cutting off his branch from a rotten tree of semites and kin who tolerated them so whether you subscribe to the Scythians became Saxons theory or not whites are the closest racial group to what the Israelites were as the tribe that group came from however all three pulled from the same occult techniques and religious practices the berserker cults that were born of the European branch of this knowledge were all wiped out by Christians but that group extended eastward over the mountains to influence taoist thought as Hinduism and Buddhism spread the same down through India now these journeys did have loses but compared to the slaughter in the west they survived as the purest example of what the Israelites preached in wuxia tropes

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>>40661214
thanks :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WUDzaR5waw

What is Jacob doing in Genesis 30:37-42?

>>40661215
Should have just put a continued

But to clarify my point wuxia is an entire genre based on hearsay about what that proto European groups spiritual techniques were actually capable of as just scattered remnants that had to get as far from negroid and Semitic influence as possible to survive by at all the legacy christ claimed to inherit to fulfill had to flee every trace of his influence to survive and the communist monsters that influence installed once it breached those walls has waged the most blatant war it could on this understanding of the soul.

Christianity has so completely lost any spiritual teachings of worth its flock is ignorant of even the very basics of divinity little wonder the new age crowd mashing together every low hanging fruit of spirituality has barely remembered them enough to add angels as a class of spirits.

The resurrection is dubious for one the parable of the worthless Shepard is the prophecy of how that's supposed to go and its one of the messianic prophecies least matched by jesus he would have had to kill three lords of the romans, get lynched by Israelites, renounce the Israelites, get claimed among the romans and slaughter a fuckload of people after revival to match that prophecy and he conflicts with the old testament in numerous other ways for one he completely ignored the Israelites attempted integration of their racial enemy's that ended in them getting genocided by them until the romans showed up considering most of the old testament is dedicated to trying to hammer in kill these animals to the last mewling babe is stomped into mud this is a huge oversight.

Frankly jesus fits to a T the Antichrist role of destroying the teachings so perfectly I have no idea how I have to be the one to say it his legacy is the largest fortress of evil even the jews have to be let In through the backdoor to do their part

>>40661654
>>40661215
Verbal diarrhea
How can Jesus be the antichrist if his followers coined the term

>>40661573

>>40661698
Can you explain this to me in simple language please

>>40661670
>Verbal diarrhea
Yes.

>>40658789
check'd
Adam is still dreaming
XY chromosomes were split to complete the satanic cannibal race system
if the Y is the Holy Spirit
where is the Y in XX?
check mate
>proven before time
>next

Who's the man in white robes.

>>40662225
4chan fears linking to 8kun's /ceg/ thread.

>>40660939
>>40661063
Not too long ago, I watched a conversation on Youtube where they're talking about Soloviev's A Story of Anti-Christ.
In that story, the Catholic leader is Pope Peter II. The leader of the Orthodox is Elder John. And the leader of the Protestants Professor Ernst Pauli.
This was apparently deliberate and was connected to the idea that the Three Churches embodied the essences of three apostles.
The Protestants were the Church of Paul. The Orthodox were the mystical Church of John. And the Catholics were the structured, hierarchical Church of Peter.
Soloviev wrote a book called Russia and the Universal Church, in which he advocates for the reunification of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. And I guess he thought that the Protestants would follow.

"The three thinkers Putin suggested his governors get to know were Vladimir Solovyov, a friend of the novelist Fyodor Dostoyevsky and, according to the late American Russian scholar James Scanlan, 'the greatest and most influential of Russia’s philosophical thinkers'; Nikolai Berdyaev, the aristocratic Christian existential 'philosopher of freedom'; and Ivan Ilyin, a more political thinker than either Berdyaev or Solovyov, and whose ideas for some form a kind of 'Russian fascism.'

"All three were major figures of the Silver Age, and until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, their work was for the most part unavailable in their homeland. Since then, they and their contemporaries have enjoyed a tremendous revival, along with other literature of a mystical, occult, and spiritual bent that for decades was banned within the Soviet bloc."

- Gary Lachman

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"As the follower and friend of the philosopher Vladimir Solovyof, Prince Eugene Trubetskoy, wrote, the work of spiritual art is 'the transformation of the entire universe into a temple of God.' "

- Gary Lachman

"We can also see Sophia as occupying the same place in Solovyov’s Christian ontology as the Anima Mundi or 'soul of the world' does in Neoplatonism: as 'the sympathy of all things,' the presence running through all of creation linking each part to all the others. Unity was very important to Solovyov, as it was to Alexander III and Pobedonostsev. But the unity he imagined was not limited to one nation and it would not be achieved through chauvinistic proclamations and draconian policies. It encompassed all of creation and would be brought about through the medium of Sophia working through all humanity on Earth.

"Solovyov had got to London and the British Museum on the strength of his master’s thesis, which was published in 1874 as The Crisis of Western Philosophy. This work earned him a position at the University of Moscow and in a very real sense established a peculiarly Russian kind of philosophy. Solovyov argued that what had precipitated Western philosophy’s 'crisis' was that it had lost touch with the object of its investigations, namely, reality itself. Empirical thinking, of the kind that the New Men relied on, is in the end limited to the sense data from which it makes its judgments. What it knows is not reality itself, but the impression it makes on our senses. Likewise, abstract thought of the idealist type—as in Kant— presents us with the 'forms of knowledge,' the mental structures in which any knowledge must come to us, but it does not give us that knowledge itself. In the first we are bound by the senses, in the other by the mind. But true philosophy, true 'love of wisdom,' cannot be satisfied with these and demands something more. What was that something more? It was an intuitive grasp of reality—which for Solovyov meant God—bringing together reason, the senses, and a mystical vision of unity in an immediate, direct knowing, something familiar to us through our look at Schelling."

- Gary Lachman

"Among those leaving the new Soviet Union was the religious thinker and economist Sergei Bulgakov (1871–1944), whose vision of a 'Sophic economy,' blending Solovyov’s Sophiology with practical economics, presages in many ways our twenty-first century concern with 'sustainability' and being 'stewards' of the planet. As George M. Young writes, for Bulgakov, 'we are the owners and managers of the cosmos, responsible under divine guidance for its survival and growth.'

"Bulgakov came from a family of priests reaching back to the sixteenth century. His first studies were at a seminary, but he lost his faith, and at Moscow University he took up law. Like many students at the time he came under the influence of Marx, but he soon rejected his ideas. Discussions with Tolstoy and a reading of Kant led him back to the church, and Bulgakov would recount his journey from Marxism to a religious philosophy in his early work From Marxism to Idealism (1904).

"This tension between the worldly and the spiritual would inform his belief that man, especially Russian man, was the battleground between two 'kingdoms,' that of heaven and that of Earth. His 'Sophic economy' can be seen as an attempt to harmonize the two, so that the truth of heaven can inform the necessities of Earth. Bulgakov himself can be seen as a living example of this union. In 1907, as one of the 'Legal Marxists'—politicians with a particular interpretation of Marxist theory—he was a member of the Second Duma, which was brought to a quick end by Nicholas II. In 1918 he was ordained as a priest. It was not the most propitious time to take the cloth, but by then Bulgakov had had a mystical experience that convinced him of the reality of the Divine, in much the same way as Solovyov’s visitations by Sophia brought him to the same realization."

- Gary Lachman

"A fusion between the emerging Russian national soul and Orthodox Christianity took place then, and has remained in place ever since. And as Orthodox Christianity has a more mystical character than either Western Catholicism or Protestantism, it allowed an easier absorption of Steiner’s Christianized occult science.

"Steiner had a remarkable audience for his lectures. Among those seated were some of the cream of the Russian literary and spiritual avant-garde. These included the novelist, historian, and mystical philosopher Dmitri Merezhkovsky, who wrote about Atlantis and the Apocalypse; his wife, the poet Zinaida Gippius, a well-known habitué of St. Petersburg’s notorious Stray Dog Café, home to many mystics and artists; and the poets Konstantin Balmont and N. M. Minski, important figures in the Symbolist movement. They and other poets, novelists, philosophers, artists, and musicians were part of a powerful spiritual and cultural renaissance in Russia at that time, a period known as the Silver Age. It was a time of magic and mysticism, which saw a vital resurgence of interest in the occult, and a profound return to spiritual and religious values, along with a creative intensity unlike anything the West had seen since the Renaissance. This was the time of the God-seekers, pilgrims of the soul and explorers of the spirit who sought through art and ideas the salvation of the world."

- Gary Lachman

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"The Old Believers fled the cities and Nikon’s pogroms, heading to the far north. Eventually they themselves split into two groups: those, like the Protestants in Europe, who wanted to establish their own church, and those who preferred a less hierarchical, more independent style of worship. Nil Sorsky’s way of worship had to do, these radical Old Believers went underground—as the city of Kitezh did at the approach of the Tartars—and fragmented into different sects, who were hunted and persecuted."

- Gary Lachman

"Throughout the 1880s Solovyov worked hard to bring about reconciliation between the Western and Eastern Churches, something not attempted since the fifteenth century. Their reunion would be the first step in establishing the Universal Christianity in which he hoped to include Protestants and Jews and eventually all mankind."

- Gary Lachman

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"But the most powerful part of the book is 'The Story of the Antichrist,' tacked on at the
end.

"In it Solovyov envisions the rise to world power of a superman, a kind of miracle worker, whose feats and achievements dazzle mankind and whose reign brings global peace and enormous material benefits. When humanity’s corporeal needs are met the world emperor engages a magician to entertain the masses with his wizardry, predicting, it seems, our own age of nonstop entertainment. Finally, he achieves the kind of unity among the Christian churches—Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox—that Solovyov had pursued, but at the price of recognizing him, not Christ, as its heart. The majority of believers are happy to agree—has he not done wonders for mankind? But the leaders of the traditional faiths, their congregations shrunken, demur, recognizing the superman for who he is. They await the true Second Coming that will end the reign of this false god. Solovyov believed they would not have to wait long."

- Gary Lachman

"Papus’s Martinist Order had political ambitions. One was to free Poland from tsarist rule, an idea one suspects Papus did not discuss with the tsar. Another was to dismantle the Austro-Hungarian Empire and bring about a United States of Europe. World War I liberated Poland—until the Soviets took over—and took care of Franz Joseph’s empire. A United States of Europe—Winston Churchill’s dream—found some reality in the European Union, which, with Brexit (the United Kingdom’s exit from the EU) now seems to be disintegrating, with efforts by Steve Bannon and others helping to take it apart."

- Gary Lachman

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"Martinism gets its name from the French savant Louis Claude de SaintMartin (1743–1803), who was known during his life as the 'Unknown Philosopher.' Saint-Martin was born in Amboise, France, but he got his mystical start when he met Don Martines de Pasqually de la Tour—otherwise known as Martinez Pasquales—in Bordeaux in 1767. Martinez was a follower of Swedenborg and a student of the Rosicrucian tradition, as were Nikolay Novikov and his colleagues. He was also the leader of a mystical order known as the Elect Cohens, cohen being the Hebrew word for priest. It is unclear if Pasquales was Spanish or Portuguese, or if he was a Jew or Catholic, but he was a serious student of esoteric knowledge, and his earnestness impressed Saint-Martin, who had until then not found a purpose in life. Now Pasquales had given him one. Saint-Martin devoted himself completely to the ritual and ceremonial magic that Martinez practiced, which involved, among other techniques, forms of theurgy, a kind of magic aimed at invoking divine powers."

- Gary Lachman

"Yet the Muscovy of this time was rampant with alchemical, astrological, divinatory, and other occult preoccupations, and translations of magical and Hermetic texts from the West proved a lucrative business. Later, Russians sent to England to study sought out the knowledge of Dr. John Dee, Queen Elizabeth’s astrologer. What Russia had inherited from the Renaissance was not the sober humanism we associate with it, but the Hermetic influence that informed savants like Giordano Bruno. It was this taste for the 'inner secrets of the universe' that later made Russia open to the influence of alchemical philosophers such as Jacob Boehme and the Romantic metaphysics of Schelling."

- Gary Lachman

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"Unlike the philosophes, Novikov had no argument against religion; the Metropolitan Platon told Catherine that he prayed that 'all over the world there may be Christians of the same sort as Novikov.' Novikov took pains to ensure that his Masonic beliefs in no way contradicted his Christian ones. It was through reading the 'signatures' and 'correspondences' between the natural and spiritual worlds, as Jacob Boehme and Emanuel Swedenborg, whose ideas informed Russian Freemasonry, had taught, that we can see the inner light that Nil Sorsky and the Hesychasts had earlier seen. In a sense, for Novikov, Freemasonry replaced Christianity as the focus of the Russian 'quest for the divine truth' that Berdyaev saw as part of the Russian soul."

- Gary Lachman

"Saint-Martin was a reader of Jacob Boehme, the sixteenth-century Bohemian cobbler whose vision of 'the signature of things,' triggered by sunlight on a pewter dish, led to a series of remarkable if obscure books about the true nature of reality, couched in a difficult alchemical language, heavily influenced by Paracelsus. One theme that runs through Boehme’s difficult writings is that of the struggle between opposites, the creative tension maintained between two poles of existence: one of divine light and love, the other of darkness and wrath, with human life caught precariously in the middle.19 This theme of polarity and the potential of warring opposites to combine to produce something beyond either one, will prepare the Russian mind for the ideas that would soon come to obsess it."

- Gary Lachman

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"Although painfully aware of the appalling social conditions of his time—he shared with earlier aristocratic rebels a sense of responsibility to rectify them—he rejected Marx’s materialism and negation of the individual in favor of the collective. Berdyaev shared the Christian and Kantian belief in the absolute value of the individual person. This, however, did not make him an 'individualist,' as true 'personalism' can only arise in the context of others, hence Berdyaev’s insistence on sobernost as the basis of society. This 'personalism' would be the cornerstone of his later philosophy of freedom, which would eventually reach into the mystical depths of Jacob Boehme’s Ungrund..."

- Gary Lachman

"With the poet and painter William Blake, his younger contemporary, Saint-Martin saw that Voltaire’s atheism and rationalism, which had so infected Catherine’s court, were a product of what Blake called 'single vision and Newton’s sleep,' a narrowing of consciousness that left it aware of nothing but the material world, what Blake called 'the land of Ulro.' Saint-Martin believed that we have arrived at this condition because of some great primal cosmic catastrophe, when we fell from our original, integral state, at one with the divine, into the world of space and time. Our task, Saint-Martin believed, was to 'repair' the world, to 'regenerate' our fallen selves and through this regenerate the fallen universe as well—a theme that hearkens back to ideas about the role of beauty in the redemption of the world."

- Gary Lachman

>>40661214

Just ordered this. Any thoughts?

>>40665337
o kurwa

Pray for Camp Mystic.

I am back. My keyboard busted so i had to get a new one but i messed this one as well so ow a few keys don't work meaning i have to do a lot of copy ad pasting. There is so much i want to talk about but i can't like this so i guess God is mad at me for going back online too early. I will try my est to answer questions but it's going to have to e short answers for now. Please help, i need guidance.

>>40670117
>>40670121
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>>40670139
Chatgehpeteh!
https://youtube.com/shorts/YcEqpSFYk00?si=KsjxZwFl_FMoByAM

>>40667445
Use your phone?

>>40671605
One of the greats.

>>40671385
I don't own a phone, sorry.

>>40670254
There is the Whole Spirit (God, the Monad) and there is the Unique Spirit (Christ, the Logos, the essence of the Good) from which all other 'spirits' emanate. The purpose of mortal life is to sublimate into your own perfected uniqueness as a holy branch of Christ, the very tree of life. Unsaved souls are decomposed, recycled or destroyed, the spirit within returning back to the Whole.

>>40657853 (OP)
If you look into the Qumran texts they nearly match up 1:1 with what happened in the New Testament
They believed that there would be two Messiahs, one of David, the other of Levi, and that the Messiah would come and break bread with his followers
Jesus and John the Baptist are respectively the Davidic and Levite Messiah, John Baptized Jesus and the Essenes and their subsets like Masbotheans, Theraputae and Hermerobaptists were all baptizing groups, and of course Jesus had his last supper with the Apostles
Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man, and in the Book of Enoch which was read by the Qumran Essenes the Son of Man is a Pre-existing divine entity

>>40672296
The Son of Man is the microcosm of its creator, the macrocosmic Mind.

Jesus is the incarnation of the Son of Man that is sublimated by the Logos of the Holy One.

>>40672237
Thank you for this thoughtful post. God bless.

Can someone please point in the direction of any material/authors that mixes Christanity with law of attraction?

Neville and Joseph Murphy reference the bible in their work but they use it more a means to convince normies their point of view.

>>40673572
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith

What is your guys explanation for why there are 2 genealogies for Jesus? Most of the explanations I see online seem kind of mental gymnastic-y

I've been interested in apologetics for a while now and I never thought most Catholics would think they actually worship the same God muslims do. Why does it seem like almost every religion has some sort of strain of perennialism in it, wouldn't it just be a self defeating position as you would basically say God deliberately confused people rather than revealed the same truth to everyone?

>>40675360
one is legal and other is biological

>>40675442
most nominal Catholics today are barely (o)rthodox and were taught modernist ideas that would have provoked a public whipping 500 years ago

>>40675511
The worst part is that most of these online catholics aren't just nominal and in fact are being consistent with Vatican II. Only the SSPX and sedevecantists despise the liberalism in Vatican II but then they basically say what everyone else has been saying about the papacy the whole time.
If these popes that launched crusades saw Catholicism today, they would be a 5th crusade against the Vatican city.

>>40675668
there would be*
Even though I don't think Catholicism is true, I atleast think there are many people in it that are genuinely good hearted people or try to be, but I can't respect modern catholicism for the same reason as protestantism, they both produce so many atheism with their liberal nonsense.

a perennialist view on islam from christianity doesn't work anyways.
It is an explicit revealed religion, by the "angel Gabriel", centuries after Christ. It's not an organic development of pre-christian arabic theology

>>40675442
It has brought great shame to my soul to hear other Catholics claim that Allah is the same as the one true God Jesus Christ
Islam is a false religion spread by a 7th Century caravan robber through warfare and lies related to gaining sexual pleasure (4 wives, sex slaves, temporary mutah marriage used for prostitution, 72 virgins in heaven)
But, in a way, a form of perrenialism is true, as the Christian God is the true God, and the others are all false gods, but they're all dependant on the true God in one way or another, so while Islam is not true, it's a lie, as all lies, it's dependant on the truth and might even contain some of it in itself

The jews worship a different God than Christians worship.

>>40677369
Yes, and when someone says "No we both worship Yahweh/HaShem!" Ask them if Jews believe that Yahweh/HaShem came down to earth as a man and died for their sins, you can guess their answer

>>40667445
>>40671385
>>40671937
I just got a virtual keyboard app for my computer.

>>40677900
My keyboard is broken too so I used on screen keyboard

>>40677936
Honestly surprised more people don't use this.

>>40677900
Jesus spoke of this. He said this day would come. You are the keyboard warrior of the new covenant.

>>40657853 (OP)
Videos on Gnosis, its various types (SPG, UPG & VPG) and Gnosticism:

https://youtu.be/0F7knBtLsNs
https://youtu.be/260L-DEZVQ0
https://youtu.be/diHf_Tup6tE

One of the better generals on this board. Really miss when its not being posted.

>>40660158
I am a lifelong Catholic. All of this new age stuff, “energy”, eastern practices like deep meditation, has turned my faith from a belief into a _knowing_.

>>40678401
This serious or a joke? Anyway there's a lot on my mind and i am feeling off, i need people to talk to, people who can be good friends and allies.

>>40660158
>Do you guys know any Christian occultists of any actual power?
No, most of them are timewasters who cribbed from their cultural-philosophical milieu and had the gall to call it an authentic philosophy.
>I've delved deep enough into the mysteries myself at this point to tell most schools have decayed badly enough
This presupposes that there ever was a school of authentic wisdom - it's esotericist garbage and founding myths of a lot of these groups (e.g. Rosicrucians). Very few are historically viable.
>I want to ask how are you so certain your god is correct?
Historical implausibility at other scenarios being the case with the New Testament and Book of Mormon witnesses (I am not a Mormon - but I have investigated the case enough to consider it genuine).
>I am trying to be polite as I am seriously asking rather than whatever deflection your thinking of but the very idea
You are retarded and should be ashamed of yourself for posting a wall of contradictory nonsense. Your point is unclear and you make sweeping generalizations that necessitate a greater back and forth to understand.
>How do you defend a world so obviously gone wrong
How do you defend [obviously retarded projection] hmm?????
You seriously believe these esoteric larpfests are real, whilst seeming to miss the entire point of Christianity and what it teaches, then post here asking for guidance - are you mentally ill

>>40679409
Why be so hostile? The guy wants to know more.

Update on the Non Denominational Body and Blood of Christ Ritual. After blessing the bread and wine before eating and drinking, I feel blessed myself. I don’t require a Church to receive Communion or the Blood of Christ.
A Satanist will probably take
John 6:51-58 literal and would want to eat Jesus’ meaty muscle tissue and drink his physical blood. The Flesh is the Bread and the Blood is the Wine.

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>>40679460
It is good to have a candle Lit and a Crucifix Present during the Ritual of Receiving the Blood of the Lamb and the Body of Christ. Any candle works, but unscented or beeswax candles are preferred.

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>>40679520
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>>40679564
It is good to receive the Eucharist in any form or manner. Follow in the Footsteps of the Apostolic Churches. Eat the Prosphora
https://shop.catholicsupply.com/store/p/162-1-1/2-Special-Whole-Wheat-
Host.aspx

https://www.stdemetriosmi.org/parish-resources/prosphora-baking

https://www.parthenonfoods.com/products/prosforo-bread-2lb-10-inch

Anyone else feel off, yet also feeling like the Holy Spirit is in them right now?

>>40670254

I wasn't aware nondualism was popular among "Christians". All I read and was taught was that creation is fundamentally dependant on God, yet God is not dependent on creation, and that creation is NOT God. God is completely apart and unknowable. There is no room for any of the eastern gibberish of "oh God is in everything, therefore YOU are God".

>>40680789
Nothing is outside God, including the creation.

>>40657853 (OP)
The Mandeans seem to come from a Jewish-Christian sect which later turned into a John the Baptist focused one
They mention a woman named Miriai as being central to their faith as she and John's mother Elizabeth are heroes
Miriai is the Mandaic version of Miriam, hebrew for Mary, and in one of their texts she is called the "Mother of the Messiah", which doesn't make sense as they consider Jesus to be a false prophet

>>40679460
Non-Denominational Christian taking the Eucharist

>>40682193

>>40682193
It’s not the true Eucharist without a Priest to bless it. It is just a Ritual that is similar. The blessing a Christian would put on the bread and wine is not the same as the blessing from a Priest of an Apostolic Church. Regardless, In this ritual the Body and Blood of Christ is still received

>>40682807

>>40682844
With the Eucharist and/or the Non-Denominational Bread and Wine Ritual, we will be resurrected and will have Life John 6:51-58

>>40682835
You don't need any external authority or object to be saved -- not a priest, not a cracker, not a Zinfandel.

All you need is the Word of God in resonance with your heart, soul, and spirit.

It's fair to say that like the prophecy of the bible says the majority of humanity is not getting to Heaven and we are witnessing it in real time.
Seriously, people all over, in and out of the internet, are so evil to each other.
From online influencers to celebrities to the average guy in and out of the internet there are so many with hearts so hardened and despite all the signs, warnings and messages they receive from God Almighty himself they keep doubling down on there sinful acts.
Seriously, now more than ever more and more are being more and more sinful, even these threads that are chill have become more toxic.
Nothing feels real anymore, like all this is falling apart and the world we live in will soon be no more. We are onward to a new world and i know the majority won't survive it.

The old atom symbol (picrel) has been turned into a magic Sigil. When present on the Phone Screen, a fallen angelic being gives the person angelic power/energy. When the Sigil is placed in front of the person when it is on a phone paper while they are facing the wall with the palms of their hands on the wall while meditating, they will also receive angelic energy/power during this ritual. The angels of God don’t participate in these two Sigil rituals. Don’t try to reach out to Michael or your Guardian Angel for power, they won’t supply you with energy. Instead, a nearby fallen angelic being will try to trick you into thinking they are an angel of the Lord.

>>40682918
The Energy from another Humans soul is different from the energy of an angelic being.

>>40682929
This is another form of Magic

Powerful Magicians don’t need the sigils in picrel to trap and control demons. They use their own power. Later on, if they want to share their power, they create new magic sigils for specific purposes, giving the sigils power to move spirits from one location to another, or controlling them to do whatever they want. A new form of Magic created from a powerful magicians own magic power

>>40682952
It would be interesting to see some new sigils but the new stuff is always kept secret for years, decades, or even centuries. The Secret Societies keep the best for themselves

>>40682952
In the Bible, Magic falls into two categories, there is nothing in between:
>Sorcery
>Witchcraft
New Agers are practicing spiritual practices that fall in either of the above categories.

Pharaohs Magicians, given Power by the Gods of Egypt, could only Mimic the Power of God, replicating the plagues and the Staffs that transformed into Serpents.

>>40682952
Powerful Magicians become powerful from Gods, Angels, and Spirits

>>40679564
>>40682193
I love these two pics. Thanks for posting them.

In need a Beginner Catholic Books Chart, Please friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImI4iQkS2CE

>>40684972
Are you a beginner to Catholicism?

>>40684972
FYI, if you keep growing and learning forever, eventually you'll outgrow the sectarianism. The sooner the better. Anyways, read the bible, especially get familiar with the New Testament. then learn about early church history, either natural history or theology of history, preferably a book on each. Try to find something that focuses on the first 300 or 500 years, not too wide in scope. Then read mystical theology by pseudo Dionysus. Then read "the ascent of the soul" by Thomas Merton. It's a VERY good primer on Christian mysticism and yes he's Catholic.
After this, you'll have a solid foundation and probably a clearer idea of where to go next.
Other books of interest: ladder of divine ascent, the cloud of unknowing, the dark night of the soul, the interior castle.

>>40685212
Not really but kinda, I already Pray the entire Rosary, but I know nothing about philosophy, theology, I want a begginers guide to it, Please

>>40685308
Uh, i dunno, maybe start with the Thomist youtube channel?
https://youtube.com/@thomisticinstitute?si=-nQjrAFQgY-1ixaw

>>40660158
>But there is another thing I want to ask how are you so certain your god is correct?
At least one rapture has already occurred. This planet is, in fact, the place that some people from Earth (such as myself) were raptured to. We weren't "taken to Heaven." We were brought here instead. We're now on a real, physical, 3D planet that is definitely NOT Earth.

Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Furthermore, the event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this isn't Earth. Earth is roughly 75,000 light years from here (and is currently going through the Tribulation). This is just an impostor planet.

Make sure to read my pinned X thread (all four posts). And regarding my X bio, I'm exactly who I say I am. Bozrah natives must break free from the spell they've been under. This entire situation has gotten so ridiculous. At this point, I'm just waiting for the day of vengeance.

Pinned X thread:

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1742924942151438589
or
https://bozrah.info

And I'm curious: How long will you keep pretending this is Earth? The time for pretending has long since passed.

Does anyone know where i can find a spiritual guide and dream interpreter?

Be breal with me /x/oterics, is Catholicism really that deprecated nowadays?? I hear the pope and them are basically living for the destruction of the west and life as we know it will be over soon.(if they get their way)

"What’s more, Summerisle’s backstory points to the fact that modern pagan movements are, despite their romantic claim to return to an ancient past, products of a post-Enlightenment worldview. Wicca, for example, was invented in the 1940s by Gerald Gardner, a child of the British Empire who invented his new religion in a typically bourgeois rebellion against Christianity. Even the Wicker Man ritual itself, it turns out, comes not from Celtic tradition but from an eighteenth-century illustration; something Robin Hardy may well have been aware of when creating his ironic masterpiece.

"That neopaganism emerged between the eighteenth and twentieth centuries is not a historical accident. It appeals to modern subjects precisely because it shares many of the same premises as the Enlightenment. It rejects Christianity and traditional morality; claims to be more 'rational', focusing on the immanent world rather than on transcendent ideals; and undermines hierarchy in favour of individual freedom and self-actualisation.

"It is on this basis that the scholar Wouter Hanegraaff claimed that 'alternative' spiritualities 'cannot be characterised as a return to pre-Enlightenment worldviews but … as a qualitatively new syncretism of esoteric and secular elements'. Neopagan criticisms of modern Western culture, he says in his New Age Religion and Western Culture, 'are expressed to a considerable extent on the premises of that same culture'."

- Esmé Partridge

"Both conceptually and historically, paganism turns out to be highly compatible with modern capitalism, arguably more so than Christianity, which with its promotion of the contemplative life and the realisation of things beyond this world, is less conducive to the unleashing of carnal desires that consumer culture encourages and which paganism sacralises.

"Indeed, Max Weber’s account of the Christian basis of capitalism was challenged by sociologist Colin Campbell for this reason. He contends in The Romantic Ethic and the Spirit of Modern Consumerism that it was not Protestantism but rather the romantic turn towards immanence and worldly fulfilment that both inspired the pagan revival and shaped modern consumerism."

- Esmé Partridge

>>40687763
I don't know if it's quite that deep, but the pedophilia seems to have made its way to the highest levels and Francis was a pluralist/globalist.
Theologically I have some issues too but that's another can

>>40657853 (OP)
>Christian esotericism
>Gets mad when talking about goetia
Wew lad

>>40684972
>>40685308
I don't have a chart nor the skill to make one in short time but I'll give you my 2 cents.
For the Bible we have the Douay‐Rheims and Knox
https://catholicbible.online/douay_rheims/OT
https://catholicbible.online/knox/OT
For general doubts on Catholicism look in a Catechism.
The Didache was written in the early times as a general guide for christians.
If you're familiar with the Christian Era of the Roman Empire I would tell you to read Agustine's Confession and Boethius Consolation of Philosophy. You can look on any case of people converting in modern times too.
After this it really depends on the theological school, monk family and catholic movements you get to like. There is diversity of these in the Church, don't let others press you.
The Imitation of Christ is a popular book, fruit of the Devotio Moderna movement.

On the modern state of Catholic liturgy, Evelyn Waugh wrote near his death. I would bet Tolkien did too.
https://catholicinsight.com/2021/03/20/evelyn-waughs-bitter-trial/

>>40660158

There is no such thing as "white magic"

All magic is black, there are only black magicians who don't understand that and those that do. Which is why the black magician who embraces his path honestly will always best the confused black magician who thinks he is doing white magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MGWiJlLURg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOyLSIIacP0

>>40687763
Thanks to God Francis is dead now and replaced by an augustinian who is about to make changes on high ranking personal

>>40688193
you are being rejected as fair weather scumbags who have bowed to the world and thrown your sheep to the wolves at every turn.
what principles has the christian yet to forsake what gate have you yet to throw open for the enemies of your people as readily as the jews betrayed spain to the moors
the greatest pioneers of the pagan movements have been white separatists seeking safety from the foreign mercenaries of tyrants you have oh so readily complied with

>>40693742
Fascinating. Please tell me more.

Guys. I had longing for something indescribable and it pained my heart for years. Now today I have accepted Jesus into my heart. I feel this sweetness and bliss inside of me. I tried meditation for so long and never got happy. Finally I see. It was this the whole time. Jesus.

I'm currently disabilitybux+ NEET, I do all normal catholic obligations, sunday mass, etc , but I have the possibility (I haven't done it yet) of attending a daily mass, even more than one daily mass.
What's the barrier between genuine love( for mass) and "spiritual gluttony"? -because since i live in city with many churches, and public transport is free, sometimes i speculate how MANY masses I could attend in a day..reducing it to a silly adventure race game

>>40695876
Ohh I don't feel good about this I'm out. Post recanted and relinquished.

I remember one of the first steps I took towards Christian esotericism was to stop identifying Jesus with the man in the images.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uACVj9mTks

>>40696421
And what do you identify him with now?
>>40696522
Mr.Martin please don't take the gnosticpill

>>40696713
>And what do you identify him with now?
His character and attributes as described in the bible. Not physical appearance

https://n1.kemono.su/data/64/c8/64c8fecac738e691ea61f7f90900e3c9c96031ef13e7fd43944f1050d598a715.mp3?f=Premium+37+-+Holy+Rollers.mp3

https://dc.swosu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2169&context=mythlore

>>40696023

If you have to ask you already know the answer. I would suggest, rather than attending daily mass, which from your post, seems like it might be feeding a seed of vanity, why not volunteer somewhere doing something to help someone less fortunate out? It'll get you out and interacting with people which is good, and you'll learn something from them for sure. Attending Mass is great if you genuinely love it. Maybe see if you can help out at your favourite Church? Remember though, the teachings of Christ are not only meant to be listened to, but applied in life. Very few are called to the true monastic life.

>>40657853 (OP)
In the end Gnosticism originates from Christianity and is dependant on it
The first Gnostic Simon Magus claimed to be the Messiah and told his followers that when he descended to earth, in the heaven of the Principalities he took the likenes of them, in the heaven of the Powers he took the likenes of them, and finally in our world he took our likenes, that of Man
That's dependant on Christian traditions from the 1st-2nd Centuries, Iraneus who tells us about Simon also believed that when Jesus descended the heavens he was "filled" by each one, and Papias of Hierapolis believed that when he descended the heavens he'd take the likeness of the Angels one by one, just like the Simonians with Simon
That's also why Gnostics are both anti-Jewish but depend on Jewish traditions, Gnosticism as a Christian heresy would mean that they got those traditions from being Christian while at the same time being critical of those same Jewish texts in comparison to Christian ones

>>40657853 (OP)
Can we add some resources on Satanism to the OP next thread?

>>40701080
Islamic texts?

>>40700984
Simon magus is usually considered to have been from the 1st century, so it seems weird to suggest that his ideas would be dependent on 2nd century Christianity. The Clementine Homilies even have it that Simon was the favorite disciple of John the Baptist.
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers/Volume_VIII/Pseudo-Clementine_Literature/The_Clementine_Homilies/Homily_II/Chapter_23

Interestingly, the Clementine Homilies also seem to have it that Peter thought the scriptures included several falsehoods misrepresenting God's character, while apparently Simon used the same scriptures to say that the Jewish God wasn't so great.

>>40701320
Previously I though the discrepancy between Numbers 21:5-6 and Matthew 7:9-11 (and similarly in Luke 11:11-13) could only have come from Gnostic influence, but now it seems like it could've come from the anti-Gnostic side too, which would explain its presence in Matthew.

>>40657853 (OP)
my mom always tells me of Orthodox Christian super monks back in the day that helped imperial Russia fight in battles, was it true?

>>40701140
The traditions of Iraneus and Papias originate from Apostolic Oral Tradition, so they're from the (late) first Century, and since Acts which is written in the 60s doesn't mention Simon's beliefs besides claiming to be a Great Power, the Simonian traditiona of him and his Ennoia Helena are probably from the 70s onwards, at the same time as the Christian traditions
>>40701320
The Homilies are most likely Ebionite or some Ebionite Adjacent Jewish Christian redactions of an earlier Clementine text, the Recognitions Rufinus preserved are more authentic, though scholars say both are dependant on an older source

>>40701320
The business with Peter and his group intending to draw Simon into a verbal trap and being unable to say what they really think because they're afraid of offending the unlearned multitudes—its sounds very similar to Jesus' opponents' interactions with him, like in Mark 11:27-3 and Mark 12:13-17.

>>40701537
Something interesting about the Clementina is the belief in Syzygies mentioned in them, that only reoccurs in Valentinianism, but in the Clementina it seems to be linked to Qumran beliefs, you know, light and darkness, angels and devils, pairs of opposites